| 00:00.06 | p8r | ok thanks for the hint |
| 00:52.20 | sktrdie | how do u guys build a kernel from source in debian? |
| 00:52.27 | sktrdie | I do everything |
| 00:53.05 | sktrdie | but when I come to the point to make the .deb file it gives me a make error in the end |
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| 02:06.09 | Q-FUNK | re |
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| 03:28.05 | pahartik | sktrdie: as described in "/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz" |
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| 03:54.25 | NewPray | anyone around that can help me with the installer ? |
| 03:54.44 | NewPray | i'm having a bit of trouble with it detecting the cdrom device |
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| 10:26.52 | sktrdie | hello |
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| 11:05.24 | Q-FUNK | re |
| 11:05.47 | SimonRaven | 'lo |
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| 11:21.21 | Q-FUNK | hiya |
| 11:21.33 | Q-FUNK | our pmac alsa page is progressing |
| 11:21.58 | Q-FUNK | just added a bits from feedback I got after my post about it to debian-powerpc |
| 11:22.14 | Oryn | cool |
| 11:22.39 | Oryn | has anyone fixed the pmac alsa code yet? |
| 11:22.59 | Q-FUNK | Oryn: some. at least things are improving here on the Burgundy chip |
| 11:23.04 | Q-FUNK | http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards |
| 11:23.24 | Oryn | my mac has some stereo enhancement thing that is set at max when I use it |
| 11:23.33 | Oryn | no way to turn it down |
| 11:23.44 | Oryn | I think its awacs |
| 11:24.40 | Oryn | I gave up with it and mostly boot to osx at least the sound works well on that |
| 11:27.14 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 11:27.31 | Q-FUNK | kernel 2.6.13 (alsa 1.0.9) fixed a bunch for me. |
| 11:29.17 | Q-FUNK | at least, I get pretty much the same support level as I did with the old OSS driver, so much that I no longer compile the old dmasound driver anymore. |
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| 11:50.28 | Q-FUNK | Oryn: the driver would tell what it is |
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| 11:57.03 | p8r | Hi, my Pismo's CD drive stopped working after upgrading to 2.6.13, can anyone point me in a direction to search? |
| 11:57.19 | p8r | Is the CD for example monitored by the cardmanager? |
| 11:57.47 | Q-FUNK | which desktop? |
| 11:58.06 | Q-FUNK | if it's gnome, it could very well becaused by the dbus+hal+gvm combination |
| 11:58.22 | p8r | as i try to mount i get: mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist |
| 11:58.25 | p8r | its on kde |
| 11:58.40 | Q-FUNK | are you using udev? |
| 11:59.13 | pahartik | p8r: "/dev/cdroms/cdrom0"? |
| 11:59.35 | Q-FUNK | then go into /dev and create a symbolic link to the right device e.g. ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom |
| 11:59.56 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: oh yes, it could be that too |
| 11:59.57 | p8r | Q-FUNK: am using devfsd |
| 12:00.14 | p8r | pahartik: there are no cdroms at all in /dev |
| 12:01.21 | pahartik | p8r: then you could try to "modprobe sr_mod" |
| 12:02.58 | p8r | pahartik: sr_mod is already loaded but unused |
| 12:03.49 | pahartik | p8r: oh, is "ide_scsi" module loaded? |
| 12:05.59 | p8r | aha, ide_scsi: module not found! but that's strange, bc when the cd was working with my 2.6.11 this module was not loaded either, so perhaps i had it then compiled into the kernel. Will have a look. |
| 12:06.49 | pahartik | p8r: damn... |
| 12:09.08 | pahartik | p8r: "ls /dev/ide/host?/bus?/target?/lun?/" |
| 12:10.42 | pahartik | p8r: ...does "cd" show up? |
| 12:10.45 | p8r | pahartik: there is no /dev/ide directory. I am still searching my kernel configs and comparing. |
| 12:13.21 | p8r | the kernel configs of 2.6.13 and the working 2.6.13 are unchanged. |
| 12:13.31 | p8r | hgmhmmmn... |
| 12:14.14 | pahartik | p8r: does "dmesg" tell things about CD-ROM device? |
| 12:15.02 | p8r | no, there are some cardmanager errors, but i think that's not about cdrom. |
| 12:15.18 | p8r | one other thing: i think my devsd is not running... |
| 12:16.12 | p8r | got it: "/etc/init.d/devfsd start" gives: no devfs on /dev, not starting |
| 12:16.44 | p8r | did sth change in 2.6.13? i know devfs is deprecated, but keep using it.... |
| 12:16.51 | pahartik | p8r: maybe you should switch to "udev" anyway... default configuration did need just some touching to make it behave like "DevFS" |
| 12:19.24 | pahartik | p8r: i liked the way "DevFS" named devices, so i kept them quite much similar on "udev"... |
| 12:20.41 | p8r | ok, seems like devfsd is out of 2.6.13, so i will have a look at udev then... Darn, that will be some more hours :-) |
| 12:23.50 | pahartik | p8r: only real problem when moving to "udev" was that it required some static device files or kernel would not boot... i had to create at least static "/dev/console" |
| 12:24.34 | p8r | aha, will see, try to install udev now |
| 12:26.01 | Q-FUNK | udev is an already bad idea gone out of hand. |
| 12:27.10 | p8r | Q-FUNK: hahaha! btw did u see my chat message yesterday about your alsa wiki? |
| 12:27.27 | Q-FUNK | p8r: no? |
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| 12:28.43 | Q-FUNK | p8r: were you reporting something about your hardware? |
| 12:29.15 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: compared to "DevFS"? |
| 12:30.01 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: all those dynamic device creation filesystems end up requring exception lists of all sorts. I still prefer the static device list. |
| 12:31.52 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: anything to add or correct to http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards ? |
| 12:32.35 | p8r | Q-FUNK : that was about alsa cvs working on a g3 pismo, except for cd playback through software which is still untested. |
| 12:33.31 | Curalton | let me power up my ibook (and hopefully fix the sid dependency breakage :) |
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| 12:34.58 | lobezno | hi |
| 12:36.08 | p8r | pahartik: where can i find the cdrom in /dev once having udev installed and rebooted? |
| 12:36.30 | p8r | pahartik: or how do i create it? there is still no /dev/ide |
| 12:36.43 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: but i prefer not to have all possible variations of "/dev/ide/host?/bus?/target?/lun?/*" instead of those devices that kernel has detected... |
| 12:37.41 | Curalton | "PowerMac Snapper DMA sound driver rev 016 installed", thus snapper i presume |
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| 12:38.14 | lobezno | pahartik, i still have my problem with dbus, every time i close my ibook screen doesnt comeback from suspend mode |
| 12:38.36 | compguymac | lobezno: hey, im on an ibook too |
| 12:38.43 | compguymac | but when i close the lid, it stays on, haha |
| 12:38.47 | lobezno | compguymac, gnome? |
| 12:38.50 | compguymac | ya |
| 12:38.52 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: ah, bleh, no anonymous editing, could you paste me one exampleline of the wikisourcetable? |
| 12:38.53 | compguymac | debian sarge ppc |
| 12:39.05 | lobezno | compguymac, and you have same problem? |
| 12:39.34 | compguymac | opposite, when i close the lid, the compy stays on |
| 12:39.58 | lobezno | ? |
| 12:40.12 | compguymac | the laptop stays on |
| 12:40.15 | lobezno | then you dont have installed pmud |
| 12:40.15 | compguymac | it doesent go to sleep |
| 12:40.22 | lobezno | apt-get install pmud |
| 12:40.28 | compguymac | yea, i did, lol and it does the ssame thing |
| 12:40.30 | pahartik | p8r: symbolic links to existing rules are located in "/etc/udev/rules.d/" |
| 12:40.32 | compguymac | let me check |
| 12:40.46 | lobezno | compguymac, modprobe apm_emu |
| 12:40.51 | lobezno | that's all |
| 12:41.49 | compguymac | returned nada |
| 12:41.57 | lobezno | ? |
| 12:42.00 | compguymac | debianppc:/home/blake# modprobe apm_emu |
| 12:42.00 | compguymac | debianppc:/home/blake# |
| 12:42.06 | compguymac | returned nothing |
| 12:42.10 | lobezno | close your ibook now |
| 12:42.36 | compguymac | did |
| 12:42.38 | compguymac | same thing |
| 12:42.44 | lobezno | ... |
| 12:42.45 | compguymac | im still here, lol |
| 12:42.59 | lobezno | ok, so then your hardware is broken |
| 12:43.01 | lobezno | buy another |
| 12:43.11 | compguymac | lol |
| 12:43.13 | lobezno | and give me yours, I will use it with the bug |
| 12:43.20 | lobezno | ;) |
| 12:43.20 | compguymac | its not a bug |
| 12:43.39 | lobezno | what is it |
| 12:43.45 | compguymac | 1 sec |
| 12:43.50 | p8r | pahartik: thanks, hmnn, there is no CD listed in there. |
| 12:44.08 | compguymac | ill figure it out since lobezno things its broken hardware |
| 12:44.20 | Q-FUNK | |tumbler |G3 iBook2 (PowerBook 4,1) |yes|yes|yes|yes|n/a|n/a|yes| |
| 12:44.54 | compguymac | what is apmd? |
| 12:45.16 | lobezno | was a joke |
| 12:45.22 | lobezno | you are just doing something wrong |
| 12:45.25 | compguymac | no, im asking |
| 12:45.29 | compguymac | i know u were |
| 12:45.34 | lobezno | apm daemon |
| 12:45.41 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: ty. i have a ibook2 pb 4,3 with a snapper, yet i had a logic board repair, could this be b/c of the hw difference? |
| 12:45.42 | compguymac | ya, i know its a daemon |
| 12:45.51 | compguymac | but what does the apm do? |
| 12:45.51 | lobezno | advanced power managemeng |
| 12:45.54 | compguymac | o |
| 12:45.56 | compguymac | hmm |
| 12:46.00 | compguymac | i have that, nm |
| 12:46.02 | lobezno | but ibook use power managemnt unit |
| 12:46.12 | lobezno | pmud you need to start |
| 12:46.15 | compguymac | ya |
| 12:46.17 | compguymac | i di |
| 12:46.18 | compguymac | d |
| 12:46.21 | lobezno | ok |
| 12:46.27 | compguymac | let me retry |
| 12:47.12 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: could be. does everything work? |
| 12:47.20 | pahartik | p8r: are "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD" and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI enabled? |
| 12:47.31 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: and is that a g3 or g4 ibbook2? |
| 12:47.38 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: g3 ibook2 |
| 12:47.39 | compguymac | nope, still doesent sleep, is there configuration involved also? |
| 12:47.50 | compguymac | ibook g4 here |
| 12:48.05 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: otherwise same results as pb 4.1? |
| 12:48.20 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: no, have yet to test, what non-alsamixer mixer is there? |
| 12:48.37 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: the ncurses alsamixer |
| 12:48.53 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: comes by default with alsa-utils |
| 12:49.38 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: ah, you wanted to test alsa. well, my ibook just locked up switching from dmasound to alsa, hope it is just an error in my script :S |
| 12:50.20 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: damn, some dependency hell still prevails. hmz |
| 12:50.28 | Q-FUNK | oh? |
| 12:50.37 | Q-FUNK | Curalton: testing? |
| 12:50.41 | p8r | pahartik: IDECD is set, IDESCSI is not, |
| 12:50.49 | Curalton | i better first fix that, some x11/xorg conflicts :S - no, sid |
| 12:51.05 | Q-FUNK | sid... *grin* |
| 12:52.00 | Curalton | had this happening about a week ago, thought it was fixed |
| 12:52.35 | pahartik | p8r: either should work |
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| 13:02.18 | p8r | pahartik: so i am a bit clueless, just tried to hardcode the CDROM in the /etc/udev/udev.config file, but no change |
| 13:04.18 | pahartik | p8r: i do not think that helps any |
| 13:05.29 | p8r | pahartik: yes... |
| 13:10.19 | Curalton | There is no problem for which the easier solution is to learn Latin. |
| 13:10.37 | Curalton | stupid aptitude also cant fix the dependendencies... |
| 13:10.46 | Curalton | i guess i have to hand-remove everything that requires X :S |
| 13:15.12 | p8r | a general question, is the CDROM on a G3 Pismo on the IDE Bus? Is it accessed through scsi emulation? |
| 13:17.55 | Curalton | ...here goes half my system. |
| 13:26.28 | Curalton | oh, THAT is it. the x11 packages in ppc/sid are half xfree, half xorg and thus broken |
| 13:31.53 | Q-FUNK | bbl |
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| 13:46.50 | p8r | has there anyone had any problems with udev and cdrom drives? |
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| 14:32.53 | Q-FUNK | re |
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| 16:59.54 | Curalton | can anyone else confirm that on sid/ppc the x11-common stuff is broken? |
| 17:00.15 | Curalton | finaly got out of it by installing a fake x11-common package that doesnt have conflicting files |
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| 17:44.30 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: ok, could you add |snapper |G3 iBook2 w/ logicboard repl. (PowerBook 4,3) |yes|yes|yes|n/a|n/a|?|?| ? |
| 17:44.54 | Curalton | cdrom is broken, mic no idea how to get it working, and it doesn't "beep" either |
| 17:45.34 | Q-FUNK | sound sliek exisiting 4,3 |
| 17:46.44 | Curalton | ah, that muse have been added before i reloaded the page :) |
| 17:47.17 | Curalton | g4 mics work, neat |
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| 18:11.53 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: anything you could contribute to http://wiki.debian.net/?PowerpcSoundcards ? |
| 18:14.23 | Bor_Ed | wiki.... I doubt :) |
| 18:14.57 | Bor_Ed | that's snd_powermac driver ? |
| 18:16.08 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 18:16.12 | Bor_Ed | beige g3 works though ok |
| 18:16.26 | Bor_Ed | it hasn't been checked on the list |
| 18:16.33 | Q-FUNK | can you precise the data for it? |
| 18:17.34 | Bor_Ed | master works, pcm(audio out) works, cd kinda works(requires record enabled for cd and it still breaks the noise), beeper works |
| 18:18.26 | Bor_Ed | I don't have a working mic currently to check out the status of mic in |
| 18:19.58 | Q-FUNK | no line in or speaker? |
| 18:20.59 | Bor_Ed | it only has speaker/headphone out and mic in connectors... I have the poor mans personality card here :P |
| 18:21.00 | Q-FUNK | and is the name of the detected chipset correct? |
| 18:21.22 | Bor_Ed | where I can see the chipset name ? |
| 18:21.48 | Q-FUNK | the driver tells when it loads |
| 18:21.57 | Q-FUNK | or /proc/ |
| 18:22.05 | Bor_Ed | so it's on the dmesg... |
| 18:22.10 | Q-FUNK | in /proc/asound IIRC |
| 18:22.55 | Bor_Ed | 0 [Screamer ]: PMac Screamer - PowerMac Screamer |
| 18:22.55 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.07 | Q-FUNK | ok, so it indeed is a screemer |
| 18:23.14 | Bor_Ed | looks that way |
| 18:23.23 | Q-FUNK | can you run the grep receipe on your cpuinfo |
| 18:23.44 | Bor_Ed | didn't show up a thing |
| 18:24.02 | Bor_Ed | detected as : 48 (PowerMac G3 (Gossamer)) <<-- line is prolly what you are after |
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| 18:27.12 | Q-FUNK | what about 'grep machine /proc/cpuinfo' ? |
| 18:27.42 | Q-FUNK | (without that ^) |
| 18:28.35 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ grep machine /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:28.35 | Bor_Ed | machine : Power Macintosh |
| 18:28.35 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ |
| 18:29.04 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 18:29.12 | Q-FUNK | it's thta old that there's no version ID :) |
| 18:29.33 | Bor_Ed | ver is on 'detected as' field |
| 18:31.46 | Q-FUNK | reload |
| 18:31.51 | Q-FUNK | is this correct? |
| 18:33.41 | Bor_Ed | I can't confirm the input... on output though I have succesfully used these active speakers and passive headphones |
| 18:33.56 | Q-FUNK | yup. marked as ? indeed |
| 18:34.01 | Q-FUNK | see also notes section |
| 18:34.24 | Bor_Ed | yea, checked that |
| 18:35.01 | Bor_Ed | dunno if it's just handless activity from me or what with the cd :) though I generally use digital cd playback so that's not really a biggie for me |
| 18:35.24 | Q-FUNK | any other PPC hardware you might have, other than the beige? |
| 18:35.35 | Bor_Ed | pmac4400/200 |
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| 18:37.23 | Bor_Ed | but it doesn't have snd_powermac available (stock 2.4.27) |
| 18:37.55 | lila | hello. I had a slave drive in my mac containing two partitions, an hfs partition and an ext2 partition for debian-ppc. unfortunately, my mac died and I must now mount my drive in a pc but there is no partition table. what can I do? |
| 18:38.15 | lila | I've searched google groups and asked in #debian, but no luck. perhaps I haven't been looking in the right places. |
| 18:38.26 | Bor_Ed | compile kernel in pc with apple partition map built in |
| 18:39.34 | lila | haha, mwilson in #debian just said the exact same thing and I said I'd wait for feedback in #debianppc before going through the ordeal. |
| 18:39.44 | lila | I guess it's unanimous then, thanks for the quick response. |
| 18:39.50 | Bor_Ed | hehe, no prob |
| 18:39.57 | lila | I'm already excited at the prospect of getting it working. |
| 18:40.17 | lila | by the way, what group should I be in to compile a new kernel? |
| 18:40.19 | Bor_Ed | remember to compile the hfs module too |
| 18:40.34 | Bor_Ed | dunno, I compile mine on fakeroot environment |
| 18:40.43 | lila | right, thanks. |
| 18:41.05 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 19:10.17 | sktrdie | anyone here with a powerbook 12" 867 |
| 19:21.51 | sktrdie | anyone here? |
| 19:21.51 | sktrdie | with a powerbook 12" 867 |
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| 19:50.11 | Q-FUNK | wtf... where's the wiki gone to? |
| 19:54.07 | Bor_Ed | lalaland itseems |
| 19:54.53 | Q-FUNK | odesn't anything ever work at debian, nowadays. |
| 19:55.23 | Bor_Ed | well, that's sarge as stable :P |
| 19:55.37 | Bor_Ed | or maybe they're trying out ubuntus :D |
| 19:55.46 | Q-FUNK | first it was the debconf server disappearing at the wrong time when I needed to show somone what I did there. |
| 19:56.12 | Q-FUNK | now the wiki when we're right in the middle of putting together that list of alsa ppc devices. |
| 19:56.46 | Bor_Ed | as long as I have the cruise beers here the sites can be down :D btw, hellsinks kamppi looked a bit different than 3 years back when I saw it last time :P |
| 19:57.07 | Q-FUNK | w00t |
| 19:57.10 | Q-FUNK | you were here? |
| 19:57.18 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: what else did you see? |
| 19:57.21 | Bor_Ed | yea, only for some mins |
| 19:57.45 | Bor_Ed | we took bus from katajanokka to kamppi... that's it :D |
| 19:58.04 | Bor_Ed | loads of cars and some 'raitsikka' thingies :) |
| 19:58.29 | Q-FUNK | bleh |
| 19:58.57 | Bor_Ed | we were supposed to be in hellsinks for some hours but got a bus that left ~instantly after the arrival of the ferry |
| 19:59.10 | Bor_Ed | s/got/found |
| 19:59.43 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: no tram ride then... |
| 19:59.56 | Bor_Ed | nope, not this time either |
| 20:00.09 | Bor_Ed | maybe next summer... |
| 20:00.19 | Bor_Ed | last time we used only cabs :D |
| 20:01.07 | Bor_Ed | didn't get tunnelbana ride in stockholm either... friend dropped by to pick us up with a beemer :o |
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| 20:07.01 | kzin | yo |
| 20:07.34 | Bor_Ed | y0 |
| 20:07.41 | kzin | it's alive :) |
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| 20:08.23 | kzin | ibook suspend-to-ram problem. if anyone's in the mood. |
| 20:08.49 | kzin | used to work... till i upgraded the ibook. the newest g4 14" from july. |
| 20:09.06 | kzin | i spent hours getting it working on the old one, so having it not work now is a major bummer. |
| 20:09.27 | kzin | "pbbcmd query sleepsupported" says "0", and that's where i'm at. |
| 20:09.38 | kzin | any ideas, or directions, or consolation? |
| 20:09.41 | Bor_Ed | don't have *book here, sowwy |
| 20:09.47 | Bor_Ed | check /topic for hints |
| 20:10.00 | kzin | hmm? |
| 20:10.19 | kzin | no... |
| 20:10.22 | Bor_Ed | there at least used to be some ibook howto |
| 20:10.37 | kzin | googled some. |
| 20:10.59 | kzin | has to be recent... since july. |
| 20:11.02 | kzin | i'll try that... |
| 20:12.00 | kzin | if not *book, what're you at? |
| 20:12.31 | Bor_Ed | I've got some desktop macs running linux |
| 20:13.16 | kzin | ah |
| 20:13.45 | kzin | i'll try #linuxppc, thanks :) |
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| 20:20.35 | Bor_Ed | pahartik and Q-FUNK drop the telly chan to mtv :D |
| 20:23.14 | Q-FUNK | no mtv here |
| 20:27.47 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 20:27.59 | Bor_Ed | they have launch show from finnish mtv right now |
| 20:28.59 | Q-FUNK | ah |
| 20:29.08 | Q-FUNK | well, i have neither cable or digitv, so... |
| 20:29.18 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i do not have Common Interface, Conax CAM and access card that would be required for MTV Finland... |
| 20:30.56 | Q-FUNK | soon enough, none of it will matter: we'll all be nice grammex slaves licking karpelan's boots |
| 20:32.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, mtv finland is available at least in astra and telenor satellites without cards too |
| 20:32.43 | Bor_Ed | don't ask for coordinates :D |
| 20:32.46 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i only have DVB-C and DVB-T... |
| 20:32.53 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 20:33.00 | Bor_Ed | dvb-c should do then |
| 20:35.12 | Bor_Ed | aww shite, first clip was some 'him' whine and now 'dö rasmus' whining :I |
| 20:35.31 | Bor_Ed | why in earth they took music off from the chan on the launch :( |
| 20:37.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "MTV Fin", "MTV Nordic", "MTV Base", "MTV 2" on my "channels.list" are all encrypted... |
| 20:38.18 | Bor_Ed | ouch |
| 20:38.53 | Bor_Ed | and we just had mtv nordic to move to fin ... dunno why they did the change at telco :I |
| 20:39.28 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: however, i love DVB |
| 20:40.55 | Bor_Ed | our 14" and 20" are pretty decent with anal(og) broadcast too... I don't bother to get boxes for those since frigging telco takes an arm and a leg to get to see anything but tv1, tv2, mtv3, nelonen and swede tv4 in the cable |
| 20:41.06 | Bor_Ed | if I go digital, it'll be satellite |
| 20:42.35 | Bor_Ed | going to estonia? |
| 20:43.10 | Q-FUNK | most likely so, yes |
| 20:43.11 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: adding tuners is easy as long as one has got free PCI slots... |
| 20:43.37 | Q-FUNK | not that it's any easier to move there as a non-eu citizen, but at least they don't beat around the bush like here. |
| 20:44.01 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: well, it's the telco who runs the cable here and they've ripped me off '2' too many times so far |
| 20:44.34 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: didn't go to norway to fish factory after all ? :D |
| 20:44.45 | Q-FUNK | the main issue is business and job opportunties. this coutry is dead, while eesti is on the rise. |
| 20:45.40 | Bor_Ed | yea, estonia (as well as russia) has had some serious investments in last couple of years |
| 20:46.06 | Q-FUNK | another issue is how this country keeps on talking about how immigration is important, but makes it impossible in practice. |
| 20:46.54 | Q-FUNK | meanwhile, it only took one blogger to tell estonians that a mor eopne immigration policy is necessary to turn skype into the new nokia and they immediately listened. |
| 20:48.01 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 20:48.08 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i have decided that i will never buy DVB tuner without open source firmware |
| 20:48.28 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: have had bogus HW ? |
| 20:50.14 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: no, i just think it is better that way |
| 20:50.24 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
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| 22:38.12 | lila | I'm on a pc trying to mount a slave drive which came from a mac (partition 1 formatted as hfs, partition 2 as ext2). |
| 22:38.33 | lila | however, fdisk can't find the partition table and I think I compiled support for the mac partition table into my kernel |
| 22:39.29 | lila | "Macintosh partition map support", that's what I added to my kernel as well as HFS support |
| 22:42.38 | crashinglinux | Don't you need that in your .config: |
| 22:42.38 | crashinglinux | CONFIG_HFS_FS=y |
| 22:42.38 | crashinglinux | CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=y |
| 22:43.00 | crashinglinux | Or something like that .. |
| 22:44.00 | lila | crashinglinux: I have those configurations as modules |
| 22:44.17 | lila | the problem is that I need to read the partition table of the drive |
| 22:44.38 | crashinglinux | did you load the modules? |
| 22:45.20 | crashinglinux | modprobe <whatever> |
| 22:46.28 | lila | CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION=y |
| 22:46.49 | lila | the macintosh partition map support is compiled in the kernel, HFS and HFS+ are compiled as modules. |
| 22:47.52 | crashinglinux | HFS and HFS+ modules are loaded? "lsmod | grep <modules-pattern>" |
| 22:48.14 | lila | yes, I have loaded them explicitly as well. however, the problem comes prior to accessing the filesystem. |
| 22:48.29 | lila | the problem is with reading the partition table which mac and pc don't do the same way. |
| 22:51.18 | lila | weird thing though, /proc/partitions displays a bunch of partitions. |
| 22:51.29 | lila | I'm going to try to mount some of those partitions, don't know how that can work |
| 22:53.07 | lila | I get the start block, I wonder what I can do with those. |
| 22:54.16 | dukez | hi |
| 22:55.34 | crashinglinux | I have currently mounted some HFS Partition on a SCSI disk, via firewire, to my Powerbook: |
| 22:55.34 | crashinglinux | /dev/sda2 on /media/bootstrap type hfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
| 22:55.34 | crashinglinux | /dev/sda4 on /media/ieee1394disk type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 22:58.19 | crashinglinux | the bootstrap partition is /dev/sda2 .... the actual data is on sda4 |
| 22:59.07 | crashinglinux | not being sure if this helps |
| 23:00.11 | dukez | any report on G5/agp/r300 ? |
| 23:01.07 | crashinglinux | lila: Please note sda4 is ext3 here ... |
| 23:01.54 | crashinglinux | the whole stuff automounted by Gnome (as soon as I plug in the disk ... ) |
| 23:03.00 | Curalton | lila: check dmesg, it should list the paritions at the very start if it recognized them |
| 23:06.48 | lila | Curalton: right, this is what I have: hdb: [mac] hdb1 hdb2 hdb3 hdb4 hdb5 hdb6 hdb7 hdb8 |
| 23:06.58 | lila | those are also listed in /proc/partitions |
| 23:07.48 | lila | however, I am unable to mount these partitions: sudo mount -t hfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt |
| 23:08.02 | lila | returns: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, |
| 23:08.23 | lila | in dmesg: VFS: Can't find a HFS filesystem on dev hdb1. |
| 23:08.31 | lila | I also tried with hfsplus, doesn't work either. |
| 23:08.43 | lila | I seem to be almost there, but I can't mount the darn partitions |
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| 23:10.13 | pahartik | lila: use "disktype" on that disk device? |
| 23:10.39 | compguymac | still trying to make ibook go to sleep with lid is closed |
| 23:11.08 | Curalton | lila: what does "file -s /dev/hdb1" say? |
| 23:11.41 | Curalton | lila: do file -s /dev/hdb[1-8], also is there a mac-fdisk available? |
| 23:13.44 | lila | Curalton: I actually looked for mac-fdisk, couldn't find a source version I could comile or a binary version for i386. |
| 23:14.22 | lila | pahartik: I didn't know about that program, installing it. |
| 23:14.23 | Curalton | usually the first parition on a mac is the parition talbe, maybe you are trying to open that. try the file or the disktype commands (file -s actually looks into the nodes) |
| 23:15.11 | lila | interesting, only hdb5 seems to have an HFS partition on it. |
| 23:15.29 | Curalton | oh, right. driver disks too for os 9 sometimes |
| 23:16.19 | lila | brb, my terminal is skrewed up |
| 23:19.56 | compguymac | anyone to help with the ibook problem? |
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