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| 09:13.35 | lobezno | hi |
| 09:13.41 | lobezno | someone with gnome in a ibook? |
| 09:35.53 | _rene_ | yes. but you proobably mean "on" |
| 09:36.03 | lobezno | ok |
| 09:36.23 | lobezno | i use gnome volume manager and gvm use dbus |
| 09:36.38 | lobezno | if i close my ibook it doesnt returnt from suspend mode |
| 09:36.46 | lobezno | only if i deactivate dbus |
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| 09:47.48 | compguymac | wow, more then i thought, people actually do install debian on apples, haha |
| 09:47.56 | compguymac | i have an ibook G4 12" |
| 09:48.01 | compguymac | looking to do the same |
| 09:48.26 | compguymac | or is anyone awake? |
| 09:49.58 | compguymac | knock knock? |
| 09:55.05 | Active2 | well, I did it yesterday :) |
| 09:55.17 | Active2 | But I needed the ubuntu installer |
| 09:55.18 | pahartik | hello compguymac |
| 09:56.03 | compguymac | hey |
| 09:58.09 | compguymac | no support for the wireless card eh? |
| 09:58.14 | compguymac | ibook g4 |
| 09:59.51 | _rene_ | yes, right |
| 09:59.53 | _rene_ | use a usb one |
| 10:00.21 | compguymac | erm, dam |
| 10:00.31 | compguymac | that sux that there is no driver for it |
| 10:00.57 | compguymac | what about the differences between the i386 and ppc version? |
| 10:01.02 | compguymac | any different looks? |
| 10:01.38 | pahartik | compguymac: both use same Linux kernel source |
| 10:01.42 | compguymac | and how about the video drivers? |
| 10:02.00 | compguymac | is there a problem while installing there? |
| 10:03.56 | _rene_ | there's no binary-only crap for ppc |
| 10:04.08 | _rene_ | i.e. the ati drivers etc |
| 10:04.25 | _rene_ | if you have the older ibooks with the 9200 radeon, you get 3d with xfree86/x.org already |
| 10:04.25 | compguymac | so i will have no xwindows? |
| 10:04.40 | compguymac | im not sure which one i have |
| 10:04.40 | _rene_ | wrt the new 9550 no odea |
| 10:04.46 | compguymac | i got it aobut 4 to 5 months ago |
| 10:04.50 | _rene_ | compguymac: of course it has. we are talking about 3d |
| 10:04.57 | compguymac | o, ic |
| 10:05.32 | _rene_ | compguymac: open your system profiler. if you have 9200 you even get 3d support |
| 10:05.39 | compguymac | and you find debian on the apple better then osx? |
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| 10:06.16 | compguymac | where is system profiler? |
| 10:06.49 | assassin | in the apple menu |
| 10:06.49 | _rene_ | aren't you using mac os currently? |
| 10:07.06 | _rene_ | apple menu -> about my mac (or so) -> open system profiler |
| 10:07.11 | _rene_ | or something like that |
| 10:07.17 | assassin | Isn't it in /proc ;) |
| 10:07.19 | _rene_ | s/my/this/ |
| 10:07.32 | _rene_ | assassin: well, he wants to change to debian |
| 10:07.46 | _rene_ | assassin: so I assume he still is on Mac OS |
| 10:07.47 | assassin | _rene_: It does take a village ;) |
| 10:08.20 | compguymac | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.38 | compguymac | its ati |
| 10:08.41 | _rene_ | don't you have a cleartext name? |
| 10:08.42 | compguymac | of corse |
| 10:08.46 | compguymac | um |
| 10:09.01 | assassin | yeah... they use the canadian pronunciation of ATI :D |
| 10:09.01 | _rene_ | ATI Radeon something... |
| 10:09.06 | compguymac | ATI Mobility Radeon 9200: |
| 10:09.10 | _rene_ | ok |
| 10:09.19 | _rene_ | that means you have the older series |
| 10:09.21 | _rene_ | and 3d will work |
| 10:09.24 | compguymac | nice |
| 10:09.30 | compguymac | older is better for once |
| 10:09.57 | _rene_ | jup. the current series has some booting problems because it hasn't a adb keyboard anymore |
| 10:10.10 | _rene_ | and has a 9550 or so which I don't know whether 3d works there :) |
| 10:10.17 | compguymac | ive been a slackware guy for over 10 years or so and bought an ibook because i thought it looked very nice, then unpacking it was even better, haha |
| 10:10.34 | compguymac | moved to debian about a week ago and i dont think ill ever change |
| 10:10.39 | assassin | hehe |
| 10:10.42 | _rene_ | hehe |
| 10:11.19 | compguymac | i like the apple osx, but somethings on the os just act very stupid |
| 10:11.29 | compguymac | random things, im more comfurtable on debian |
| 10:12.15 | assassin | I'm going to be skinned alive for this one :) |
| 10:12.18 | assassin | compguymac: http://workaround.ch/index.html |
| 10:12.23 | compguymac | o, one other thing, does debian ppc show a batt. % for the laptop? |
| 10:12.28 | _rene_ | yes |
| 10:12.37 | _rene_ | there's a gnome applet for it |
| 10:12.41 | compguymac | haha, ive already done that |
| 10:12.50 | compguymac | ok, i like gnome |
| 10:13.10 | assassin | xfce... much less tax |
| 10:13.53 | compguymac | i just got done setting up a debian vnc server in my ROP linux class and installed xfce4 and setup all the client machines to login that gui |
| 10:14.00 | compguymac | its actually really fast |
| 10:14.15 | pahartik | compguymac: "Battery Monitor" applet of XFCE4 panel works well |
| 10:14.21 | compguymac | hm |
| 10:14.49 | compguymac | ive only used xwindows for about a month now, so not so fond of it like all you are |
| 10:15.01 | compguymac | ive been stuck in the black n white for ages |
| 10:15.22 | assassin | console is good for the soul ;) |
| 10:15.53 | compguymac | hey, i havent come across suck a nice room, thankyou for all the support, and i shale be back in some time with debian runnin on this thing |
| 10:15.58 | compguymac | such* |
| 10:15.59 | compguymac | haha |
| 10:16.36 | assassin | he must of caught us on a good day :D |
| 10:16.36 | compguymac | hey, random question for anyone with an ibook, my spackbar squeeks, anyone find a solution to that problem'? |
| 10:16.44 | assassin | silicon |
| 10:17.00 | assassin | spray |
| 10:17.30 | assassin | Or you could buy a scrapper to junk parts off... |
| 10:17.40 | compguymac | wanna take a pic of how u did it and email it to blackstartech@cox.net before i spray too much and hybernate my screen? |
| 10:18.16 | assassin | Well... I'd get one with a straw attachment... take off the keyboard and spray it down in the cracks |
| 10:18.22 | assassin | ... let it dry for a couple of mins |
| 10:18.59 | assassin | compguymac: You can find the manuals for your book here prolly http://www.eserviceinfo.com/ |
| 10:19.40 | compguymac | yay, i can finally put my laser printer to use |
| 10:20.05 | compguymac | ok, im gonna get this debian on here, but then i guess ill have a cat5 following me over here as well |
| 10:20.38 | compguymac | o, 1 last question |
| 10:20.56 | compguymac | can i get better then 1024x768 on the laptop with debian on it? |
| 10:21.52 | assassin | nope... you can't change the number of pixels the manufacturer makes |
| 10:21.53 | pahartik | compguymac: yes |
| 10:22.08 | compguymac | i sence a fued |
| 10:22.23 | compguymac | awaits trial |
| 10:22.28 | pahartik | compguymac: ...but not with built-in display |
| 10:22.34 | compguymac | bbboooo |
| 10:22.36 | compguymac | lol |
| 10:22.41 | compguymac | o well, its ok |
| 10:22.51 | compguymac | ok, ill be back in 30 or so |
| 10:23.33 | pahartik | compguymac: and assuming that "laptop" referred to "iBook G4" |
| 10:24.04 | compguymac | ya |
| 10:24.17 | compguymac | brb |
| 10:24.57 | assassin | Sometimes I feel like going into obsd irc rules... |
| 10:28.16 | pahartik | assassin: i do not know how difficult it would be to get other than 1024x768 pixels on external display with built-in display enabled at the same time... maybe easier on X.org than on XFree |
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| 10:30.45 | assassin | pahartik: Is Apple's video port supported? |
| 10:32.49 | pahartik | assassin: at my cave i always use iBook G4 with external monitor on the side... |
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| 10:40.30 | assassin | ah... it's some OF wizardry... |
| 10:40.52 | Active2 | I have to admit, debian on powerpc rocks :) |
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| 10:49.44 | xlobeznox | not at all |
| 10:49.55 | xlobeznox | :D |
| 10:51.58 | Active2 | ;) |
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| 11:30.49 | compguymac | hey all, i made it, lol |
| 11:31.05 | compguymac | the mouse is a little crazy fast though |
| 11:31.28 | compguymac | and only can use 800x600 atm, 1024x768 makes the screen go crazy |
| 11:33.50 | compguymac | fixed mouse,, now for the video, lol |
| 11:34.06 | compguymac | assassin, u there? |
| 11:34.17 | assassin | mhmm |
| 11:35.06 | compguymac | have any idea about the video? |
| 11:35.13 | compguymac | im 2 mins new |
| 11:35.19 | compguymac | less then u are, haha |
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| 11:39.27 | compguymac | ... |
| 11:40.34 | assassin | Did you put in the proper hsync/vsync during the configuration? |
| 11:40.57 | compguymac | i chose 1024x768 |
| 11:41.03 | compguymac | didnt know the settings |
| 11:41.28 | compguymac | i can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or what ever right? |
| 11:41.43 | assassin | yeah... I'd find out your refresh rate... use the medium selection when it gets to that screen |
| 11:41.58 | assassin | then enter in the right res & refresh rate |
| 11:42.05 | compguymac | well i did that |
| 11:42.06 | assassin | s/enter/select |
| 11:42.07 | compguymac | welll |
| 11:42.09 | compguymac | dam |
| 11:42.15 | compguymac | maybe the refresh was too fast for 1024 |
| 11:42.25 | compguymac | s/enter/select ? |
| 11:42.29 | assassin | that's very likely |
| 11:42.53 | compguymac | what does that mean? |
| 11:43.09 | assassin | compguymac: search for enter... replace with text |
| 11:43.25 | assassin | ...vi regex :) |
| 11:43.26 | compguymac | im so lost |
| 11:43.48 | compguymac | your speeking here ------------------------> |
| 11:43.52 | assassin | heh... just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and do what I told you ;) |
| 11:43.54 | compguymac | when im here ---> |
| 11:43.55 | compguymac | haha |
| 11:44.15 | compguymac | o, ok, i knew that, lol, thought u were going off somewhere else |
| 11:44.37 | assassin | nope still here :) |
| 11:45.47 | compguymac | hey |
| 11:45.53 | compguymac | Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 11:46.01 | compguymac | yes or no? |
| 11:46.50 | assassin | definite |
| 11:46.54 | compguymac | k |
| 11:47.45 | compguymac | pc 101 keyboard right? |
| 11:48.02 | assassin | usually the default is good enough |
| 11:49.11 | compguymac | ok, restart x |
| 11:49.12 | compguymac | brb |
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| 12:00.03 | assassin | any luck? |
| 12:01.07 | assassin | SimonRaven: You need to set new ravenbird filter for these new freenode usernames ;) |
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| 12:05.44 | compguymac | omg |
| 12:05.54 | compguymac | ok, so xchat has pooped on me |
| 12:06.02 | compguymac | ircII is acting as its usual |
| 12:06.09 | assassin | irssi is quiet nice |
| 12:06.10 | compguymac | and now im using gaim go get in here, haha |
| 12:06.27 | compguymac | well i guess im use to a xwindows irc |
| 12:06.42 | compguymac | never really got the hang of the terminal ones |
| 12:06.52 | compguymac | could u see me trying earlier |
| 12:07.03 | compguymac | ircII wouldnt show me when i was typing |
| 12:07.23 | compguymac | o well |
| 12:07.36 | compguymac | ya, i got the res figured out |
| 12:07.36 | assassin | compguymac: normally you'd get kicked from here for logging in as root :P |
| 12:08.23 | compguymac | i apt-get isntalled ircii as root, then tried it out with out loging out first, haha |
| 12:08.44 | compguymac | if i loged in as root, would i have ownership over anyone or something? |
| 12:08.58 | assassin | it's still heresy ;) |
| 12:08.58 | compguymac | although im 21 and not 13 trying to hack irc, lol |
| 12:09.27 | assassin | well... that measure was sorta meant for the inverse of that situation |
| 12:09.30 | compguymac | ya, i do like debian on this thing rather then osx |
| 12:09.38 | compguymac | ya, true |
| 12:09.55 | assassin | OS X suffers some serious bloat |
| 12:10.11 | compguymac | it does |
| 12:10.28 | compguymac | if apples were sent out with this, ide be a lot happier, haha |
| 12:10.57 | compguymac | by chance, where does kde hold its wallpapers? |
| 12:11.07 | assassin | /usr/share/wallpaper? |
| 12:11.13 | compguymac | lets see |
| 12:11.54 | compguymac | as usual, im one dir off |
| 12:11.55 | compguymac | lol |
| 12:12.51 | compguymac | u know |
| 12:13.06 | compguymac | my ibooks seems to be gettign a lot hotter then usual |
| 12:13.09 | compguymac | after debian |
| 12:13.12 | compguymac | and during the install |
| 12:13.22 | compguymac | fan keeps jumping to a very high rpm |
| 12:13.32 | compguymac | but it doesent feel that hot |
| 12:15.23 | assassin | Yeah... you can scale down the cpufreq to powersave |
| 12:15.56 | compguymac | where might that setting be? |
| 12:16.41 | compguymac | havent seen that one yet |
| 12:18.28 | compguymac | and sound? is there a sound trick? |
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| 12:18.54 | RQ | hello |
| 12:18.58 | compguymac | yo |
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| 12:19.03 | RQ | anyone online? :) |
| 12:19.07 | RQ | hey Q-FUNK |
| 12:19.12 | compguymac | sure :) |
| 12:19.15 | RQ | i've been looking for you right now ;) |
| 12:19.41 | RQ | if anyone of you know the answer, i'd be grateful to read it |
| 12:19.47 | RQ | the problem is that I have a |
| 12:19.59 | RQ | 900MHz white ibook G3 |
| 12:20.05 | assassin | compguymac: I'm not sure... I have a desktop... I think it's cpufreqd... try apt-cache search |
| 12:20.13 | RQ | and i want to buy a wireless network adapter for it |
| 12:20.21 | _rene_ | d-link dwl-122 |
| 12:20.27 | compguymac | RQ, look on ebay |
| 12:20.30 | RQ | and there's no PCMCIA slot in it |
| 12:20.36 | compguymac | its under the keyboard |
| 12:20.39 | RQ | so it seems like i need a MiniPCI solution |
| 12:20.43 | _rene_ | RQ: usb |
| 12:21.00 | _rene_ | RQ: or minipci yes, should work on the oold ones |
| 12:21.04 | RQ | i wonder what usb wireless adapters look like |
| 12:21.21 | RQ | _rene_ i'm not sure about what is an "old one" and what's a "new one" |
| 12:21.34 | _rene_ | old ones with stuff for airport |
| 12:21.38 | RQ | which does G3/900 fall into? |
| 12:21.46 | _rene_ | iirc airport is mini-pci |
| 12:21.49 | RQ | _rene_ it has a place for airport |
| 12:21.52 | _rene_ | RQ: G3 is oold. |
| 12:21.54 | assassin | USB wifi adapters are cheep |
| 12:22.01 | _rene_ | yep |
| 12:22.06 | RQ | hehe, ok. then i have an oold one :) |
| 12:22.09 | assassin | and have support |
| 12:22.31 | RQ | will any miniPCI adapter work with it? |
| 12:22.51 | _rene_ | I use http://www.d-link.de/?go=jN7uAYLx/oIJaWVUDLYZU93ygJVYKOhST9vhLPG3yV3oV4h5kP98f8p8Nqtg6T46VHqqnHtB84sIFN7g2aPhJk0UtuM= on my iBook G4 |
| 12:22.55 | compguymac | gnome-cpufreq-applet |
| 12:23.00 | _rene_ | DWL-122. works with linux-wlan-ng |
| 12:23.03 | assassin | ...I think Airport works... AE is screwed because broadcom is a bunch of dicks |
| 12:23.23 | RQ | i've read that airport bus might be sort of incompatible with the minipci bus |
| 12:23.23 | _rene_ | assassin: exactly |
| 12:23.47 | _rene_ | RQ: oh, no idea. may be. |
| 12:23.51 | _rene_ | I'd just get a usb one... |
| 12:23.54 | RQ | hmmz |
| 12:26.07 | compguymac | ok, i downloaded gnome-cpufreq-applet |
| 12:26.15 | compguymac | now i cant find it or run it, lol |
| 12:27.23 | _rene_ | use GNOME. add it to your panel |
| 12:31.44 | compguymac | ok, i got cpufreqd |
| 12:32.03 | compguymac | so just run that command and the cpu will step up and or down depending on batt. life? |
| 12:32.55 | compguymac | and the matt. charage monitor in the gnome panel doesent work eather, just sits at 0% the whole time |
| 12:33.00 | compguymac | batt.* |
| 12:34.30 | _rene_ | then you took the wrong applet |
| 12:34.51 | _rene_ | the normal battery appplet of gnome uses apm, if you want to use that load the apm emulation(apm_emu module) |
| 12:37.00 | _rene_ | gpmudmon-applet - GNOME battery applet for PMU |
| 12:37.28 | _rene_ | is the one which uses pmu natively (and also shows the power going in/out) |
| 12:40.30 | compguymac | ok, i got it |
| 12:40.35 | compguymac | and looked at the man pages |
| 12:40.48 | compguymac | dont see it in the gnome panel |
| 12:43.30 | _rene_ | you need to *add* it |
| 12:43.41 | compguymac | o |
| 12:43.44 | _rene_ | right-click on the panel, Add Applet, ... |
| 12:44.37 | compguymac | there is no add applet |
| 12:45.44 | _rene_ | there *is* something for adding |
| 12:45.55 | _rene_ | I don't know the exact english string of that... |
| 12:46.04 | compguymac | add to panel |
| 12:46.06 | compguymac | but... |
| 12:46.17 | compguymac | that only lets u add things that are in the list |
| 12:46.27 | _rene_ | right |
| 12:46.36 | compguymac | its not there |
| 12:46.37 | _rene_ | and after installing the PMU thing should appear there |
| 12:46.54 | piem | any idea why i can't bring up an eth1394 on this g5? |
| 12:47.07 | compguymac | nope |
| 12:47.20 | _rene_ | did you try logging out and in again? |
| 12:47.23 | _rene_ | not needed here, but... |
| 12:47.40 | compguymac | no, never really had to with linux, but will do |
| 12:47.45 | piem | works great on g4, but on g5 i get: |
| 12:47.45 | piem | eth1394: eth1: Could not allocate isochronous receive context for the broadcast channel |
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| 12:56.03 | compguymac | loged out of system at the wrong moment and it got stuck and was running the fan as full speed for like 5 mins, and wouldnt stop |
| 12:56.11 | compguymac | had to hard shutdown |
| 12:57.31 | compguymac | ok, pmu is running |
| 12:57.35 | compguymac | thankyou |
| 12:59.33 | compguymac | but i still cant get cpufreqd to run to turn down my cpu speed |
| 13:05.46 | compguymac | does everyone in here to go bed at the same time? lol |
| 13:06.14 | assassin | nah |
| 13:06.19 | compguymac | jk |
| 13:06.31 | assassin | I'm up on 20h w/ no sleep |
| 13:06.39 | compguymac | 43 here |
| 13:06.45 | piem | compguymac: i needed to add therm_adt746x and cpufreq-userspace to /etc/modules |
| 13:07.02 | compguymac | ive been stuck in a cold room told to "fix out shit" for 20 hrs |
| 13:07.29 | compguymac | im a sys admin, but for winblows that is |
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| 13:08.24 | assassin | Is there anyone to get the HD to spindown? hdparm doesn't do it for me? |
| 13:09.11 | nailbiter | "hdparm -S" will set the spin-down timeout for some drives; I don't know which it works on |
| 13:09.12 | compguymac | assassin: press the power button |
| 13:09.20 | _rene_ | compguymac: personally, I'd use powernowd |
| 13:09.28 | _rene_ | compguymac: and you need to set the governor to "userspace" |
| 13:09.38 | compguymac | im still lost |
| 13:09.40 | compguymac | lol |
| 13:09.54 | compguymac | powernowd? |
| 13:09.56 | nailbiter | I'm trying to boot Debian on a Mac Mini; which of the Debian stock kernels is known to work? |
| 13:09.57 | compguymac | aptget that? |
| 13:10.01 | _rene_ | and when you want to switch the frequency the the applets UI you need to use a newer kernel. 2.6.12 for example |
| 13:10.09 | compguymac | nailbiter |
| 13:10.16 | compguymac | get the netinst for power pc |
| 13:10.24 | compguymac | 180mb download |
| 13:10.39 | nailbiter | compguymac: Ah, gute idee |
| 13:10.43 | assassin | nailbiter: I think the standard sarge kernel should work |
| 13:10.48 | compguymac | burn the iso and get up and running with the latest... sarge :0 works fine on my ibbok |
| 13:10.51 | compguymac | installed about an hour ago |
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| 13:10.57 | compguymac | much happier with this then osx |
| 13:11.21 | nailbiter | I agree; OS X looked great for about a week, then I needed to get some coding done and it was hell |
| 13:11.29 | compguymac | haha |
| 13:11.39 | assassin | xcode is the devil |
| 13:11.57 | compguymac | ive used osx for longer then that, about 6 months, so ive been in hell a litte longer, lol |
| 13:12.22 | assassin | It's not that bad... just a bitch to work around it's quirks |
| 13:12.28 | compguymac | ya |
| 13:12.37 | compguymac | so i heard someone say.. powernowd |
| 13:12.41 | assassin | it's a pretty standard *nix environment though |
| 13:12.42 | compguymac | is that better? |
| 13:13.09 | compguymac | i know how to apt-get install, how do i uninstall? |
| 13:13.16 | assassin | remove |
| 13:13.33 | nailbiter | compguymac: 'apt-get remove <packagename>' Add a --purge if you want to remove configuration files as well |
| 13:17.03 | nailbiter | Hm. Is there a LiveCD distro that'll boot on a Dual G5 with a Cinema Display? |
| 13:17.03 | compguymac | k |
| 13:17.21 | compguymac | nailbiter, now i think ur getting picky |
| 13:17.28 | compguymac | haha, jk im not to sure |
| 13:17.34 | nailbiter | I've got a colleague who's .. away from his Dual G5 most of the week, and I'd love to better .. utilize all that power |
| 13:17.38 | assassin | nailbiter: ughh... gentoo prolly |
| 13:17.57 | compguymac | ubuntu |
| 13:18.04 | compguymac | debian.org |
| 13:18.06 | compguymac | see if there is |
| 13:18.11 | compguymac | if there was, should be there |
| 13:18.13 | nailbiter | compguymac: Just tried hoary. Black screen, no go |
| 13:18.33 | compguymac | hoary? |
| 13:18.43 | nailbiter | compguymac: That's the latest Ubuntu release |
| 13:18.48 | compguymac | o |
| 13:19.02 | compguymac | linux for humans, hahah what a load |
| 13:19.09 | compguymac | all i had was problems with them |
| 13:19.20 | compguymac | brb |
| 13:19.31 | nailbiter | assassin: Gentoo? They actually have a LiveCD now? |
| 13:19.34 | compguymac | o, one more question |
| 13:19.46 | compguymac | how do i get the ibbok to sleep when i close the lid |
| 13:19.49 | compguymac | ibook |
| 13:20.40 | nailbiter | compguymac: I think you need the 'pmud' package |
| 13:20.58 | compguymac | nailbiter, i have that |
| 13:21.11 | nailbiter | compguymac: I have no idea how to configure it though |
| 13:21.31 | compguymac | me eather |
| 13:21.54 | compguymac | brb |
| 13:22.27 | assassin | nailbiter: yes |
| 13:23.26 | assassin | nailbiter: ubuntu's got one too |
| 13:24.03 | assassin | least that one's debian based |
| 13:24.25 | assassin | ..even if their site makes me wanna cut my wrists |
| 13:25.03 | nailbiter | assassin: The Ubuntu "hoary" LiveCD doesn't seem to boot on the G5 (it just bombs back out to the Open Firmware prompt) |
| 13:25.26 | nailbiter | I guess Gentoo's next. :) |
| 13:28.14 | assassin | nailbiter: did you make sure to boot into the right kernel? |
| 13:28.51 | assassin | Press tab @ the boot prompt and you should see what kernels you can use |
| 13:29.54 | nailbiter | From what I could see, there was just the 'install' and 'live' kernels; neither worked |
| 13:30.39 | assassin | there should be a ppc64 kernel |
| 13:30.46 | assassin | something with -power4 |
| 13:34.22 | piem | svenl: hey, any news about these powerpc64 bugs (323724, 319986, 328242)? |
| 13:35.19 | assassin | sweet... just got my deadline extended a day... time to sleep |
| 13:35.30 | svenl | piem: the kernel bugs. hch is working on them, he can reproduce them, and it seems to be linked with the debian config. |
| 13:37.28 | piem | svenl: ok. anything i can try removing? i would really like to test the audio |
| 13:37.31 | svenl | piem: if you want to help, take the kernel, build with the g5 defconfig, confirm it works, use the debian config, rebuild, confirm it fails, and then diff the configs (or use meld or something) and rejoin the options until you find the one failing. |
| 13:37.49 | piem | svenl: ok |
| 13:38.24 | piem | svenl: i have already done the second step, recompiling the debian config on this g5 fails too |
| 13:39.24 | svenl | so, you can twidle it, we already know the default config works, so you can start from the current setup. |
| 13:39.40 | svenl | you don't need to build all modules, only vmlinux. |
| 13:40.57 | nailbiter | assassin: The 'live-power4' image worked! :) Thank you so much |
| 13:41.04 | piem | svenl: can i do that from linux-2.6 source package? |
| 13:41.27 | svenl | piem: sure. |
| 13:41.33 | assassin | nailbiter: spread the gospel |
| 13:41.42 | svenl | piem: or mainline, doesn't seem to make a difference. |
| 13:42.10 | svenl | iti s one of those ibm-boxe enabling patches which probably is incompatible with the apple g5s. |
| 13:42.36 | piem | i didn't get to understand how to compile only the -power64 from the source package |
| 13:42.50 | piem | oh, i should probably start by removing these patches then |
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| 13:43.07 | svenl | piem: oh. |
| 13:43.25 | svenl | piem: it would be way faster to use ... |
| 13:43.36 | svenl | piem: no, it has nothing to do with patches, only the config options. |
| 13:44.20 | svenl | piem: don't use the package, install the source, untar it somewhere, copy the debian config file from there, and build only vmlinux locally, then copy it to your /boot and have yaboot boot it. |
| 13:46.19 | nailbiter | s |
| 13:46.22 | nailbiter | Oops, sorry |
| 13:48.13 | piem | ok, so something along the lines of apt-get install linux-source-2.6; cd /usr/src; tar zxvf linux-source-2.6.*.tar.bz2; cd linux-2.6; cp -a /boot/config-2.6.12-1-powerpc64 .config; make vmlinux; cp -a vmlinux /boot/vmlinux-2.6.12-2-powerpc64 |
| 13:50.21 | Active2 | why not using the kernel-package and create a debian package of the kernel |
| 13:50.46 | Active2 | and then, make-kpkg --revision 1.0 kernel-image ? :) |
| 13:50.49 | piem | Active2: i just want to debug the config, i don't mind avoiding rebuilding all the modules every time |
| 13:51.36 | Active2 | piem: ah, didn't notice that |
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| 14:05.08 | piem | svenl: any idea why make oldconfig prompts me about the processor type ? |
| 14:06.12 | piem | mmh, i guess because i run a 32 bit kernel |
| 14:07.38 | piem | svenl: compiling with the debian config fails on kernel/compat.o. did i forget something? |
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| 14:09.51 | compguymac | ok, back |
| 14:09.53 | Active2 | hm, odd, sound doesn't work with the powermac sound module |
| 14:10.03 | piem | mmh, include/asm points to include/asm-ppc |
| 14:10.05 | compguymac | had to run to am/pm to get an energy drink and a smoke |
| 14:10.10 | piem | Active2: on what machine? |
| 14:10.25 | Active2 | G4 Silver |
| 14:10.46 | compguymac | does osx by default control the speed of the cpu due to heat and being pluged in and by how much batt. is left? |
| 14:10.50 | Active2 | my mate, with only expertise with FreeBSD did get it working with Ubuntu... |
| 14:11.08 | Active2 | maybe it has to do with the kernel, as he did it with the 2.6.10 kernel |
| 14:11.13 | Active2 | and I run now 2.6.12 |
| 14:13.43 | Active2 | I'm going home now, cy later |
| 14:14.18 | compguymac | late |
| 14:14.39 | compguymac | anyone for the question above? |
| 14:18.11 | svenl | piem: you did use ARCH=ppc64 ? |
| 14:19.29 | piem | svenl: i messed up my kernel tree by not using it first. starting from a fresh one seems to work better. |
| 14:22.23 | svenl | ok. |
| 14:22.55 | compguymac | not too much talkign in here eh? |
| 14:46.11 | compguymac | wow, never seen such a quite room |
| 14:48.55 | nailbiter | compguymac: Yes, it does. You can disable frequency scaling (at least on Tiger) in the Power Control panel |
| 14:57.52 | piem | svenl: mmh. i copied vmlinux.hacked /boot, updated the link /boot/vmlinux, and ran ybin -v. now trying to load yaboot says 'Read failed'. |
| 14:58.17 | svenl | no idea, yaboot is black magic to me. |
| 14:59.12 | piem | svenl: do you remember how you did to update only vmlinux? |
| 14:59.50 | svenl | piem: just create another yaboot entry for the new kernel. |
| 15:00.27 | svenl | i tftpboot anyway, so i just put a symlink in my tftpboot to the build tree. |
| 15:08.11 | compguymac | but the problem is that im on debianppc now and im trying to get cpufreqd to work correctly |
| 15:08.27 | compguymac | the can keeps running at 10,000rpm, the whole time, haha |
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| 15:11.47 | Q-FUNK | piem: did you ever get started on that table of powermac audio hardware, what works and what doesn't on ALSA? |
| 15:12.00 | Q-FUNK | svenl: wanna help us put that oen together? |
| 15:13.29 | Q-FUNK | we basically need to make a list of all pmac soundchips, with all possible variants if any, and figure out which parts work and which don't, for each. |
| 15:13.55 | Q-FUNK | would make it easier for whoever claims the ubuntu bounty on it. |
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| 15:15.34 | piem | Q-FUNK: no, just created the page on wiki.debian.net :\ |
| 15:16.01 | Q-FUNK | piem: it's never too late :) |
| 15:16.07 | Q-FUNK | let's hack this as a group. |
| 15:17.39 | piem | is wiki.debian.net up for you ? |
| 15:23.47 | piem | meh, no beagle on powerpc : |
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| 15:45.16 | piem | svenl: i can't get yaboot to load this vmlinux. how do i rebuild a -powerpc64 .deb? |
| 15:45.55 | svenl | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
| 15:46.18 | piem | that will build all the flavors isn't it? |
| 15:46.19 | svenl | you go to debian/arch/powerpc/defines, and erase the flavours you don't want. |
| 15:46.42 | piem | ah ok, thanks |
| 15:50.02 | compguymac | anyone.. any special way to get sound working on debianppc? |
| 15:51.51 | pahartik | compguymac: describe problem |
| 15:58.34 | compguymac | no sound |
| 15:58.39 | compguymac | no error, just no sound |
| 15:58.44 | compguymac | ibook G4 |
| 16:00.51 | pahartik | compguymac: what happens if you run "alsamixer"? |
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| 16:16.53 | Q-FUNK | compguymac: is snd-powermac loaded? |
| 16:21.13 | Active2 | I have here also a G4 Silver, with the snd-powermac module loaded and no sound |
| 16:21.25 | Active2 | beep-media-player or xmms show that it is playing, but just no sound |
| 16:21.42 | Q-FUNK | Active2: and what does alsamixer show? |
| 16:21.46 | Q-FUNK | which kernel version? |
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| 16:22.18 | CodeWarrior_ | hello all |
| 16:22.32 | CodeWarrior_ | is there anybody on line here ? |
| 16:23.09 | Q-FUNK | of course not. we're all bots that successfully passed the Turing test. |
| 16:23.32 | Active2 | 2.6.12 (debian kernel) |
| 16:23.47 | Active2 | alsamixer -> PCM enabled 80% and Master enabled 80% |
| 16:24.30 | Active2 | but somehow my mate get it to work with an Ubuntu kernel (2.6.10) |
| 16:24.35 | Active2 | on the same Mac |
| 16:25.05 | CodeWarrior_ | somebody knows about installing on mac beige g3 (oldworld) ? |
| 16:25.13 | piem | Active2: check the value in 'DRC' |
| 16:25.23 | Q-FUNK | I wouldn't be surprised to find that the ubuntu kernel is patched and fixed. |
| 16:25.26 | piem | DRC range even |
| 16:25.28 | Active2 | piem: I'll do it tomorrow at school, Mac is at school :) |
| 16:26.21 | piem | ok. if it's set to 0, almost no sound comes out. it's like a global amplification thing. |
| 16:28.07 | compguymac | anyone know how to make the laptop go to sleep when i close the lid? instead of staying on |
| 16:29.21 | piem | compguymac: it should work out of the box on >= 2.6.11 iirc |
| 16:29.35 | compguymac | um, it doesent |
| 16:29.41 | compguymac | not sure why |
| 16:29.48 | compguymac | i got the netinst for power pc |
| 16:29.57 | compguymac | so ide imagine i have the latest |
| 16:30.31 | piem | if you asked the installer for a 2.6 kernel, you have a 2.6.8 |
| 16:30.50 | compguymac | i just got what ever the internet brought |
| 16:30.52 | compguymac | not too sure |
| 16:30.56 | compguymac | how do i find out? |
| 16:30.57 | piem | uname -a |
| 16:31.11 | compguymac | ya |
| 16:31.13 | compguymac | 2.6.8 |
| 16:31.31 | compguymac | so, i need to upgrade to .11? |
| 16:31.35 | piem | yep, try installing the 2.6.11 from testing, it should do |
| 16:31.46 | compguymac | testing means its still beta? |
| 16:32.00 | compguymac | i have no problems atm becides the sleeping part |
| 16:32.03 | compguymac | i dont need more |
| 16:32.04 | piem | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 16:32.36 | piem | you could install only 2.6.11, and keep tracking stable |
| 16:33.12 | compguymac | well i dont think i need to upgrade to a "testing" kernel to get my laptop to go to sleep |
| 16:33.19 | compguymac | should be some workaround for it atm no? |
| 16:33.31 | piem | no |
| 16:34.59 | compguymac | bah, |
| 16:35.21 | compguymac | u can yes, but i dont know |
| 16:37.22 | piem | the code for swsusp started getting in around 2.6.9 iirc. a backport to 2.6.8 does not sound like a viable workaround. |
| 16:37.36 | compguymac | hmmm |
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| 17:08.07 | pahartik | compguymac: build Linux 2.6.12, it has been stable for me |
| 17:10.05 | pahartik | compguymac: including sleep/wakeup on iBook G4 |
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| 17:24.59 | piem | Q-FUNK: http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards |
| 17:25.15 | piem | probably quite a few columns missing though |
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| 17:29.40 | lobezno | hi |
| 17:30.11 | piem | hi lobezno |
| 17:30.34 | piem | svenl: right, so what should i try changing in the debian config ? |
| 17:30.52 | svenl | piem no idea. |
| 17:31.02 | svenl | piem: the best is to compare to the g5 defconfig. |
| 17:31.11 | svenl | piem: don't really have time right now. |
| 17:31.39 | piem | svenl: ok, i'll dig it :) |
| 17:31.51 | svenl | piem: meld is a good help there. |
| 17:32.09 | piem | or vimdiff ;) |
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| 18:34.03 | xlobeznox | i need help with a problem between dbus and my ibook |
| 18:34.30 | xlobeznox | i need dbus for gnome volume manager and it makes that my ibook cant return from suspend |
| 18:34.43 | xlobeznox | if i desactive dbus, works without problem |
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| 19:28.12 | piem | svenl: hmm. how can i build a powerpc64 with make-kpkg? |
| 19:28.45 | svenl | piem: :) |
| 19:29.07 | svenl | piem: you get the kernel source unpacked, move the .config to it, and do : |
| 19:29.39 | svenl | make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -piem --subarch powerpc64 |
| 19:29.48 | svenl | or somethign such, err, kernel-image at the end. |
| 19:30.00 | piem | ah. subarch is what i missed, cheers |
| 19:30.11 | piem | i'm trying to build the defconfig now, to see if it boots |
| 19:30.45 | MrNikel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.16 | piem | MrNikel: uh, on what machine can you boot this? |
| 19:31.42 | MrNikel | What? |
| 19:32.39 | piem | what kernel are you running? on which machine? |
| 19:33.37 | MrNikel | linux-image-2.6.12-3-powerpc64-smp |
| 19:33.46 | grivell | pahartik: Sleep vs usb fixed then on 2.6.12? |
| 19:34.03 | MrNikel | dual power MAC G5 1.8 Ghz |
| 19:34.07 | MrNikel | piem |
| 19:35.59 | MrNikel | Works well (no sound support) but Have a couple of problems with the usb stuff, Is is still under development (in an early stage)? |
| 19:36.09 | pahartik | MrNikel: scripts just unload driver for on-board bluetooth driver before going to sleep... and do other things |
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| 19:37.00 | piem | MrNikel: i can't even boot this kernel, but usb worked fine on 2.6.11-power4-smp |
| 19:37.10 | MrNikel | What machine you have? |
| 19:37.22 | piem | MrNikel: PowerBook 7,2 |
| 19:37.27 | MrNikel | pahartik bluetooth driver ? Have no such module installed. |
| 19:37.34 | pahartik | MrNikel: iBook G4 |
| 19:37.36 | piem | sorry PowerMac7,2 |
| 19:37.46 | pahartik | MrNikel: ...previous model |
| 19:38.00 | piem | MrNikel: what does grep ^machine /proc/cpuinfo gives you? |
| 19:38.36 | MrNikel | machine : PowerMac7,3 |
| 19:39.07 | pahartik | MrNikel: well, my iBook G4 came with factory-installed Bluetooth adapter... |
| 19:39.33 | MrNikel | I have not bluetooth... |
| 19:39.39 | piem | MrNikel: 'dpkg -l linux-image-* | grep ^.i' please? |
| 19:39.41 | grivell | pahartik: Was me that asked ;) |
| 19:39.47 | MrNikel | What I have is a wacom table that stop working since 2.6.11 |
| 19:39.57 | grivell | pahartik: The same person who always asks since I know you have BT ;) |
| 19:40.24 | MrNikel | as long as you dont say 'rm -Rf /' piem :) |
| 19:40.32 | pahartik | grivell: oh yes, damn that |
| 19:41.43 | pahartik | MrNikel: sorry about damn confusion |
| 19:43.25 | MrNikel | I though it was my english... :) |
| 19:45.03 | MrNikel | Any of you is using a wacom tablet on linux ppc? with Xorg? |
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| 19:48.02 | piem | MrNikel: the only powerpc64-smp i know of comes from breezy |
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| 19:58.13 | piem | YAY! |
| 19:58.46 | piem | svenl: i could boot the defconfig. i just added sound support, which works nicely. :-D |
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| 20:02.09 | svenl | piem: will you continue searching ? Can you mail me the working .config to luther@debian.org, or better yet append it to the bug report (and CC me ) |
| 20:07.15 | piem | svenl: sure. iiuc MrNikel, the ubuntu config works. and i confirm the defconfig works here. |
| 20:07.35 | piem | i will try diffing the ubuntu and debian configs |
| 20:08.45 | piem | mmh. it seems there is a small bug wrt audio: plugging in a headset makes the kernel crashes |
| 20:10.57 | tcsetattr | that bug doesn't sound very small to me |
| 20:11.35 | piem | a litotes |
| 20:12.49 | piem | i will have to try that again. it seems switching from speaker to headphone made it crash. |
| 20:13.53 | piem | for now i'm happily working with music in my room :-) |
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| 20:35.18 | svenl | piem: make sure to send the working .config (both of them) to the bug report. |
| 20:35.43 | piem | svenl: ok, should i merge my bug with the other 2 as well? |
| 20:37.32 | svenl | sure. |
| 20:46.12 | piem | svenl: sent |
| 20:46.16 | piem | i think i should report a bug on eth1394 too |
| 20:46.35 | piem | i can't up the interface on the g5, whereas it works fine on a g4 |
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| 20:56.33 | gausus | re |
| 20:56.52 | gausus | does anyone of you is using swsusp/swsusp2 on ibook ? |
| 20:57.21 | grivell | gausus: I just have pmud installed, and close lid/open lid. |
| 20:57.39 | grivell | I can't get my display to turn back on with swsusp |
| 20:59.36 | gausus | grivell: pmud works fine for me |
| 20:59.53 | gausus | but i cant make x w2ork after swsusp2 suspension |
| 20:59.57 | grivell | pmud works fine for me too. |
| 21:00.12 | grivell | swsusp will suspend I believe. But not come back. |
| 21:00.44 | grivell | echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 21:00.46 | grivell | I believe. |
| 21:01.21 | gausus | thats a pity |
| 21:01.33 | gausus | i would like for my system to ask for pasword before resume |
| 21:03.24 | grivell | You could have a screenlock with KDE. |
| 21:10.22 | gausus | brb |
| 21:14.31 | piem | svenl: oops: unknown local-part "svenl" in domain "debian.org" |
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| 21:50.44 | nailbiter | Yay--I just managed to netboot a Dual G5 into an NFS root filesystem, with the stock 2.6.11-power4-smp kernel |
| 21:52.49 | nailbiter | The only problem is that netbooting other Macs no longer work, because they can't use this power4 kernel. Is there a way to get yaboot to pick a kernel based on the current processor type? |
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| 22:00.06 | SimonRaven | nailbiter: 1) yay :) 2) yes specify the kernel image based on the machine's MAC address, and drop the right kernel into /tftpboot |
| 22:00.42 | nailbiter | SimonRaven: Aha, gute idee |
| 22:01.10 | SimonRaven | oh goodie, someone who grokked what i said :) |
| 22:10.16 | Q-FUNK | http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards |
| 22:10.29 | Q-FUNK | can we fit a tinyurl to this for /topic? |
| 22:11.06 | SimonRaven | i think we can |
| 22:11.10 | SimonRaven | i'll try |
| 22:11.13 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o SimonRaven] by ChanServ |
| 22:12.52 | *** topic/#DebianPPC by SimonRaven -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk |
| 22:13.05 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 22:13.09 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [-o SimonRaven] by ChanServ |
| 22:16.08 | Q-FUNK | let's hack this list as a team |
| 22:18.41 | Q-FUNK | piem: I updated it a bit |
| 22:21.06 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: thanks :) |
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| 22:23.45 | nefertum | does anybody some apt repository with enlightenment e17 for ppc? |
| 22:27.49 | SimonRaven | np |
| 22:28.11 | SimonRaven | nefertum: cvs build it yourself |
| 22:31.10 | SimonRaven | release the edit lock Q-FUNK please |
| 22:31.29 | Q-FUNK | done |
| 22:32.03 | Q-FUNK | it stays locked for as long as whoever has the content in the editing form |
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| 22:34.07 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 22:34.13 | SimonRaven | done. hit reload |
| 22:36.47 | Q-FUNK | great |
| 22:37.05 | Q-FUNK | which chipset is reported at the module loadup? |
| 22:40.08 | SimonRaven | awacs |
| 22:40.37 | Q-FUNK | reload |
| 22:40.51 | Q-FUNK | ah so awacs is g2? |
| 22:41.15 | SimonRaven | ah, what happened? |
| 22:41.22 | grivell | Don't mean to spam, but it may be of interest: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=COM10671 |
| 22:41.33 | grivell | iMacs for $69. I have nothing to do with them. |
| 22:42.03 | SimonRaven | yes. started off in the "G2"s |
| 22:42.07 | grivell | Will Sarge/PPC run on a G3/333mhz? |
| 22:42.12 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 22:42.22 | SimonRaven | beige, or some upgraded thing? |
| 22:42.23 | Q-FUNK | grivell: I'm on one right now |
| 22:42.28 | SimonRaven | or imac, or ... |
| 22:42.38 | Q-FUNK | imac |
| 22:42.49 | SimonRaven | Q-FUNK: what happened to the added awacs line? |
| 22:42.52 | Q-FUNK | beige is a bit tricky, but Bor_Ed managed |
| 22:42.58 | Q-FUNK | went up |
| 22:43.04 | grivell | Q-FUNK: Coolness. How well does it run speed wise? Only has 64 MB here. Not sure how easy to upgrade that it is |
| 22:43.20 | Q-FUNK | i'm trying to sort the list by release |
| 22:43.33 | SimonRaven | oh, duh, ok |
| 22:44.05 | SimonRaven | grendelll: shouldn't matter. might be a bit pokey, so don't run gnome on it |
| 22:44.30 | SimonRaven | or kde... |
| 22:45.10 | SimonRaven | but imacs are newworld, so it'll be easy to boot to linux |
| 22:46.52 | Q-FUNK | grivell: I'd say you need at least 128mb |
| 22:47.40 | Q-FUNK | upgrading requires removing a few screws and flipping the candy ball upside down to slide off the motherboard |
| 22:48.25 | grivell | Well, it comes out to $104.12 after s/h. Think it is a good deal? |
| 22:48.46 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: so alsa 1.0.9 mostly fixed it on your g2 hardware? |
| 22:48.59 | Q-FUNK | not bad |
| 22:49.23 | SimonRaven | been fixed since way before that. 1.0.9 just fixed it better |
| 22:50.01 | Q-FUNK | anybody knows what's in the clamshell? |
| 22:50.32 | grivell | I don't need a new/old computer. But that price is a sticking point to buy. Might be a gift for a friend. Get them into Linux ;) |
| 22:50.33 | SimonRaven | burgundy? |
| 22:52.11 | Q-FUNK | i think keywest, but i'm not sure |
| 22:52.32 | Q-FUNK | grivell: not an ideal 1st machine |
| 22:55.59 | grivell | I figure Fluxbox, FireFox, OpenOffice.org ? Then again, I am spoiled with memory. So not sure how much they take up. |
| 22:56.19 | grivell | OO.org probably 128 mb least :( |
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| 23:06.13 | Q-FUNK | grivell: i have about 256mb here and it's slow |
| 23:06.53 | grivell | Prelinked? |
| 23:07.33 | grivell | Don't make me cry! This was suppose to be a cheap system for some currently unknown purpose. |
| 23:07.37 | grivell | :P |
| 23:08.24 | Q-FUNK | nobody said that OOo was memory efficient code |
| 23:09.48 | grivell | But FF is ok? |
| 23:10.26 | grivell | Yeah OOo is slow on the G4 1.2 ghz too. Maybe KOffice. Or Abiword. |
| 23:10.44 | Q-FUNK | ff runs on anything |
| 23:12.32 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 23:13.28 | grivell | I kind of miss Geos. Maybe it wasn't as good as I remember. But I was young at the time and it was "fun" compared to TI. |
| 23:14.12 | Q-FUNK | ;) |
| 23:14.26 | grivell | Don't forget Toonie. That is in the MacMini. |
| 23:14.31 | Q-FUNK | I don't miss the 8 or 16-bit days at all |
| 23:14.41 | grivell | Load up VICE lol |
| 23:14.48 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 23:14.53 | Q-FUNK | ok, off to sleep here |
| 23:14.56 | Q-FUNK | c ya! |
| 23:15.05 | grivell | cya! |
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| 23:58.11 | war- | Is there an ISO out there for sarge or etch that will work an imac? |
| 23:58.16 | war- | imacmini |
| 23:58.22 | war- | doesnt seem like it |
| 23:59.58 | Curalton | mac mini or imac? what year? |