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| 00:11.39 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 00:11.55 | dodgyville | I have a mac game (Victoria), can I get it to run on my linux ibook? |
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| 00:15.02 | chrisa | You likely don't |
| 00:17.02 | dodgyville | What about getting pc games to run? Has anyone had any success with darwine? |
| 00:23.19 | demon | er... you're not going to be running PC games on a PPC system |
| 00:23.52 | demon | I don't care how fast it is... unless you can time travel 5 years into the future and bring back a super-fast PPC-based system, you're not going to have a system fast enough |
| 00:24.46 | demon | the overhead of emulation is far too high |
| 00:25.57 | dodgyville | demon: :( |
| 00:41.08 | the-dead | are there netboot images for ppc chrp for debian rescue systems? |
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| 05:01.17 | zero-1 | hello |
| 05:01.46 | zero-1 | excuse me how do i configure a lucent orinoco gold pcmcia wireless card on debian 3.0 r5 woody? |
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| 05:12.26 | zero-1 | any idea? |
| 05:14.33 | zero-1 | how can i mount a mac partition? |
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| 08:26.22 | owl | hi. |
| 08:40.21 | owl | is it somehow possible to install debian-ppc on an ibm rs/6000 43p-150? |
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| 09:24.06 | ptitlouis | hi Subdino |
| 09:25.58 | Subdino | :) |
| 09:26.48 | Subdino | I have problems with a brand new ipod : the mouse (ie the Apple Internal Trackpad) doesn't seem to have a driver. |
| 09:27.48 | owl | hi Subdino |
| 09:27.52 | owl | , ptitlouis |
| 09:27.53 | Subdino | and another problem with the soundcard, identified as powerbook awacs, only makes sound on the hearphone output - and the mixer has no effect at all |
| 09:28.01 | Subdino | hi owl |
| 09:28.52 | Subdino | PowerMac AWACS, not powerbook |
| 09:28.55 | owl | well. if listing problems: |
| 09:29.22 | owl | i am not able to get my rs/6000 43p-150 booting the install-cd or floppies |
| 09:30.22 | pahartik | Subdino: iPod does have trackpad? |
| 09:30.47 | Subdino | err |
| 09:30.49 | Subdino | ibook |
| 09:37.26 | Subdino | I found something about powerbook touchpad |
| 09:44.12 | pahartik | Subdino: maybe you should try Linux 2.6.13-mm1, it has got something called "apple-usb-touchpad-driver.patch" |
| 09:46.53 | pahartik | Subdino: though my (older) iBook G4 did not like Linux 2.6.13 at all... maybe 2.6.13-mm1 would fix that too :) |
| 09:51.49 | Subdino | thanks |
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| 12:16.14 | grxmrx | hello |
| 12:36.45 | SimonRaven | hi |
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| 12:46.20 | Bor_Ed | afternoon |
| 12:50.27 | SimonRaven | hi Bor_Ed |
| 12:51.16 | Q-FUNK | anybody noticed improvements in ALSA since 2.6.12? |
| 12:51.39 | SimonRaven | no, just your imagination ;p |
| 12:51.59 | SimonRaven | here it's been pretty much the same since .9 |
| 12:54.35 | owl | what the henk must be done to install debian-ppc on a ibm rs/6000 43p-150? |
| 12:54.35 | Bor_Ed | haven't booted the 13rc up yet to check out... though haven't noticed probs with alsa on .12 either |
| 12:54.36 | Bor_Ed | black magic or voodoo |
| 12:55.02 | owl | sigh. and with non-black-magic or voodoo? :) |
| 12:55.19 | Bor_Ed | dunno... maybe some rtfm'ing |
| 12:55.32 | owl | i already did. but iam not able too boot. |
| 12:55.44 | owl | 'boot cdrom' throws an error |
| 12:56.02 | Bor_Ed | you're using chrp boot cd ? |
| 12:56.30 | owl | there is one? ive just downloaded the normal ppc...? |
| 12:56.56 | Bor_Ed | the 'normal' usually is powermacs |
| 12:57.11 | Bor_Ed | hmm, or was that like that on floppies... grmbl |
| 12:57.11 | SimonRaven | differnt beast... |
| 12:57.37 | Bor_Ed | yea, it's like that on boot disks |
| 12:57.39 | SimonRaven | sorry, was lagged, comment was meant for the cd |
| 12:57.55 | Q-FUNK | here, ALSA 1.0.9 (included since 2.6.12, but first tried here on 2.6.13) is the very first one to work for me. |
| 12:57.57 | owl | well. i've found just a topic on mailing-list, but to dead links... |
| 12:58.18 | Q-FUNK | it's not perfect, but I get sound output, which is already a major improvement. |
| 12:58.19 | SimonRaven | yeh, i heard 1.0.9 was going to be rather nice... a lot of fixes |
| 12:58.34 | owl | and. it's possible to boot and install from cd and not over net? |
| 12:58.47 | Bor_Ed | owl: I recall you need to boot off from network to do the install |
| 12:58.54 | Q-FUNK | I have updated my bug report on alsa-project to reflect my current situation. |
| 12:58.59 | SimonRaven | FYI, if you haven't seen this yet, http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/rants/NewOrleansandHurricaneKatrina.html?seemore=y and http://livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ |
| 12:59.10 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 12:59.28 | owl | thats bad. tftp or so needed? |
| 12:59.35 | Q-FUNK | this is the very first time I run a kernel without the old OSS driver. |
| 12:59.37 | Bor_Ed | yup, iirc |
| 12:59.40 | SimonRaven | dhcp+tftp |
| 13:00.00 | Bor_Ed | +nfsd |
| 13:00.11 | owl | urgs. thx. tutorial somewhere? or the usual install-doc? |
| 13:00.30 | SimonRaven | not many updates since last afternoon, needed sleep and did stuff other than update that page. that and the LJ blog should get you going |
| 13:00.31 | Bor_Ed | there is howto online somewhere to install to 43p ... |
| 13:01.01 | owl | yeah. with debian-2.2 :) |
| 13:01.13 | Bor_Ed | it works with 3.1 too |
| 13:01.56 | owl | http://adequat.c2a.fr/linux/howtos/rs6000/ ^- this one? |
| 13:02.12 | Bor_Ed | looks like that |
| 13:02.38 | owl | rist problem: no rescue.bin there. |
| 13:02.59 | Bor_Ed | well, install potato and upgrade to sarge then :) |
| 13:03.10 | owl | nah, thx :) |
| 13:03.21 | Bor_Ed | no biggie |
| 13:03.39 | owl | but would it maybe possible to send the rescue.bin to me, please? |
| 13:04.08 | Bor_Ed | rescue.bin isn't most probably used anymore on sarge |
| 13:04.48 | owl | how is the boot-floppy made, then? |
| 13:05.10 | Bor_Ed | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/main/disks-powerpc/current/chrp/images-1.44/ |
| 13:05.21 | Bor_Ed | by dd'ing it to HD |
| 13:05.25 | Bor_Ed | FD that is |
| 13:05.31 | owl | ok. thx :) |
| 13:05.53 | Bor_Ed | ^ disks are for woody, it's easy to upgrade to sarge after baseinstall is done |
| 13:06.22 | owl | ok. |
| 13:06.23 | owl | so - still netbook :) |
| 13:06.28 | owl | netboot |
| 13:08.07 | Bor_Ed | possibly not... those floppies should boot on chrp boxen |
| 13:08.57 | owl | but woody-cd then is needed i guess? |
| 13:09.06 | SimonRaven | no |
| 13:09.11 | owl | huh? |
| 13:09.35 | SimonRaven | you're booting from floppy, and you can fetch the packages via net |
| 13:09.39 | Bor_Ed | the floppies include base installer... it can install over the net (some 10's of megs of packages) |
| 13:09.56 | owl | i c. |
| 13:10.28 | SimonRaven | b-f has a few features i like that i wish were in d-i, and vice-versa |
| 13:10.53 | SimonRaven | (b-f for those of you who don't know, is woody's installer) |
| 13:11.04 | SimonRaven | (and d-i is sarge's) |
| 13:12.55 | owl | strange names. but - which features eg.? |
| 13:13.24 | SimonRaven | they're code names for releases |
| 13:13.35 | SimonRaven | @sarge |
| 13:13.37 | ravenbird | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about install debian |
| 13:14.44 | SimonRaven | @woody |
| 13:14.45 | ravenbird | woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release (July/2006) |
| 13:15.15 | owl | i meant b-f and d-i and so |
| 13:15.45 | SimonRaven | oh sorry. b-f == boot floppies, d-i == debian-installer |
| 13:16.49 | owl | ok. |
| 13:17.09 | owl | btw, the 'boot floppy' causes me the same error like boot cdrom... :( |
| 13:17.22 | SimonRaven | boot fd |
| 13:18.35 | owl | also no luck |
| 13:18.57 | owl | boot fd |
| 13:19.02 | owl | next line: ok. |
| 13:19.06 | owl | but nothing starts... |
| 13:19.27 | owl | and with cdrom and so: unrecognized client program formatstate not valid" |
| 13:20.14 | Q-FUNK | @etch |
| 13:20.22 | SimonRaven | try bye, with the floppy still in it |
| 13:20.25 | Q-FUNK | :) |
| 13:20.39 | owl | hehe. nah, de floppy _is_inserted :) |
| 13:20.42 | Q-FUNK | @potato |
| 13:20.43 | ravenbird | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. |
| 13:20.54 | owl | it also accesses it... |
| 13:20.54 | Q-FUNK | @slink |
| 13:20.55 | ravenbird | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 13:20.59 | SimonRaven | @etch |
| 13:20.59 | ravenbird | is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 13:21.11 | Q-FUNK | ;) |
| 13:21.17 | SimonRaven | (just added it ;) |
| 13:25.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, no use to mention slink since it didn't have ppc port :) |
| 13:26.02 | SimonRaven | indeed. potato had unofficial ppc support as i recall |
| 13:26.14 | Bor_Ed | naa, full |
| 13:26.38 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 13:58.18 | Q-FUNK | potato was the first to support ppc: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 13:58.35 | Bor_Ed | recalled so too |
| 13:58.42 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to drop by to sauna |
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| 15:23.56 | Bor_Ed | suprise, new build of X for a change in sid |
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| 15:33.48 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 15:34.07 | Q-FUNK | x.org is the last item blocking unstable->testing transition of a lot of packages. |
| 15:35.02 | Bor_Ed | well xorg install removed ~half of my apps here... cad and mesa stuff |
| 15:37.40 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 15:38.22 | Bor_Ed | got to clean up the HD soon anyway, buggr have only 300 megs free in /usr currently |
| 15:39.03 | Bor_Ed | do the peecee pata/sata cards work in macs without issues or do they need FCODE roms too ? |
| 16:12.04 | demon | you only need an fcode ROM if you're going to use it to host your boot device |
| 16:12.14 | demon | once the OS is booted, it doesn't really matter anymore |
| 16:14.57 | Bor_Ed | so I still need scsi/ide disk on the boards connector... |
| 16:15.22 | Bor_Ed | buggr, I was hoping to get some 80-120G sata disk to this box as only drive |
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| 18:20.51 | sktrdie | yoyoyoy |
| 18:20.58 | sktrdie | got my DWL 122 working finally |
| 18:21.01 | sktrdie | awesome |
| 18:21.25 | pahartik | sktrdie: very good |
| 18:23.58 | sktrdie | yea pahartik :P |
| 18:24.12 | sktrdie | do you have apowerbook? |
| 18:25.54 | pahartik | sktrdie: my portable workstation is iBook G4 |
| 18:27.06 | sktrdie | with Linux? |
| 18:28.02 | pahartik | sktrdie: Linux 2.6.12 with Debian GNU system around it |
| 18:28.36 | sktrdie | what graphic card do you have? |
| 18:30.57 | pahartik | sktrdie: on-board framebuffer is "ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 M9+" |
| 18:31.40 | sktrdie | lucky |
| 18:31.49 | sktrdie | do you have 3d acceleration |
| 18:31.50 | sktrdie | also |
| 18:31.51 | sktrdie | right? |
| 18:31.52 | sktrdie | dri |
| 18:32.07 | sktrdie | that's soo much better |
| 18:34.21 | pahartik | sktrdie: i think so, but i do not run anything that uses 3D rendering... |
| 18:39.28 | pahartik | sktrdie: as long as 2D and MPEG-2 decoding (most from DVB, some from DVD) works efficiently, i am quite happy |
| 18:42.48 | sktrdie | well |
| 18:42.48 | sktrdie | I think DRI is very important |
| 18:43.09 | sktrdie | I like smooth graphics and fast scrolling |
| 18:44.37 | owl | re |
| 18:46.31 | _rene_ | yes, but you've choosen no-DRI youself my buying a powerbook ;) |
| 18:47.08 | sktrdie | _rene_ of course whe I bought it I didnt even know what Linux was |
| 18:49.06 | pahartik | sktrdie: i bought my iBook G4 for Linux workstation... |
| 18:57.01 | pahartik | _rene_: current iBook G4 would have newer Bluetooth and graphics hardware and other nice things... but things like graphics hardware might not be supported soon by Linux |
| 18:58.07 | _rene_ | I have the last generation. not the current one |
| 19:03.40 | pahartik | _rene_: did you try Linux 2.6.13 already? |
| 19:04.17 | _rene_ | no, not yet |
| 19:06.21 | pahartik | _rene_: it failed for me... Linux 2.6.12 is stable |
| 19:15.00 | sktrdie | what desktop environments do you guys use? |
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| 19:21.07 | pahartik | sktrdie: "XFCE" on iBook G4, "pwm" on other workstations, "GNOME" if workstation does have huge amount of spare RAM and CPU resources |
| 19:22.25 | sktrdie | pahartik: I've basically tried many, and all I know is that graphically GNOME is the best, never tried Xfce though |
| 19:22.42 | sktrdie | pahartik: But I really dont know which is really the best in terms of code |
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| 19:25.41 | sktrdie | what do you think? |
| 19:25.47 | sktrdie | for example comparing GTK with Qt |
| 19:26.00 | sktrdie | for me GTK is much better because its nicer |
| 19:26.06 | sktrdie | but I dunno |
| 19:26.13 | sktrdie | maybe Qt is actually better code |
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| 19:32.12 | pahartik | sktrdie: i prefer GTK... |
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| 22:38.14 | black_Nightmare | any of you know where the site is for Quik? I can't find it heh :-S :-P |
| 22:42.05 | black_Nightmare | nevermind |
| 22:42.09 | black_Nightmare | another time perhaps |
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| 23:16.44 | JimButton | hi, i have strange problems with kernel 2.6.12.5 on an ibook. sometimes (rarely, but still very annoying) the ibook turns itself off immediately. after reboot, there is nothing enlightening in the logfiles at all |
| 23:17.43 | JimButton | also, i have an external USB hard drive, and it seems that connecting/disconnecting/suspending still cause trouble, so that sometimes i have to reboot it to have it recognize the USB drive again |
| 23:18.03 | JimButton | also, rescan-scsi-bus killed my machine at least once, and landed me in xmon another time |
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| 23:26.00 | Patrick` | anyone know of a memory testing utility like memtest86, but for powerpc? |
| 23:26.12 | Patrick` | "putting the sticks in an x86 box" isn't an option |
| 23:51.50 | SimonRaven | @tell Patrick` -about search |
| 23:52.00 | SimonRaven | JimButton: try .13 |
| 23:54.20 | Patrick` | if it were that simple, I would have done it |
| 23:54.22 | Patrick` | christ |
| 23:56.37 | SimonRaven | it is |
| 23:57.23 | Patrick` | anyway, I wasn't abusing the bots |
| 23:57.55 | SimonRaven | who said you were? and it seems it was pulled from sid |
| 23:58.06 | SimonRaven | there *was* one, called memtest |
| 23:58.35 | Patrick` | yeah, won't get all of it |
| 23:58.43 | Patrick` | thinking more boot floppy |
| 23:58.51 | JimButton | SimonRaven: i will, at some point. i wondered if there are any known problems like that |
| 23:59.01 | Patrick` | but of course, because of the ... interesting ... history of floppes on mac |
| 23:59.07 | Patrick` | I didn't have much hope |
| 23:59.29 | SimonRaven | you'd have to custom build d-i |