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| 00:06.07 | witch-jw | that might be used in another run level. |
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| 10:12.18 | os2finn | hi Bor_ed |
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| 10:21.52 | chgtg | newbie say hello |
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| 10:44.35 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: howdee |
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| 11:11.52 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Howdee pardener |
| 11:12.14 | Bor_Ed | what's up there down below ? :) |
| 11:12.52 | os2finn | http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-POWER-PC-Model-7248_W0QQitemZ8701693944QQcategoryZ51107QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 11:12.55 | os2finn | :) |
| 11:13.05 | os2finn | they have four of those still left |
| 11:13.25 | Bor_Ed | loading |
| 11:13.42 | os2finn | Bought one yesterday |
| 11:14.37 | Bor_Ed | I wonder how much it'd be to ship |
| 11:14.44 | os2finn | 48$ |
| 11:14.57 | os2finn | 4-5 weeks delivery time |
| 11:15.11 | Bor_Ed | hmm, so ~$130 total |
| 11:15.27 | os2finn | 112 $ with one week delivery(air mail) |
| 11:15.34 | os2finn | yes 128.35$ |
| 11:15.47 | os2finn | was the exact amount |
| 11:16.16 | Bor_Ed | hmm, now if I only had some euros to drop for a box :I |
| 11:16.31 | os2finn | :) |
| 11:16.59 | Bor_Ed | you'll get that directly from seller or what? he mentioned that ships only to yankeedoodleland :o |
| 11:17.24 | os2finn | I asked him if he would like to ship to Finland and he said yes |
| 11:18.00 | Bor_Ed | you paid with visa or something similar? |
| 11:18.07 | os2finn | Paypal |
| 11:18.33 | os2finn | he accepts also wire transfer |
| 11:18.40 | Bor_Ed | ahh... and the seller ships the thingy in 4-5 weeks... hmm |
| 11:19.16 | os2finn | it takes 4-5 weeks with regular post (no air mail) |
| 11:19.24 | Bor_Ed | wire transfer costs hella lot, I was about to wire some money to a friend in usa to get me some chips, the cost would've been more to transfer than the chips were worth |
| 11:19.46 | os2finn | yep |
| 11:20.02 | os2finn | but those machines are quite rare |
| 11:20.21 | Bor_Ed | yea, the price is correct indeed for a box |
| 11:20.44 | os2finn | http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-RS-6000-7248-26_W0QQitemZ5811979147QQcategoryZ11222QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 11:20.45 | Bor_Ed | hmm, do the boxes run aix too? |
| 11:20.50 | os2finn | up to 5.1 |
| 11:20.55 | os2finn | and NT PPC |
| 11:21.04 | Bor_Ed | and os/2 :D |
| 11:21.11 | os2finn | thats not sure yet |
| 11:21.23 | Bor_Ed | I recall seeing that on supported list :o |
| 11:21.30 | os2finn | 6050 is still only known to work :) |
| 11:22.00 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 11:22.14 | Bor_Ed | maybe I should just get genesi ODW and hack it :D |
| 11:22.20 | os2finn | well my 6040 laptop is supposed to work says IBM but it doesnt |
| 11:22.41 | Bor_Ed | you have linux or aix on the lappie now then? |
| 11:22.49 | os2finn | aix |
| 11:22.56 | os2finn | 4.1.3 |
| 11:23.14 | Bor_Ed | I had 4.2.1 on power1/46 box I had :D |
| 11:23.17 | Bor_Ed | it came with the thingy |
| 11:25.02 | os2finn | newer aixes dont have support for this video card so no X |
| 11:25.50 | Bor_Ed | well you wouldn't want to use cde anyway, right ? :) |
| 11:27.01 | os2finn | hmmm... hmm.... it depends how bored I happen to be with my life :) |
| 11:28.10 | Bor_Ed | :D |
| 11:31.38 | Bor_Ed | "Fueled by wood alcohol," ... WTF is wood alcohol?? |
| 11:32.11 | os2finn | who is, me? |
| 11:32.40 | Bor_Ed | just a random question on the chan :) |
| 11:33.21 | Bor_Ed | just found a nice jet engine which uses that as gas... I really need more HP to the scooter :P |
| 11:36.28 | os2finn | oki I see I think I might of been powered by wood alcohol fumes last night |
| 11:36.35 | os2finn | or something |
| 11:36.57 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 11:37.16 | Bor_Ed | I was just fueled by brewed alcohol |
| 11:37.28 | os2finn | :) too lame |
| 11:38.02 | Bor_Ed | yea, I think of getting a cup or 2 of bacardi today though while watching the apollo 13 |
| 11:38.48 | os2finn | hmmm I am only waiting for The Simpsons |
| 11:39.18 | Bor_Ed | no sub in here... thanks to friggin cable operator for dropping it |
| 11:39.31 | os2finn | Simpsons are on MTV3 |
| 11:39.39 | Bor_Ed | whaaa ? |
| 11:39.55 | Bor_Ed | damn, got to wait for that before dropping by to a store |
| 11:40.02 | Zambba | should I watch The Simpsons? |
| 11:40.21 | Bor_Ed | Zambba: always :D |
| 11:40.24 | os2finn | yep 15:20 |
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| 11:40.53 | os2finn | Btw are you familiar with Intel Physical memory map? |
| 11:41.00 | Bor_Ed | hmm, this chan is being taken over by nutty finns :o |
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| 11:41.15 | Zambba | yea :o |
| 11:41.46 | Bor_Ed | intel memory map? :D that's liek 64kB banks up to 640kB, then A20 enabler thingy and the rest ram up to 16M and then the same starting all over again |
| 11:43.14 | os2finn | Provided the Intel physical memory map (pmap) support for a new virtual memory feature called VM Regions in the IBM microkernel (July to August beginning, 1995). |
| 11:43.32 | os2finn | says mr Sai R. Susar;a |
| 11:43.36 | os2finn | says mr Sai R. Susarla |
| 11:43.57 | os2finn | Made the entire IBM microkernel product (the bootloader, microkernel, personality-neutral servers, User-level device drivers) bi-endian (i.e., able to run in both big- and little-endian modes). This was done for use on PowerPC platform. (Oct beginning to Dec end, 1994). |
| 11:44.08 | Bor_Ed | better off to pick up the intel dev pdf from their site |
| 11:45.12 | os2finn | well IBM Microkernel says pmap_boot_flags (00002000, 00002400) not found. and crashes |
| 11:48.22 | os2finn | hmmm 64kb banks.... there are values in boot.cfg like PN_MEM_ADDR=128k and PN_MEM_DELETE=64k and changing these values seems to have an affect to crash behaviour |
| 11:48.31 | Q-FUNK | haista la paska, Suomi :-P |
| 11:48.55 | os2finn | Q-FUNK: yep |
| 11:49.03 | Q-FUNK | leaving the wife and, soon enough, this forsaken hellhole too. |
| 11:50.09 | os2finn | I am sensing that Q-FUNK seems to have very negative thoughts towards Finland :) |
| 11:50.26 | Q-FUNK | that's an understatement. |
| 11:52.21 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: going to estonia? |
| 11:52.42 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: probably not, as their immigration policy is even worse than here. |
| 11:52.50 | Bor_Ed | back to canada? |
| 11:53.01 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: I'm thiking austria or lithuania. |
| 11:53.31 | Bor_Ed | hmm, lithuania certainly is a bit different culture :) |
| 12:01.55 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 12:05.51 | Bor_Ed | grmbl kids... running all over the apartment for a change |
| 12:06.34 | Q-FUNK | ah... child process. |
| 12:07.05 | Bor_Ed | younger was supposed to have a nap 3 hours ago, still running around |
| 12:07.43 | os2finn | hmmm and you are supposed to be pre-emptive task scheduler? |
| 12:08.12 | Bor_Ed | shure :o |
| 12:08.30 | os2finn | not co-operative since bad behaving process can mess up whole system... |
| 12:08.40 | Q-FUNK | pre-emptied task unscheduled. |
| 12:26.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, simpsons at 15:20 indeed :/ |
| 12:29.13 | os2finn | yep |
| 12:36.28 | Zambba | I've seen that episode before :( |
| 12:40.08 | Bor_Ed | I haven't... though I missed good portion of other series/reruns too while I did my service couple of years back |
| 12:40.21 | Bor_Ed | oh, and since we don't have sub, no new episodes running either |
| 12:51.25 | os2finn | darn it ended :( |
| 12:51.38 | Bor_Ed | tends to do that eventually |
| 12:52.21 | os2finn | unfortunately so |
| 12:53.19 | Bor_Ed | I'd really would need to get a bigger HD so I could pick some cartoon episodes :D |
| 12:53.33 | Zambba | hey |
| 12:53.36 | Bor_Ed | hmm, off to pick up some lunch for tomorrow |
| 12:53.49 | Zambba | does DivX and XviD get illegal in the new copyright law? |
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| 12:56.07 | simonrvn | hi |
| 12:57.21 | Zambba | hello |
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| 13:03.04 | Mias | hi |
| 13:04.38 | Zambba | hello |
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| 13:15.18 | Bor_Ed | Zambba: most probably yea |
| 13:15.26 | Bor_Ed | it's alternating the original medium |
| 13:15.32 | Zambba | I must say perkele |
| 13:15.55 | Bor_Ed | unless the medium is divx to start with (like star wreck free download :) |
| 13:16.06 | Zambba | :) |
| 13:16.22 | Bor_Ed | not sure though if M$ would force even that to mpeg4 instead of divx packaged mpeg2 |
| 13:36.28 | simonrvn | @fuck M$ |
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| 13:43.28 | pahartik | simonrvn: badger is good |
| 13:43.40 | os2finn | Bor_ed: OS/2 PPC info page coming up :) |
| 13:46.14 | Bor_Ed | nice |
| 13:46.30 | Zambba | OS/2 <3 |
| 13:46.58 | Bor_Ed | I've lost my os/2 cds except the ppc disk :D |
| 13:47.11 | os2finn | :) |
| 13:47.52 | Bor_Ed | now I'd need warp connect to the 486 I have waiting for an OS on the balcony :) compaq and all |
| 13:48.13 | Bor_Ed | though I have a project going on with the c128d-cr too :D |
| 13:49.35 | simonrvn | pahartik: indeed |
| 13:49.42 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 13:49.45 | simonrvn | @badger M$ |
| 13:50.11 | simonrvn | oh well |
| 13:51.11 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Isnt Warp server 3 or ACP2 better? |
| 13:51.20 | Bor_Ed | acp2 ? |
| 13:51.46 | Bor_Ed | it's 486sx25 with 16M ram... and if I get an OS to it, it'll be a desktop |
| 13:52.06 | os2finn | Aurora Convenience Pack 2 (aurora = WSEB Warp server for E-business) |
| 13:52.30 | Bor_Ed | yea... I've had wseb |
| 13:52.39 | Zambba | why use OS/2.. :S |
| 13:52.42 | Bor_Ed | it was a bit heavy even on k6/242 with 32 megs ram |
| 13:52.45 | os2finn | Warp3 server has HPFS386 |
| 13:53.05 | Bor_Ed | Zambba: most stable non-*nix properietary OS up to current day |
| 13:53.17 | Bor_Ed | and it was easy to use too |
| 13:53.24 | os2finn | W3 connect has just basic HPFS |
| 13:53.39 | Zambba | but is there software for it |
| 13:53.47 | Bor_Ed | basic hpfs is enough for 127M pio mode 2 ide disk and 540M scsi2 HD |
| 13:53.52 | Bor_Ed | Zambba: buttloads of software |
| 13:54.29 | os2finn | do you know reason why basic Warp doesnt have HPFS386? |
| 13:55.02 | Bor_Ed | prolly just because of the ram usage... at least even hpfs requires 12M to get installed |
| 13:55.41 | os2finn | nah its because IBM has to pay 500USD license to M$ for every OS/2 sold with HPFS386 :D |
| 13:55.59 | os2finn | thats why OS/2 now uses JFS |
| 13:57.10 | Bor_Ed | os/2 has jfs? I recall only eCs has it :o |
| 13:57.29 | os2finn | MCPs & ACPs have it |
| 13:57.43 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay... I just used hpfs on wseb here :o |
| 13:58.00 | Bor_Ed | didn't even offer anything else (that was 4.0.5 beta from ibm :) |
| 13:58.30 | os2finn | hmmm it cant use JFS for system partition only for data... |
| 13:58.38 | Bor_Ed | right |
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| 14:39.55 | os2finn | Bor_ed: its not much but its something http://personal.inet.fi/koti/ekasorvaus/index.html |
| 14:51.03 | Bor_Ed | looks ok |
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| 14:57.24 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: still no running configuration on qemu ? :o |
| 14:58.24 | os2finn | Bor_ed: No :( those darn pmap_boot_flags |
| 14:58.35 | Bor_Ed | yea, noticed from yer site |
| 14:58.45 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Did you notice discussion group? |
| 14:59.10 | Bor_Ed | must've missed that :o |
| 14:59.58 | os2finn | just put it there so it might need reload |
| 15:00.01 | os2finn | brb |
| 15:00.38 | Bor_Ed | gotcha |
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| 15:24.48 | os2finn | Bor_ed: That 7248 I told you is sold already :) |
| 15:25.07 | Bor_Ed | suprise |
| 15:25.26 | Bor_Ed | better off to install vnc server for me on the os/2 ppc :D |
| 15:25.26 | os2finn | but he has few of those |
| 15:25.56 | Bor_Ed | I've been after a600 and toshiba libretto lately.. got to get such ones too |
| 15:26.16 | os2finn | have u asked juhani salminen? |
| 15:26.39 | Bor_Ed | umm nope :o |
| 15:26.50 | Bor_Ed | who's that? |
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| 15:27.43 | os2finn | http://www.jvs-parts.fi/ |
| 15:27.51 | os2finn | he deals a lot of laptops |
| 15:38.07 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: site that has 'mediat' ain't a store I'd do business in with :) |
| 15:38.46 | os2finn | Bor_ed: nahhhhh... Juhani is OK :) |
| 15:39.12 | Bor_Ed | well libretto 120's are getting a bit rare nowadays |
| 15:40.34 | Bor_Ed | 50 and 70 models are getting up everywhere but they have sucky gfx and slow cpus |
| 15:46.56 | os2finn | Hmmm I rely on ACER as my laptop provider :) |
| 15:47.29 | Bor_Ed | I'd rely on tadpole if I wasn't short on cash :P |
| 15:47.49 | Bor_Ed | bulldog dual would be pretty nice low end one :D |
| 15:49.56 | os2finn | Well short on cash is the reaso why I rely on ACER |
| 15:50.11 | Bor_Ed | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ultimate-Toshiba-Libretto-100-CT_W0QQitemZ6806386572QQcategoryZ3717QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <<-- the data isn't accurate, the cpu is cyrix mediaGX, not intel p1 |
| 15:50.16 | simonrvn | i might be getting a pismo, depending on how much y friend wants to let it go for to me |
| 15:50.21 | simonrvn | s/y/my/ |
| 15:51.53 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Wow and he has all nice gadgets for it too... |
| 15:53.07 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: yup... buggr would be a nice deal... huuto sellers ask 150 eur for the lappie, floppy drive and recharger |
| 15:54.22 | os2finn | Bor_ed: But Royal mail has very Royal shipping prices to Finland |
| 15:54.51 | Bor_Ed | I can get it shipped to UK and awith dhl/tnt/other decent postage to here |
| 15:54.56 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Shipping of Motorola Powerstack would of been 80 pounds |
| 15:55.16 | os2finn | cheapest possible |
| 15:55.39 | Bor_Ed | asked from couriers? |
| 15:56.02 | os2finn | nope |
| 15:56.24 | os2finn | Machine itself is free |
| 15:56.26 | Bor_Ed | they tend to ship hella cheaper than domestic post companies |
| 15:57.04 | os2finn | U interested in Motorola Powerstack? |
| 15:57.30 | Bor_Ed | that's pmac4400 in tower clone? :) |
| 15:57.40 | Bor_Ed | not really, I have 4400 here :D |
| 15:57.55 | os2finn | nah http://www.corestore.org/powerstack.jpg |
| 15:58.07 | os2finn | its PREP |
| 15:58.27 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 15:58.39 | Bor_Ed | looks weird :) |
| 15:58.46 | os2finn | that one on pic is PPC601 |
| 15:58.55 | os2finn | but the one for sale is PPC604 |
| 15:59.37 | Bor_Ed | what OS's does it run? |
| 15:59.46 | os2finn | AIX Winnt |
| 15:59.48 | os2finn | Linux |
| 15:59.58 | os2finn | Debian works ok |
| 16:00.16 | Bor_Ed | hmm, aix on 604... that'd be a pretty decent setup |
| 16:01.07 | os2finn | IIRC it is 133 |
| 16:02.00 | Bor_Ed | my fastest aix box so far has been 60MHz 601... ran ok :) |
| 16:02.10 | os2finn | yes 133 and 128 mb ram |
| 16:02.32 | os2finn | has IDE and NCR810 SCSI |
| 16:02.39 | Bor_Ed | I wonder if the seller has asked from the logistics companies about the shipping cost |
| 16:02.58 | os2finn | he asked only from local post office |
| 16:03.07 | Bor_Ed | yea, figures |
| 16:03.21 | os2finn | he is at mklinux chan nick:leighbb |
| 16:03.39 | Bor_Ed | I always ask from matkahuolto and transpoint if I have to ship something heavier inside .fi |
| 16:03.43 | os2finn | btw it is missing Display adapter |
| 16:03.53 | Bor_Ed | transpoint does global too afaik |
| 16:04.24 | Zambba | I saw when Paunu's driver threw Matkahuolto packets to his car |
| 16:04.30 | Bor_Ed | what gfx does such box take? peecee pci standard thingies? |
| 16:04.51 | os2finn | I think it originally has S3 Vision 864 |
| 16:04.52 | Zambba | If there was glass it broken |
| 16:05.46 | Bor_Ed | expressbus drivers tend to drop small packets up to customer with own cars if they're on the destination town |
| 16:06.21 | Zambba | Oh :) |
| 16:06.37 | Bor_Ed | that's service you know... something you don't see too often nowadays |
| 16:08.41 | Bor_Ed | do a 438km trip on expressbus and you'll see all funny thingies :) we waited for 15 mins for one passangers ride to come for pickup as well as the driver called taxi on several stops and waited for the taxi to arrive and so on :D |
| 16:13.00 | Zambba | :) |
| 16:13.03 | Zambba | I know some bus drivers |
| 16:14.30 | Bor_Ed | I knew too when I did my time... |
| 16:17.06 | os2finn | hmmm... I am wondering how all this is related to farming.... |
| 16:17.15 | os2finn | :) |
| 16:18.44 | Bor_Ed | eh ? :o |
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| 16:32.37 | Bor_Ed | re |
| 16:33.17 | os2finn | this is what happens if I launch Qemu from CLI without -nographic option :) |
| 16:33.29 | Bor_Ed | lockup? |
| 16:35.04 | os2finn | screen gets totally messed up takes no input from KB or Mouse |
| 16:37.00 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 16:37.28 | Bor_Ed | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/toshiba-libretto-110ct-mini-laptop-cd-rom_W0QQitemZ6806982919QQcategoryZ3717QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem wanna bid the buggr for me? :) I don't have ebay account nor paypal nor.... |
| 16:39.05 | os2finn | I dont have either my friend does bidding for me :) |
| 16:39.14 | Bor_Ed | ahh :D |
| 16:39.39 | os2finn | If I had credit card I would get financial probs in two days :) |
| 16:39.53 | Bor_Ed | I get that even with normal bank card :D |
| 16:41.05 | witch | Any Idea where I get an answert to a OS X related question? |
| 16:41.38 | os2finn | #macosx maybe? |
| 16:41.40 | Bor_Ed | #macos #apple #osx or something that league |
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| 16:56.27 | witch | I have asked in macosx |
| 17:04.05 | Bor_Ed | hmm, does ebay show price reserve anyhow? |
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| 19:45.41 | low_lo | Does frame buffer affect the X output ? |
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| 19:46.09 | Q-FUNK | ekix: :) |
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| 19:58.34 | os2finn | anyone here who has PREP machine? |
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| 19:59.09 | TTimo | hello |
| 19:59.41 | TTimo | hey can anyone point me to what stuff I need to put in yaboot.conf for hibernate / suspend stuff ? |
| 20:03.50 | Curalton | iirc just the resumepartition as under x86 |
| 20:05.21 | Curalton | or whatever suspend2 needs which now works under ppc according to their site |
| 20:05.25 | TTimo | so I need a special kernel config with that resume parameter then ? |
| 20:08.51 | Curalton | one that has it compiled in, yes |
| 20:09.10 | Curalton | check the /boot/?.config |
| 20:11.42 | Curalton | PM_DISK or something |
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| 20:16.20 | TTimo_ | it didn't pick it. is yaboot like lilo, and not like grub? do I need to run something when I modif the conf |
| 20:16.59 | Curalton | yes, ybin to write the config to the bootpartition |
| 20:17.05 | Curalton | ybin -v for verbose |
| 20:17.13 | TTimo_ | ah |
| 20:17.44 | TTimo_ | well the hibernate didn't quite work either. it seemed it worked all the way, but never powered down |
| 20:18.06 | TTimo_ | the machine went to black screen but still fully running |
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| 20:20.21 | TTimo | ybin: Blessing /dev/hda2 with Holy Penguin Pee... |
| 20:20.22 | TTimo | lol |
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| 20:21.49 | TTimo | what type of powerdown methods work for ibooks? anyone knows. |
| 20:23.38 | TTimo | looks like /sys/power/state is present, but no acpi |
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