| 00:00.04 | war- | imac mini 2005 |
| 00:00.13 | war- | mac init |
| 00:00.16 | war- | MAC MINI |
| 00:00.17 | war- | the small one |
| 00:00.18 | war- | 2005 |
| 00:01.22 | Curalton | i read about ppl running a server on these |
| 00:01.36 | Curalton | it's a neworld, should boot |
| 00:01.48 | Curalton | if all the hw is supported is another thing |
| 00:01.50 | war- | yeah, but it has a lot of problems |
| 00:01.55 | war- | getting just the install to work |
| 00:02.00 | war- | I have installed on a 7200/90 and g3/266 |
| 00:02.06 | war- | but the mini |
| 00:02.10 | war- | cant even install sarge or testing |
| 00:02.15 | war- | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/powerpc/20050831 |
| 00:02.17 | war- | trying this one now |
| 00:02.45 | Curalton | http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+mini+linux+install+debian |
| 00:04.55 | war- | has anyone here done it? |
| 00:05.29 | Curalton | i just have a meager ibook and left os x on my parents mac mini |
| 00:05.35 | war- | ah |
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| 00:06.06 | sktrdie | hello everyone |
| 00:06.14 | Curalton | lo |
| 00:06.42 | sktrdie | something wierd just happend to me, I switched to Kernel 2.6.13 from 2.6.11, because I wanted Inotify, but now I don't know why movis play choppier |
| 00:07.02 | sktrdie | and if I go back to 2.6.11 it fine again... I really don't know what's the problem... I'm using a powerbook 12" with nvidia |
| 00:08.01 | Curalton | sktrdie: try using 13.1 |
| 00:08.04 | Curalton | it had a ppc fix |
| 00:08.40 | Curalton | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.13.1 |
| 00:08.42 | sktrdie | Curalton: well it did the same with 2.6.12.8 |
| 00:09.43 | sktrdie | so I guess it's something that 2.6.11 has |
| 00:09.49 | sktrdie | but I really don't know, it's really wierd |
| 00:09.55 | sktrdie | also |
| 00:09.56 | Curalton | x86 centrism :S |
| 00:10.04 | sktrdie | on 2.6.11 brightness works |
| 00:10.13 | sktrdie | and on 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 it doesnt |
| 00:10.23 | Curalton | 2.6 break a lot of stuff :S |
| 00:10.25 | sktrdie | brightness control |
| 00:10.43 | Curalton | yeh, ibook has something similar (screen only, not kb) |
| 00:11.03 | sktrdie | have any idea of what could it be |
| 00:11.17 | sktrdie | I'm like looking on both config kernel files |
| 00:11.30 | sktrdie | but I can't seem to find anythign |
| 00:11.46 | Curalton | sry, no idea |
| 00:12.38 | sktrdie | Curalton: maybe you can help me with a kernel question... I basically have a .config file of the kernel... how do I create the actually kernel image |
| 00:12.50 | sktrdie | the vmlinux and initrd.img... |
| 00:13.01 | Curalton | erm. i jus do "make", i do not use the "debian way" |
| 00:13.04 | Curalton | just* |
| 00:13.14 | sktrdie | well, I only have the .config file |
| 00:13.21 | Curalton | i dont use a initrd, i just have the rootfs compiled in |
| 00:13.30 | Curalton | ah, you have to place that in the kernel rootdir |
| 00:13.34 | sktrdie | I don't even know what does the initrd file do |
| 00:13.44 | sktrdie | where's the kernel rootdir? |
| 00:13.47 | sktrdie | /usr/src? |
| 00:13.49 | Curalton | e.g. /usr/src/linux-2.6.13/.config |
| 00:13.55 | Curalton | the source rootdir |
| 00:14.12 | sktrdie | just run make then? |
| 00:14.16 | Curalton | where either the debian kpkg goes or the sources from kernel.org |
| 00:14.30 | Curalton | yes, to be on the safe side "make oldconfig" to recheck the config options |
| 00:16.12 | sktrdie | does the .config file need anything? |
| 00:16.23 | sktrdie | need to be renaimed? |
| 00:16.36 | sktrdie | cuz I basically got the config from the internet |
| 00:17.44 | Curalton | it just has to be named ".config" and put where you run "make" |
| 00:18.46 | sktrdie | ok |
| 00:18.51 | sktrdie | let me try |
| 00:19.59 | sktrdie | you mean like 2.6.11.config |
| 00:20.03 | sktrdie | right? |
| 00:22.48 | Curalton | no |
| 00:22.58 | Curalton | 2.6.11 goes into /usr/src/2.6.11/ |
| 00:23.05 | Curalton | place it as .config in that dir |
| 00:23.10 | Curalton | i.e. "/usr/src/2.6.11/.config" |
| 00:24.25 | sktrdie | ok |
| 00:25.13 | Curalton | well, late here. nn |
| 00:25.55 | sktrdie | damn |
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| 02:51.21 | aire | anyone here experienced with getting X running on a G3, have a Rage128 and I am getting a "Cannot read V_BIOS" error |
| 02:51.56 | aire | scrolling down it complains more about not being able to find the video bios in pci space |
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| 03:49.23 | KQ | hi |
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| 05:22.20 | Rotund | anyone having problems getting their airport to work? |
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| 06:01.03 | aire | which kernel does sarge come with? |
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| 06:37.46 | deadcat | anyone having xorg with ppc? |
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| 07:00.13 | tcsetattr | silence is golden |
| 07:00.16 | deadcat | having problem with xorg? |
| 07:00.35 | timgoh0 | Who exactly is having the problem? And what is the problem? |
| 07:00.48 | deadcat | it hangs my box when i reboot/shutdown |
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| 07:01.04 | deadcat | thats for all 6.8.2 releases so far. |
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| 07:01.10 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Exact error messages? Or syslog messages? |
| 07:01.15 | deadcat | just wondering if i am the only one having this problem |
| 07:01.22 | deadcat | timgoh0: machine hangs. no log |
| 07:02.37 | timgoh0 | deadcat: And where does it hang? Do you see the console? |
| 07:03.44 | deadcat | timgoh0: no. sudo reboot it panics |
| 07:04.18 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Panics? Do you see output stating that it panics? Did the disk spin down? And what specific hardware are you using? |
| 07:04.36 | deadcat | ibook g3 800mhz |
| 07:05.11 | deadcat | it gives a number in the openfirmware thing? but i dont remember the error code. something 75. |
| 07:06.09 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Can you be more specific? You are dropping into open firmware? This is strange. |
| 07:06.35 | deadcat | timgoh0: the only way to be specific is install xorg and hang my box )= |
| 07:07.44 | timgoh0 | deadcat: It shouldn't drop into openfirmware unless an interrupt has been called. |
| 07:08.04 | deadcat | let me see if i can find the error |
| 07:10.52 | deadcat | cant find it |
| 07:11.36 | timgoh0 | deadcat: http://developers.apple.com/ should help you. There should be a database of OpenFirmware errors there. |
| 07:13.12 | deadcat | dead link |
| 07:13.12 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Should have been http://developer.apple.com/ |
| 07:13.17 | deadcat | k |
| 07:15.35 | deadcat | fuck it. let me install xorg and hang my box |
| 07:23.54 | deadcat | timgoh0: well. i dont see the openfirmware error anymore, but it hangs. the console text is huge but i cant see anything after that |
| 07:24.19 | timgoh0 | deadcat: did the disk spin down? |
| 07:24.33 | deadcat | timgoh0: it doesnt move |
| 07:24.47 | timgoh0 | As in did you hear the head retract? |
| 07:25.18 | deadcat | well. the next bootup doesnt fsck.. |
| 07:25.33 | timgoh0 | If the disk has spun down, it's probably because somehow the PMU was not notified about shutdown |
| 07:25.46 | deadcat | oh. any fix? |
| 07:25.51 | timgoh0 | try stopping xorg manually and see if that works |
| 07:25.59 | deadcat | dont work. tried that |
| 07:26.08 | deadcat | went to init 1, then reboot. that doesnt work either. |
| 07:26.18 | deadcat | once xorg loads. it will hang. |
| 07:26.31 | timgoh0 | deadcat: You cannot get into xorg in the first place? |
| 07:26.32 | deadcat | when i start right off to single user and dont xorg, reboot is fine |
| 07:26.41 | deadcat | timgoh0: i can get into xorg |
| 07:26.57 | deadcat | everything is fine. just when ever i use xorg, it will hang when i reboot/shutdown |
| 07:27.37 | timgoh0 | deadcat: what about stopping xorg via /etc/init.d/$YOURDM stop do? |
| 07:27.50 | timgoh0 | where $YOURDM is your display manager |
| 07:28.01 | deadcat | timgoh0: ya. still hangs |
| 07:28.31 | deadcat | once xorg is initialized (DM,startx) it will hang, even if i disable dm, init1 |
| 07:28.58 | deadcat | thats why i want to know if i am the only one having problem with xorg, but no one in this channel is alive |
| 07:29.07 | svenl | piem: luther@debian.org, but i saw your bug report. |
| 07:29.19 | deadcat | ? |
| 07:29.29 | deadcat | svenl: that for me? |
| 07:29.45 | deadcat | guess not |
| 07:29.53 | timgoh0 | deadcat: I believe that the issue lies with xorg not killing itself properly. I am at a loss now. |
| 07:30.05 | timgoh0 | Try taking a look at the init.d files |
| 07:30.22 | deadcat | timgoh0: but if i init 1, all x are killed anyway |
| 07:30.36 | svenl | deadcat: see that i added piem's nick in front, he spoke to me yesterday evening. |
| 07:30.38 | timgoh0 | deadcat: does ps -auxc show X running? |
| 07:31.09 | deadcat | timgoh0: no. when i am in init1, the usual single user stuff running only |
| 07:31.15 | svenl | deadcat: what hardware and graphiccard do you have, what debian version and what X.org package. |
| 07:31.35 | svenl | deadcat: x.org works just fine on my pegasos machines and on my powerbook. |
| 07:31.47 | deadcat | svenl: ibook g3 800mhz ati radeon 7200, xorg -7, unstable |
| 07:31.57 | svenl | it should work. |
| 07:32.00 | deadcat | hmm |
| 07:32.14 | deadcat | svenl: check my xorg.conf? |
| 07:32.21 | svenl | i used to have one like that, but it was pre-xorg. |
| 07:32.28 | deadcat | hmm |
| 07:32.46 | svenl | deadcat: please post both xorg.conf & /var/log/Xorg.0.log online somewhere, ah, and dmesg maybe too. |
| 07:32.57 | svenl | (it was the one with the dying motherboard) |
| 07:32.59 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11 xorg.conf (pandora) |
| 07:33.31 | deadcat | svenl: should i post the Xorg.0.log before the hang? |
| 07:34.39 | svenl | sure. |
| 07:35.04 | deadcat | svenl: xorglog and dmesg.pandora in sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/ |
| 07:35.05 | svenl | (but i need to go to the doctor with my son and need to leave soon). |
| 07:35.11 | deadcat | )= |
| 07:35.21 | svenl | deadcat: maybe you better go to #debian-x ? |
| 07:35.26 | svenl | The requested URL /config/etc/X11 xorg.conf was not found on this server. |
| 07:36.13 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/xorg.conf.pandora |
| 07:36.54 | svenl | disable pageflips maybe. |
| 07:37.18 | svenl | ok, needs to go. |
| 07:37.20 | deadcat | k |
| 07:37.31 | svenl | nothing suspisious, please ask on #debian-x |
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| 09:36.31 | sktrdie | how to you guys make a kernel from source |
| 09:36.32 | sktrdie | ? |
| 09:36.41 | sktrdie | Ive been getting lots of errors |
| 09:36.43 | sktrdie | after make |
| 09:36.55 | sktrdie | and make kpkg |
| 09:40.15 | sktrdie | any help? |
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| 09:52.44 | pahartik | sktrdie: for example "fakeroot make clean && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=kiara.1 kernel_image" |
| 09:55.05 | sktrdie | pahartik: it's wierd because I just untarded the tarball of the kernel |
| 09:55.11 | sktrdie | and it doesn't have any makefile |
| 09:55.23 | sktrdie | so I can't run make-kpkg clean |
| 09:55.25 | sktrdie | and so on |
| 09:58.01 | pahartik | sktrdie: if it is Linux source, there is "Makefile" in it |
| 09:58.11 | sktrdie | it really wierd |
| 09:58.14 | sktrdie | but its' not there |
| 09:58.20 | sktrdie | wait I'll redo the untar |
| 09:58.27 | sktrdie | this is the command I do to untar |
| 09:58.41 | sktrdie | tar --bzip2 -xvf linux-2.6.13.1.tar.bz2 |
| 10:00.31 | pahartik | sktrdie: then "cd linux-2.6.13.1 && ls -l Makefile" |
| 10:05.13 | sktrdie | o now there is |
| 10:05.13 | sktrdie | wierd |
| 10:05.19 | sktrdie | maybe my last untar went bad |
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| 10:06.44 | war- | hey |
| 10:06.48 | war- | anyone compile 2.6.13.1? |
| 10:06.50 | war- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.51 | war- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.51 | war- | arch/ppc/platforms/built-in.o: In function `core99_wake_up': |
| 10:06.51 | war- | : undefined reference to `pmu_register_sleep_notifier' |
| 10:06.51 | war- | make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 |
| 10:12.23 | pahartik | war-: i did not have problems with http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/config-2.6.13.1-kiara-pahartik |
| 10:13.03 | war- | hmm k |
| 10:13.25 | pahartik | war-: ...built for iBook G4 but not tested yet... |
| 10:17.19 | war- | man, I cant even install kde w/debian ppc etch? :) |
| 10:17.20 | war- | :( |
| 10:18.54 | Active2 | there are some broken deps afaik |
| 10:19.06 | war- | damn,do you know when they'll be fixed? |
| 10:19.12 | war- | and is there an mplayer port for ppc? |
| 10:20.07 | war- | (i use debian mostly on x86) |
| 10:20.14 | war- | got a mac mini to play with now though |
| 10:20.45 | Active2 | I use unstable, and it's fixed in unstable already |
| 10:20.55 | Active2 | so I think a week and then it's fixed in testing too |
| 10:20.58 | war- | k |
| 10:21.07 | war- | what type of ppc do you run debian on? |
| 10:21.22 | war- | btw I used to be a mac geek , apple// -> g3/266, got imac mini but mainly x86 here |
| 10:21.27 | Active2 | G4 Silver (but the mac is at school and I don't have access to it atm) |
| 10:21.32 | war- | ah |
| 10:21.40 | Active2 | here too |
| 10:21.58 | Active2 | but that stupid mac (only 450Mhz) is faster then my x86 800Mhz :( |
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| 10:22.44 | war- | Active2: wow |
| 10:23.52 | Active2 | timings of the RAM -> Mac has sdr, around the 500 MB/s (Timing cached reads) while I have DDR in my x86 and it has the same timing cache reads |
| 10:24.27 | war- | well comparing it to p3s and stuff yea. |
| 10:24.30 | war- | your main box ppc or x86? |
| 10:24.49 | Active2 | at school ppc (and there I have also the 800Mhz box) |
| 10:25.00 | Active2 | at home I have a Dual AMD MP with ddr |
| 10:25.24 | war- | nice |
| 10:27.46 | Active2 | but that ppc machine feels really fast :) |
| 10:28.01 | Active2 | so I'm thinking of buying one for home :) |
| 10:28.11 | war- | wow |
| 10:28.17 | war- | I benchmakred w/john and some other stuff |
| 10:28.20 | war- | the mini is not that fast |
| 10:29.42 | Active2 | what hardware does a mac mini have ? |
| 10:30.05 | war- | checking |
| 10:30.17 | war- | 1.2ghz, 512mb of ram, 40gb hdd |
| 10:30.21 | war- | (ata/100, 2mb of cache) |
| 10:30.24 | war- | 32mb ati video |
| 10:30.35 | war- | G4 altivec |
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| 11:18.12 | Danamania | I've just moved from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 on my iMac 400 - and promptly lose ethernet when using 2.6.8. Is there something really daft I'm missing to get it up & working again? |
| 11:18.40 | piem | Danamania: promptly ? |
| 11:18.56 | Danamania | as soon as I boot into 2.6.8, I have no ethernet |
| 11:19.08 | Danamania | 'promptly' isn't the best term to use :) |
| 11:19.17 | piem | that sounds to me like a module has been renamed |
| 11:19.43 | piem | so you need to figure out what device you have, and what module should be loaded |
| 11:29.58 | piem | ravenbird: thanks for updating PowerpcSoundcards :) |
| 11:29.59 | ravenbird | no problem, piem |
| 11:30.14 | piem | uh, ravenbird is a bot ? :) |
| 11:30.33 | piem | ravenbird: are you? |
| 11:30.35 | ravenbird | piem: wish i knew |
| 11:31.06 | piem | SimonRaven: thank you then :) |
| 11:34.18 | piem | svenl: any idea why some of the netfilter stuff isn't activated in the debian kernel? |
| 11:36.21 | svenl | piem: nope, ask on #debian-kernel, i am busy right now. |
| 11:49.41 | pahartik | Danamania: it could be "sungem" |
| 11:51.00 | Danamania | oh. that would make sense. I get 0000:20:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) (rev 01) |
| 11:51.14 | Danamania | for it. (in 2.4 at the moment, comparing what comes up different). |
| 11:54.02 | Danamania | pahartik: that was the one - thanks :) |
| 11:54.14 | Danamania | must have looked past it a half dozen times |
| 12:14.00 | piem | Danamania: echo sungem >> /etc/modules :) |
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| 12:40.45 | sktrdie_ | I cant build a kernel from source |
| 12:41.14 | sktrdie_ | really wierd |
| 12:41.39 | Danamania | piem: I usually use 'modconf' - is there a preferred way to keep modules in? |
| 12:41.39 | pahartik | sktrdie_: and weird |
| 12:41.51 | sktrdie_ | lol |
| 12:42.55 | Danamania | quick fix there. |
| 12:44.49 | piem | Danamania: i think /etc/modules is the preferred way |
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| 12:52.36 | sktrdie | I upgraded to 2.6.12.8 from 2.6.11, and now movies play much choppier, what could it be? |
| 13:06.55 | sktrdie | does anyone here have a powerbook 12" 867 mhz |
| 13:07.03 | sktrdie | maybe he could pass me his kernel config |
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| 13:38.52 | sktrdie | can anyone help me |
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| 15:02.40 | piem | sktrdie: altivec? just a guess... |
| 15:22.31 | Q-FUNK | http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards |
| 15:30.15 | piem | Q-FUNK: nice :) |
| 15:30.30 | piem | i have to add the g5! |
| 15:30.59 | piem | also it could be good to precise which kernel/alsa versions are needed |
| 15:34.29 | Q-FUNK | as I wrote, dat a current as of 2.6.13 (alsa 1.0.9) |
| 15:42.12 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: any chance you could contribute data about your own mac hardware? :) |
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| 15:55.14 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: Snapper, iBook G4 (2004-2005), "PowerBook6,5", everything works but "input" other than "microphone" does not exist |
| 15:56.28 | Q-FUNK | thanks |
| 15:56.45 | Q-FUNK | what about your other ppc hardware, such as Antti's old Mac? |
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| 15:59.38 | luk | Someone an idea how to resolve /usr/bin/ld: dynamic variable `_SDA_BASE_@@WXU_2.6' is zero size |
| 15:59.38 | luk | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../lib/crt1.o(.rodata+0x0): unresolvable R_PPC_ADDR32 relocation against symbol `_SDA_BASE_@@WXU_2.6'? |
| 16:00.07 | luk | or what is going wrong? |
| 16:01.41 | SimonRaven | without more context, we can't help you |
| 16:01.52 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: reload :) |
| 16:03.29 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: is this what you meant? |
| 16:04.13 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: i think so |
| 16:04.46 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: so what I have there corresponds to the options offered by alsamixer for thta ibook? |
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| 16:07.24 | luk | sorry, see http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=poedit&ver=1.3.3-5&arch=powerpc&stamp=1126820198&file=log&as=raw for the full build log |
| 16:08.35 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: yes |
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| 16:09.24 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: ok, thanks :) |
| 16:09.51 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: what about your own [i|power]book? |
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| 16:35.46 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: slightly better layout now |
| 16:37.40 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 16:41.25 | luk | so, has anyone an idea, would a rebuild work (I don't think so, but I'm not really sure)? |
| 16:41.52 | luk | How can such a variable be zero size? |
| 16:42.50 | luk | Is a R_PPC_ADDR32 relocation common in dynamic linked applications? |
| 16:48.19 | _rene_ | Q-FUNK: ? |
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| 16:51.35 | Q-FUNK | http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards |
| 16:51.45 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: any info about your own mac you could add there? |
| 16:55.54 | _rene_ | Hmm. PowerBook 5,6? /me has a 6,5 (iBook G4) |
| 16:56.51 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: I've seen both types mentioned durig the inital thread |
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| 16:57.51 | Q-FUNK | however, now that I noticed, pahartik indeed said 6.5 for his report |
| 16:58.15 | Q-FUNK | _rene_: do your findings match those of pahartik? |
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| 17:14.15 | Q-FUNK | anyone with a beige G3 willing to help ekix get Sarge installed? |
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| 17:15.27 | Q-FUNK | @beige |
| 17:15.41 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: should we have a faq about those? |
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| 17:19.45 | SimonRaven | @listvals beige |
| 17:19.49 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'beige' by value returned no results. |
| 17:19.55 | SimonRaven | @listvals g3 |
| 17:19.57 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'g3' by value (11): newworld ;; g3 ;; slackw4r3 sl4ckw4r3 ;; gatos ;; hays ;; quik ;; madplay ;; libmpeg3 ;; mpg123 ;; slackw4r3 ;; l2cr. |
| 17:20.10 | SimonRaven | @quik |
| 17:20.10 | ravenbird | quik is, like, the primary bootloader for OldWorld PowerMacs. at http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik, or see ng for OldWorld Powerbook G3s |
| 17:20.15 | SimonRaven | @l2cr |
| 17:20.16 | ravenbird | if you have a CPU upgrade card for your older machine (e.g. 7500 or 9600, etc.), and you want to enable the g3 cache do: 1) install the software for it; 2) boot back to linux - but use BootX, *not* quik or other bootloader; 3) make a note of what's in /proc/sys/kernel/l2cr, 4) then write to /etc/sysctl.conf the numbers *only* (kernel.l2cr=the numbers), 5) then ... |
| 17:20.33 | SimonRaven | @factinfo l2cr |
| 17:20.34 | ravenbird | l2cr -- last modified at Tue Aug 24 14:12:19 2004 by simonrvn!simon@simonrvn.cloaked; it has been requested 4 times, last by SimonRaven, 19s ago. |
| 17:20.41 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 17:20.46 | Q-FUNK | nice :) |
| 17:20.56 | Q-FUNK | ekix: that should help you get started :) |
| 17:21.41 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: we should ask Bor_Ed to contribute a quick beige howto |
| 17:22.59 | SimonRaven | @beige g3 is <reply> Sam-I-Am has nicely wrote up some documentation for beig G3s, located at http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/NativeBootGee3OFTwoFour |
| 17:23.00 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 17:23.43 | SimonRaven | @gatos |
| 17:23.44 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, gatos is tv tuner software for ati tv tuners in unix at http://www.core.binghamton.edu/~insomnia/gatos/, or or at http://linuxvideo.org/gatos/, or http://www.iivs.de/schwinde/buerger/tremmel/SUSE71toPBG3/ |
| 17:23.56 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 17:24.01 | SimonRaven | @factinfo gatos |
| 17:24.02 | ravenbird | gatos -- created by Dean <dean@209-130-219-18.nas1.roc.gblx.net> at Sun Feb 20 02:13:50 2000 (2036 days); last modified at Sat Apr 12 22:44:50 2003 by Stee|hawK!hawk@t2o903p114.telia.com; it has been requested once, last by SimonRaven, 18s ago. |
| 17:24.15 | SimonRaven | eh, that's *old* |
| 17:24.49 | ekix | Q-FUNK, SimonRaven, thanks :) |
| 17:25.14 | SimonRaven | @beige g3 =~ s/beig/beige/ |
| 17:25.15 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: OK |
| 17:25.32 | SimonRaven | yes, the bot does regexen ;) |
| 17:25.54 | nailbiter | Good god--no one told me how flipping _fast_ the Dual G5 is under Linux |
| 17:26.41 | nailbiter | Gentoo might just even be bearable on this system :) |
| 17:26.48 | SimonRaven | dual ppc 970... man, that must *FLY* |
| 17:27.28 | ekix | i'm quite sure that my dual opteron runs rings around a dual g5 any day :) |
| 17:27.39 | ekix | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 17:27.51 | SimonRaven | an old power tower pro (mac clone) with 512 mb and a g3/300 is pretty sweet, i can only imagine how much more fast a machine like that is... |
| 17:28.15 | SimonRaven | eh, wouldn't count on it ;). short pipelines do matter |
| 17:28.19 | nailbiter | There's a big rear fan that spins up when the processors get going, and it sounds like a car engine revving. Very intimidating to people nearby :) |
| 17:29.21 | nailbiter | ekix: Meh, Opterons aren't as exotic as these babies. ;-) |
| 17:29.55 | SimonRaven | plus you have legacy 386 code in those, that slows it down too |
| 17:29.57 | ekix | nailbiter, i know. i do have ~30 RISCen @home ;) |
| 17:30.18 | SimonRaven | yay risc :) |
| 17:30.34 | nailbiter | SimonRaven: I don't know why, but the system seems to be somewhat slower under OS X, especially on stuff like big compiles |
| 17:31.08 | SimonRaven | os x is just a hog... all that layered crap. linux is closer to the metal |
| 17:31.45 | SimonRaven | netbsd or other bsd would be similar i bet |
| 17:32.51 | SimonRaven | did you set mol up to use one, or it's mol's loading that's puking? |
| 17:33.02 | SimonRaven | (of the rom file) |
| 17:34.49 | Danamania | all i did was pop a blkdev: line in molrc.macos pointing to /dev/hda10 -rw -boot (that's the OS 9 partition) mol loads, then loads the ROM file from there. |
| 17:34.58 | Danamania | it seems once the ROM file is loaded and looking for a disk it fails |
| 17:35.37 | Danamania | it looks from my point of view like MOL is running a broken mac just fine :) |
| 17:35.57 | nailbiter | Danamania: Does /dev/hda10 contain an Apple partition map? Or is it just an HFS filesystem as-is? |
| 17:36.31 | Danamania | it's a HFS+ filesystem - a normal bootable OS9 install |
| 17:36.45 | Danamania | hda is the single HD in this imac |
| 17:36.55 | Danamania | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.38 | nailbiter | Danamania: Could you perhaps try a --cdboot from the OS 9 install disc? Does /dev/hda9 turn up as a mountable volume then? |
| 17:42.28 | Danamania | I can - though I do notice an error popping up when MOl runs. |
| 17:42.33 | Danamania | Could not open driver 'drivers/blk.nw': No such file or directory |
| 17:43.35 | SimonRaven | comment that out |
| 17:45.33 | Danamania | comment out the blkdev definition? |
| 17:46.00 | SimonRaven | the 'drivers/blk.nw' entry |
| 17:46.28 | Danamania | that's an error message though - it's not in the config file |
| 17:49.14 | Danamania | (and there's nothing in the config files that specifically refers to drivers/blk.nw - or blk.nw alone, even |
| 17:50.28 | sktrdie | I have switched from 2.6.11 kernel to a more recent 2.6.12.8 |
| 17:50.36 | sktrdie | everything works fine |
| 17:50.55 | sktrdie | except I can't get brightness to work (audio adjustment works) |
| 17:51.01 | sktrdie | also movies play much choppier |
| 17:51.08 | sktrdie | and I am not able to watch DVDs cuz of this |
| 17:51.32 | sktrdie | does anyone know why this? |
| 17:52.02 | Danamania | ok - tried the cdboot, which according to MOL is working similarly to the hd booting - tells me it's loading System Folder:Mac OS ROM from the 'Mac OS 9.1' volume (the CD) which then appears not to be able to find a drive. |
| 17:53.07 | Danamania | ungh. don't mind me. stupid. I didn't install the macos drivers package. |
| 17:53.44 | SimonRaven | @ldap scopes is <reply>the "scope=X" in your slapd log mean this: scope=2 is a SUBTREE search; scope=0 is a BASE search; scope=1 is a ONE search |
| 17:53.44 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 17:54.30 | SimonRaven | duh :) |
| 17:54.41 | SimonRaven | can happen to anyone :) |
| 17:55.15 | SimonRaven | brb |
| 17:55.35 | Danamania | I'm too used to all the nice dependency handling that 99% of the time pulls in everything I need |
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| 17:59.23 | Danamania | ha. bizarre. OS9 under MOL recognises my OS X partitions, where OS9 booted natively doesn't |
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| 18:16.32 | piem | hmm, microphone is working on my g4 ibook |
| 18:17.07 | piem | but it's almost n/a as it's a really crappy one :) |
| 18:20.38 | piem | also i don't really get the 'to speakers'/'to headphones' about the burgundy |
| 18:21.22 | Q-FUNK | piem: see the note section. controls are reversed. |
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| 18:23.13 | Q-FUNK | piem: are you still editing? |
| 18:25.03 | piem | Q-FUNK: yes, little things |
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| 18:25.56 | Q-FUNK | piem: let me know when you're done. I was about to save some changes |
| 18:26.20 | piem | Q-FUNK: i'm done now |
| 18:26.56 | piem | what about this daca/keywest? is emac 700 the one with a keywest? |
| 18:27.14 | piem | nice the chronological order :) |
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| 18:35.35 | Q-FUNK | piem: I'm not sure about those. |
| 18:36.13 | Q-FUNK | is the G5 a snapper? |
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| 18:47.08 | Q-FUNK | who changed the G5 line? |
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| 19:03.30 | piem | Q-FUNK: me |
| 19:03.54 | piem | 0 [Snapper ]: PMac Snapper - PowerMac Snapper |
| 19:03.57 | Q-FUNK | is PowerMac really the way the chipset is identified? |
| 19:04.26 | Q-FUNK | as PowerMac 7.2 ? |
| 19:04.33 | piem | $ grep ^machine /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:04.34 | piem | machine : PowerMac7,2 |
| 19:04.52 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 19:04.58 | Q-FUNK | fair enough :) |
| 19:05.02 | piem | :) |
| 19:05.35 | piem | works great no. and i found the bug that prevented loading the debian kernel :) |
| 19:05.44 | piem | s/no/now/ even |
| 19:07.47 | piem | Q-FUNK: do you know about this daca/keywest ? should the 2 keywest lines be merged? |
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| 19:08.58 | Q-FUNK | piem: I don't but it's there among the module list, so there must be a reason. |
| 19:09.37 | Q-FUNK | ok, so G5 is snapper. I'll add the info |
| 19:10.59 | piem | ok, let me know when you're done :) |
| 19:11.18 | piem | i'll just move keywest and dac at the bottom for clarity |
| 19:12.32 | piem | Q-FUNK: done. snapper as well |
| 19:16.11 | Q-FUNK | argh |
| 19:16.22 | Q-FUNK | not nice |
| 19:16.39 | Q-FUNK | you saved before I replied that i'm done. now all the diting is gone |
| 19:16.50 | piem | uh. sorry :( |
| 19:18.22 | Q-FUNK | are you positive about tumbler and keywest? |
| 19:18.48 | Q-FUNK | done |
| 19:19.05 | piem | i didn't change tumbler |
| 19:19.26 | piem | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/03/msg00904.html |
| 19:19.52 | Q-FUNK | ah ok |
| 19:20.01 | Q-FUNK | editing... |
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| 19:21.09 | piem | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/03/msg00919.html |
| 19:21.17 | piem | emac 700 is a snapper, my bad. |
| 19:21.29 | piem | i let you do the correction, sorry for the mess. |
| 19:30.18 | Q-FUNK | done |
| 19:30.21 | Q-FUNK | bbl :) |
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| 21:39.21 | piem | well, 72 revisions in one day on http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards |
| 21:39.41 | piem | and a long way to go :) |
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| 23:40.45 | p8r | Q-FUNK: Hi, i just had a look at your alsa wiki, and can report that alsa on my g3 pismo is working fine except no success with cd playback through the soundcard. |
| 23:51.10 | demon | well, you can't do what you're describing on a pismo anyway |
| 23:51.43 | demon | because there's no analog audio feed from the CD drive to the audio device |
| 23:51.51 | p8r | demon: ok, so i dont have to try! :-) |
| 23:52.10 | p8r | but it might work through software, don't you think? |
| 23:52.26 | p8r | like in OSX (tm) |
| 23:52.29 | demon | there are several CD playing programs that read the raw data off an audio CD and play it, so you can play CDs that way |
| 23:52.41 | demon | yeah, because OS X's CD player does what I'm describing |
| 23:53.07 | demon | reads the raw samples off the disc and blasts them to the audio controller |
| 23:54.33 | p8r | yes and here we come to the point of my first line, since it seems a bit hard to make alsa do it. |
| 23:54.53 | demon | ... alsa has nothing to do with that |
| 23:55.03 | demon | you need to get a CD playing app that does that |
| 23:55.21 | p8r | ok i will try again some day :-) |
| 23:55.25 | demon | there are several, and there is a plugin for xmms (xmms-cdread, I think) that will do it |