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| 09:46.59 | saigon | Hello. |
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| 10:18.49 | grivell | hi saigon |
| 10:42.11 | Active2 | hi |
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| 13:08.29 | sktrdie | help guys |
| 13:08.38 | sktrdie | I cant compile my kernel from source |
| 13:08.48 | sktrdie | I always get a segmentation fault of some kind |
| 13:08.51 | sktrdie | when I od |
| 13:09.19 | johill | is your currently running kernel preempt enabled? |
| 13:09.28 | sktrdie | mmm |
| 13:09.30 | sktrdie | I dunno |
| 13:09.34 | sktrdie | what is it? |
| 13:10.07 | johill | what kernel are you compiling under? |
| 13:10.45 | sktrdie | Im using 2.6.12-8 |
| 13:10.56 | johill | from the debian package? |
| 13:10.59 | sktrdie | yea |
| 13:11.15 | johill | does it have /proc/config or /proc/config.gz ? |
| 13:11.50 | sktrdie | nope |
| 13:11.57 | johill | hmm |
| 13:12.00 | sktrdie | I have no config file in /proc |
| 13:12.55 | johill | I can't find that kernel |
| 13:13.05 | sktrdie | I dunno |
| 13:13.09 | sktrdie | it came with Debian |
| 13:13.10 | pahartik | sktrdie: "grep PREEMPT < /boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
| 13:13.37 | johill | ah, there's the config file, thanks |
| 13:14.12 | sktrdie | pahartik: that returned nothing |
| 13:14.14 | pahartik | sktrdie: after executing that, you should know |
| 13:14.37 | sktrdie | huh? |
| 13:14.49 | sktrdie | I executed it |
| 13:14.57 | johill | that's strange |
| 13:15.05 | pahartik | johill: i thought so too |
| 13:15.05 | sktrdie | "grep PREEMPT < /boot/config-$(uname --release) |
| 13:15.19 | sktrdie | o sorry |
| 13:15.19 | johill | you really typed the leading " ? |
| 13:15.20 | sktrdie | lol |
| 13:15.30 | johill | don't type either one |
| 13:15.32 | sktrdie | ok it said that CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set |
| 13:15.37 | johill | ok |
| 13:15.47 | johill | that's not it then |
| 13:16.25 | sktrdie | thats not the problem? |
| 13:16.28 | sktrdie | ok |
| 13:16.29 | johill | I frequently had segfaults during compilation with a preemptible kernel |
| 13:16.39 | sktrdie | I get them always |
| 13:16.41 | sktrdie | always different |
| 13:16.53 | sktrdie | I compile doing make-kpkg binary |
| 13:16.59 | sktrdie | to make the .deb file |
| 13:17.03 | sktrdie | but it never finished |
| 13:17.09 | sktrdie | I always get the error |
| 13:17.16 | johill | on what hardware? |
| 13:17.21 | sktrdie | powerbook 12" |
| 13:17.25 | sktrdie | 867 mhz |
| 13:17.51 | pahartik | sktrdie: if you show me configuration file, i can ask my iBook G4 to build Linux 2.6.13.1 |
| 13:18.09 | sktrdie | you can do that?? |
| 13:18.10 | sktrdie | sure |
| 13:18.12 | sktrdie | wait |
| 13:19.48 | sktrdie | pahartik: this is the config I setup: http://sktrdie.org/.config |
| 13:20.01 | sktrdie | It should be from kernel 2.6.12 |
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| 13:21.01 | sktrdie | wait |
| 13:21.07 | sktrdie | when You do make menuconfig on it |
| 13:21.12 | sktrdie | also go in: |
| 13:21.33 | sktrdie | Device driver->Graphical |
| 13:21.43 | sktrdie | take off the FIRMWARE framebuffer |
| 13:21.51 | sktrdie | that always gave me problems |
| 13:21.57 | sktrdie | then save the config |
| 13:21.58 | sktrdie | and compile |
| 13:22.06 | sktrdie | :P |
| 13:22.44 | sktrdie | *Graphics |
| 13:28.28 | sktrdie | pahartik: you there? |
| 13:29.37 | pahartik | sktrdie: iBook G4 seems to be willing to co-operate |
| 13:29.52 | sktrdie | eheh |
| 13:30.02 | sktrdie | say thnx to him/her |
| 13:33.26 | sktrdie | remember the Firmware, that always gives me problems |
| 13:33.33 | sktrdie | btw it's wierd that I am not able to compile |
| 13:33.38 | sktrdie | :( it's sad |
| 13:33.52 | pahartik | sktrdie: broken RAM chips? |
| 13:40.22 | sktrdie | why? |
| 13:40.24 | sktrdie | i dont think so |
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| 14:04.22 | pahartik | sktrdie: is this generic kernel configuration? |
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| 14:26.43 | pahartik | sktrdie: does it need "--initrd"? |
| 14:40.59 | pahartik | sktrdie: if it does not, it is at "http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/kernel-image-2.6.13.1_sktrdie.1_powerpc.deb" |
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| 16:19.28 | sn9 | kinda quiet in here atm... |
| 16:20.15 | grivell | Looks like Java plugin will work on PPC/Linux |
| 16:20.21 | grivell | http://ubuntuppc.info/index.php?node=18 |
| 16:21.49 | sn9 | i've looked into that before |
| 16:22.07 | Bor_Ed | the jre has always worked with linux/ppc there's just no browser plugin currently |
| 16:22.34 | sn9 | couldn't figure out how to hack the plugin to use IBM java, but i didn't look that hard |
| 16:22.41 | Bor_Ed | hmm, the gcjplugin is news indeed |
| 16:23.07 | sn9 | no, i've known about gcjwebplugin for close to a year |
| 16:23.40 | Bor_Ed | wee. installs only 21 megs of junk to disk :D |
| 16:25.01 | sn9 | including all of GCJ |
| 16:25.33 | Bor_Ed | and some libs :I |
| 16:25.59 | grivell | If you use Konqy, you can point to the java executable itself |
| 16:26.07 | grivell | (ibm jre) |
| 16:26.10 | Bor_Ed | no bloat for me, thanks |
| 16:26.23 | grivell | :-D |
| 16:26.28 | sn9 | it's like what happens with OOo if you don't make a .deb of ibm java first |
| 16:27.01 | Bor_Ed | I have oo.o here but haven't got ibm java |
| 16:27.26 | sn9 | 1 or the beta of 2? |
| 16:27.43 | Bor_Ed | dunno, what ships with sid |
| 16:28.31 | Bor_Ed | ii openoffice.org 1.1.4-7 high-quality office productivity suite |
| 16:31.15 | chrisa | Interesting, my usb ports are using ehci so in theory they're working as usb2 |
| 16:31.37 | chrisa | Yet the access speed for my ipod shuffle as a disk is awful, I'd say around 50KB/s |
| 16:32.02 | Bor_Ed | I have ehci too on the pci card here... mp3 stick transfers are relatively speedy |
| 16:32.31 | chrisa | I recall a way to check the access speed with hdparm, but I've long since forgotten |
| 16:32.46 | Bor_Ed | hdparm -tT /dev/whatever |
| 16:32.47 | chrisa | Currently to copy a gig of mp3s to it I'm looking at about 4 hours |
| 16:34.23 | sn9 | i'm not so sure the shuffle is a usb2 device |
| 16:35.12 | chrisa | Pretty sure it is, especially considering the ipod software bitches on windows that you should be using a usb2 port for optimal speeds |
| 16:35.19 | _rene_ | 1.1.x has Java completely disabled |
| 16:35.58 | chrisa | Even if it in't usb2, I can fill it on windows and osx in about 5-10 minutes. So something is up in linux that I need to work out |
| 16:36.34 | sn9 | _rene_: openoffice.org2-amd64 has it enabled |
| 16:36.46 | _rene_ | yes, because that's OOo2 |
| 16:36.56 | _rene_ | and you apparently are not using Debian ;-) |
| 16:37.25 | sn9 | true, on the debian box, there is no OOo2 |
| 16:37.54 | _rene_ | but you know that it is in experimental, right? |
| 16:38.22 | sn9 | i haven't added exp. to sources.list |
| 16:38.33 | chrisa | oh, wait. I think I'm using sync under 2.6 |
| 16:38.38 | chrisa | That could cause some issues with speed |
| 16:38.40 | _rene_ | aha |
| 16:38.54 | _rene_ | anyway, in a few days/weeks this will solve itself anyway :) |
| 16:39.06 | _rene_ | (when 1.1.x will vanish) |
| 16:39.59 | chrisa | haha, it was sync |
| 16:40.56 | sn9 | speaking of 2.6, has anybody heard of any work being done on kexec for ppc? |
| 16:41.31 | grivell | A much needed toy ;) |
| 16:41.41 | chrisa | kexec for ppc would be fun |
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| 16:42.56 | Bor_Ed | ibm site pukes on registration... damnit! |
| 16:42.56 | sn9 | i downloaded the userspace sources that i could find for it, and ppc64 support looks decent, but ppc32 seems to be GameCube-only |
| 16:44.10 | sn9 | Bor_Ed: are you outside the US? IBM doesn't like to export Java... |
| 16:44.46 | Bor_Ed | I used to have the package from the same site... though my developerworks account expired ages back and now I tried to create new |
| 16:44.47 | sktrdie | pahartik: what is the --initrd for? |
| 16:44.51 | Bor_Ed | and yea, outside US, thank gawd |
| 16:46.30 | sn9 | if you figure out how to get IBM to let you dowwnload it again, it would make a great FAQ entry |
| 16:47.00 | Bor_Ed | naa, I'll pick some old blackdown for the job :D |
| 16:47.42 | sktrdie | pahartik: did you also disable the FIRMWARE framebuffer? |
| 16:48.26 | pahartik | sktrdie: for occasions when not enough drivers are built in to get to root filesystem |
| 16:48.49 | sktrdie | mm I see |
| 16:48.50 | sktrdie | well |
| 16:49.06 | sktrdie | the .deb should install everything right? put the vmlinux in place and everything else.. right? |
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| 16:49.49 | Bor_Ed | hmm actually sn9, I did wget the tarball last time from ibm ftp |
| 16:50.11 | pahartik | sktrdie: yes, but one still needs to edit "/etc/yaboot.conf" |
| 16:50.24 | sktrdie | yea |
| 16:50.27 | sktrdie | and ybin after |
| 16:50.28 | sn9 | oooh. they have direct ftp access? |
| 16:50.35 | sktrdie | ok ill try it |
| 16:50.54 | Bor_Ed | sn9: yup, with reg info at start... ftp://user:pass@.... |
| 16:51.23 | sn9 | what's the rest of it? |
| 16:51.39 | Bor_Ed | like I'd have the address saved :D |
| 16:52.39 | sn9 | although, since they like to use e-mail addresses as usernames, i doubt it would still work |
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| 16:56.35 | sktrdie | pahartik: in yaboot.conf what should I put for initrd? |
| 16:59.05 | pahartik | sktrdie: nothing, as i did not build one... if it is required, i have to try again |
| 16:59.57 | pahartik | sktrdie: never tried creating kernel with initrd, i just have configured kernels to get along without |
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| 17:04.49 | sktrdie | pahartik: |
| 17:04.55 | sktrdie | I dunno if it needs one |
| 17:04.58 | sktrdie | but there's one now |
| 17:05.03 | sktrdie | what if I leave that one |
| 17:05.08 | sktrdie | it's the 2.6.12-8 one |
| 17:05.34 | sktrdie | I think it will most likely give me a kernel panic without initrd |
| 17:05.40 | pahartik | sktrdie: if kernel is not configured right, it will not be bootable |
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| 17:06.17 | sktrdie | pahartik: what should i do |
| 17:06.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, xchat is broken :I |
| 17:06.54 | sn9 | what's it doing? |
| 17:07.07 | pahartik | sktrdie: i did not pay attention to configuration settings, just built that package... |
| 17:07.16 | sktrdie | I did |
| 17:07.23 | sktrdie | now Im configuring yaboot.conf |
| 17:07.25 | Bor_Ed | giving some 'GARBAGE' messages and that's it |
| 17:07.32 | sktrdie | the kernel image is selected |
| 17:07.38 | sktrdie | but there's also theintird field |
| 17:08.10 | pahartik | sktrdie: that is why i asked to have configuration file and if it needs "--initrd" |
| 17:08.50 | sktrdie | well is there a way now to make it work without.. like you said you are not using it, how do I make my system work without using it |
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| 17:10.10 | pahartik | sktrdie: yes, one can configure kernel to have required drivers built in instead of modules |
| 17:10.58 | sktrdie | you use that? |
| 17:11.21 | sktrdie | damn well I will anyway need to remake the .deb :( |
| 17:11.28 | sn9 | sktrdie: if you don't make a module out of essentials like ext2/3 and your ide controller, you should be fine |
| 17:12.05 | sktrdie | I usually add modules |
| 17:12.11 | sktrdie | like my USB wifi card module |
| 17:13.31 | sn9 | i prefer making supplemental .deb files with additional modules that aren't in the kernel .deb |
| 17:14.05 | sktrdie | well I manually add them |
| 17:14.09 | sktrdie | why .deb them? |
| 17:14.24 | sn9 | "make-kpkg modules_image" is a great convenience |
| 17:14.55 | sktrdie | whats the point of initrd then? |
| 17:15.18 | sktrdie | to I have to rebuild my kernel to not use it |
| 17:15.54 | sn9 | initrd is for loading modules prior to /sbin/init |
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| 17:17.36 | sktrdie | so if right now I boot without and initrd what should happen? |
| 17:18.13 | sn9 | either it will work fine, or it won't find /sbin/init |
| 17:18.36 | sktrdie | ok ill try |
| 17:18.39 | sktrdie | with the old one |
| 17:18.41 | sktrdie | brb |
| 17:18.49 | sktrdie | its gonna kernel panic of course |
| 17:18.52 | sktrdie | but hey |
| 17:29.00 | sn9 | so, kexec on ppc... |
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| 17:46.05 | sktrdie | pahartik: didnt work, Im gonna try building it myself , can you tell me what you did? |
| 17:46.17 | sktrdie | pahartik: ok basically I got the 2.6.13.2 source |
| 17:46.25 | sktrdie | pahartik: I untarded it |
| 17:46.34 | sktrdie | went into the folder |
| 17:46.42 | sktrdie | and dropped the .config I have |
| 17:46.57 | sktrdie | then run: |
| 17:46.57 | sktrdie | sudo make-kpkg clean |
| 17:47.05 | pahartik | sktrdie: "time fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=sktrdie.1 kernel_image" |
| 17:47.15 | sktrdie | huh? |
| 17:47.18 | sktrdie | time fakeroot? |
| 17:47.19 | sktrdie | whats that |
| 17:47.40 | sktrdie | make-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image modules_image |
| 17:47.43 | sktrdie | this is what I found |
| 17:48.32 | sn9 | why are you doing both kernel_image and modules_image? |
| 17:48.35 | pahartik | sktrdie: "fakeroot (1) - run a command in an environment faking root privileges for file manipulation" |
| 17:48.41 | sktrdie | o ok |
| 17:48.43 | sktrdie | I use sudo |
| 17:48.46 | sktrdie | anyway |
| 17:48.47 | sktrdie | yea |
| 17:48.54 | sktrdie | shoujld I add modules_image |
| 17:48.55 | sktrdie | too? |
| 17:48.58 | sktrdie | and of course --initrd |
| 17:49.28 | pahartik | sktrdie: "time (1) - run programs and summarize system resource usage" |
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| 17:50.38 | pahartik | sktrdie: "modules_image" is for building modules outside kernel source |
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| 18:10.56 | sktrdie | I don't know |
| 18:10.58 | sktrdie | its not working |
| 18:11.00 | sktrdie | damn |
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| 18:11.12 | sn9 | symptom? |
| 18:11.27 | sktrdie | should I do modules_image or kernel_image? |
| 18:11.37 | sn9 | kernel_image |
| 18:11.41 | sktrdie | ok |
| 18:11.43 | sktrdie | so this is what I do |
| 18:12.11 | sktrdie | ake-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image --initrd |
| 18:12.14 | sktrdie | is that right? |
| 18:12.23 | sktrdie | it will create a .deb |
| 18:12.33 | sktrdie | Ill try it |
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| 18:29.37 | sktrdie | no way |
| 18:29.40 | sktrdie | I awlays get error |
| 18:29.43 | sktrdie | I cant compile a kernel |
| 18:29.45 | sktrdie | dunno why |
| 18:29.46 | sktrdie | :( |
| 18:30.00 | sktrdie | pahartik please be my saver and remake the .deb for me with initrd |
| 18:30.11 | sktrdie | I cant seem able to make it myself |
| 18:32.21 | pahartik | sktrdie: i guess i can try |
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| 18:44.58 | pahartik | sktrdie: if i somehow manage to find out how that is done |
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| 18:49.49 | pahartik | sktrdie: installing "initrd-tools" and using "--initrd" does not seem to be enough... |
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| 19:07.54 | pahartik | sktrdie: ok, i do not know how to create kernel image with initrd, gave up after trying few things |
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| 19:32.15 | mooch | any idea how to make a fn key work in a post-feb 15" powerbook? |
| 19:34.42 | johill | search the archives of the debian-ppc mailing list, or google |
| 19:40.40 | sktrdie | pahartik: there's a problem? I think the tag --initrd is sufficient |
| 19:40.56 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:41.01 | sktrdie | otherwise can you teach me on how not to use initrd |
| 19:41.10 | simonrvn | you also need to build the support into the kernel |
| 19:41.48 | simonrvn | if you don't want it, then do both remove support (i.e., run make menuconfig or such) and don't use --initrd |
| 19:42.40 | sktrdie | the problem with my computer is that I cant seem to be able compile the kernel |
| 19:42.48 | sktrdie | I always get seg faults after a while |
| 20:02.54 | pahartik | sktrdie: configure kernel so that... drivers for devices that you always have are built in, drivers for devices that you might want to use are modules, drivers for everything that is not likely to be used are disabled |
| 20:04.02 | pahartik | sktrdie: that is how i configure kernels specific to workstations i use |
| 20:08.46 | mooch | sktrdie: segfaults during compilation are a sign of bad memory or bad processor cooling |
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| 20:26.59 | sktrdie | mooch |
| 20:27.00 | sktrdie | really? |
| 20:27.07 | sktrdie | so its not a software issue |
| 20:27.09 | sktrdie | mmm |
| 20:27.12 | sktrdie | I wonder |
| 20:33.40 | sktrdie | so seg faults are because my powerbook sucs? |
| 20:35.38 | sk1p | or because your kernel has preemtion stuff compiled in.. |
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| 20:36.54 | sktrdie | let me check |
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| 20:45.53 | two-face | Hi |
| 20:48.53 | two-face | what defines _ARCH_PPC64 ? |
| 20:49.19 | sktrdie | thats the g5 I believe |
| 20:49.27 | two-face | is it gcc? |
| 20:49.34 | sktrdie | ???? |
| 20:49.53 | two-face | where does this symbol come from |
| 20:50.19 | two-face | do you see what I mean? |
| 20:50.21 | sktrdie | sk1p: CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set |
| 20:50.30 | sktrdie | nope |
| 20:51.05 | two-face | sktrdie: it is a gcc internal on g5, or a libc internal, or a kernel stuff? |
| 20:51.23 | sktrdie | read me the entire line |
| 20:51.58 | two-face | ? |
| 20:52.19 | two-face | whare is it defined? |
| 20:52.26 | two-face | where is it defined? |
| 20:54.12 | two-face | ok |
| 20:56.23 | mooch | sktrdie: if you dont have it set in the RUNNUNG kernel, then it might be a hardware problem |
| 20:57.23 | mooch | running, even |
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| 21:35.06 | sktrdie | mooch: hardware? but I have 640 mb of ram |
| 21:35.10 | sktrdie | and 867 mhz |
| 21:35.19 | sktrdie | and they work pretty much fine |
| 21:38.32 | mooch | sktrdie: try stressing the system in another way |
| 21:38.42 | mooch | put some other compilation to run or something like that |
| 21:38.59 | mooch | apt-cache show stress |
| 21:39.16 | mooch | s/stress/crashme/ |
| 21:39.19 | mooch | for example |
| 21:40.16 | rcy | hi yrithinnd |
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| 21:40.30 | yrithinnd | hi rcy :) |
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| 23:05.45 | chrisa | hmm, I don't think Mupen64 is going to build on PPC |
| 23:05.48 | chrisa | Too many opcode issues |
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