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| 03:10.29 | tart | oh my... spent quite a while looking for a place like this |
| 03:10.56 | SimonRaven | welcome then |
| 03:11.07 | tart | and look at the channel description "Debian CDs are not bootable in OldWorld" |
| 03:11.12 | tart | that might just answer my question :) |
| 03:11.38 | SimonRaven | not yet anyway. need to get working on miboot |
| 03:11.55 | tart | I have an old (Wallstreet) machine that was dumped on me. All I have it the machine itself, and when I try to boot it up, it comes up to a grey screen that has a floppy with a blinking question mark |
| 03:12.05 | tart | any ideas what I might try? |
| 03:12.12 | tart | any websites I can go to? |
| 03:12.19 | SimonRaven | oh hold on.. lemme check something |
| 03:13.39 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml |
| 03:13.59 | SimonRaven | oh and it is an oldworld. needed to confirm that |
| 03:14.21 | SimonRaven | boot from floppy |
| 03:15.11 | SimonRaven | what kind of resources do you have for it? mock os cd? drive space? etc. |
| 03:15.17 | tart | it has not floppy :( |
| 03:15.23 | tart | I just have the whole machine |
| 03:15.31 | tart | a friend "donated" to me |
| 03:15.45 | tart | the left bay seems to have a battery, and the right bay has a cd rom reader |
| 03:16.07 | tart | I think it's an old world. It is a 1998 PowerBook G3 |
| 03:16.13 | SimonRaven | yeh it is |
| 03:17.25 | SimonRaven | no floppy means a harder time i'm afraid. you might be able to do it via a mock os install if you have a cd for it, then booting to linux with bootx, and using the various woody stuff to do this. |
| 03:17.30 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 03:17.31 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 03:17.52 | SimonRaven | see the woody one. you'll have an easier time. and you can always upgrade to sarge after |
| 03:18.21 | tart | ... mock os install... is that described in the install manual? |
| 03:19.10 | SimonRaven | not the installation itself, but how to deal with the partitioning etc. is |
| 03:20.52 | tart | is there any place on the net I can get a cd for a mock os install? |
| 03:21.43 | SimonRaven | oh so your 'friend' didn't give you anything but this wallstreet? sheesh |
| 03:21.50 | tart | yes |
| 03:22.03 | tart | they don't have any disks or anything for it |
| 03:22.20 | SimonRaven | probably one of those auction sites... or a local computer auction site... |
| 03:22.49 | SimonRaven | it *should* be cheap, if it isn't they're ripping you off |
| 03:23.08 | tart | sorry for the complete ignorance, but what is it exactly what I'm looking for? |
| 03:23.25 | tart | I'm completely new to the architecture, first "mac" I've had under my roof |
| 03:23.44 | SimonRaven | a bootable mac os cd you can boot from, and install from. or, better, find a floppy bay insert for it |
| 03:23.57 | tart | and figured I would try to intall Linux in it. I have linux in all my other x86 boxen |
| 03:24.14 | tart | thanks |
| 03:24.35 | tart | and I assume they don't have those for free downloads eh? |
| 03:24.44 | SimonRaven | the floppy bay would be more useful right now, since you can just dd some floppy images and install from that |
| 03:25.14 | SimonRaven | no, only 7.5.5, and in floppy images.... |
| 03:25.26 | tart | :( |
| 03:25.41 | SimonRaven | i have to figure out how to get mol not crash this box so i can fetch the fucking complete set |
| 03:27.21 | SimonRaven | trying something |
| 03:32.19 | tart | I guess I'm just SOL until I can find someone with one of those CDs :( |
| 03:35.17 | SimonRaven | sec. i have a 7.5.3 cd install image here... just need to get it into a proper format |
| 03:35.45 | SimonRaven | i managed to fetch the thing without crashing the box |
| 03:35.52 | tart | :) |
| 03:36.14 | SimonRaven | it's currently in .sit format... |
| 03:36.36 | SimonRaven | yeh, disk copy, make that into an iso, then you can burn the thing |
| 03:38.15 | SimonRaven | hmm |
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| 03:39.20 | tart | is that a .sit of a .dmg? |
| 03:39.33 | tart | would this help me? |
| 03:39.36 | tart | http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/ |
| 03:40.19 | SimonRaven | no. just plain mac os data+resource fork files |
| 03:41.16 | tart | I'm trying to figure out how I would burn that to a cd |
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| 03:42.19 | SimonRaven | yeh, lemme take care of that. i'm waiting for access to a mock os box |
| 03:48.30 | tart | is MOL pretty stable? |
| 03:48.51 | SimonRaven | usually is... just having problems locally |
| 03:49.31 | SimonRaven | i built a kernel, and i forgot to apply my patches to it... |
| 03:49.53 | SimonRaven | i modify random.c, and a couple of other tweaks |
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| 03:54.56 | SimonRaven | you might to visit a few sites, for edumacuational purposes. www.penguinppc.org , www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ , simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/ , www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ , and debian-powerpc list at lists.debian.org |
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| 03:56.26 | SimonRaven | might want to* |
| 03:58.30 | tart | I've been browsing around the penguinppc.org |
| 03:58.40 | tart | I'll bookmark these other ones too |
| 04:00.44 | tart | and the d.o site was where I got the install cd from |
| 04:01.34 | SimonRaven | oh, hmm, another thing you can do is somehow bung that lappy drive into another box, run debootstrap on it, and install that way |
| 04:03.20 | tart | I need to get out around here and see who else might have one of these machines |
| 04:04.01 | tart | one of those bootable cds are going on ebay for $13.00 |
| 04:04.13 | SimonRaven | yeh about right |
| 04:05.15 | tart | do you konw if this machine supports OF? |
| 04:05.27 | tart | I'm having a hard time determining that |
| 04:05.41 | SimonRaven | v 2.0.1. supports OF is not quite right. it either has it or doesn't |
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| 04:07.47 | tart | got to run |
| 04:07.57 | tart | I'll be back tomorrow after work, I guess.... |
| 04:08.08 | tart | hopefully I can get this box to bootup :) |
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| 04:39.51 | SimonRaven | well, i'll continue working on it later, as the other person has first dibs and was working on something... i was able to do a bit while they were watching the daily show. my plan is to make a bootable iso with 7.5.5 on it, with some useful stuff on it, like bootx, and other stuff |
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| 06:51.05 | Fare | Trying to install debian on a PB3400, the installation dies while trying to detect the MESH scsi controller. |
| 06:51.14 | Fare | Can I somehow disable that detection? |
| 06:51.57 | SimonRaven | by unselecting it in the box shown. though i don't know how you'll get anything installed on it. isn't that the internal scsi bus? |
| 06:55.19 | Fare | no box shown |
| 06:55.28 | Fare | it dies before I have the opportunity to do anything |
| 06:55.35 | Fare | yes, it is. Can I do without? |
| 06:55.56 | Fare | it's an ATA disk afaict |
| 06:56.41 | SimonRaven | oh ok. then yeh you can. the box is seen after the "hardware detection" stage is done. it'll show you a box with checkboxes in it |
| 06:56.58 | Fare | trying again... |
| 06:56.59 | SimonRaven | if the ata bus is the one you're installing to, yes |
| 06:58.18 | Fare | SimonRaven: is there a way to specify that on the bootX kernel command line? |
| 06:59.13 | SimonRaven | yes. usual stuff as pertains to kernel command line. root=/dev/whatever, etc. the bootx text box is as if you had a proper bootloader with append= |
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| 07:02.33 | Fare | weird, worked this time |
| 07:02.44 | Fare | oh, now it asks me for an installer ISO image |
| 07:02.53 | Fare | darn. Did I forget to download something? |
| 07:03.48 | SimonRaven | which -drivers floppy did you use? |
| 07:05.14 | Fare | hd-image |
| 07:05.16 | Fare | oops |
| 07:05.23 | Fare | should I have chosen net-installer? |
| 07:05.41 | SimonRaven | would be easier if you have a dhcpd to get an ip from |
| 07:05.53 | Fare | I have |
| 07:16.49 | Fare | there it died again |
| 07:16.54 | Fare | not very reproducible, it seems |
| 07:17.31 | SimonRaven | strange. anything in the install guide about pb 3400s? how about www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html? |
| 07:20.41 | Fare | spawning a console and killing hw-detect before it reached the MESH seems to have worked |
| 07:21.01 | SimonRaven | hmm, could be a fried chip too |
| 07:22.13 | Fare | I had problems with same chip on other computers |
| 07:22.45 | SimonRaven | i've had problems with it lately, too. no idea why |
| 07:22.47 | Fare | and while trying YDL, I once had a kernel death with YDL trying to initialize it twice |
| 07:23.09 | Fare | the drivers might not be super stable |
| 07:23.19 | SimonRaven | it used to be. |
| 07:23.32 | SimonRaven | mesh chip is pretty iffy in of itself |
| 07:24.20 | SimonRaven | on this box i've switched to using the 53c94 |
| 07:24.28 | SimonRaven | ancient, but stable |
| 07:24.51 | Fare | what's a 53c94 ? |
| 07:25.26 | SimonRaven | another scsi chip. often seen as the external scsi bus on a lot of oldworlds |
| 07:26.05 | Fare | should I use ext3 or reiser? |
| 07:26.11 | SimonRaven | ext3 |
| 07:26.22 | SimonRaven | ext2 for / |
| 07:26.29 | SimonRaven | (if you wanna use quik) |
| 07:27.53 | Fare | do I want to use quik? |
| 07:28.03 | Fare | I have reserved a 25MB partition for the bootloader |
| 07:28.37 | SimonRaven | um, what did you do exactly? |
| 07:30.57 | Fare | not much |
| 07:31.10 | Fare | I currently boot from MacOS 9 with BootX |
| 07:31.21 | Fare | managed to get into the debian net-installer |
| 07:31.32 | Fare | killed the hw-detect |
| 07:32.11 | SimonRaven | do you plan on keep using bootx, and why the 25 mb partition? |
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| 07:33.24 | Fare | I'd like to try quik |
| 07:33.48 | Fare | but only if I can keep bootx as a fall back plan .... it was SO painful to get Mac OS 9 on the computer |
| 07:34.11 | Fare | (had to first find an old OS 8.5 disk that I could install) |
| 07:34.27 | Fare | (plus numerous attempts to do without an install 7.6.1 from floppies) |
| 07:34.35 | Fare | s/an/and/ |
| 07:36.41 | SimonRaven | yeh you can. they don't interfere with each other |
| 07:39.00 | Fare | well, 7.6.1 refused to boot, despite being labeled a PB3400 specific version |
| 07:39.16 | SimonRaven | blah |
| 07:39.43 | Fare | 7.5 refused -- too old. 8.5 had problems of its own. etc... All that to install Linux. I don't really want MacOS on this computer |
| 07:40.03 | SimonRaven | 8.5 is buggy POS anyway |
| 07:40.18 | Fare | I learnt much more about MacOS than I ever want to know. |
| 07:40.32 | Fare | MacOS < 10 seems to be a big ugly joke, anyway |
| 07:40.49 | SimonRaven | i like the ui. but the underbelly sucks |
| 07:41.04 | Fare | I liked the UI... before I actually used it. |
| 07:41.06 | SimonRaven | if it had that ui, plus unix underbelly, it would rock |
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| 07:41.24 | SimonRaven | winbloze ui is crap, imo |
| 07:42.02 | Fare | slow as hell, modal menus that bring it down, not enough keyboard control, funky garbage can that you must access from an application window, etc. |
| 07:42.38 | Fare | well, in as much as I hate ms windows, I still think it's better than MacOS < 10 |
| 07:43.03 | SimonRaven | plenty of kbd control, slow as hell is relative, the rest i have no idea what you mean |
| 07:44.05 | Fare | let's focus on linux :) looks like debian is done downloading its core packages, and installing them... |
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| 07:44.28 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 07:45.08 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: how do you like 2.6.13 so far? |
| 07:45.18 | SimonRaven | haven't booted to it yet |
| 07:45.55 | SimonRaven | i'm stuck using this box as a workstation until i figure out what to do with the POS x86 box i have |
| 07:45.56 | Fare | hum. Why doesn't the debian bootdisk have a fully functional busybox??? |
| 07:46.11 | SimonRaven | Worked Here (tm) |
| 07:46.23 | Fare | adding functionality to busybox is cheap in memory, and VERY useful |
| 07:46.40 | SimonRaven | i need a ppc mac that has an ide bus, or some ide pci card... |
| 07:46.48 | SimonRaven | sure |
| 07:47.20 | Fare | I mean, on my PDA, I can do almost everything with busybox |
| 07:47.47 | Fare | that plus xemacs and clisp and I'm done |
| 07:48.01 | SimonRaven | i updated the bios on the thing, 'cause it was getting CRC errors, now it doesn't even POST |
| 07:50.24 | Fare | could yaboot possibly work on this openboot 2.x machine? will quik boot on it? |
| 07:50.44 | Fare | updating the bios... famous last moves |
| 07:51.16 | Fare | (why disable *any* of the busybox functionality?) |
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| 07:51.50 | Fare | who should I complain to about that? |
| 07:52.06 | SimonRaven | no. quik |
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| 07:54.13 | Fare | should I be using sarge or etch? |
| 07:55.57 | SimonRaven | desktop? etch. stability? sarge |
| 07:56.51 | Fare | suicide? sid. |
| 07:57.13 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 07:57.18 | SimonRaven | esp. lately ;) |
| 07:58.27 | Fare | I suppose there's a way to downgrade my pc to etch except for those goodie lisp things I want from sid |
| 07:58.51 | SimonRaven | with some creative pinning, maybe |
| 07:59.20 | Fare | where is the doc for that? |
| 07:59.37 | SimonRaven | man apt_preferences |
| 08:09.16 | Fare | ouch, rebooting didn't work. It says it can't find hda8 :( |
| 08:10.04 | Fare | maybe I'm using the wrong kernel image, or I should be using some ramdisk? |
| 08:10.32 | SimonRaven | if the kernel needs an initrd, you need to specify it with the ramdisk option |
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| 08:30.38 | Fare | ok, looks like quik -r /1 worked. Now I have to convince openboot to use it... |
| 08:36.59 | Fare | where's a guide to the openboot command prompt? |
| 08:37.50 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what device has openboot anyway ? |
| 08:38.17 | Fare | how do I know? |
| 08:38.49 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what computer you have there which has the openboot... |
| 08:41.59 | SimonRaven | pb 3400. and it's open firmware, not openboot. openboot is sparc boxen |
| 08:43.07 | Bor_Ed | thought so |
| 08:43.34 | Fare | ok, do open firmware. How do I specify hda10 for the boot-device? |
| 08:43.46 | Bor_Ed | pb might let to OF with alt+apple+o+f ... and commands are available on apple site if I don't recall wrong |
| 08:45.49 | SimonRaven | you don't. it'd be something like ata/ata-disk0:0 or wtfever it is, then set quik to have the right partition and root settings |
| 08:46.44 | SimonRaven | you can do ofpath /dev/hda to find out |
| 08:47.18 | SimonRaven | ...if it still works... |
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| 08:50.12 | Fare | Ouch. Booted. Got "Welcome to quik. mate is good" then Openfirmware catches an error. DEFAULT CATCH |
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| 09:00.35 | Fare | I use the begin... catch... again trick, and I get further. Now quik asks me to enter the kernel image named as device:part/path |
| 09:02.16 | SimonRaven | try Linux |
| 09:04.05 | Fare | fatal errors, then image not found |
| 09:05.03 | Bor_Ed | or linux ... |
| 09:06.13 | Fare | ok, the right invocation was ata0/ata-disk@0:10/boot/vmlinux |
| 09:06.22 | Fare | except I don't know how to specify the initrd |
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| 09:51.17 | Fare | when I finally get to boot into debian, it dies while trying to initialize MESH a second time (!) |
| 10:07.08 | Fare | this time it worked |
| 10:07.27 | Bor_Ed | sounds like the reset timeouts for some reason |
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| 10:41.42 | wart | Hello. Anyone tried sarge on Xserver? |
| 10:41.45 | wart | Xserve |
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| 14:06.16 | grivell | Any progress on WMV9 under Linux/PPC? |
| 14:08.21 | Q-FUNK | not that I know of. |
| 14:08.42 | grivell | Yeah, haven't found anything on Google :( |
| 14:09.58 | Q-FUNK | then again, IMHO, trying to support any of MS' closed formats is a lost cause. A more productive appraoch would be to get everyone else to adopt open formats. |
| 14:10.58 | Q-FUNK | it's already working for productivity suites. everyone in the free software world, plus several commercial products, have laready adopted OASIS as the unified business document format. |
| 14:11.55 | Q-FUNK | for OOo, we're gonna see support for those starting with 1.1.5, while Koffice already supports it AFAIK. |
| 14:12.23 | Q-FUNK | we could easily do the same for media player formats. |
| 14:12.29 | johill | theora |
| 14:12.54 | Q-FUNK | not bad. |
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| 14:13.16 | Q-FUNK | but why not just support mpeg4 everywhere? |
| 14:13.55 | johill | no idea ;) I really don't know much about video formats |
| 14:15.06 | Q-FUNK | doh |
| 14:18.28 | grivell | Or support divx / xvid |
| 14:19.19 | grivell | I just wish Vorbis was everywhere. Tired of only having Rio Karma (now Rio is gone from music business). |
| 14:19.52 | Q-FUNK | I'm interested in seeing what can be done with the BBC's open source codecs. |
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| 15:03.53 | xwl | Hi, |
| 15:04.15 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 15:04.27 | xwl | Are there ACDSee-like image viewers for linuxppc? I only find `xzgv'... |
| 15:05.38 | SimonRaven | is that like remote desktop or...? |
| 15:06.09 | johill | just plain eog? |
| 15:06.16 | johill | not sure what you want |
| 15:06.35 | SimonRaven | me neither. not familiar with acdsee |
| 15:06.42 | johill | image previewer, iirc |
| 15:06.48 | SimonRaven | ac/dc sure, but not the other ;) |
| 15:07.28 | xwl | no no, just a simple image viewer, |
| 15:07.42 | xwl | acdsee is from Windoze.. |
| 15:07.46 | johill | eog then |
| 15:07.54 | SimonRaven | oh, eog, or gqview |
| 15:08.04 | xwl | but apt-cache can't find it.. |
| 15:08.06 | SimonRaven | gqview does thumbnails |
| 15:08.08 | sktrdie | if anyone is using a working USB WLAN for ppc linux let me know |
| 15:08.45 | xwl | SimonRaven: is `gqview' in debian's mirror? |
| 15:08.50 | johill | xwl: apt-cache show eog |
| 15:08.57 | SimonRaven | should be |
| 15:09.02 | johill | package gqview |
| 15:09.29 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: test2 |
| 15:09.31 | ravenbird | Yes I'm online |
| 15:11.02 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: lart me |
| 15:11.12 | SimonRaven | ok, workie again |
| 15:11.25 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: lart me |
| 15:11.36 | xwl | oh, god, i made a stupid mistake in sources.list... i cound find |
| 15:11.37 | xwl | gqview, etc. Thank you , guys! |
| 15:11.52 | SimonRaven | :). np |
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| 15:26.34 | ErRandir | or try 'display', package imagemagick |
| 15:27.00 | SimonRaven | i usually use display, also groks URIs |
| 15:30.19 | sktrdie | if anyone is using a working USB WLAN for ppc linux let me know |
| 15:30.54 | SimonRaven | um asking every ten minutes isn't going to get you anywhere |
| 15:32.07 | ErRandir | probably quicker to google for it |
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| 16:14.32 | grivell | sktrdie: I have working usb wlan for ppc. But it involves non-Debian ways of doing things to get it working. AKA wlan-ng in Debian is ****. |
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| 16:24.52 | sktrdie | grivell: can you tell me more pls!! |
| 16:25.02 | sktrdie | grivell: I am disperately looking for something |
| 16:25.26 | grivell | ok |
| 16:26.13 | grivell | ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.2.tar.bz2 |
| 16:26.32 | grivell | I have not tried that version. It is new. Should work. Download, and compile. |
| 16:26.56 | grivell | And install as root. |
| 16:27.50 | grivell | I *must* make a web page to describe this. Why am I lazy like that? I keep repeating it when someone asks. That is more work ;) |
| 16:28.00 | grivell | After you do that. ARG. |
| 16:35.03 | Fare | It worked!!!!! |
| 16:35.11 | Fare | Thanks and kisses to all channel members! |
| 16:42.41 | grivell | What was Fare talking about that worked? |
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| 16:47.35 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 16:47.47 | SimonRaven | booting his pb 3400 |
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| 16:59.02 | sktrdie | grivell: you there? |
| 17:01.56 | grivell | yep |
| 17:03.44 | sktrdie | tell me about the WLAN usb u have |
| 17:03.53 | sktrdie | grivell: what brand is it... how does it work |
| 17:05.30 | AndrewLee | grivell: Thanks, I made my prims_usb WLAN work, but it's not good cause no debian way can do this. :( |
| 17:06.01 | sktrdie | WLAN? what wlan? |
| 17:06.18 | AndrewLee | sktrdie: prims_usb |
| 17:06.43 | sktrdie | why dont it work with debian |
| 17:07.38 | AndrewLee | the linux-wlan-ng fails to build from source. |
| 17:08.06 | sktrdie | and how did you make it work? |
| 17:09.22 | AndrewLee | grivell said: |
| 17:09.22 | AndrewLee | 00:26 < grivell> ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.2.tar.bz2 |
| 17:09.26 | AndrewLee | 00:26 < grivell> I have not tried that version. It is new. Should work. |
| 17:09.28 | AndrewLee | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.31 | AndrewLee | 00:26 < grivell> And install as root. |
| 17:10.13 | sktrdie | so why did you say it's not good? |
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| 17:10.59 | AndrewLee | sktrdie: cause it's not debian way |
| 17:11.12 | AndrewLee | sktrdie: and debian way doesn't work |
| 17:11.47 | sktrdie | what do you mean debian way |
| 17:12.19 | AndrewLee | sktrdie: apt-get |
| 17:13.42 | sktrdie | o I see |
| 17:13.43 | sktrdie | of course |
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| 17:13.50 | sktrdie | but you got it to work |
| 17:13.55 | sktrdie | btw I cant find that USB card |
| 17:14.10 | sktrdie | are you sure the brand is: prims_usb? |
| 17:17.30 | grivell | prism2_usb |
| 17:17.40 | grivell | I have a D-Link USB |
| 17:17.53 | grivell | Which is prism2 usb chipset. |
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| 17:30.35 | AndrewLee | I have AirVast PC-Chips 802.11b usb Adpter |
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| 18:06.05 | sktrdie | grivell: damn I never get you... which D-link? what version exactly? is it this one: http://www.expansys.it/product.asp?code=106272 |
| 18:06.28 | sktrdie | and it works 100%? no problem at all? like no downs, and it connects to any hub around? |
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| 18:09.54 | grivell | D-Link DWL-122 yes |
| 18:10.28 | sktrdie | awesome! tell me is it hard to install under Debian? |
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| 18:10.31 | sktrdie | I have a powerbook |
| 18:10.34 | sktrdie | and how does it work? |
| 18:10.36 | sktrdie | good? |
| 18:10.43 | grivell | It works very well. But you have to edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:12.12 | sktrdie | ok Im gonna buy it |
| 18:12.20 | sktrdie | it doesnt cost much rightt? |
| 18:13.25 | grivell | It is cheap. |
| 18:13.45 | grivell | apt, airport extreme |
| 18:13.53 | apt | hmm... airport extreme is crap. Get a D-Link DWL-122 which is Linux compatible. |
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| 23:02.37 | xbaez | hello ! |
| 23:02.54 | xbaez | someone know if exist skype for linux in ppc ? |
| 23:16.14 | _rene_ | lol |
| 23:16.23 | _rene_ | skype is binary-only. x86 only. |
| 23:16.33 | _rene_ | welcome in the proprietary software world... |
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| 23:27.06 | xbaez | _rene_ that it's not true ... skype it's for macosx too |
| 23:28.06 | _rene_ | but for Linux it's x86-only |
| 23:28.12 | _rene_ | which is what we are talking about |
| 23:28.22 | _rene_ | and for mac os x powerpc-macos-only |
| 23:28.32 | _rene_ | well, welcome in the non-free software world, as said... |
| 23:29.22 | xbaez | mmh yes i understand .. :( |
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