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| 04:18.34 | foureyes779 | anyone know if a 2.6.x kernel will work on an oldworld mac (PowerPC 8500/120) machine ? |
| 04:20.08 | demon | sure |
| 04:20.16 | demon | I have a 2.6.x kernel on my 7500 |
| 04:20.21 | demon | it works just fine |
| 04:20.42 | foureyes779 | cool |
| 04:21.06 | foureyes779 | last i had heard a few months back was to stay away from the 2.6 series for the older macs |
| 04:21.40 | foureyes779 | my 7200 died on me so i had to switch everyhing to the 8500 |
| 04:21.58 | foureyes779 | so actually its a 8500/132 |
| 04:22.21 | foureyes779 | ehr, 7600 |
| 04:25.02 | foureyes779 | anyway, tnx demon |
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| 04:27.00 | foureyes779 | hi morphology |
| 04:27.09 | morphology | hey foureyes779 |
| 04:27.18 | foureyes779 | found it |
| 04:27.29 | morphology | yah.. both go to the same place |
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| 04:45.35 | foureyes779 | demon: didyou build your own kernel or use an image, and if from an image, which did you select ? |
| 04:48.00 | demon | I used the packaged kernels |
| 04:48.46 | demon | I used the SMP one in my case (because it has an aftermarket dual 604e/180 CPU card) |
| 04:48.52 | foureyes779 | cool, thats what i was wondering |
| 04:49.32 | demon | other than that, I don't know what you mean by "which" |
| 04:50.23 | foureyes779 | ok, when i do an "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 | grep poerpc" it gives me a list of images to use. |
| 04:50.47 | foureyes779 | i was wondering which to use ? |
| 04:51.09 | cappicard | whee.. I wonder how looonnng it'll take my old mac 6100 to build its kernel... LOL |
| 04:51.32 | demon | haha |
| 04:51.37 | demon | build it on something else |
| 04:51.45 | demon | you'll grow old before it finishes |
| 04:52.02 | demon | that's the way I always did it when I was running linux on 6100s |
| 04:52.34 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 05:06.02 | cappicard | demon: heh. yeah. I'm going to setup a cross-platform build environment on my PC |
| 05:08.20 | foureyes779 | nice |
| 05:08.29 | foureyes779 | cross-platform ? |
| 05:10.15 | cappicard | yeah. |
| 05:10.31 | cappicard | my PC's a Pentium III 933 |
| 05:10.37 | cappicard | with 640Mb of RAM |
| 05:10.51 | foureyes779 | aah |
| 05:11.16 | foureyes779 | and you can build a PPC kernel on an X86 ? |
| 05:11.27 | cappicard | yep |
| 05:11.43 | cappicard | just install a cross-compiler built for powerpc |
| 05:11.54 | cappicard | or whichever platform you need |
| 05:12.47 | foureyes779 | im going to have to look into that, would make building a new kernel a hell of a lot faster |
| 05:13.14 | foureyes779 | im still a linux newb |
| 05:13.34 | foureyes779 | somewhat |
| 05:13.53 | cappicard | not a problem :) |
| 05:14.49 | foureyes779 | just one more reason to love linux for me.... |
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| 05:16.15 | foureyes779 | ste up this mac for CLI use and to monitor my network |
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| 15:25.57 | sobersabre | hi |
| 15:26.04 | sobersabre | any news with ppc64 ? |
| 15:27.08 | sobersabre | guys is it still impossible to have js20 with debian ? |
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| 16:44.30 | sim_ | hello |
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| 16:45.02 | sim_ | i'm trying to install debianppc on a powerpc beige G3 |
| 16:45.20 | sim_ | and i've lot of problem to make it bootable |
| 16:45.48 | sim_ | i've read somewhere it can be due to the openfirmware version |
| 16:45.56 | sim_ | 2.0f1 |
| 16:46.32 | sim_ | my problem is that i've already erease the macos partition... |
| 16:47.05 | sim_ | also i'm looking for a way to upgrade openfirmware without macos |
| 16:47.22 | sim_ | if someone has an idea... he's welcome |
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| 16:55.54 | Stereo | oh dear |
| 16:56.07 | Stereo | sim_: re-install mac os |
| 16:56.13 | Stereo | that's the easiest way |
| 16:56.49 | Stereo | if quik is giving you shit, give up and install bootX. I tried to fight quik and lost - and this was years ago when people still knew about how it worked. |
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| 17:32.37 | p8r | hi, tried to make my first 2.6.13, took the config from my working 2.6.11.5, but box hangs at second (white) openfirmware screen. Any ideas where to start searching? |
| 17:33.05 | Curalton | framebuffer stuff? |
| 17:34.16 | p8r | Curalton: one moment, checking... |
| 17:37.53 | p8r | Curalton: that's strange, everything is like in my working kernel's config... |
| 17:38.31 | p8r | i did a manual patch though to get the m3mirror (clone display) working, which did fine on my last kernel... |
| 17:38.39 | Curalton | no idea then, sry |
| 17:38.52 | p8r | Curalton: ok, thx |
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| 18:09.54 | MrNikel | Hi, any idea about a 100% working AGP ATI card (glx support)? for a G5? I use debian-ppc. |
| 18:10.20 | Bor_Ed | radeon 9200 at least works... 9800 might too |
| 18:11.57 | MrNikel | Ok, lets see. Well, even more... a flasheable PC ATI card? |
| 18:12.17 | Bor_Ed | no idea... possibly, no guarantees |
| 18:12.18 | MrNikel | And would eventually NVidia provide NVidia support? |
| 18:12.36 | MrNikel | Nobody knows about it I guess. |
| 18:12.40 | Bor_Ed | fat change... |
| 18:13.04 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess it happens when broadcom releases specs to airport extreme |
| 18:13.30 | MrNikel | hehehe. Not only in NVidia is neccesary I guess. How many vendors provides information about hteir products? Just Intel I guess. |
| 18:14.19 | Bor_Ed | intel doesn't too much... ibm has been pretty good with opening up the specs and so are some others too (mai logic, genesi, freescale and so on) |
| 18:14.41 | MrNikel | But in the graphics card market? |
| 18:15.11 | MrNikel | Is disgusting, people is not even asking for kernel modules, just information... |
| 18:15.19 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ati has given some specs, not for new stuff though (http://r300.sf.net has some driver/info) but other than that, nothing |
| 18:16.28 | MrNikel | Is disgusting having MacosX with a better performance than in linux. In graphics matters. |
| 18:16.57 | MrNikel | Well, I'll see if I get one of those radeons. Any one willing to buy an NVidia card? hehe |
| 18:17.04 | Bor_Ed | at least better support... can't say about performance since I don't use mockosx |
| 18:18.24 | MrNikel | I tested it as It came with th computer and the graphics stuff was better = 3d accel support, somethingI dont have in linux. And another annoying thing is Java. The rest is quite fine. |
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| 18:19.54 | Bor_Ed | java works just fine on linux/ppc too... it's just that there aren't browser plugins currently |
| 18:21.27 | MrNikel | No, the virtual machine I mean. The ibm one. First we dont have java 1.5 and ibm ppc64 version simply does not work. So wiuth blackdown. Gcj is the only thing that solves the situation. |
| 18:23.18 | Bor_Ed | gcj is ver 1.1.3 or something like that, right ? |
| 18:23.49 | Bor_Ed | btw, doesn't sun ship ppc ver too nowadays ? |
| 18:24.55 | MrNikel | Not a month ago |
| 18:25.37 | MrNikel | I mean native gcj I you manage to compile. |
| 18:26.56 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay... haven't seen such one... though I ain't java expert in any ways |
| 18:29.12 | MrNikel | Well, anyway. You just have to think of it as a never-ending IQ test. :) |
| 18:29.31 | Bor_Ed | yup :) |
| 18:29.46 | Bor_Ed | there's got to be challenges on so nice distro as debian is :P |
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| 18:32.17 | dead-alive | hola |
| 18:32.45 | Bor_Ed | hola my amigo |
| 18:32.55 | dead-alive | does someone has successfully installed linux on an ibm rs6000 43p-150? |
| 18:33.18 | Bor_Ed | probably since there is installation documentation online |
| 18:33.50 | Bor_Ed | someone a while back asked same thing about 43p-270 or something similar |
| 18:34.21 | dead-alive | the problem is that absolutely no linux cd can boot on that box and with the floppys it also doesn't work |
| 18:34.43 | sktrdie | can anyone help me? |
| 18:34.48 | sktrdie | I want to install GNOME latest version |
| 18:34.54 | sktrdie | but only 2.8.3 is in apt |
| 18:35.39 | Bor_Ed | gnome is at 2.10.1.1 |
| 18:35.54 | Bor_Ed | dist-upgrade to sid and break your system |
| 18:38.51 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed, Im using stable |
| 18:38.57 | sktrdie | and in stable its 2.8.3 |
| 18:39.05 | sktrdie | what if I want to install the latest 2.12? |
| 18:39.12 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: that's why you don't have the latest... stable == old but working packages |
| 18:39.53 | sktrdie | 2.10 is working |
| 18:40.01 | sktrdie | but yet in unstable |
| 18:40.18 | Bor_Ed | stable packages had to get frozen at some point and it was 2.8.3 this time |
| 18:40.35 | sktrdie | so what do I do if I want to install the 2.12? |
| 18:40.55 | Bor_Ed | you'll grab the source and build the packages |
| 18:41.15 | Bor_Ed | or you might be able to get the (source) packages from experimental too and build from those |
| 18:41.40 | sktrdie | might sound stupid |
| 18:41.54 | sktrdie | but I have not much experience installing apps without packagin systems |
| 18:42.12 | Bor_Ed | I've forgotten that pretty well, thank gawd :) |
| 18:43.02 | Bor_Ed | quick tip, don't forget packaging systems, long tip, if you really want to break up the sys and spend hours to troubleshoot it, install from sources randomly :) |
| 18:43.14 | sktrdie | lol |
| 18:43.17 | sktrdie | I just want 2.12 |
| 18:44.05 | sktrdie | do u use GNOME? |
| 18:44.08 | Bor_Ed | it might be packaged somewhere, maybe in experimental already... so pick up the packages or add the pool source and install the packages with the pinning thingy (man apt-policy or such page) |
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| 18:44.17 | Bor_Ed | naa, I haven't used gnome since 1.4 |
| 18:47.25 | sktrdie | yea I use pinning |
| 18:47.27 | sktrdie | so I try |
| 18:47.33 | sktrdie | apt-get install gnome/unstable |
| 18:47.54 | sktrdie | but it says that it has unmet dependencies |
| 18:47.59 | sktrdie | and it cant install some packages |
| 18:48.25 | Bor_Ed | well, gnome can be broken in sid... wouldn't suprise since it has a lot of deps |
| 18:48.45 | sktrdie | yes, in fact it says, broken packages |
| 18:48.54 | Bor_Ed | that too |
| 18:49.02 | sktrdie | so waht i do |
| 18:49.18 | Bor_Ed | wait 'till the packages are fixed |
| 18:49.47 | sktrdie | ok dokie |
| 18:56.23 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed: what packagin system do you use? |
| 18:56.29 | Bor_Ed | dpkg |
| 18:56.31 | sktrdie | I was wonderfing if Yum works with debain |
| 18:56.35 | sktrdie | dpkg? |
| 18:56.43 | Bor_Ed | yup, apt backend |
| 18:56.47 | sktrdie | I mean something like ap |
| 18:56.48 | sktrdie | apt |
| 18:57.00 | sktrdie | how does it work? |
| 18:57.33 | Bor_Ed | dpkg is like rpm in suse or mandriva... not too usable for managing big picture but ok for installing kernell |
| 18:57.49 | Bor_Ed | if you want simple gui package manager in deb based distro, install synaptic |
| 18:58.18 | sktrdie | does it support ppc? |
| 18:58.22 | sktrdie | also have like the latest stuff |
| 18:58.30 | sktrdie | like GNOMe 2.10 at least |
| 18:59.32 | sktrdie | wow I already have synaptic |
| 19:01.08 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:03.03 | sktrdie | but it has the same stuff as apt-get |
| 19:03.22 | Bor_Ed | yup, you need to set the apt sources for the good stuff |
| 19:04.39 | sktrdie | mmm |
| 19:10.07 | sktrdie | wierd |
| 19:10.22 | sktrdie | it says that i have version number 64 of GNOME |
| 19:10.43 | Bor_Ed | mmm, yer coming from future, right ? :D |
| 19:11.53 | sktrdie | lol |
| 19:13.30 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed, what happens if I put "unstable" in my source.list |
| 19:13.53 | sktrdie | last time it downloaded a very buggy version of GNOME |
| 19:14.23 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: keep some working WM on the login manager too ... |
| 19:14.34 | sktrdie | ? |
| 19:14.45 | Bor_Ed | xfce, icewm or such if gnome is your main (and only) desktop |
| 19:15.09 | Bor_Ed | it's sometimes easier to fix puked wm/desktop in gui than in console |
| 19:15.55 | Bor_Ed | you could try putting 'testing' to sources.list too |
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| 20:02.30 | pahartik | damn, my iBook G4 does not like Linux 2.6.13 at all |
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| 20:03.45 | black_Nightmare | just wondering about it but anyone had any experience with installing to a wallstreet powerbook? (oldworld I believe yeah) |
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| 20:12.19 | black_Nightmare | hey melk |
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| 20:40.05 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
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| 21:07.30 | sim_ | Stereo: ok thank you |
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| 21:22.00 | dead-alive | ok, i tried 2 ways no, and both time i didn't get it to work |
| 21:22.27 | dead-alive | i tried http://www.adelux.fr/libre/howto/en/rs6000 and http://home.tiscali.be/philipa/rs6000-instproc.html |
| 21:23.08 | dead-alive | are there workable howto's for installing linux on the 43p-150? |
| 21:23.46 | sktrdie | is anyone using GNOME 2.12 here? |
| 21:28.38 | Q-FUNK | how could we? |
| 21:29.20 | Q-FUNK | right now, Debian barely got around packaging gtk 2.10 |
| 21:29.32 | sktrdie | ? |
| 21:29.45 | Q-FUNK | and gnome 2.10 updates are still in the middle of packaging. |
| 21:30.08 | Q-FUNK | currently up to gnome 2.10.3 IIRC |
| 21:30.27 | sktrdie | Q-FUNK: i cant seem to be able to install gnome 2.10 with debian |
| 21:30.31 | sktrdie | Im under 2.8.3 now |
| 21:30.39 | sktrdie | how do I update to 2.10 |
| 21:31.10 | Q-FUNK | sktrdie: ideed so, because we are first waiting for the new libc and the new x.org to make it into testing. |
| 21:31.50 | Q-FUNK | then gnome 2.10 (currently in unstable, but partially broken) will finish building and drop into testing. |
| 21:32.02 | sktrdie | I see |
| 21:32.20 | sktrdie | you know, I basically never tried installing from source directly |
| 21:32.25 | sktrdie | always used some packagin system |
| 21:32.37 | sktrdie | do you think its good if I try installing gnome 2.12 from source? |
| 21:33.16 | Q-FUNK | not a good idea |
| 21:33.34 | Q-FUNK | anyhow, best ask on irc.gnome.org #debian-gnome |
| 21:34.07 | sktrdie | why not good idea? |
| 21:34.19 | sktrdie | for example, I always wanted to download the program f-spot |
| 21:34.21 | Q-FUNK | but basically, I'd say we should get libc and x.org into testing in about 1 week from now, unless new RC bugs creep up before then. |
| 21:34.22 | sktrdie | for my pictures |
| 21:34.25 | sktrdie | so I go and do |
| 21:34.28 | sktrdie | apt-get install f-spot |
| 21:34.48 | sktrdie | but its full of broken packages |
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| 21:34.50 | sktrdie | unmet dependecies |
| 21:34.53 | sktrdie | and cant isntall it |
| 21:34.59 | Q-FUNK | so basically, gnome 2.10 should be into testing within the next 2 weeks, I'd say |
| 21:36.26 | sktrdie | Q-FUNK: why is it up to Debian to put the release inside each category? |
| 21:36.40 | Q-FUNK | come again? |
| 21:36.45 | sktrdie | I mean if an app is unstable and full of bugs its the project responsability to check |
| 21:36.57 | sktrdie | not debians |
| 21:37.02 | Q-FUNK | unstable is exactly that: unstable. |
| 21:37.35 | sktrdie | so 2.10 is actually buggy? |
| 21:37.44 | sktrdie | on gnome.org it is released |
| 21:38.25 | Q-FUNK | no, but unstable tends to be in a constant of flux, so it's to be expected that dependencies might sometimes be broken |
| 21:39.16 | sktrdie | for example what would you do if you wanted to install "f-spot"? |
| 21:40.42 | Q-FUNK | I would not. |
| 21:40.58 | Q-FUNK | or if I really must, then I would build from the debian source package |
| 21:42.03 | curby | i tried looking for info on mac minis+lmsensors and i don't think it works. if anyone knows otherwise, please let me know! |
| 21:42.34 | sktrdie | Q-FUNK: what do you mean build from debian package? |
| 21:47.06 | Q-FUNK | do you have lines starting with deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:54.14 | Q-FUNK | sktrdie: man apt-get |
| 21:56.08 | sktrdie | yea i do have them |
| 22:09.13 | Q-FUNK | ok, so man apt-get |
| 22:09.22 | Q-FUNK | check the options for apt-get source |
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| 23:17.33 | Shadowpillar | know if a powermac 8500 would support IDE if I plugged in an ide controller? |
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| 23:37.55 | dead-alive | does someone own a rs6000 43p-150? |
| 23:45.18 | cappicard | hmm... oddly the passwd deb is not wanting to install on my sarge installation |
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