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| 05:04.26 | TTimo | hey hey .. |
| 05:04.44 | TTimo | anyone know if there is support in the linux kernel for the wireless features of Apple's iBook G4 line ? |
| 05:05.23 | chrisa | Not for the Airport Extreme |
| 05:06.05 | TTimo | what's so Extreme about Airport Extreme though |
| 05:06.15 | TTimo | can I do 802.11b ? |
| 05:07.24 | TTimo | anyone running linux on an ibook here? with working wireless and software suspend? I guess that's all I'd need |
| 05:10.47 | TTimo | no answer. I guess that's not looking good |
| 05:16.46 | JimButton | i am |
| 05:17.03 | JimButton | but it is an older ibook with the old airport card, not airport extreme |
| 05:17.45 | JimButton | a G3 dual usb |
| 05:18.19 | TTimo | so the extreme one doesn't work at all. and the regular older airport one does |
| 05:18.20 | TTimo | ok |
| 05:18.25 | TTimo | mh I'll have to look |
| 05:18.36 | TTimo | was gonna buy my boss's ibook |
| 05:18.58 | TTimo | but if I can't get good wireless I might not bother .. can get an external antenna though |
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| 05:49.59 | chrisa | My ibook g4 works fine in linux with sleep and usb wireless |
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| 05:54.03 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here own a mini mac or whatever? |
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| 06:06.27 | SimonRaven | @tell TwistedEmotions -about ask |
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| 06:07.08 | TwistedEmotions | SimonRaven: I just want to know how it's performs and all that. |
| 06:07.40 | TwistedEmotions | SimonRaven: And I'm not new to debian ;) #debian !tell TwistedEmotions about ask |
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| 06:15.39 | ircleuser | hey, trying to get debian for powerpc running on a powerbook 3400; booted woody installer from bootx and ran it fine, it installed quik as the bootloader and when i restarted the computer it gave a blank screen. i followed recommendations online and zapped the pram, but now the only thing that happens when i boot is it shows an icon of a floppy disk with a question mark. any ideas, to all? |
| 06:21.53 | ircleuser | heading out but staying on the channel til morning; if anyone's done anything similar would appreciate the input, thanks a lot |
| 07:24.50 | SimonRaven | set the boot-device etc. properly |
| 07:29.33 | SimonRaven | here til morning, eh? |
| 07:29.55 | SimonRaven | morning wasn't very long ;) |
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| 07:50.28 | Diab1o | any ibm 7248 guru here? |
| 07:51.06 | SimonRaven | try #mklinux. and don't ask for a guru, just go ahead and ask the question |
| 07:52.10 | Diab1o | i have 4 7248-133 PPC which all failed to install debian |
| 07:53.47 | SimonRaven | did you read the install guide? maybe it isn't supported. do they have a pci or mca bus? |
| 07:54.51 | Diab1o | they isa/pci |
| 07:54.57 | Diab1o | sorry tel rang |
| 07:55.18 | Diab1o | yes i have read the install guid they all hang with a scsi bus error |
| 07:55.38 | Diab1o | they all been flashed to latest firmware |
| 07:55.56 | Diab1o | all configured using the latest sms |
| 07:56.00 | SimonRaven | what's the scsi chip? |
| 07:56.10 | Diab1o | i believe is NCR |
| 07:56.20 | SimonRaven | ncr what? :) |
| 07:56.38 | Diab1o | good question |
| 07:56.44 | SimonRaven | oh and where does it crash? |
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| 07:56.55 | SimonRaven | what are you doing when it happens? |
| 07:57.20 | Diab1o | it crash during Kernal load |
| 07:57.34 | Diab1o | i ahve tried sarge , woody, potato sofar |
| 07:57.37 | Diab1o | have |
| 07:57.40 | SimonRaven | 'kernel'. kernal is for amigas |
| 07:57.51 | Diab1o | lol |
| 07:57.53 | Diab1o | sorry |
| 07:57.56 | Diab1o | i meant kernel |
| 07:59.55 | Diab1o | it seems to me as if the kernel is looking for scsi id0 for the boot device |
| 08:00.06 | Diab1o | ibm always used scsi id6 |
| 08:00.52 | SimonRaven | hmm, sounds like a driver bug, and probably installer bug. |
| 08:01.10 | SimonRaven | you'll be able to talk with the d-i devs at #debian-boot |
| 08:03.05 | Diab1o | am about to try mandrake 9.1 |
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| 08:03.19 | Diab1o | i will take note of the ncr |
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| 08:20.12 | SimonRaven | i doubt it'll work any better. they have worse ppc support |
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| 08:24.53 | Diab1o | yeah |
| 08:25.09 | Diab1o | the cd is not bootable :-( |
| 08:28.15 | SimonRaven | yeh, there's that too. however there's some good developments concerning miboot, so we might be able to use it with some code editing |
| 08:28.35 | SimonRaven | hence making cds bootable for oldworld and similar machines |
| 08:28.45 | SimonRaven | which would rock my world ;) |
| 08:28.57 | Diab1o | and mine too :-) |
| 08:29.14 | Diab1o | i collect PS/2 MCA based machines |
| 08:29.49 | SimonRaven | yeh, those won't run on linux though |
| 08:30.06 | Diab1o | some do |
| 08:30.09 | Diab1o | nicely |
| 08:30.13 | Diab1o | with debian |
| 08:30.25 | SimonRaven | mca+ppc+linux? |
| 08:30.32 | Diab1o | i have a model 9577i runing sarge |
| 08:30.44 | SimonRaven | oh, so thee's been some changes... cool |
| 08:30.46 | Diab1o | is mca based |
| 08:31.02 | SimonRaven | ok, /me makes a note |
| 08:32.12 | Diab1o | some hard coders in comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware working on MCA distro :-) |
| 08:32.36 | pahartik | Diab1o: what kind of kernel did you use for installing? |
| 08:33.38 | SimonRaven | coolness |
| 08:34.23 | Diab1o | i just grabbed an iso for PPC |
| 08:34.40 | Diab1o | i asume is 2.4 based?? |
| 08:34.52 | SimonRaven | sarge? |
| 08:35.12 | SimonRaven | (stable) |
| 08:35.46 | SimonRaven | sarge is 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 08:36.19 | Diab1o | yeah stable |
| 08:36.23 | Diab1o | i think is 2.4 |
| 08:37.08 | Diab1o | simonraven>/www.dgmicro.com/mca/default.htm |
| 08:38.32 | SimonRaven | that page is ancient history |
| 08:39.57 | Diab1o | i am looking for the latest |
| 08:44.02 | SimonRaven | NuBus: hey |
| 08:48.04 | NuBus | heyho |
| 08:48.29 | SimonRaven | aren't they painful no matter what you do to them? ;) |
| 08:48.49 | NuBus | probably :) |
| 08:49.31 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 08:53.54 | NuBus | I'm not even sure what I'm doing at the moment :). |
| 08:54.28 | SimonRaven | you will by the time you're done ;) |
| 08:54.41 | NuBus | true |
| 08:55.03 | NuBus | it's running woody atm - unfortunately the 2.4.18 kernel with deb kernel panics after 5 minutes |
| 08:55.10 | NuBus | so I've been using ppckernel.org ones |
| 08:55.24 | NuBus | unfortunately there's no working 8129 realtek driver in with those |
| 08:55.38 | NuBus | and I'm going to upgrade the thing to sarge anyway this weekend |
| 08:55.46 | NuBus | <- messing about just to cause myself pain, I think |
| 08:56.20 | SimonRaven | must be a masochist :P |
| 08:56.54 | NuBus | I think so |
| 08:57.45 | NuBus | if I don't use debian kernels, and ppckernel.org ones aren't complete enough - are there other places to get working ones? |
| 08:58.03 | SimonRaven | build it yourself? |
| 08:59.09 | NuBus | apart from that too (though I think that's going to be the direction I go) |
| 08:59.20 | NuBus | no. maybe not. sarge might be happy. |
| 08:59.27 | NuBus | yes. I shall rely on sarge. tra la laa |
| 08:59.38 | NuBus | (don't mind the thinking out loud :) |
| 09:00.41 | SimonRaven | np. i do it IRL ;) |
| 09:06.07 | NuBus | I think I shall leave this for now and attack it saturday. g'nite for now |
| 09:10.15 | SimonRaven | 'night |
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| 14:24.56 | Bor_Ed | http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/mercury/970eval.shtml |
| 14:25.34 | SimonRaven | g'morning Bor_Ed |
| 14:25.38 | Bor_Ed | I wonder how much terrasoft asks from the board |
| 14:25.41 | Bor_Ed | howdee |
| 14:27.16 | SimonRaven | wow |
| 14:27.53 | Bor_Ed | pretty much what I had in mind too after reading /. link to terrasoft supporting new ppc gear after apple dumped ppc :D |
| 14:28.15 | SimonRaven | hehe ;) |
| 14:28.36 | Bor_Ed | still, the ibm board has pretty impressive feature set |
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| 14:29.04 | Bor_Ed | http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/mercury/xr9.shtml ain't bad either |
| 14:31.03 | SimonRaven | yeh that's nice too |
| 14:31.23 | Bor_Ed | prices are hidden though which is a shame |
| 14:32.25 | Bor_Ed | whoops, ibm dual 970fx blade $2700+ :D |
| 14:32.35 | SimonRaven | "We do not accept personal international orders. International orders will only be accepted from corporations or educational institutions." |
| 14:32.41 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 14:33.02 | jaska | they suck |
| 14:33.15 | SimonRaven | $6185.00 + Shipping |
| 14:33.21 | SimonRaven | eval kit |
| 14:33.26 | Bor_Ed | I wonder if mercury would sell to individuals |
| 14:34.03 | Bor_Ed | http://www.mc.com/ first to find wins some kudos |
| 14:34.05 | jaska | hmm, i wonder how different the hw is, .. i mean, will debian install on one easily |
| 14:34.16 | jaska | i doubt anyone wants yellow pee linux |
| 14:34.24 | Bor_Ed | it's chrp or prep... after all it's power.org partner |
| 14:34.32 | jaska | ah yes. |
| 14:34.51 | jaska | oh well, im unemployed now, not going to buy anything in a long time |
| 14:35.22 | Bor_Ed | I'm low paid employed, not going to buy anything big before I get static contract |
| 14:35.37 | jaska | had to move outta hell-sink-i |
| 14:35.43 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 14:35.47 | Bor_Ed | wise decision :) |
| 14:36.13 | jaska | shame there aint any work where i am now |
| 14:36.19 | Bor_Ed | you live in vantaa west end now ? :) |
| 14:37.03 | jaska | hahaha, no, alahärmä (bout 70km east of vaasa) |
| 14:37.09 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 14:37.25 | Bor_Ed | ppl come to work here from vöyri etc... you're still on this working area |
| 14:37.37 | jaska | well, not officially in vaasa working area |
| 14:37.43 | jaska | not much there either tho |
| 14:37.48 | SimonRaven | http://www.mc.com/products/view/index.cfm?id=22&type=systems |
| 14:37.52 | Bor_Ed | j-joki then |
| 14:38.08 | Bor_Ed | s-joki even |
| 14:38.15 | jaska | s-joki has even less :) |
| 14:38.23 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: and price |
| 14:40.57 | SimonRaven | not easy to find |
| 14:41.10 | Bor_Ed | noticed |
| 14:41.16 | Bor_Ed | jaska: come to vacon :D |
| 14:41.36 | jaska | heh, doubt they do anything im good at |
| 14:42.24 | Bor_Ed | we have it staff from inhouse ppl, sales, after sales, marketing, design and labour... pick any |
| 14:43.04 | jaska | sales? no, marketing? no, labour? hell no, design? probably not qualified. it staff? probably use systems i refuse to use :) |
| 14:43.22 | SimonRaven | why do these places always make the stupid price hidden? .... |
| 14:43.55 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: because of if you really want to know, you're ready to pay some dineros :/ |
| 14:44.18 | SimonRaven | yeh... i know.. it's bullshit anyway ;) |
| 14:44.26 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 14:44.33 | jaska | so that pretty much rules out vacon :) |
| 14:44.55 | Bor_Ed | genesi finally tells the prices... still waiting for mai to do the same trick |
| 14:44.58 | Bor_Ed | jaska: bleh |
| 14:45.21 | jaska | bleh bleh? |
| 14:46.18 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 14:46.23 | jaska | bleh why? |
| 14:46.26 | Bor_Ed | nada |
| 14:46.31 | jaska | just stating the truth. |
| 14:46.49 | Bor_Ed | yea... what is yer expertise ? |
| 14:47.10 | jaska | uhh, a few years of unix admin work, a few more years of c/ruby on linux |
| 14:47.43 | jaska | (also doubled as an admin when the 'real' admin didnt know how to do things) |
| 14:47.45 | Bor_Ed | it staff admins linux/unix/winhoser/WCe |
| 14:48.36 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: what do ya think about http://www.mc.com/products/view/index.cfm?id=57&type=boards ? :) |
| 14:55.18 | ix^ | are sonnetech prosessors suported? |
| 14:55.24 | ix^ | i tested this install cd, that refused to boot my quicksilver, in another computer and it worked. so thats not the problem |
| 14:55.43 | Bor_Ed | sonnet upgrade coys should work as apple original cpus |
| 14:56.16 | ix^ | so what then could be wrong? |
| 14:56.51 | ix^ | yaboot is not loading |
| 14:56.51 | Bor_Ed | check from sonnet site if there's some compability issues |
| 14:57.18 | ix^ | like they care |
| 14:57.44 | Bor_Ed | mockos compability should be pretty same as linux... so if mockos install requires some trickery, same goes for linux |
| 14:59.05 | ix^ | nothing i think of... |
| 15:03.01 | ix^ | these cards need firmware patch to work |
| 15:03.27 | ix^ | bought this komp used so dont know much of this |
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| 15:23.55 | ix^ | done some reading. my firmware is messed up whit sum sonnetecs shit so thats why yaboot is not loading |
| 15:28.24 | ix^ | what version comes whit the.. |
| 15:28.28 | ix^ | sarge |
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| 15:48.05 | ix^ | hmm seems that my firmware is only out of date |
| 15:48.45 | ix^ | and the this computers last owner didnt update it to mach this card |
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| 18:03.24 | _StarScream | hi, I have an ibook g3 800. I was wondering how i can change the key used for the right mouse button? |
| 18:03.47 | Bor_Ed | @3 buttons |
| 18:03.48 | ravenbird | sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button_emulation=1, and dev.mac_hid.mouse_buttonY_keycode=XX -- where XX is a number you get from showkey (in console only), the key you want, and Y is 2 or 3. however, you'll lose functionality of the selected keys for any other use, or to make the change permanent, add the entries to /etc/sysctl.conf - man sysctl.conf, and you can ... |
| 18:03.58 | Bor_Ed | ^^ like that |
| 18:04.03 | _StarScream | cool, thanks :) |
| 18:04.06 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 18:05.54 | _StarScream | am@memphis:~$ showkey --keycode |
| 18:05.54 | _StarScream | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 18:07.23 | _StarScream | ah. n/m |
| 18:07.35 | _StarScream | cosole != konsole :) |
| 18:07.40 | Bor_Ed | correct |
| 18:09.34 | _StarScream | Bor_Ed: ok, in /etc/sysctl.conf my current keycode is 87, but the one i got from showkey was 0x60 0xe0 |
| 18:09.55 | Bor_Ed | you can use the 0x60 in its place |
| 18:10.09 | Bor_Ed | sysctl can decrypt hex codes |
| 18:17.12 | _StarScream | ah awesome :P thanks guys |
| 18:20.41 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 18:36.01 | rajesh | well, hello. |
| 18:37.15 | rajesh | i have sarge installed on my powerbook. and the next step is to get the wireless working, which is a broadcom 4306b/g |
| 18:37.33 | rajesh | anyone with similar hardware and have it working successfully? |
| 18:37.54 | Bor_Ed | if that's airport extreme, no go |
| 18:40.16 | rajesh | ok, that's my confusion |
| 18:40.22 | rajesh | lspci says bcm4306 |
| 18:40.31 | rajesh | and i used to think airport extreme was some other chipset |
| 18:40.33 | Bor_Ed | that's the chip iirc |
| 18:41.01 | rajesh | isn't there a module in the 2.6 for airport extremes? |
| 18:41.12 | rajesh | but anyway, it's not the same as the bcm4306, iirc |
| 18:41.38 | _StarScream | rajesh: not the extreme i don't think |
| 18:41.46 | Bor_Ed | there is a project going on to reverse-engineer the driver at sf.net... a sec |
| 18:41.55 | rajesh | _StarScream: yup, that's my understanding too. |
| 18:42.03 | rajesh | ndiswrappers won't work |
| 18:42.09 | rajesh | cos they're for x86 and not the ppc |
| 18:42.34 | _StarScream | can the g3 ibooks sleep yet? |
| 18:42.37 | Bor_Ed | http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=broadcom&imageField.x=0&imageField.y=0 |
| 18:42.42 | Bor_Ed | maybe one of those ... |
| 18:43.11 | rajesh | _StarScream: i just built a kernel today, and havent looked at that yet. |
| 18:43.17 | rajesh | wireless is more imp for me. |
| 18:43.18 | rajesh | :) |
| 18:43.24 | rajesh | thanks Bor_Ed , ill see. |
| 18:44.13 | Bor_Ed | though most of the ppl with g4 *books here have got some usb wlan adapter, d-link dw110 something or similar |
| 18:44.22 | rajesh | nope Bor_Ed , that page doesnt have it. |
| 18:44.33 | rajesh | well, i wanted to use the in-built |
| 18:44.41 | rajesh | i have a prism54 card, but ... |
| 18:44.46 | rajesh | you know what i mean. |
| 18:44.47 | rajesh | :) |
| 18:44.56 | rajesh | if nothing else works, i guess that's what i'll do. |
| 18:45.30 | Bor_Ed | broadcom really isn't helping F/OSS community |
| 18:47.07 | rajesh | no. |
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| 20:20.41 | lnxmatt | I just installed Debian 3.1 on a Powerbook G4 667 (non-DVI). All went well, 2.6.8 kernel, alsa, XFree4.3, DRI accelleration, etc. |
| 20:20.53 | lnxmatt | However I can't get temperature or cpu/mem readings from it. |
| 20:21.19 | lnxmatt | Anybody have any suggestions? |
| 20:22.11 | lnxmatt | I can get power readings with a dockapp that supports pmud and wireless information works as well just no cpu/mem (load) or temp. |
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| 20:28.12 | rajesh | wait |
| 20:28.15 | rajesh | did you say wireless |
| 20:28.25 | rajesh | debian on a powerbook, you say? |
| 20:29.42 | SimonRaven | lnxmatt: apmemu maybe, and apmd, plus data from /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:30.01 | lnxmatt | well /proc/cpuinfo has no temperature information |
| 20:30.23 | demon | probably the CPU just doesn't have a TAU |
| 20:30.27 | lnxmatt | yeah |
| 20:30.37 | SimonRaven | it doesn't. oh, probably not enabled or something |
| 20:30.52 | demon | it's enabled in the stock kernels... works with my pismo |
| 20:30.56 | SimonRaven | temperature : 30-32 C (uncalibrated) |
| 20:30.57 | lnxmatt | Is there a way for me to get the temperature at all on this? It us running really hot under heavy load. |
| 20:31.00 | lnxmatt | yeah |
| 20:31.14 | SimonRaven | g3 daughtercard |
| 20:31.24 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 20:31.48 | lnxmatt | I'm running the stock 2.6.8 kernel. I checked the config out an TAU is enabled. |
| 20:31.55 | lnxmatt | TAU support. |
| 20:31.59 | lnxmatt | So it must not have one. |
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| 20:33.39 | lnxmatt | I just closed the lid and put it to sleep to cool down for a while. I'm bunzipping a 5GB file. |
| 20:33.55 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 20:33.56 | lnxmatt | lol |
| 20:34.23 | lnxmatt | Whats the best route as far as thermal managemnet goes on the older Powerbook G4s? |
| 20:34.34 | lnxmatt | pmud, sleep, battery monitoring, etc all work. |
| 20:34.41 | lnxmatt | Its actually really nice. |
| 20:34.52 | lnxmatt | I just don't want it to burn up...lol |
| 20:35.56 | sloopy | get out some bread and make some toast... i'll take mine with butter ;') |
| 20:36.06 | lnxmatt | hehe |
| 20:36.14 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 20:36.43 | lnxmatt | General usage is okay. But when you have it pegged at 96% cpu usage for an hour it gets really hot. lol |
| 20:37.00 | sloopy | me and my big mouth, my son just came over saying eat, eat, daddy eat... :'/ |
| 20:37.05 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 20:37.09 | lnxmatt | lol |
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| 20:43.53 | pahartik | lnxmatt: "lol" is probably not very efficient for keeping it cool, but does your "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" have "CONFIG_THERM_ADT746X" enabled? |
| 20:44.17 | lnxmatt | let me check |
| 20:44.46 | lnxmatt | as a module |
| 20:45.34 | lnxmatt | when I do modprobe therm_adt746x it comes back and says: no such device. |
| 20:47.19 | pahartik | lnxmatt: it is "Driver for ADT746x thermostat in iBook G4 and Powerbook G4 Alu" |
| 20:47.40 | lnxmatt | this is a powerbook g4 667 (non-DVI) that would be why. |
| 20:50.09 | pahartik | lnxmatt: other "therm" drivers are for desktop devices... |
| 20:50.14 | lnxmatt | yeah |
| 20:50.36 | lnxmatt | I still can't figure out why the cpu, mem, and swap usage aren't showing up in my dockapp monitors. |
| 20:50.46 | lnxmatt | If I run top, the statistics are there. |
| 20:51.39 | lnxmatt | hard drive activity shows up. |
| 20:51.48 | lnxmatt | cpu and mem don't |
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| 21:03.16 | rajesh | ok, so once more: anyone successful in getting the wireless going on the powerbook? |
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| 21:06.25 | mgzh | no rajesh, unfortunately not... |
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| 21:27.37 | rajesh | k mgzh |
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