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| 08:25.33 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: beleive or not, ALSA seems almost fixed for this chipset. |
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| 12:47.40 | Q-FUNK | re |
| 12:49.26 | SimonRaven | Q-FUNK: cool (your earlier msg) |
| 12:50.22 | Q-FUNK | there's still weird things like the sliders for the internal speakers and the headphones bieng inverted, some of the mute buttons not working... but otherwise it's finally working. |
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| 12:52.38 | Q-FUNK | I have the basics working: sound output works and the alsa-utils manage to alter the volume |
| 12:53.17 | Q-FUNK | I congratualted whoever did it, in my ALSA BTS entry, and also reported on what remains to be done. |
| 12:53.44 | SimonRaven | nice, positive progress always good to see |
| 12:56.39 | Q-FUNK | who knows, we just might live to see ALSA fixed on all pmac subarches. |
| 12:57.26 | SimonRaven | that would rock |
| 12:58.18 | Q-FUNK | that would probably require that absolutely everyone who still experiences problems on ALSA/PPC to report them |
| 12:58.32 | Q-FUNK | they cannot fix what they don't know about. |
| 12:59.45 | DelTree | one thing is to experience problems... another one is to be able to understand them enough to make a (valuable) bug report... |
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| 13:06.00 | Q-FUNK | DelTree: not really. see https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=306 (use the guest login) |
| 13:06.42 | Q-FUNK | all I said was my hardware has the following features but the mixer only shows the folwing ones. the following tols report this and that, if it helps. |
| 13:07.11 | Q-FUNK | my last entry is a fairly simple bug report of a type that anyone could easily file |
| 13:07.45 | Q-FUNK | chipset reported by alsa or lspci at bootup, all sliders shown in the mixer and if they work. |
| 13:13.35 | DelTree | :) |
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| 13:17.30 | nooneelse | someone knows if debian has support for mac airport wireless driver? |
| 13:18.07 | SimonRaven | nooneelse: airport yes, airport extreme no |
| 13:18.31 | SimonRaven | and the kernel does, not debian per se. debain is an os |
| 13:18.34 | SimonRaven | debian* |
| 13:18.48 | SimonRaven | (if you wanna be technical ;) |
| 13:23.44 | nooneelse | SimonRaven so... lemme ask again.. Do you know if some have some linux driver for airport(normal not extreme) ? |
| 13:24.01 | nooneelse | s/some//g |
| 13:24.07 | SimonRaven | i just said yes |
| 13:24.20 | nooneelse | SimonRaven oops... lag sorry |
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| 13:30.32 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 13:33.16 | dukez | hi |
| 13:35.48 | dukez | I'd like to compile a ppc64 kernel, but it always compile it as a 32bits kernel |
| 13:36.15 | dukez | How can I compile it for ppc64? |
| 13:45.53 | SimonRaven | there,s a ppc64 project at alioth.debian.org. otherwise you can install a power4 debian kernel (if it's a g5) |
| 13:47.44 | dukez | it's a G5 |
| 13:48.04 | dukez | I always compiled my kernels as 32bits |
| 13:48.21 | dukez | is it possible to compile a 64bits kernel with a 32bits system ? |
| 13:48.25 | dukez | (and use) |
| 13:48.45 | wart | Yes. Install a cross-compiler or a biarch regular compiler. |
| 13:49.12 | dukez | and then I can use a 64bits kernel with a 32bits userland? |
| 13:49.47 | wart | yup |
| 13:49.53 | dukez | great |
| 13:50.01 | dukez | what's a biarch compiler ? |
| 13:51.04 | wart | The one that supports both 32-bit and 64-bit code generation with -m64/-m32 (or some other way). |
| 13:51.47 | dukez | is there a howto somewhere ? |
| 13:55.24 | dukez | hum, another question, is AGP supported on the G5 ? Because I tried to install r300 driver, but it fails, saying AGP support is missing |
| 13:55.52 | wart | Well, Debian's gcc 3.4/4.0 source packages support building of a biarch on ppc, but it was broken because of the libraries last time I looked. Maybe now things are better. In theory, a C-only bootstrap compiler is enough to build a kernel, so you can try just building ppc64 C-only cross, without glibc involved. |
| 13:56.10 | dukez | ok |
| 13:56.33 | wart | (Or, better, take the ready-built kernel from alioth's debian-ppc64 :) |
| 13:57.41 | SimonRaven | it's fixed now IIRC |
| 13:57.59 | SimonRaven | but yeh, easier to go fetch the kernel there |
| 13:58.08 | dukez | i'm adding alioth src to my sources.list |
| 13:58.23 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 13:59.32 | dukez | err, source seems dead |
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| 14:04.16 | dukez | have to go, bye |
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| 14:34.48 | dukez | re |
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| 14:55.18 | Nixdorf | i install debian on powermac g3, sarge version kernel compiled for this computer? |
| 14:58.21 | SimonRaven | uname -r |
| 14:59.41 | pahartik | Nixdorf: Linux 2.6.8 and Linux 2.4.27 |
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| 15:38.55 | SimonRaven | @version |
| 15:38.56 | ravenbird | somebody said version was woody 3.0 |
| 15:39.00 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 15:39.18 | SimonRaven | @no version is <reply>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:39.19 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 15:39.22 | SimonRaven | @version |
| 15:39.22 | ravenbird | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:39.27 | SimonRaven | better |
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| 17:41.43 | MrNikel | Hi, I have a G5 with NVidia, as im fed up with waiting for drivers that wont appear im starting to think to buy an ATI card (and trying to buy the NVdidia one). Does any of you know about a working 100% working ATI card? (glx support needed) |
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| 19:36.19 | pabitas | Hi, I'm on the quest of trying to get quik to work on a beige G3 rev.A with OF 2.01 anyone with a similar experience that could share some knowledge? |
| 19:39.59 | pabitas | guess not? |
| 19:40.35 | CunningPike | Sorry - I'm on a 6500, which presents its own challenges with Quik :) |
| 19:40.59 | pabitas | he he.. have you got it working there? |
| 19:41.08 | CunningPike | Yes - eventually. |
| 19:41.14 | CunningPike | What problem are you seeing? |
| 19:43.03 | pabitas | well, basically I'm not even able to see the initial quik display. I have tried using system disk, applying the quik.b-g3 binary... but still nothing.. it seems like quik is just not installing properly |
| 19:43.32 | CunningPike | Hmm |
| 19:43.49 | pabitas | i get a black screen imediatley after installing from debian, and after applying the g3 binary and system disk i just get a can't open at times, or it crashes with a - |
| 19:44.28 | CunningPike | I have instructions for a manual Quik install that I had to use - hang on a sec |
| 19:44.33 | pabitas | thanks |
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| 19:45.57 | CunningPike | hyg - http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/01/msg00336.html |
| 19:46.07 | pabitas | thanks.. i'll give that a try |
| 19:48.23 | CunningPike | np |
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| 20:55.33 | pabitas | no luck, still no quik prompt.. the only way anything remotley happens is when using system disk to set the OF variables.. but even then, when i press boot at the OF it crashes with a - right after it |
| 20:56.41 | pabitas | is there a way of booting the os straight from OF without having to go through a boot loader? setting more environment variables at OF? |
| 20:59.42 | pabitas | anyone? lol.. |
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| 21:34.50 | SimonRaven | no |
| 21:35.09 | SimonRaven | well, not quite no. i don't have time to discuss it though |
| 21:36.08 | pabitas | he he.. thanks |
| 21:36.21 | pabitas | have u ever tried installing quik on a beige g3? |
| 21:36.39 | CunningPike | Still having problems? |
| 21:36.44 | pabitas | yeah |
| 21:36.57 | CunningPike | Did the stuff I sent help at all? |
| 21:37.07 | pabitas | i'm wondering whether if the quik on the current deb installer is not working for me |
| 21:37.13 | pabitas | not much, i had already tried most of it |
| 21:37.26 | CunningPike | OK - well, I'm all out then, sorry |
| 21:37.27 | pabitas | the interesting part of my situation is that the system hangs after i try to boot from OF |
| 21:37.34 | CunningPike | Oh |
| 21:37.40 | CunningPike | That's nasty |
| 21:37.52 | pabitas | it's not a can't open error, so it hangs as if it had found the device but that's it |
| 21:38.00 | CunningPike | Hmm |
| 21:38.03 | pabitas | and that will only happen while using system disk |
| 21:38.10 | CunningPike | Do you have a separate /boot partition? |
| 21:38.17 | CunningPike | Sorry if that's an obvious question |
| 21:38.29 | pabitas | i do.. |
| 21:38.36 | pabitas | is that completely necessary though? |
| 21:38.57 | pabitas | i'm guiding myself mostly from this thread |
| 21:38.58 | pabitas | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/10/msg00068.html |
| 21:39.05 | pabitas | that guy has pretty much the same hardware as i do |
| 21:39.09 | CunningPike | It's my understanding that Quik won't work on a separate /boot partition |
| 21:39.28 | SimonRaven | please research the beige g3. there are known problems with its OF versions (both of them) with IDE drive booting |
| 21:39.41 | SimonRaven | CunningPike: *bzzt* |
| 21:39.43 | pabitas | i'm wondering if i have a messed up quik.. i'm donloading the sources now.. |
| 21:39.48 | SimonRaven | no... |
| 21:40.21 | CunningPike | OK - that might just be for OldWorld then |
| 21:40.25 | pabitas | i've tried both with and without a separate /boot part |
| 21:41.13 | SimonRaven | beige g3 *is* oldworld |
| 21:41.22 | CunningPike | Oh dear |
| 21:41.25 | SimonRaven | won't matter, you miss the whole point |
| 21:41.30 | CunningPike | Perhaps I'd better stop talking |
| 21:41.42 | SimonRaven | re-read what i said please |
| 21:41.56 | SimonRaven | 17:39 SimonRaven : please research the beige g3. there are known problems with its OF versions (both of them) with IDE drive booting |
| 21:42.10 | pabitas | lol, i've been researching for 3 days... |
| 21:42.40 | SimonRaven | booting off scsi is less of a gamble - as in will it boot or not? - obviously not well enough, or in the wrong places |
| 21:43.34 | SimonRaven | http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/NativeBootGee3OFTwoFour - try that first. |
| 21:43.37 | pabitas | i don't have a scsi drive,, |
| 21:43.41 | pabitas | thank |
| 21:43.41 | pabitas | s |
| 21:43.48 | SimonRaven | then you're pretty much SOL |
| 21:43.53 | SimonRaven | use bootx |
| 21:44.24 | pabitas | i'm using bootx, i just want to get this working |
| 21:45.05 | SimonRaven | you're pretty much stuck with that |
| 21:45.33 | SimonRaven | unless you have one of the quirky ones that boot off ide ok... but it doesn't seem like it |
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| 21:48.10 | avenger | i'm on a mac mini and i point the modem to /dev/modem using kppp of KDE and it says it cannot find any modem.how do i point it to apple's internal v92 modem? |
| 21:49.34 | SimonRaven | those tend to be software modems... |
| 21:49.59 | SimonRaven | dunno if it actually is on the mini, but past ones have |
| 21:50.22 | avenger | im trying to point it to apple's v92 internal modem |
| 21:50.40 | _rene_ | avenger: we can read... |
| 21:51.31 | demon | yeah, I'm pretty sure that the mac minis would only have the software modems... and I don't think there are drivers for linux for the ones they're using these days either :/ |
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| 21:52.12 | avenger | software==internal? |
| 21:52.31 | _rene_ | no. software == software. |
| 21:52.49 | _rene_ | many internal modems don't have rreal hardware anymore |
| 21:53.06 | _rene_ | evetyhing is done by the driver. that's why they are called win/soft/software-modems |
| 21:53.09 | avenger | what's my mac mini's?software or hardware? |
| 21:53.23 | _rene_ | and you then of course need a full-blown driver instead of a generic modem one |
| 21:53.34 | _rene_ | avenger: didn't we just tell? |
| 21:53.46 | _rene_ | avenger: almost all stuff like that is software modems |
| 21:54.17 | _rene_ | if you need a modem, get a "normal" one. if you get one these times... |
| 21:54.49 | avenger | ok thanks for clearing that up.but is there a way to find a full-blown driver for my apple modem? |
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