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| 08:27.08 | _daniel | i have problems compiling appletouch module |
| 08:33.42 | johill | seriously? what? |
| 08:52.07 | _daniel | it shows a lot of errors |
| 08:52.39 | _daniel | i think i'm not doing it well, i don't know how to compile kernel drivers |
| 08:53.40 | johill | go to pastebin.com and paste the errors |
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| 08:58.59 | _daniel | ok it's in http://pastebin.com/346670 |
| 08:59.11 | _daniel | it's only the beggining, because it's very long |
| 08:59.18 | _daniel | full of similar errors |
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| 09:02.48 | johill | doh |
| 09:02.56 | johill | linux/autoconf.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 09:03.10 | johill | you're using a debian kernel, and don't have the build stuff installed |
| 09:03.26 | _daniel | which build stuff? |
| 09:03.48 | johill | the correct kernel-build-* package |
| 09:03.59 | _daniel | ok, i'll install it |
| 09:04.18 | _daniel | see, i was doing something wrong |
| 09:06.55 | _daniel | ok, compiled fine, let's test it |
| 09:08.13 | _daniel | ok, great |
| 09:08.27 | _daniel | i had to change one line, because it's for a new ibook |
| 09:08.34 | _daniel | and the device id is different |
| 09:08.48 | _daniel | where should i inform of this? |
| 09:08.52 | johill | me ;) |
| 09:09.15 | johill | is it 0x030B? |
| 09:09.23 | _daniel | yes |
| 09:09.34 | _daniel | it's ibook's trackpad id |
| 09:09.40 | johill | :) someone already submitted a patch to the debian-powerpc list |
| 09:09.49 | _daniel | ok, fine then |
| 09:18.36 | _daniel | thanks and bye |
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| 10:10.02 | aladds | hello |
| 10:16.19 | aladds | my HD wont mount right for formatting |
| 10:16.56 | aladds | i get it from the mac os 7.5.2 cd, the 9 cd sometimes (but it disappears during install) and the 8.0 cd seems to hang just before mounting it |
| 10:17.12 | aladds | i managed to partition it, but all system installs fail |
| 10:17.20 | aladds | so far |
| 10:17.34 | aladds | i'm trying to get woody onto it |
| 10:17.38 | aladds | eventually |
| 10:17.58 | aladds | it's finally nmounted with 8.0, i might be ok |
| 10:18.57 | aladds | it's a 68pin scsi drive, 9.1GB |
| 10:19.04 | aladds | with a 68pin pci card |
| 10:26.57 | aladds | aaah! i've lost my debian cd |
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| 11:08.39 | _daniel | hello again |
| 11:09.24 | _daniel | i'm having trouble with using a touchpad with synaptics |
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| 11:26.23 | tezra | can anyone please explain me how do I use this boot images for my powerpc -> ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian-cd/current/powerpc/other/power3/cdrom/ <-- with the powerpc cd? |
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| 11:28.21 | Bor_Ed | depends on the powerpc... that image is meant for ibm rs6000 (pseries) POWER3 boxes |
| 11:28.30 | _daniel | i'm having trouble with using a touchpad with synaptics |
| 11:30.25 | tezra | Bor_Ed, yes,precisely what i have.. does it mean that the ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian-cd/current/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-powerpc-businesscard.iso does not have the kernel I need to boot from cd in that hardware? |
| 11:31.43 | tezra | Bor_Ed, did you read my last message? this irc client tells me im being flooded or something and I dont know if It got through |
| 11:31.51 | Bor_Ed | you should be able to boot wht the first mentioned image too... tried to boot with the key in servie position yet to be ablke to select boot medium ? |
| 11:32.36 | tezra | Bor_Ed I tried from sms witht he full blown powerpc cd1 but sms says no operative systems installed when trying to use the option "install from" |
| 11:33.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, iirc, some rs6ks required special partition with kernel in to be able to boot linux |
| 11:33.39 | Bor_Ed | not 100% sure though |
| 11:34.26 | tezra | it is an rs/6000 7044 model 270 |
| 11:35.19 | tezra | what i was trying to figure how to do it is.. using the ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian-cd/current/powerpc/other/power3/cdrom/ image files and place them in a bootable cd and the rest of the debian cd1 |
| 11:37.42 | Bor_Ed | have you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install yet ? |
| 11:37.55 | tezra | let me check |
| 11:38.10 | Bor_Ed | it has some words about power3 and 7044/270 |
| 11:38.26 | tezra | oh yes |
| 11:38.41 | tezra | im on this place exactly -> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch04s02.html <-- but it doesnt say much more than this |
| 11:40.02 | Bor_Ed | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/07/msg00858.html looks like a place to start |
| 11:40.08 | tezra | I follow the link, and select power3 and I know thats a kernel and an initrd.. but im a bit confused if that will be enough to boot and then install using the cd1 of the powerpc arch |
| 11:41.08 | Bor_Ed | powerpc binaries are 32 bit ones... I doubt they'll work for install |
| 11:41.54 | tezra | ohh |
| 11:42.00 | tezra | and what do I use? |
| 11:42.11 | Bor_Ed | power3 binaries |
| 11:42.29 | tezra | umm.. didnt recall seeing that anywhere |
| 11:43.21 | Bor_Ed | or powerpc... there doesn't seem to be power3 packages |
| 11:44.09 | Bor_Ed | anyway, the howto I dropped a link to might help you |
| 11:44.17 | tezra | im on it |
| 11:45.30 | jaska_ | hrmph, probably still nothing on my poor e20 |
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| 11:48.53 | tezra | there seems not to be such thing as power3 binaries but just a power3 installer |
| 11:49.01 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 11:49.23 | tezra | so i guess standard powerpc binaries will have to work |
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| 11:49.30 | Bor_Ed | pretty much |
| 11:51.20 | tezra | :) |
| 11:51.34 | _daniel | i can't hear no sound from my ibook |
| 11:52.51 | pahartik | _daniel: what kind of sound? |
| 11:54.03 | tezra | bbl |
| 11:55.03 | _daniel | sound from the soundcard |
| 11:55.25 | _daniel | i play an ogg with ogg123 and it doesn't sound |
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| 11:55.32 | _daniel | as if it was muted |
| 11:56.36 | SimonRaven | lemme guess, alsa. and it's set to its defaults, or acting as if it is. |
| 11:57.25 | _daniel | yes, its alsa, but in alsamixer it is at 100% volume |
| 11:58.58 | SimonRaven | is a) set to mute (press m) b) any oter ones muted? should see a 'MM' at the bottom |
| 12:00.47 | _daniel | when I exit alsamixer, headphones goes back to MM |
| 12:00.51 | _daniel | does it matter? |
| 12:02.38 | SimonRaven | well, it shouldn't, unless you unmuted something. fyi, when you mute auto mute, it turns headphone detection off |
| 12:04.12 | _daniel | auto mute has to be muted or not? |
| 12:04.45 | SimonRaven | up to you |
| 12:04.46 | jaska | hrrm, i wonder where my nick goes time to time |
| 12:05.04 | SimonRaven | takes a walk off a short packet ;p |
| 12:05.09 | jaska | heh |
| 12:05.18 | _daniel | what does it do? |
| 12:05.28 | jaska | a long walk |
| 12:05.42 | SimonRaven | yeh, long walk =) |
| 12:06.17 | SimonRaven | it just turns the other on / off |
| 12:06.42 | SimonRaven | and disables auto-mute. obviously =) |
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| 12:35.47 | _daniel | i can only hear ibook's sound from external speakers |
| 12:36.58 | SimonRaven | well, headphone detect i think works on those. |
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| 12:39.25 | _daniel | when i plug speakers in the jack, they sound |
| 12:39.34 | _daniel | but internal speakers never work |
| 12:43.32 | _daniel | also, external speakers work even if sound is muted |
| 12:43.58 | SimonRaven | they internal speakers aren't supposed to sound if there's something in the outlet jack |
| 12:44.02 | SimonRaven | the* |
| 12:44.28 | SimonRaven | the latter "also, external speakers work even if sound is muted" is the unusual bit |
| 12:45.24 | _daniel | it's a brand new ibook |
| 12:45.33 | _daniel | maybe some hardware is different |
| 12:45.42 | pahartik | _daniel: one can turn off "Auto Mute" and then toggle "PC Speaker" and "Headphone" separately |
| 12:46.21 | SimonRaven | yeh. that'll get around it |
| 12:48.02 | johill | do you have a drc setting? |
| 12:48.09 | _daniel | i have no "headphone", i have "headphone detection" |
| 12:48.12 | johill | the new powerbook has that, turn it off |
| 12:48.20 | _daniel | what is drc? |
| 12:48.33 | johill | dynamic range correction |
| 12:48.35 | johill | or turn the range up |
| 12:48.47 | _daniel | i don't know |
| 12:48.49 | johill | you'll only see it in alsamixer or gnome-alsamixer |
| 12:49.13 | _daniel | i have heaphone detection off and auto mute off |
| 12:49.28 | _daniel | an alsamixer doesn't say anything about drc |
| 12:49.38 | johill | ok |
| 12:49.45 | _daniel | pc speaker and master are at 100% |
| 12:49.48 | johill | then it's different to the powerbook one |
| 12:50.09 | johill | I can turn pcm to about 70% only, otherwise it's totally crappy |
| 12:50.14 | _daniel | the card shows as powermac awacs |
| 12:50.26 | johill | ok, mine's a snapper |
| 12:50.28 | johill | so never mind :) |
| 12:50.31 | _daniel | wait! i have no pcm control |
| 12:50.35 | _daniel | should i? |
| 12:50.42 | johill | dunno, on an awacs |
| 12:51.16 | _daniel | i only have master, headphone detection, mic boost, pc speaker, auto mute and beep |
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| 12:53.59 | _daniel | if i turn on auto mute, then master goes mute |
| 12:54.22 | johill | ok. no idea then, sorry. |
| 12:57.19 | _daniel | maybe the mixer doesn't work well, as in the mac mini |
| 12:58.18 | _daniel | it seems that mac mini has also awacs |
| 12:58.36 | _daniel | which card has old ibook? |
| 12:59.36 | pahartik | _daniel: define "old ibook" |
| 13:02.14 | _daniel | pahartik, my ibook is brand new and has for example an usb trackpad instead of adb |
| 13:02.37 | _daniel | so i had to download the drivers for powerbook trackpad |
| 13:03.00 | _daniel | old ibook is one of 256mb ram, the ones sold before mine |
| 13:04.12 | pahartik | _daniel: latest iBook G4 has got rid of ADB trackpad but ADB keyboard is still present... |
| 13:06.27 | _daniel | pahartick: yes, i know, it's just an example of te differences |
| 13:06.37 | _daniel | maybe the soundcard is alsa different |
| 13:07.32 | pahartik | _daniel: this iBook here is "PowerBook6,5" and "287 (iBook G4)", according to "/proc/cpuinfo", and ALSA driver works well... |
| 13:08.43 | _daniel | mine says "287 (Unknown Intrepid-based)" |
| 13:09.32 | jaska | intrepid class? :) |
| 13:10.33 | pahartik | _daniel: actually, except that i need to reload ALSA drivers after sleep/wakeup, or it sounds slightly strange... easy to notice with headphones, not so easy to notice from built-in speakers |
| 13:11.42 | _daniel | i haven't put it to sleep |
| 13:14.43 | pahartik | _daniel: ALSA needs fixing for your new iBook G4 model... |
| 13:15.43 | _daniel | it seems so, i think the mixer is broken |
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| 13:18.32 | _daniel | also, i think cpufreq doesn't work |
| 13:18.42 | _daniel | there is no /proc/cpufreq |
| 13:18.53 | _daniel | do i need to load any module? |
| 13:20.55 | pahartik | _daniel: have you got "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/"? |
| 13:21.42 | _daniel | no |
| 13:25.53 | _daniel | phartik: do i need any modules? |
| 13:27.18 | pahartik | _daniel: here i have 38 days of uptime on Linux 2.6.12... no crashes on sleep/wakeup anymore |
| 13:28.03 | pahartik | _daniel: have you got "CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_PMAC" enabled in "/boot/config-$(uname --release)"? |
| 13:29.18 | pahartik | _daniel: and other related "CONFIG_CPU_FREQ" options? |
| 13:30.14 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ=y |
| 13:30.18 | _daniel | # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG is not set |
| 13:30.23 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT=m |
| 13:30.26 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_STAT_DETAILS=y |
| 13:30.30 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y |
| 13:30.34 | _daniel | # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_USERSPACE is not set |
| 13:30.38 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y |
| 13:30.42 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE=m |
| 13:30.43 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=m |
| 13:30.43 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=m |
| 13:30.43 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_PMAC=y |
| 13:30.43 | _daniel | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE=y |
| 13:30.46 | pahartik | _daniel: flooding is not acceptable |
| 13:31.57 | _daniel | paharik: ok, how much is flooding? |
| 13:32.12 | _daniel | pahartik: i don't know irc's nettiquete |
| 13:37.32 | xwl | _daniel: /j #flood, and paste stuffs there. |
| 13:38.00 | pahartik | _daniel: more than three messages copied from primary selection buffer is flooding |
| 13:38.22 | _daniel | ok, thanks |
| 13:39.02 | _daniel | so, any idea about the cpufreq? |
| 13:40.47 | pahartik | _daniel: some services exist for making stuff like that available through HTTP |
| 13:42.07 | pahartik | _daniel: used kernel apparently does not support that on new iBook G4... |
| 13:42.34 | _daniel | it's 2.6.11, will a newer kernel work? |
| 13:44.43 | pahartik | _daniel: Linux 2.6.12.5 is latest... |
| 13:45.45 | pahartik | _daniel: try and see if it works... |
| 13:46.35 | _daniel | ok, i will compile it |
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| 14:21.36 | dk0r | will yaboot get in the way of reinstalling osx? |
| 14:22.06 | dk0r | having a problem booting osx install cd |
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| 15:12.23 | tezra | anyone here has been able to boot a sarge cd from openfirmware? |
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| 15:58.23 | Bor_Ed | weee, found civctp demo installer for ppc... I wonder if I can use that to play the full x86 ver |
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| 16:33.03 | _daniel | how can i put an ibook g4 to sleep? |
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| 16:40.37 | _daniel | how can i put an ibook g4 to sleep? |
| 16:41.04 | pahartik | _daniel: by configuring "pbbuttonsd" |
| 16:43.30 | _daniel | pahartik: it has SleepKey 116, but i don't know what's that key? |
| 16:45.43 | pahartik | _daniel: that circular key between speakers |
| 16:46.14 | _daniel | pahartik: the power button? |
| 16:47.14 | pahartik | _daniel: yes |
| 16:48.01 | _daniel | pahartik: but when i press it, tasks don't stop, and they should |
| 16:48.18 | _daniel | pahartik: if i'm playing music, music continues |
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| 16:49.06 | gopp | hmm |
| 16:49.17 | gopp | I am getting error with apt |
| 16:49.18 | gopp | any know |
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| 16:49.55 | gopp | Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 16:51.10 | pahartik | _daniel: that depends on "onAC_KeyAction", "onBattery_KeyAction" and kernel's ability to put hardware to sleep |
| 16:55.37 | pahartik | _daniel: for example, i have script to disconnect SSH and NFS, turn off network interfaces, unload Bluetooth modules... before going to sleep |
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| 17:32.51 | _daniel | pahartik: how can i know which things to shut down before sleeping? |
| 17:35.47 | _daniel | pahartik: or how can i manually test sleeping? |
| 17:37.27 | pahartik | _daniel: one can test it by using "sleep key" |
| 17:39.01 | _daniel | how? i don't understand? is there a howto or something? |
| 17:39.09 | pahartik | _daniel: i used to "/etc/init.d/alsa force-unload" in my sleep-script, but that causes problems as it also kills "pbbuttonsd" |
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| 17:39.44 | _daniel | when i press the power button, the screen goes black, but it doesn't sleep |
| 17:42.48 | pahartik | _daniel: and your "onAC_KeyAction" is not set to "blankscreen"? |
| 17:44.56 | _daniel | no, it's suspend-to-ram |
| 17:45.03 | _daniel | default ubuntu's config |
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| 17:54.02 | _daniel | is there any command to test manually |
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| 18:01.55 | _daniel | "pbbcmd query TAG_SLEEPSUPPORTED" shows 0 |
| 18:02.07 | _daniel | sleep should be supported, shouldn't it? |
| 18:03.00 | pahartik | _daniel: it should be, but that hardware is new |
| 18:04.23 | _daniel | new kernel's compilation is finishing, i'll test on 2.6.12.5 |
| 18:04.43 | pahartik | _daniel: good idea |
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| 23:30.13 | meds | anyone using an rt2500 usb wireless adapter? |
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| 23:32.49 | id10t | 'lo all |
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| 23:53.14 | id10t | i've got a imac and a flakey UPS.. is there anyway i can set it to power back on if it looses power? not really debian related, other than it does run debian... |