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| 07:37.02 | TwistedEmotions | airport extreme card doest work on linux? |
| 07:37.04 | TwistedEmotions | wtf? |
| 07:37.16 | TwistedEmotions | Are they planning on supporting anytime soon? |
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| 07:42.22 | SimonRaven | no |
| 07:42.44 | SimonRaven | i hate it when someone asks a question, then leaves |
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| 07:46.38 | AndrewLee | svenl: I think mouseemu is blocked my alt, so that means it's working, but I have missed configuration. :( |
| 07:47.11 | AndrewLee | Does anyone has successed setup mouseemu and would like to show me the configuration file? |
| 07:47.35 | svenl | AndrewLee: maybe you should file a bug report against mouseemu about your problem ? This should work out of the box. |
| 07:49.44 | AndrewLee | svenl: Hum...I want to confirm before file a bug report obtrusively |
| 07:50.59 | svenl | AndrewLee: nope. |
| 07:51.07 | svenl | AndrewLee: best way never to get the solution fixed. |
| 07:52.08 | AndrewLee | svenl: what do you mean? |
| 07:53.17 | svenl | AndrewLee: why be shy and not submit bug reports ? you have a problem, you submit a bug report to help others with similar problems. |
| 07:53.44 | svenl | The maintainer probably knows more than you, and may hint at the fix, and you an always propose a patch or more info as a follow up. |
| 07:57.02 | AndrewLee | svenl: Cause I installed a wrong package for touchpad before I tried the mouseemu. So I just want to remove both of them and reinstall mouseemu again for confirmation to save sometime for maintainer. |
| 07:57.36 | AndrewLee | svenl: If it's still doesn't work, of cause I should send a bug report. |
| 07:57.46 | svenl | AndrewLee: it is more important to get the bug report done, and the issue documented, than save sometime for the maintainer. |
| 07:58.05 | svenl | AndrewLee: if nothing else it will help someone with the same problem as you. |
| 08:00.11 | AndrewLee | svenl: If this is true, I have many bugs have to filed. |
| 08:00.33 | svenl | AndrewLee: so file them :) |
| 08:01.18 | svenl | AndrewLee: debian should work out of the box, without need for thousdands of "how to install debian/sarge on ,y ibook" kind of docu,ents, if it does not, a bug report should be filled. |
| 08:01.20 | AndrewLee | I usually found one package broken another package, and then I don't know which package should get the bug report. |
| 08:02.05 | AndrewLee | so I usually have to remove one of them to get the package works. |
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| 10:49.20 | mort__ | did someone get the airport extreme to work with debian? |
| 10:51.53 | grivell | mort_: No. |
| 10:52.11 | grivell | apt, airport extreme |
| 10:52.15 | apt | well, airport extreme is crap. Get a D-Link DWL-122 which is Linux compatible. |
| 10:52.56 | mort_ | I have a DWL 122. and it's crap, too. |
| 10:53.23 | mort_ | I don't wnat that thing sticking out all the time, I think I'll break it... |
| 10:54.03 | grivell | How is it crap? WFM :) |
| 10:55.02 | grivell | ahh brb. Amarok mp3 problem needing fixing. |
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| 11:53.24 | _rene_ | mort_: complain at broadcom for not providing a driver nor specs |
| 11:53.51 | _rene_ | mort_: although that won't help since many people already do and they don't do anything |
| 11:54.24 | demon | well, we're just customers of customers |
| 11:54.32 | demon | they don't sell cards, they just sell chips |
| 11:55.01 | demon | and as long as their customers (the hardware manufacturers) keep buying unabated... well, you do the math |
| 11:55.08 | _rene_ | but the chip is what is important here and they can give out the chip spec |
| 11:55.37 | demon | yeah, and they've given assorted (debatably valid) reasons why they won't |
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| 11:56.28 | demon | and it's not affecting their bottom line... so leaving it at that is easiest for them |
| 11:56.50 | _rene_ | jup :/ |
| 11:57.09 | _rene_ | and as the mac os users don't complain too because mac os has a driver for it... |
| 11:57.47 | _rene_ | (obviously, otherwise the AP Extreme wouldn't make sense) |
| 11:57.52 | demon | right |
| 11:58.06 | demon | and linux on PPC users are a minority |
| 11:58.38 | demon | and since apple's going to begin the transition to x86 soon, it's a minority with an approaching expiration date |
| 11:59.14 | _rene_ | I disagree |
| 11:59.21 | _rene_ | apple's not the only ppc manufacturer |
| 11:59.37 | demon | no, but the only one that ships with wireless networking and such built in |
| 11:59.39 | _rene_ | although the biggest and most known, though |
| 11:59.50 | demon | not even the biggest |
| 12:00.00 | demon | just the biggest in desktop computing |
| 12:00.36 | demon | there's lots more PPC/Power in embedded and higher-end workstation/server systems |
| 12:01.03 | demon | but it's an expiration date from the POV of e.g., Broadcom |
| 12:02.07 | demon | then the whole universe they care about for their wireless stuff will be x86 |
| 12:02.47 | demon | or embedded, in which case non-public docs are really not going to substantially affect them either |
| 12:03.35 | demon | in any case, broadcom is going to see fewer reasons to care |
| 12:04.26 | _rene_ | well, if more people would buy the current ibooks apple will buy more chips so broadcom may have a reason |
| 12:04.42 | _rene_ | and I know many people who would buy one but does not because of "no wlan" |
| 12:04.50 | _rene_ | s/does/do/ |
| 12:05.51 | _rene_ | (at least that's the though I have, not knowing what broadcom/apple do.) |
| 12:06.41 | demon | their thought is "you'll buy what we sell and use it how we say, until we say it's no longer current, then you'll buy our next thing" |
| 12:07.14 | demon | obviously linux/ppc users have never cared about that :) |
| 12:15.22 | pahartik | demon: i did care about it |
| 12:40.06 | mort_ | _rene_, demon, pahartik: I'm not tlaking about a native linux driver. I'm dreaming of that MOL-hack which gentoo user can enjoy |
| 13:01.04 | demon | can't you use that now? |
| 13:01.25 | demon | I mean, obviously it's a little more involved than a native driver, but I'm pretty sure the patch is out there |
| 13:16.13 | mort_ | well, I tried. but I won't get it to compile |
| 13:16.24 | mort_ | (MOL+pci register patch) |
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| 13:52.25 | demon | does the patch actually apply cleanly? or is it supposed to be against MOL cvs (or whatever revision control system it's in, I have no idea)? |
| 13:53.05 | _rene_ | bk :/ |
| 13:53.09 | demon | gentoo is famous for making "ebuild" descriptions against prerelease versions of software that no one else is brave (or whacked) enough to use |
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| 13:59.29 | mort_ | demon: I tried different patches and versions of MOL. I even stole the gentoo source before it went to compiling |
| 14:00.17 | grivell | mort_: MOL not working for you? |
| 14:01.48 | mort_ | grivell: MOL from stable works, self compiled stuff doesn't |
| 14:02.30 | grivell | The modules? Or the whole app? |
| 14:05.56 | mort_ | The whole app... I think. Can't try it now unfortunately |
| 14:07.21 | grivell | If you have G5 it won't work anyway. MOL is for G3-G4. |
| 14:08.29 | grivell | You only need to compiled the module sources (AFAIK). It has been a long time since I messed with mol. |
| 14:09.54 | grivell | Got it running right now. Just modules need compiling. |
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| 14:25.58 | mort_ | grivell: it's G4. and it runs.. perfect. just without the cool patch |
| 14:25.59 | grivell | cool patch? |
| 14:39.43 | demon | the PCI register patch he's talking about |
| 14:40.28 | demon | the one that lets you use the airport express card from inside MOL, so you can route traffic into MOL and get wireless access with an airport express on linux even though there's no native driver |
| 14:40.53 | svenl | hi all. |
| 14:41.17 | svenl | anyone familiar with MOL compilation ? I am trying to build new debian MOL packages, and they are rather broken. |
| 14:41.44 | svenl | I fixed a couple of problems, mostly gcc-4.0 related, but am now faced with : |
| 14:42.09 | svenl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.12 | svenl | /home/sven/debian/mol/mol-modules-2.6.12-0.9.70+2.6.12+1/modules/mol-powerpc/src/kmod/Linux/../build/entry.S: Messages de l'assembleur: |
| 14:42.15 | svenl | /home/sven/debian/mol/mol-modules-2.6.12-0.9.70+2.6.12+1/modules/mol-powerpc/src/kmod/Linux/../build/entry.S:58: ERREUR: trop d'arguments positionnels |
| 14:42.18 | svenl | /home/sven/debian/mol/mol-modules-2.6.12-0.9.70+2.6.12+1/modules/mol-powerpc/src/kmod/Linux/../build/splitmode.S:348: ERREUR: trop d'arguments positionnels |
| 14:42.22 | svenl | make[3]: *** [/home/sven/debian/mol/mol-modules-2.6.12-0.9.70+2.6.12+1/modules/mol-powerpc/src/kmod/Linux/../build/_traps.o] Erreur 1 |
| 14:42.25 | svenl | make[2]: *** [_module_/home/sven/debian/mol/mol-modules-2.6.12-0.9.70+2.6.12+1/modules/mol-powerpc/src/kmod/Linux/../build] Erreur 2 |
| 14:42.31 | svenl | The lines are rather harmless : |
| 14:42.44 | svenl | LOADI r3,MSR_ME | MSR_IR | MSR_DR | MSR_PR | MSR_EE |
| 14:42.57 | svenl | and : |
| 14:42.59 | svenl | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.34 | svenl | this doesn't strike as warranting that kind of error messages, the english translation is : Error: too many positional arguments |
| 14:44.11 | grivell | svenl: You uploaded mol-modules-2.6.12 right? |
| 14:45.03 | mort_ | svenl: does that include the pci registers access patch? |
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| 15:02.48 | svenl | grivell: sure, but it is broken. The build failed silently and didn't include any modules. |
| 15:03.03 | svenl | grivell: i am fixing this now, since nobody seemed to take over after Jens's death. |
| 15:03.15 | svenl | mort_: how should i know, i have no real interest in mol. |
| 15:03.35 | svenl | mort_: you are free to submitch patches, or even better, help co-maintaining it. |
| 15:06.12 | mort_ | svenl: I'll see what I can do when I'm at home |
| 15:07.02 | svenl | mort_: |
| 15:07.06 | svenl | mort_: thanks. |
| 15:07.26 | svenl | mort_: i will upload my current stuff to http://people.debian.org/~luther/mol. |
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| 17:22.41 | grivell | svenl: http://arrakin.homedns.org/~nicolas/mol-0.9.70_sk_alloc_2.6.12.diff for kernel 2.6.12 + |
| 17:22.47 | grivell | http://lists.maconlinux.org/pipermail/mol-general/2005-September/003854.html |
| 17:25.20 | svenl | grivell: i enabled this, sure, i work with Nicolas, so i knew about it before he posted. |
| 17:31.01 | grivell | ahh ok. Just trying to help. Wish I could program in anything non-Pascal. |
| 17:31.15 | grivell | Or fully understood 'make'. |
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| 20:10.26 | svenl | hi Q-FUNK |
| 20:10.32 | svenl | Q-FUNK: how is your mac going ? |
| 20:11.50 | Q-FUNK | svenl: xorg, you mean? fixed since the manual configuration, thanks :) |
| 20:12.45 | Q-FUNK | svenl: it really seems to be a problem with the migration scripts |
| 20:13.15 | Q-FUNK | svenl: after I did a dpkg-reconfigure, it worked well |
| 20:15.06 | svenl | cool. |
| 20:15.52 | Q-FUNK | still does too. I'm using it right now. :) |
| 20:16.31 | Q-FUNK | thanks for the help in figuring out where the bug might be. |
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| 20:38.15 | onzi | when i make "startx" i have this error: (EE)R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS , (EE)R128(0): NO DFP Detected ... i have ati rage 128 . need help |
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| 21:05.11 | onzi | ,,, |
| 21:06.03 | SimonRaven | onzi: does it crash after that? |
| 21:07.25 | onzi | ya |
| 21:08.01 | SimonRaven | afaik it shouldn't, but i'm not sure |
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| 22:24.51 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
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| 22:33.35 | xbaez | someone have sid and apache2 installed? |
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| 23:13.19 | zwox | hello |
| 23:13.30 | zwox | i need help |
| 23:13.36 | zwox | i'm on a powerbook G4 |
| 23:13.47 | zwox | with a debian sid |
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| 23:13.59 | zwox | and i'd like to setup a new kernel |
| 23:14.07 | zwox | i've compiled it |
| 23:14.14 | zwox | but i don't know how to boot it |
| 23:14.27 | zwox | can someone tell me how to edit yaboot please ? |
| 23:15.34 | glm | zwox: run ybin after editing yaboot.conf |
| 23:15.46 | glm | then reboot and enjoy! |
| 23:15.57 | zwox | what's ybin ? |
| 23:16.02 | zwox | how does it work ? |
| 23:16.08 | zwox | i'm newbie on powerbook |
| 23:16.12 | glm | same way as lilo on x86 |
| 23:16.32 | zwox | ok |
| 23:16.44 | zwox | but how to edit yaboot.conf pleae ? |
| 23:16.49 | glm | vi? |
| 23:17.15 | glm | vi /etc/yaboot.conf |
| 23:17.21 | zwox | just to add the line with "image=vmlinuz-2.6.13-powerpc" for example ? |
| 23:17.47 | zwox | yeah i know how to edit y |
| 23:17.54 | glm | no, when you build your own kernel, please read the docs in /usr/src/linux-xxx... (ppc related) |
| 23:17.58 | zwox | but i don't have any idea about what to put in |
| 23:18.20 | glm | a stampa like that: |
| 23:18.20 | glm | image=/boot/k020603 |
| 23:18.20 | glm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.21 | glm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.21 | glm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.21 | glm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.26 | zwox | ho i'm sorry |
| 23:18.29 | glm | but READ THE DOCS |
| 23:18.32 | zwox | i haven't seen this |
| 23:18.41 | glm | otherwise your system is hanging when you have a bad config |
| 23:19.07 | zwox | thank's |
| 23:19.31 | zwox | so i will read the doc that i will found |
| 23:19.38 | glm | sry, can't explain you here what is already published in the docs |
| 23:19.54 | zwox | okay no problem |
| 23:20.24 | zwox | i've just forget to look it |
| 23:20.53 | zwox | but, yeah, i'd better read docs |
| 23:21.01 | zwox | thank's |
| 23:21.14 | zwox | i'm sorry i speak english just a bit |
| 23:21.38 | glm | np |
| 23:21.40 | glm | no problem |
| 23:21.42 | zwox | but i trust i'm understood |
| 23:21.47 | zwox | thank's |
| 23:21.59 | glm | but its important to read some basic documentation before playing around with kernels |
| 23:22.00 | glm | :-) |
| 23:22.08 | zwox | yeah |
| 23:22.16 | zwox | but before to get my powerbook |
| 23:22.34 | zwox | i've already "play" with many kernel on a i386 arch |
| 23:22.37 | zwox | and no problem |
| 23:22.51 | zwox | i successfully compiled and used it |
| 23:23.03 | zwox | but usually use grub |
| 23:23.11 | zwox | and with yaboot |
| 23:23.16 | zwox | i'm a bit lost |
| 23:23.20 | zwox | but |
| 23:23.34 | zwox | i'll work hard to understood |
| 23:23.43 | glm | I see |
| 23:23.43 | zwox | ;-) |
| 23:23.46 | _rene_ | that still belongs to documentation reading ;) |
| 23:23.51 | glm | exactly the same as with x86 |
| 23:24.07 | zwox | i've though that |
| 23:24.10 | _rene_ | before fiddling with kernels and therefore aboot you should read how ;) |
| 23:24.19 | zwox | the compilation isn't the real problem |
| 23:24.21 | _rene_ | s/aboot/yaboot/ |
| 23:24.36 | zwox | just yaboot |
| 23:25.06 | _rene_ | what is the *exact* problem? |
| 23:25.19 | _rene_ | adding something to yaboot is like adding something to lilo/grub.. |
| 23:25.29 | zwox | my problem is booting the kernel |
| 23:25.48 | zwox | i've already copy the zImage as /boot/vmlinuz-xxx |
| 23:26.12 | zwox | but i don't realy understood the command line to add in yaboot |
| 23:26.24 | zwox | with grub i know how to do |
| 23:26.49 | zwox | and i suppose it's the same with grub |
| 23:27.04 | _rene_ | huh? the sections are almost the same |
| 23:27.13 | zwox | i mean i think i just should add the new kernel in boot menu |
| 23:27.21 | _rene_ | what's so hard on that? look at your existing yaboot.conf.. |
| 23:27.23 | zwox | but i don't understand how to do that |
| 23:27.37 | _rene_ | zwox: there is no boot *menu* for the kernels in yaboot |
| 23:27.56 | zwox | i see |
| 23:28.39 | glm | zwox: read the following manpage yaboot.conf(5), the config file is imho self explaining, you have image,label,root... |
| 23:28.57 | zwox | yeah |
| 23:29.00 | zwox | i've done that |
| 23:29.10 | zwox | and write a line like the other |
| 23:29.26 | _rene_ | and then? |
| 23:29.34 | zwox | but i don't have any idea about how to boot it at system start |
| 23:29.36 | zwox | and |
| 23:29.42 | glm | then run ybin |
| 23:29.46 | zwox | i don't know if my line are corrects... |
| 23:29.46 | _rene_ | first, run ybin -v |
| 23:29.51 | zwox | oki |
| 23:29.55 | _rene_ | and on start, enter the name... |
| 23:29.55 | zwox | thanks |
| 23:30.17 | zwox | what do you mean |
| 23:30.28 | zwox | when i see "boot:" |
| 23:30.30 | _rene_ | on the yaboot prompt |
| 23:30.35 | zwox | yeah |
| 23:30.40 | _rene_ | enter the name of the kernel. the label you gave it |
| 23:30.48 | zwox | i just type the kernel name ? |
| 23:30.50 | zwox | okay |
| 23:30.51 | _rene_ | whatever that is |
| 23:31.00 | _rene_ | yes. instead of just <enter> |
| 23:31.09 | zwox | okay |
| 23:31.27 | zwox | i think i understand now |
| 23:31.37 | zwox | i'm on mac OS now |
| 23:31.42 | zwox | but |
| 23:31.49 | zwox | at the next reboot |
| 23:31.52 | zwox | i will try it |
| 23:32.04 | zwox | maybe my line are corrects so |
| 23:32.11 | zwox | great |
| 23:32.29 | zwox | i'm sorry for my english that should be very horrible |
| 23:33.28 | zwox | but great to learn speaking it with debianist ... |
| 23:33.33 | zwox | ;-) |
| 23:33.36 | zwox | so |
| 23:34.05 | zwox | i think i'll try to boot the kernel tomorrow |
| 23:34.11 | zwox | because i'm very tired |
| 23:34.15 | zwox | well |
| 23:34.19 | zwox | good night |
| 23:34.23 | zwox | and thank's a lot |
| 23:34.47 | *** part/#debianppc zwox (n=zwox@ALyon-153-1-36-109.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) |