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| 05:55.32 | grendelll | Hmm. |
| 05:56.30 | grendelll | The DVD iso file says 4.3G on the site, and downloads to a 337MB file. |
| 05:56.35 | grendelll | Is something amiss? |
| 05:57.37 | tcsetattr | sounds like it. |
| 05:57.37 | tcsetattr | what site is that? |
| 05:57.46 | grendelll | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/iso-dvd/ |
| 06:05.32 | grendelll | Any ideas? |
| 06:05.46 | tcsetattr | what happens if you try a resume download? |
| 06:05.49 | grendelll | I've only found the DVD isos on one other server, and they too have been ~370 MB |
| 06:06.10 | grendelll | It still says the same small filesize. |
| 06:06.12 | tcsetattr | 370M is a weird number, not a normal file size barrier |
| 06:06.25 | tcsetattr | did you run out of disk space? quota? |
| 06:06.29 | grendelll | Nope. |
| 06:06.34 | grendelll | 25GB free. |
| 06:06.52 | tcsetattr | what are you using to download it? tried wget? |
| 06:07.02 | grendelll | I'm not in linux right now, I'm in Windows. |
| 06:07.22 | grendelll | I'm trying to download it to put onto a DVD and install on my PowerBook. |
| 06:08.12 | tcsetattr | so you're downloading with wget.exe then :) |
| 06:08.36 | grendelll | Firefox. |
| 06:08.37 | grendelll | :\ |
| 06:10.27 | tcsetattr | hmm... you are not alone. |
| 06:10.53 | tcsetattr | I created a 380M file full of zeros and tried a resume, and it said there was nothing more to get... |
| 06:11.11 | wart | Try using a decent download tool ;) |
| 06:11.33 | tcsetattr | the actual file size is 353,572,864 on the server |
| 06:11.41 | tcsetattr | the directory listing says 4.3G for some odd reason, but it's lying |
| 06:12.08 | grendelll | Yeah, it's like that across every server I've tried thusfar. |
| 06:14.03 | grendelll | And I've tried every server that has the powerpc tree. |
| 06:14.36 | tcsetattr | although HEAD says the file is about DVD-sized |
| 06:17.54 | grendelll | ./shrug |
| 06:17.57 | grendelll | I don't know. |
| 06:20.45 | wart | This might be a cool trick to force people using jigdo instead of direct ISO fetching :) |
| 06:21.51 | grendelll | I'm up for any form of installing, as long as it's newbie friendly. |
| 06:23.47 | tcsetattr | oh I just noticed that 353572864 is the actual file size - 2**32 |
| 06:23.51 | wart | grendelll: Well, jigdo isn't actually a method of installation -- it's rather a method of downloading ISOs by fetching packages from nearest mirrors and cooking .iso locally. |
| 06:23.59 | tcsetattr | so it appears to be a wget bug on my end, and a Firefox bug on your end. |
| 06:24.26 | tcsetattr | I'm a little surprised that such a bug would still be hanging around, but I guess people don't often try to download 4 gigs in a single file |
| 06:25.09 | tcsetattr | I also discovered that apparently tcpick doesn't work on ppc (?) |
| 06:25.29 | grendelll | wtf, now playing? |
| 06:25.31 | grendelll | it shouldn't be doing that. |
| 06:26.13 | wart | tcsetattr: wget did not have largefile support until pretty recent times. |
| 06:26.24 | grendelll | Yeah, I saw that older versions of wget would have problems with it. |
| 06:26.31 | grendelll | I'll try using the downloader that debian recommended. |
| 06:26.35 | tcsetattr | and sarge isn't from recent times? |
| 06:27.00 | wart | And there also are some problem with apache and large files :) |
| 06:27.04 | wart | problems |
| 06:28.14 | grendelll | hmm, yeah, this third-party downloader is working |
| 06:28.24 | grendelll | showing the correct 4.3GB size |
| 06:29.34 | wart | grendelll: Which one? |
| 06:31.03 | grendelll | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-powerpc-binary-1.iso and http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/powerpc/iso-dvd/debian-31r0a-powerpc-binary-2.iso |
| 06:31.12 | grendelll | Or do you mean third-party downloader? |
| 06:31.20 | wart | downloader |
| 06:31.30 | grendelll | The downloader I'm using is Debian's recommend "FreshDownload" on Windows XP. |
| 06:31.35 | wart | Ah. |
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| 06:33.26 | deadcat | i cant get that stupid signature for ppc mplayer.. anyone? |
| 06:34.44 | tcsetattr | signature? |
| 06:40.15 | deadcat | apt secure thing |
| 06:40.56 | deadcat | W: GPG error: http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de mplayer/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BDCE3370C88CEDF6 |
| 06:43.53 | tcsetattr | hmm... I found the bug in tcpick |
| 06:44.06 | tcsetattr | one of them at least |
| 06:44.24 | deadcat | ? |
| 06:44.51 | tcsetattr | hey, now querybts is crashing on me! what a day |
| 06:45.00 | deadcat | what? |
| 06:45.32 | tcsetattr | sory I don't know about your mplayer thing. I compile mine directly from the official tarball |
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| 08:29.26 | callipygous | anybody seen sn9? |
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| 09:21.28 | michal` | hey, i'm having troubles seting X up |
| 09:21.45 | michal` | already have working configurtion file |
| 09:21.54 | michal` | and can start by issuing XFree86 |
| 09:22.29 | michal` | but startx is not going to work - well, it does start X, i cna see that famous cross for a little while but after a second or two it goes back to console |
| 09:23.04 | michal` | i have "exec wmaker&" in .xinitrc |
| 09:23.09 | michal` | and path properly beeing set up |
| 09:23.25 | michal` | there is no errors message from x |
| 09:26.30 | callipygous | just try putting /usr/X11R6/bin/wmaker in .xinitrc |
| 09:26.49 | callipygous | anybody here seen sn9? Or able to tell me why netatalk is so shit slow for me? |
| 09:29.10 | michal` | not that it would help |
| 09:32.26 | pahartik | michal`: if you append "sleep 120" as last line of "~/.xsession" and make it executable? |
| 09:32.59 | pahartik | michal`: does it then stay up for 120 seconds? |
| 09:34.03 | michal` | ok, it helped, thx. but i've been always doing exec path_to_wmaker & |
| 09:34.05 | michal` | anyway, thx |
| 09:35.43 | pahartik | michal`: if you want to run "wmaker" as window manager, you probably should have it executed as last process from "~/.xsession"... |
| 09:38.17 | pahartik | michal`: if it is put to background with "&", "X11 server" exits immediately... if it is on foreground, "X11 server" will run until "wmaker" exits |
| 09:42.37 | michal` | i see |
| 09:42.57 | michal` | ok, wmaker is my backup wm. |
| 09:43.27 | michal` | how do i install some fresh kde ? apt-get install kde is not going to work |
| 09:43.35 | michal` | well, it looks like dependencies are not right |
| 09:43.57 | michal` | hm, now it does ;p |
| 09:45.42 | pahartik | michal`: "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" :) |
| 09:45.56 | michal` | hehe, got used to kde |
| 09:46.32 | pahartik | michal`: oh, that other environment... |
| 09:47.11 | michal` | not the other, THE environment ;p |
| 09:49.14 | _rene_ | nope. |
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| 09:59.05 | snaund | is there a recommended technique for setting up a debian/osx dual boot system? e.g., in which order does one install? |
| 09:59.22 | _rene_ | osx, then debian |
| 10:00.05 | snaund | heh, I was thinking the reverse - glad I asked! |
| 10:00.31 | snaund | so, I just need to figure out how to get the osx installer to leave unpartitioned space |
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| 10:01.14 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 10:01.20 | xLobeznox | some one here using gnome? |
| 10:01.35 | snaund | yes |
| 10:01.46 | xLobeznox | do you have beagle installed? |
| 10:01.53 | xLobeznox | I can find it inx86 but not in ppc |
| 10:03.16 | snaund | http://packages.debian.org/beagle - i386 and amd64 only, apparently |
| 10:03.28 | xLobeznox | thanks |
| 10:04.14 | xLobeznox | do you have mono installed |
| 10:04.31 | snaund | not that I know of |
| 10:04.36 | xLobeznox | have you got mono installed on your system |
| 10:04.39 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 10:18.34 | snaund | _rene_: righto, I found the partitioning thing in the osx installer - are there any particular constraints I need to be aware of? I'm thinking of creating linux swap, linux root, and osx partitions, in that order |
| 10:21.12 | _rene_ | I#d just do osx |
| 10:21.17 | _rene_ | and do the rest from d-i |
| 10:21.25 | _rene_ | don't forget the apple bootstrap partition |
| 10:22.01 | snaund | how big/where does the bootstrap partition need to be? |
| 10:22.29 | _rene_ | why can't people read docs.... |
| 10:22.46 | _rene_ | /dev/hda2 Apple_Bootstrap BOOT 1954 @ 96206912 (977.0k) NewWorld bootblock |
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| 11:09.06 | callipygous | anybody here know netatalk? |
| 11:12.55 | _rene_ | depends on how you define "know" |
| 11:15.50 | callipygous | able to help |
| 11:20.41 | snaund | hmm, i had an encounter with netatalk at a previous job |
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| 11:21.11 | Q-FUNK | must have been an encounter of the tard type. ;) |
| 11:21.11 | callipygous | im finding it really really slow |
| 11:21.18 | callipygous | copying files is fine... |
| 11:21.29 | Q-FUNK | callipygous: not surprising. |
| 11:21.35 | callipygous | but working with remote files is slooow |
| 11:21.49 | callipygous | like watching a small video, its skipps |
| 11:23.27 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 11:23.51 | callipygous | yup what? |
| 11:24.02 | callipygous | is that the best I can expect from it? |
| 11:24.28 | Q-FUNK | pretty muc so, as far as I can remember. |
| 11:24.51 | demon | anyone know if anyone has, or is working on firefox 1.5b1 packages for debian ppc? |
| 11:25.06 | snaund | my experience was quite positive - why dont you try vmstat & suchlike to see what the bottleneck is |
| 11:27.59 | callipygous | hmm how does that work? |
| 11:28.39 | callipygous | i have no idea how it works, never really got into benchamrking and such |
| 11:29.20 | callipygous | I remember I used netatalk once before, and I was some how able to mount apple volumes on linux... |
| 11:29.26 | callipygous | forgotten how :( |
| 11:30.01 | demon | probably the old, now very broken afpfs stuff |
| 11:30.35 | callipygous | doesn't work anymore? :S |
| 11:30.37 | callipygous | gr |
| 11:30.48 | demon | hasn't worked since 2.0.x |
| 11:31.00 | demon | there was a half-assed port to 2.2.x |
| 11:31.05 | demon | and then it just died |
| 11:31.24 | callipygous | oh, that machine is running freebsd :S |
| 11:32.11 | callipygous | oh man this is hard, I wonder where sn9 is he knows his shit |
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| 12:05.37 | niksie | Hi all |
| 12:06.33 | niksie | I was wondering, does anyone know a way to use OF to completely deactivate an ibook's built in HD? |
| 12:07.08 | callipygous | nope |
| 12:07.09 | niksie | the HD that's built in is FUBAR and the computer doesn't even get to the firewire driving when pressing alt during boot. |
| 12:07.11 | callipygous | Ive heard of it happening |
| 12:07.30 | callipygous | usually after somebody fscks around with linux :S |
| 12:08.00 | callipygous | perhaps they/you deleted something in fdisk that mac os needs ... |
| 12:08.48 | niksie | no, its a HW problem |
| 12:08.58 | niksie | I think the disk just says that its going to send some data, but never does |
| 12:09.13 | niksie | If at all possible, I would just disconnect the HD, but thats quite a bit of work |
| 12:09.28 | niksie | though I've considered stabbing it with a knife right through the plastic casing :) |
| 12:09.44 | niksie | I've decided against that though |
| 12:11.02 | niksie | hmmm |
| 12:12.12 | demon | can you just drop to OF, and use OF commands to find the disk on the firewire bus and boot it? |
| 12:12.51 | niksie | yeah |
| 12:12.54 | niksie | that would work |
| 12:15.12 | demon | 'dev fw ls' and follow the tree down |
| 12:18.53 | callipygous | what are you trying then mount -t ext2fs ? |
| 12:19.04 | callipygous | -o rw |
| 12:21.01 | niksie | demon: then what? /me is rather unfamiliar with FO |
| 12:22.07 | niksie | hmm, I typed boot and then the address on the bottom line, and it ended up with a "no parking" sign |
| 12:50.52 | callipygous | did sn9 drop off the earth? :( |
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| 13:12.17 | TTimoT | lo. anyone here got a 2.6.13 + latest swsuspend 2 patch compiled and booted properly ? |
| 13:12.40 | TTimoT | didn't boot here, so I'm back to 2.6.12 |
| 13:13.44 | pahartik | TTimoT: on iBook G4? |
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| 13:28.13 | TTimoT | pahartik, yes |
| 13:29.07 | TTimoT | you sound like you know something :) |
| 13:31.01 | pahartik | TTimoT: i tried Linux 2.6.13 and it did not boot on iBook G4... still running Linux 2.6.12 |
| 13:32.09 | pahartik | TTimoT: i think latest PowerBook G4 had the same problem |
| 13:34.00 | TTimoT | ah |
| 13:34.01 | TTimoT | ok |
| 13:34.12 | TTimoT | a stock 2.6.13 though? |
| 13:34.23 | pahartik | TTimoT: yes |
| 13:34.35 | TTimoT | you didn't apply swsuspend patch. so I can assume it's kernel source problem |
| 13:34.54 | TTimoT | I had to disable one fb module that wouldn't compile also |
| 13:35.11 | TTimoT | but it didn't look like one that was needed |
| 13:39.07 | pahartik | TTimoT: but problem is not very big, as Linux 2.6.12 works so well... |
| 13:41.03 | pahartik | TTimoT: no idea if some version 2.6.12.x broke it or is it only 2.6.13 problem |
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| 18:02.47 | alberto | hi |
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| 20:48.47 | jnc | new EMILE version |
| 20:48.50 | jnc | i'm sooo trying it |
| 20:49.07 | jnc | anyone else with mac-68k? |
| 20:55.28 | sloopy | jnc: yeah but my Q800 usually just sits, waiting for me to get time :'/ |
| 21:00.54 | jnc | :) |
| 21:01.11 | jnc | new version of EMILE supports editing the kernel parameters before booting |
| 21:01.15 | jnc | that's pretty hot i think |
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| 23:14.04 | SimonRaven | what's emile? |