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| 01:58.27 | demon | anyone know why the firefox 1.5beta1 sources in experimental haven't made it into the binary archives? I used my ppc box at the office to build a set of debs and installed them on my pismo, and it's hot. |
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| 05:01.15 | pahartik | demon: have you used that PowerBook G3 for long time? does it work well (sleep and everything)? |
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| 09:43.57 | low_lo | Does debian detect wireless keyboard+mouse set during installation ? |
| 09:44.28 | low_lo | Is there any particular keyboard+mouse set that i should prefer ? |
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| 09:53.03 | lixus | i tried to install debian sarge 3.1 from netinstall iso on a G4 TiBook but install-2.4 stucks while booting. |
| 09:53.58 | lixus | "install" with 2.6.8 works flawless. is install-2.4 known for trouble ? |
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| 11:32.55 | karasz_ | hi everybody |
| 11:32.57 | karasz_ | I will try to install Debian on IBM OpenPower |
| 11:32.59 | karasz_ | anybody cares to give me some hints? |
| 11:33.56 | Bor_Ed | sacrificing goat would probably help too |
| 11:34.06 | wcstok | *shrug* worked for this powermac...though still cant boot the damn thing without bootx |
| 11:34.15 | karasz_ | i am a peacefull man |
| 11:34.31 | karasz_ | anything withiut sacrifice animals or ppl? |
| 11:34.32 | Bor_Ed | bootx is a pita but it gives peace of mind |
| 11:34.58 | Bor_Ed | try googling for chrp debian powerpc or similar |
| 11:35.18 | Bor_Ed | openpower is chrp iirc |
| 11:35.19 | karasz_ | no bootable cd? |
| 11:35.30 | karasz_ | yes |
| 11:35.30 | Bor_Ed | I'd guess either netboot or floppies |
| 11:35.48 | karasz_ | but netboot is only for 32 |
| 11:35.58 | karasz_ | OpenPower are 64 based |
| 11:36.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, that'll make the install interesting :) |
| 11:36.53 | karasz_ | do you know http://tuxppc.rz.uni-augsburg.de/ |
| 11:37.18 | Bor_Ed | seen the site before, yea |
| 11:37.32 | karasz_ | they have a boot cd |
| 11:37.34 | karasz_ | http://ftp.uni-augsburg.de/pub/tuxppc/test/Debian-Installer-CD/ |
| 11:38.10 | karasz_ | i dld the iso and looked around a bit |
| 11:38.19 | Bor_Ed | so just boot to maintenance console and boot off from it |
| 11:38.41 | karasz_ | i guess so but i am a little puzzled about it |
| 11:39.04 | karasz_ | after booting i guess that i need to launch apt |
| 11:39.15 | Bor_Ed | nope, debootstrap |
| 11:39.25 | Bor_Ed | it's the installer binary (iirc again) |
| 11:39.35 | karasz_ | can you please give me a little roadmap? |
| 11:40.14 | Bor_Ed | I've never done manual debian install but there might be some documentation online to do that... or you could check out installer script on 'normal' ppc install cd and figure out from that |
| 11:40.24 | karasz_ | in the iso are only yaboot |
| 11:40.33 | karasz_ | vmlinux |
| 11:40.37 | karasz_ | initrd,gz |
| 11:40.54 | Bor_Ed | initrd.gz has the needed stuff |
| 11:40.54 | karasz_ | chrp and bootinfo,txt |
| 11:40.58 | karasz_ | ok |
| 11:41.06 | Bor_Ed | most probably :) |
| 11:41.09 | karasz_ | that was what i was looking for |
| 11:41.34 | karasz_ | initrd.gz contains only initrd is that ok? |
| 11:41.46 | Bor_Ed | mount that to loopback to see what's in |
| 11:42.03 | Bor_Ed | (mount -o loop -t ext2 initrd /some/mount/point) |
| 11:43.42 | karasz_ | on win :) ? |
| 11:44.19 | karasz_ | that was a joke ofcourse |
| 11:48.32 | Bor_Ed | winhoser naturally |
| 11:49.22 | karasz_ | could not mount |
| 11:49.47 | karasz_ | can't find ext2 filesystem on loop0 |
| 11:50.01 | karasz_ | or loop1 or loop2 |
| 11:50.43 | karasz_ | any hints? |
| 11:50.55 | Bor_Ed | hmmm, nope, sowwy |
| 11:51.10 | karasz_ | shouldn't i prepare ext2 on loop? |
| 11:51.17 | karasz_ | first? |
| 11:51.19 | pahartik | karasz_: use "file" or "disktype" on that file? |
| 11:52.37 | karasz_ | file initrd |
| 11:52.46 | karasz_ | initrd: Linux Compressed ROM File System data, big endian size 4538368 version #2 sorted_dirs CRC 0x85d09880, edition 0, 3183 blocks, 668 files |
| 11:53.13 | karasz_ | isn't that cramfs? |
| 11:53.30 | pahartik | karasz_: maybe it needs "-t romfs" or whatever? |
| 11:54.57 | karasz_ | no luck with -t romfs |
| 11:55.21 | pahartik | karasz_: how about "-t ramfs"? |
| 11:56.17 | pahartik | karasz_: ...or "-t auto" |
| 11:57.32 | karasz_ | ramfs sort of works |
| 11:57.43 | karasz_ | it doesn't produce an error |
| 11:57.57 | karasz_ | but no files are visible in that dir |
| 11:58.00 | karasz_ | it is empty |
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| 12:00.37 | karasz_ | anyway |
| 12:00.49 | karasz_ | i edited initrd |
| 12:01.02 | karasz_ | and found in it the string apt-install |
| 12:01.20 | karasz_ | so i guess that initrd contains what i need |
| 12:01.33 | karasz_ | i wil try when my OpenPower arives |
| 12:04.43 | karasz_ | i was right it is cramfs |
| 12:05.16 | karasz_ | but from what i remember i need to do some offset to mount it |
| 12:05.37 | karasz_ | anyone? |
| 12:06.46 | karasz_ | something like mount -o loop -t cramfs initrd --offset nr. of bytes |
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| 16:34.40 | thouters | hi, is anyone here using azureus (bittorrent client) on ppc linux? |
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| 16:43.53 | sktrdie | hello |
| 16:44.19 | Zambba | Hello |
| 16:44.51 | sktrdie | I've been able to compile my kernle bymyself, so I go and boot but I get lots of lines saying the same thing: file missing /lib/modules/2.6.13.2/module.dep |
| 16:44.51 | mirak | thouters: me |
| 16:45.01 | mirak | thouters: with IBM java it works |
| 16:45.02 | sktrdie | I've checked and it's modules.dep, not module.dep, so what do I do? |
| 16:45.29 | Zambba | What was the name of the standalone bootloader for OldWorlds? |
| 16:45.51 | sktrdie | BootX? |
| 16:46.26 | Zambba | It isn't standalone |
| 16:46.32 | demon | quik |
| 16:47.59 | Bor_Ed | quik |
| 16:48.23 | Zambba | okay |
| 16:48.38 | Zambba | Has PowerMac 9600 Open Firmware? (Does quik work on it) |
| 16:48.44 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:48.53 | Bor_Ed | OF is only accessible from serial console though :) |
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| 16:49.11 | sktrdie | can anyone help me with the module.dep problem? |
| 16:50.55 | Zambba | Is there any USB add-on card which works on PowerMac 9600 and Debian? :S |
| 16:52.28 | Bor_Ed | Zambba: I picked up random pci usb 2.0 ehci adapter and it works like a charm on beige g3 |
| 16:53.03 | Bor_Ed | card identifies as: 0000:00:0d.3 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller (rev 01) |
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| 16:55.04 | Zambba | :) |
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| 17:17.16 | Zambba | Is there a tool which can be used for manipulating (decreasing) existing Mac OS partitions |
| 17:17.33 | Bor_Ed | not that I'm aware of |
| 17:18.56 | Danamania | but wouldn't use one anyway, so never remembered their names |
| 17:19.55 | Danamania | ahh. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/15360 is one mentioned. does need OS X though. |
| 17:20.03 | simonrvn | parted has hfs support, but last i heard it was still very experimental |
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| 17:21.17 | sktrdie | Help |
| 17:21.26 | Bor_Ed | didn't even know parted runs on non-x86 |
| 17:21.27 | sktrdie | I get this error when I boot into my new compiled kernel |
| 17:21.46 | sktrdie | modprobe: FATAL: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.13.2/modules.dep no such file or directory |
| 17:21.52 | sktrdie | repeated many times |
| 17:21.57 | sktrdie | till it goes in kernel panic |
| 17:22.09 | Bor_Ed | you made modules_image too? |
| 17:22.23 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: my brother bought PowerBook G3 FireWire (Pismo) and used Debian GNU/Linux sarge DVD on it... |
| 17:23.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Debian installer uses GNU parted... |
| 17:23.56 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed: I did make vmlinux make modules_install |
| 17:24.04 | simonrvn | sktrdie: um, did you install the modules? did you use make-kpkg to build your kernel? |
| 17:24.22 | sktrdie | simonrvn: no I used "make vmlinux make modules_install" |
| 17:24.24 | simonrvn | well, d-i uses libparted and partman |
| 17:24.27 | sktrdie | after that I copied the vmlinux |
| 17:24.30 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: use kernel-package |
| 17:24.34 | simonrvn | @k-p |
| 17:24.36 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: oh :o |
| 17:24.41 | simonrvn | @kp |
| 17:24.41 | ravenbird | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' |
| 17:24.50 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed I cant, everytime I go with the kernel package I end up with a Segmentation Fault |
| 17:25.12 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I have made 2.6.13.2 with it and certainly hasn't segfaulted :o |
| 17:25.32 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed: I tried everything, and it always seg faults |
| 17:25.43 | Bor_Ed | weird |
| 17:25.46 | sktrdie | but with "make vmlinux make modules_install" it doesnt |
| 17:25.52 | pahartik | simonrvn: and "parted" uses "libparted"... |
| 17:25.54 | simonrvn | bbl |
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| 17:26.46 | sktrdie | any ideas? |
| 17:27.15 | Bor_Ed | use stock kernel as base and make .deb based on its .config |
| 17:27.37 | sktrdie | omg |
| 17:27.42 | sktrdie | I told you I get seg fautls |
| 17:27.58 | Bor_Ed | then reinstall kernel-package... there's something fishy with its install |
| 17:31.41 | sktrdie | ok |
| 17:31.49 | sktrdie | Im gonna make-kpkg now |
| 17:31.52 | sktrdie | see what happens |
| 17:31.54 | sktrdie | but I doubt |
| 17:32.04 | sktrdie | you sure its a kernel-package problem the seg faults? |
| 17:34.05 | Bor_Ed | that or lack of memory |
| 17:38.29 | sktrdie | i have 640 mb |
| 17:38.38 | Bor_Ed | not that then :) |
| 17:39.03 | sktrdie | where do I see the memory info? |
| 17:39.21 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.39 | sktrdie | ok |
| 17:39.41 | sktrdie | 640 yea |
| 17:39.43 | sktrdie | but its wierd |
| 17:39.49 | sktrdie | in top |
| 17:39.53 | sktrdie | it says I have 640 |
| 17:39.57 | sktrdie | and 630 is in use |
| 17:39.58 | sktrdie | wow |
| 17:40.08 | Bor_Ed | nothing weird in that |
| 17:40.14 | sktrdie | ok |
| 17:40.15 | sktrdie | :P |
| 17:40.16 | Bor_Ed | linux uses unused ram as cache |
| 17:40.20 | sktrdie | yea |
| 17:40.26 | sktrdie | ok Ill try the mkpg again |
| 17:41.26 | sktrdie | I feel like I have a fever, but dunno |
| 17:42.56 | sktrdie | sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image modules_image |
| 17:42.59 | sktrdie | this is the command right? |
| 17:43.06 | sktrdie | I think I use initrd also |
| 17:43.11 | sktrdie | how should I do it with initrd? |
| 17:43.12 | sktrdie | you know? |
| 17:43.15 | Bor_Ed | no |
| 17:43.28 | sktrdie | do u use initrd? |
| 17:43.33 | Bor_Ed | fakeroot make-kpkg binary_arch |
| 17:43.34 | sktrdie | I have never figured out |
| 17:43.41 | sktrdie | that'sit? |
| 17:43.47 | Bor_Ed | I don't use initrd, it's only needed for install kernels |
| 17:43.52 | sktrdie | and it creates also initrd? |
| 17:44.02 | sktrdie | I don't know |
| 17:44.09 | Zambba | GNU Parted has a HFS shrinking ability |
| 17:44.09 | sktrdie | I dont know what intird even is |
| 17:44.18 | Bor_Ed | you don't need initrd |
| 17:44.41 | sktrdie | but I if I boot without anything in yaboot for initrd it doesnt boot |
| 17:45.04 | Bor_Ed | then you need to fix the kernel config before build |
| 17:45.21 | Bor_Ed | as I said, you don't need initrd anywhere else than for install kernel |
| 17:45.39 | Zambba | but how could I use GNU Parted :S |
| 17:46.05 | Bor_Ed | no idea, neverhad need for it |
| 17:46.19 | Bor_Ed | there are sites online that have howtos most probably |
| 17:46.38 | sktrdie | Bor_Ed how do I configure the .config to not use intird? |
| 17:46.39 | Zambba | my problem is that I have enough problems getting linux into the box |
| 17:46.48 | Zambba | I have to use boot-floppies and etc. |
| 17:47.18 | Bor_Ed | sktrdie: you don't select it on menuconfig |
| 17:47.58 | sktrdie | where is it |
| 17:48.47 | Bor_Ed | hmm, can't recall offhand |
| 17:51.04 | Bor_Ed | might be # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM is not set |
| 17:51.23 | Bor_Ed | I always use menuconfig though and it's something like initial ramdisk or such in there |
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| 18:12.58 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: nice |
| 18:14.48 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: yes, but it probably means lots of questions :) |
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| 18:17.15 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: obviously, since it |
| 18:17.24 | Q-FUNK | 's his first venture into Debian |
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| 18:48.41 | Sam-I-Am | anyone here ever make d-i custom kernels? |
| 18:49.20 | Sam-I-Am | the whole d-i system seems to suck compared to the old pre d-i way of wedging kernels onto floppy disks |
| 18:49.38 | Sam-I-Am | nothing works as the documentation says |
| 18:49.45 | Sam-I-Am | what little documentation there is |
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| 18:58.17 | Uchiha | Why doesn't my soundcard work with my mac mini in Debian Sarge? |
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| 19:17.40 | Uchiha | is there a way to get JRE 1.5 for ppc linux? |
| 19:19.33 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 19:19.54 | Uchiha | Then why is there azureus for ppc linux?? |
| 19:20.13 | Bor_Ed | no idea... I only use native apps |
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| 19:50.06 | demon | azureus doesn't require the 1.5 JRE... it runs fine on IBM's 1.4 JRE with appropriate SWT binding libraries |
| 19:50.27 | demon | I've run it on my pismo |
| 19:50.34 | demon | it's not speedy, but it does work |
| 19:57.08 | _rene_ | it can't be speedy, itz's java :-P |
| 19:57.16 | Bor_Ed | I just found out btdownloadcurses... it does the job for the bt downloads |
| 19:58.27 | demon | yeah, I find the bittornado client to be the best choice on linux/ppc |
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| 19:59.02 | demon | it's the python bittorrent + some extra features... it's available as a package |
| 19:59.08 | juliux | hi |
| 19:59.30 | Bor_Ed | I have that too but haven't managed to launch it yet :D |
| 20:00.01 | juliux | i have a very strange problem, all of my kernel higher then 2.6.11.11 only boot if i had started mac os bevor, any ideas what i can do? |
| 20:02.04 | witch | and other kernels work? |
| 20:02.40 | juliux | witch, yes 2.6.11.11 and lower works, but no perfect |
| 20:03.29 | juliux | witch, if try to boot a 2.6.13.2 kernel without booting mac os bevor it hangs up by setup_arch:enter |
| 20:05.50 | Bor_Ed | hehe, it doesn't hang, you just have wrong framebuffer device on kernel |
| 20:06.40 | juliux | Bor_Ed, but why it works if i have started mac os bevor? |
| 20:07.01 | juliux | Bor_Ed, an i did not hear any hd activation |
| 20:07.18 | Bor_Ed | probably you just have closely missed the device... like mach64 family chips |
| 20:08.06 | juliux | ok i will look if it is so |
| 20:08.25 | Bor_Ed | if it isn't, then there's something really wrong on kernels |
| 20:10.25 | juliux | Bor_Ed, i think it is a problem with openfirmeware |
| 20:10.37 | Bor_Ed | could be that too |
| 20:10.52 | juliux | ok now it boot without any problems |
| 20:11.58 | juliux | Bor_Ed, do you know which framebuffer options i need for a nvidia card? |
| 20:12.24 | Bor_Ed | ummm, I'd hang myself if I'd have nvidia gfx... so no |
| 20:12.33 | juliux | ok thxs |
| 20:12.54 | juliux | do you know how i can update openfirmeware? |
| 20:13.22 | Bor_Ed | osx install upgrades OF afaik... don't know how to do that in linux |
| 20:14.46 | juliux | very strange now the 2.6.13.2 boot two times without any problems |
| 20:16.04 | witch | I have just seen, other people have the same problem |
| 20:16.40 | Bor_Ed | lkml might have some discussion about such too |
| 20:17.00 | juliux | witch, yes but they patch the kernel an good |
| 20:17.12 | juliux | Bor_Ed, lkml? |
| 20:17.24 | Bor_Ed | linux kernel mailing list |
| 20:17.30 | juliux | Bor_Ed, thxs |
| 20:18.06 | juliux | so now it hangs up |
| 20:18.08 | juliux | shit |
| 20:20.58 | witch | my system just works fine with the default kernel - but no sound. ;-) |
| 20:21.43 | juliux | witch, what is the default kernel for you? |
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| 20:44.10 | witch | sarge install: 2.6.8-powerpc |
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