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| 03:00.42 | jpablo | hi, has anybody got the external video output in a ibook with the new xorg ? |
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| 03:35.26 | xmb | why .. aint there a fsck.hfs on x86 |
| 04:02.47 | simonrvn | did you check for the hfs utils? |
| 04:03.17 | simonrvn | probably because most x86 users won't even have hfs... you could fetch the source for the packages, and build it locally |
| 04:13.51 | xmb | i checked, nowhere |
| 04:14.17 | xmb | probably cause.. it pisses me of that it isnt there cause any reason, but its nothing big |
| 04:18.56 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:26.01 | xmb | no mac-fdisk package too |
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| 11:08.44 | Bor_Ed | hmm, any way I could get imac cd to work on beige g3 ? 2 imac cds boot but refuse to install (os 8.5 and 9.0) |
| 11:14.19 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i did use FireWire target mode to get MacOS X installed on another computer... |
| 11:31.52 | Bor_Ed | no firewire here :D |
| 11:32.16 | Bor_Ed | oh well, found a 'generic 9.1' image... got to try that out |
| 11:32.51 | Bor_Ed | though if you have jaguar generic 3 cd set, let me know :D |
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| 15:22.59 | saigon | Hello. |
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| 16:25.41 | saigon | Guys, does anybody of you have a Power Mac MDD? |
| 16:28.14 | Q-FUNK | hm?? |
| 16:28.50 | saigon | The last G4 series, Mirrored Drive Door case |
| 16:29.28 | saigon | I miss the "reset" button and I don't know if it is any keys combination to reboot it. |
| 16:29.46 | saigon | I mean, when ctrl-alt-del is too weak :D |
| 16:30.25 | pahartik | saigon: hold power button down? |
| 16:31.03 | saigon | Yes, I know. |
| 16:31.27 | saigon | But the earlier G4 has just a reset button, without turning off the computer. |
| 16:32.25 | pahartik | saigon: if one needs "reset", there is something wrong anyway |
| 16:35.44 | pahartik | saigon: does it not work like that if you use <Control>-<Command>-<Power>? (or was it <Control>-<Option>-<Power>?) |
| 16:37.14 | saigon | I must try, bu not now. :) |
| 16:37.25 | saigon | So or so -- thank you for the advice. |
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| 16:42.32 | saigon | I am working on a piece of howto |
| 16:42.39 | saigon | related to especially my machine |
| 16:43.07 | saigon | I mean -- typical topic: "OS X + Debian on ..." |
| 16:43.45 | saigon | I hope it will be useful for someone one day :) |
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| 17:32.37 | Bor_Ed | wee, paster here again |
| 17:32.46 | Q-FUNK | =) |
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| 18:06.27 | os2finn | hi all |
| 18:06.48 | Bor_Ed | iltaa |
| 18:07.06 | os2finn | samaa iltaa :( |
| 18:07.13 | os2finn | tsori :) |
| 18:07.18 | Bor_Ed | having blast with karpelas decision ? :P |
| 18:07.22 | pahartik | hello os2finn |
| 18:07.55 | os2finn | Bor_ed : nah I dont mind about her decisions :) |
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| 18:08.09 | Bor_Ed | you really need to read more /. :I |
| 18:08.25 | Bor_Ed | story has been running all week on finnish irc chans though |
| 18:08.36 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Can you give me a quick revision? |
| 18:08.54 | Bor_Ed | we're shit out of luck with audio playback and with f/oss |
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| 18:09.49 | os2finn | oh that one MP3 hype has been too far.... |
| 18:09.58 | Bor_Ed | http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/09/23/1513203.shtml?tid=141&tid=158&tid=3&tid=106 <<-- /. coverage |
| 18:11.37 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.38 | os2finn | :D |
| 18:12.33 | Bor_Ed | http://koti.mbnet.fi/ubck/muro/karpela.jpg and so on... |
| 18:12.50 | os2finn | I have been too busy with work to follow new finnish laws :) |
| 18:12.54 | Bor_Ed | http://asrobo.hut.fi/~rennex/eduskunnalle.txt <<-- is a doc I signed too |
| 18:13.22 | jaska | someone needs to bomb äkt |
| 18:13.39 | jaska | and gramex and all the other turds. |
| 18:13.47 | Bor_Ed | and eduskunta ... |
| 18:14.04 | Bor_Ed | ^ to the to be bombed list |
| 18:14.35 | jaska | indeed |
| 18:15.21 | os2finn | well I miss times when we made copies of C64 games with two deck cassette players :) |
| 18:15.34 | jaska | heh |
| 18:15.47 | Bor_Ed | yea... or print copying the 'drm' of the games :D |
| 18:16.25 | os2finn | :D I wonder why no ministers were interested in it.... |
| 18:16.50 | Bor_Ed | M$ (and nokia) didn't exist back then |
| 18:17.09 | Bor_Ed | and getting the 0-daywarez with 300bps modem wasn't too common either |
| 18:17.49 | jaska | 1200bps! |
| 18:18.03 | os2finn | how much money per year is enough for M$? |
| 18:18.24 | jaska | microsoft should be terminated |
| 18:18.26 | os2finn | I had 2400bps :) (king of the hill) |
| 18:18.31 | Bor_Ed | ~1.5k eur/seat according to IT staff at work |
| 18:18.56 | saigon | re |
| 18:19.35 | os2finn | yep split into two companies micro and soft |
| 18:20.09 | Bor_Ed | we have some of the servers running on linux and unix nowadays because of the costs but all desktop and most of the servers still have M$ |
| 18:20.30 | Bor_Ed | (too much inhouse (VB) code to be able to move to open platforms anytime soon) |
| 18:20.53 | os2finn | hmmm how about reactos? |
| 18:21.00 | jaska | heh, not that far yet |
| 18:21.14 | jaska | wine would probably be a solution quicker than reactos |
| 18:21.33 | os2finn | hmmm but doesnt wine need windows license? |
| 18:21.38 | Bor_Ed | we have activeX and WCe handhelds at work... |
| 18:22.08 | Bor_Ed | wine usually works mostly without original libs and doesn't require license |
| 18:22.15 | Bor_Ed | www.winehq.hu (iirc) |
| 18:22.35 | os2finn | ok then its changed since i tried it couple years back |
| 18:22.44 | jaska | wce is utter garbage |
| 18:22.46 | Q-FUNK | would karpelan please go back to being the dumb stripper that she really is? |
| 18:22.47 | Bor_Ed | it hasn't needed M$ license ever |
| 18:22.58 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: amen :D |
| 18:23.34 | os2finn | well Matti Nykanen is also stripper they could make a tour together now :) |
| 18:23.39 | jaska | yeah |
| 18:23.55 | os2finn | and maybe some nice song too |
| 18:24.00 | Bor_Ed | masa is famous ski jumper DAMNIT !!! |
| 18:24.38 | Q-FUNK | elämä on effi |
| 18:24.43 | jaska | they removed masa's brains so he would glide further |
| 18:24.46 | Bor_Ed | laiffii... |
| 18:24.46 | jaska | to save on weight |
| 18:24.51 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: ...and musician |
| 18:25.11 | os2finn | MP3 ei oo laiffiii... |
| 18:25.19 | os2finn | ;) |
| 18:25.19 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: that should be taken to eyes and to teeth of ätk, really :P |
| 18:26.35 | jaska | thinking about this all just makes my blood boil |
| 18:26.48 | Bor_Ed | welcome to the club |
| 18:26.56 | Q-FUNK | somehow I think that she would make more money appearing naked in hustler in their next Beautiful at 40 special than saying insanities in eduskunta |
| 18:27.13 | Bor_Ed | I really need to hide the muvo and mp3/cd player as well as these macs and just get p4 with XP |
| 18:27.40 | jaska | p4 with xp? planning on playing games? thats all its good for :) |
| 18:27.57 | Q-FUNK | mac: the computer of those subversive blogers trying to bring the world into the chaos of free content |
| 18:28.09 | os2finn | hmmm XP is not good for that either PS is a lot better |
| 18:28.21 | jaska | os2, well, console games typically suck bad |
| 18:28.26 | Q-FUNK | linux: the computer of those pesky cyber terrorists |
| 18:29.15 | os2finn | free content ?? hmmm... long time when I heard that ... I almost remember what it was... |
| 18:29.31 | jaska | content free :) |
| 18:30.01 | Q-FUNK | jaska: no no no. content fre is what you find in stores. free content is what you find at creative commons |
| 18:33.53 | Bor_Ed | jaska: p4 with XP is only 'legal' setup in next month :( |
| 18:34.37 | Q-FUNK | we should make politicians and companies illegal. |
| 18:34.40 | os2finn | hmmm I have to stop nerding until this law is shutdown :( |
| 18:35.19 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: same here... I need to wipe even the mockos installs from these boxen |
| 18:36.03 | Q-FUNK | why don't we just wipe out the eduskunta and grammex, instead? |
| 18:36.11 | Q-FUNK | and EU too, while we're at it. |
| 18:36.18 | jaska | new world disorder! |
| 18:36.40 | Bor_Ed | I've said that from year '93 ... we really need to give a hint to W that we have WMD here |
| 18:36.46 | simonrvn | nah, just organise into small autonomous groups ;) |
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| 18:36.51 | Bor_Ed | ...inside EU that is |
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| 18:37.12 | Q-FUNK | weapons of mass derision? liedes has that |
| 18:37.38 | Bor_Ed | yea, so does olkiluoto and what was the other thingy |
| 18:37.56 | Bor_Ed | ...destruction... damnit :) |
| 18:38.10 | jaska | imnsho all sovereign nations have the right to bear nuclear arms |
| 18:38.15 | Q-FUNK | ah, you mean near porvoo... |
| 18:38.21 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:51.00 | os2finn | btw does any finnish nerds here know company called robotronic? |
| 18:51.26 | Q-FUNK | hm? |
| 18:51.44 | os2finn | they make PC based CNC controls |
| 18:52.17 | Bor_Ed | I recall seeing the name |
| 18:52.38 | Bor_Ed | prolly at my enics(elcoteq) times |
| 18:52.51 | os2finn | We are going to start using their controls in company I work |
| 18:53.33 | os2finn | just wondering what it keeps inside |
| 18:58.28 | Bor_Ed | never took a peek to the gear... prolly some pc104 or other embedded stuff running vxworks or inhouse OS |
| 18:59.10 | jaska | someone runs vxworks on x86? |
| 18:59.21 | jaska | wth. |
| 18:59.42 | Bor_Ed | pc104 has most commonly powerquiccs and m68k's |
| 19:00.04 | jaska | pc104/pc104+ stuff seems to be mostly x86 |
| 19:00.23 | Bor_Ed | checked recently (aka in last 15 years) ? :) |
| 19:00.42 | jaska | .. yes, i used to deal with that stuff regularly |
| 19:00.53 | jaska | until july this year |
| 19:01.12 | Bor_Ed | I've seen loads of non-x86 stuff growing on to the specs lately |
| 19:02.07 | jaska | well, i havent. |
| 19:02.34 | jaska | the ppc boards i dealed with were custom |
| 19:02.37 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i have been too busy on watching national "Big Brother" to pay attention to changes in audio copyright rules |
| 19:02.40 | Bor_Ed | www.linuxdevices.com is the site I tend to follow pretty closely, nice stuff but still way out of my league |
| 19:03.03 | jaska | regular pc104 is crap :) |
| 19:03.07 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: we don't see BB here, thanks to the cable/telco operaror |
| 19:03.17 | Bor_Ed | jaska: well, pc104+ and ebx mostly :) |
| 19:03.38 | jaska | seen more compactpci stuff with ppcs |
| 19:03.45 | jaska | than pc104+ |
| 19:04.18 | Bor_Ed | yea, 440 and 5200 chips brought some new companies to developing ppc gear |
| 19:05.42 | jaska | 8245 and 8275 for me iirc |
| 19:05.57 | Bor_Ed | no 8451d ? :D |
| 19:06.43 | jaska | well, not my problem anymore |
| 19:07.14 | Bor_Ed | 82xx are powerquicc 2's, right ? |
| 19:07.28 | jaska | hmmh, yeah they had some extra onboard stuff |
| 19:08.00 | jaska | the cpm that is |
| 19:08.08 | jaska | yeah powerquicc 2 |
| 19:08.33 | jaska | ahh, 8247 |
| 19:08.36 | Bor_Ed | too bad I don't have the gear/software to build boards for such chips... my skills end up to 8/16 bit stuff :P |
| 19:09.55 | jaska | some earlier junk had 855 |
| 19:10.59 | Bor_Ed | I wouldn't mind having an open board based on mpc5200... not actually powerquicc but it's a decent chip |
| 19:13.11 | jaska | yeah i wouldnt mind some lightweight boards to play with in r/c vehicles :) |
| 19:13.36 | Bor_Ed | wearable is close to my heart here :) |
| 19:13.47 | os2finn | is MC68HC11 already forgotten ? |
| 19:14.04 | Bor_Ed | it's still used... though it has its limitations |
| 19:14.34 | os2finn | I have one homebrew board with 68HC11E2 chip |
| 19:15.11 | os2finn | If I recall correctly it runs this "OS" from Motorola free site |
| 19:15.27 | jaska | heavy emphasis on the double quotes :) |
| 19:16.21 | os2finn | well it was supposed to have multitasking and you could assing different priorities to different tasks |
| 19:16.48 | os2finn | We made this board/experiments ten years ago in School |
| 19:17.35 | Bor_Ed | os/9 ... I'm about to build wdc65c265 based boards here |
| 19:18.09 | jaska | os/9.. i thought the 68xx one ran only 6809 / hitachi 6309 |
| 19:18.19 | jaska | or whatever the ehanced 6809 clone was |
| 19:18.30 | jaska | never seen it anywhere myself, doesnt seem too common in finland |
| 19:19.12 | Bor_Ed | 68hc11 is based on 6809... just has some gear onboard that usually was shipped on external ships |
| 19:19.47 | Q-FUNK | 6809e |
| 19:20.17 | jaska | only 8-bitters ive used were 6502/6510 :) (c64 and the floppy toaster oven) |
| 19:23.05 | Bor_Ed | 6510 pwns :D |
| 19:23.25 | Bor_Ed | I have 8502 next to mee though too (c128dcr :) |
| 19:24.05 | jaska | the desktop case one? \o/, i always thought that was neater than the keyboard case one |
| 19:24.18 | jaska | a friend had one |
| 19:24.44 | Curalton | heh |
| 19:24.59 | Curalton | the ipod nano has a 8bit arm! |
| 19:25.08 | jaska | q, :P |
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| 19:27.34 | pahartik | Curalton: and FireWire is missing |
| 19:28.29 | Bor_Ed | jaska: I don't have KB for it currently though, only use hacked c64 kb and miss some of the goodies with that :I |
| 19:31.05 | jaska | :| |
| 19:31.24 | os2finn | hmmm... where does one find specs for S3 VIsion 864...? |
| 19:31.35 | Curalton | pahartik: and ogg support :( |
| 19:31.40 | Bor_Ed | nowhere... S3 cards are evil |
| 19:31.54 | os2finn | PREP PREP PREP :) |
| 19:32.39 | pahartik | Curalton: yes, but i accept MPEG-4 AAC to make up for it |
| 19:32.49 | jaska | s3 = "syöksy sementtiin saatana" |
| 19:32.54 | Curalton | aac is quite patent infested |
| 19:33.33 | os2finn | hmmmm... does Weitek P9100 sound better then ? :D |
| 19:33.35 | pahartik | Curalton: OGG AAC would only be slightly less so |
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