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04:38.30*** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk
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05:39.29*** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk
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05:52.32*** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk
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11:53.46*** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk
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14:34.59*** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk
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16:34.23sktrdiecan anyone help me with some altivec information?
16:35.07Curaltonjust ask
16:35.19sktrdieok
16:35.30sktrdiehow do I know if altivec is running?
16:35.33sktrdieand working
16:35.38sktrdieon my powerbook g4
16:36.09Curaltonerm, it's a cpu feature
16:36.17Curaltonyou use it as a compilerflag
16:36.26Curaltoncheck the kernel config if it is enabled there
16:36.49sktrdiebut dont the apps need to be configured for altivec in order to work properly
16:38.39sktrdiewhat do you mean compilerflag? I mostly install apps from the .deb
16:38.54johillspecial packages for altivec exist
16:39.08johillatlas3-altivec for example
16:39.09Bor_Edfor apps that can take advantage of it
16:39.30Bor_Edmost apps aren't really much faster on altivec based chips compared to older ones
16:39.57johillmaybe gcc4 with auto-vectorisation can take advantage of altivec in a few more cases, but even then...
16:40.06sktrdiereally?
16:40.17sktrdieIve heard that altivec would increase up to 7 times speed
16:40.19sktrdieof apps
16:40.44johillsure. if you do things that can be parallelised
16:40.55Bor_Edit's just simd extension to g3 command set... only fpu intensive apps can take advantage of it, something like 3d and video encoding/decoding
16:41.23sktrdieI see
16:41.33sktrdieits not like my normal apps could take advantage
16:41.37sktrdielike GAIM
16:41.44sktrdieor something simpler
16:41.50Bor_Eddunno, maybe kernel cryptofs could have some speed increase out of altivec too
16:43.05sktrdiecan altivec also effect Desktop usage speed , graphics or like scrolling speed and stuff like that
16:43.25Bor_EdI doubt
16:44.23sktrdiewhat if used to improve X
16:45.00johillcheck out freevec for some things it can help speed up
16:45.39sktrdiefor example
16:45.52sktrdiein Gentoo all I do is add the flag altivec
16:46.00Bor_Edhere we go...
16:46.04sktrdielol
16:46.24sktrdiebut Im on debian now
16:46.24Bor_Edcompile without the flag and time some tasks... you'll see what I mean
16:46.52sktrdieBor_Ed: cant I do that in debian?
16:46.59Bor_Edogg enconding can be 2-3% faster, dvd->divx rip same, X/kde load as slow as earlier etc
16:47.18Bor_Edsktrdie: you can add your own junk to ./debian/rules afaik
16:47.48Bor_Edprolly export some of the thingies too, never had motivation to make this setup 'rice'
16:48.03Bor_Edwell, I compile my own kernels but that's it
16:49.06sktrdieBor_Ed, you mean ./debian/rules is like flags in gentoo?
16:49.20Bor_Edlike a file inside the source package
16:49.32Bor_Ednever used gentoo and hell never will either
16:49.38sktrdiewhere is ./debian/rules
16:49.42Bor_Ed^^
16:49.49sktrdiewhy never use it?
16:50.01sktrdieI like packages, but I want to be able to install with the configuration I need
16:50.04Bor_EdI don't have the time to wait system to bootstrap for install for couple of days
16:50.25Bor_EdI can install packages with the configuration I want them to have with apt on debian...
16:50.32sktrdieyes
16:50.34sktrdiehow?
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16:50.59Bor_Edby using the apt source command among with others
16:51.24sktrdiecan you please let me know how it works?
16:51.29sktrdietell me
16:51.30sktrdie:P
16:51.44Bor_Edcheck apt manpage for more... I bet there are howtos online too for the task
16:52.15sktrdiebut where do I add the stuff so that apt source will install it as I want
16:52.25sktrdieapt source is like emerge right?
16:52.28apt...but source is already something else...
16:52.30Bor_Edit just picks up the deb source file...
16:52.57Bor_Edyou have to build it with dh_make (iirc) after picking up or use --build option on the apt
16:56.45sktrdieBor_Ed: have youalways beeen using ppc? Because i'm thinking in buying a new laptop, and the x86 would be more supported under linux, what do you think?
16:57.20Bor_EdI have used ppc as only platform for 3-4 years now... and hell no won't go back to x86
16:57.42sktrdieyes, I have also always loved ppc
16:58.00sktrdiebut now that Apple you know... my next laptop I don't know
16:58.46Bor_Edjust get a tadpole then... sparcs will stay on lappies for eternity
16:59.01sktrdietadpole? what is it?
16:59.12Bor_Edwww.tadpole.com
16:59.17Bor_Edsome serious lappies :)
16:59.44Zambbawhat's wrong in x86?
16:59.48sktrdiesparc? never went for sparc, I don't know
16:59.55Zambbax86 + Debian = :)
17:00.07sktrdieyea really, centrino stuff seems really awesome
17:00.20Zambbayea
17:00.20Bor_Edx86 is loud, power hungry and poor performing
17:00.33Bor_Edoh, and expensive for the performance too
17:00.37sktrdieBor_Ed: not centrino, really
17:00.55Bor_Edsktrdie: well centrino is properietary bullshit no one should even ever invented
17:01.01Zambbawell, my Durons has enough performance for me :S
17:01.19sktrdieBor_Ed: why?
17:01.21Bor_EdI'm pretty happy with this ibm750 based ppc box
17:01.39Bor_Edsktrdie: seen open source drivers that support whole centrino 'platform'?
17:01.56ZambbaBor_Ed: well centrino is goodly supported and it's good for linux that there is a standard. developers has to make just one network interface driver etc.
17:02.08sktrdieBor_Ed? much more than ppc..
17:02.26Zambbawell i'm not sure about the support, but for example the WiFi adapter of centrinos is supported
17:02.36Zambbacentrinos are mass products and mass products has benefits
17:02.45Bor_Edhmm, then I've missed something... last time I checked for centrino HW it was poorly supported or not at all... and that was in the spring
17:03.09Bor_EdI think I'll still settle for pegasos2 board for my next new desktop
17:03.20sktrdieBor_Ed: centrino is x86, most of the Linux drivers out there are x86
17:03.39Bor_EdI haven't had a single driver issue on linux/ppc :o
17:03.49sktrdieBor_Ed what abt the sparc on tadpole... what's it with sparc?
17:03.52Bor_Edeven the weird usb2.0 card worked out of the box
17:04.05sktrdieBor_ed: try and nvidia card
17:04.11Bor_Edsktrdie: future of risc based lappies if apple goes wintel
17:04.17Bor_Edsktrdie: I don't need that junk
17:04.33sktrdieBor_Ed: SPARC is RISC??
17:04.42Bor_Edsparc is risc as ppc is too
17:05.01sktrdieyea, didnt know sparc is risc
17:05.06sktrdieis it good?
17:05.07Bor_Edhellyea it is
17:06.08sktrdiemmm, for my experience SPARC is old and I dont know, like not really supported
17:06.21sktrdiesparc drivers??
17:06.34Bor_Edsparc is constantly developed and runs linux as any other non-x86 chip
17:06.48Bor_Edsparc as cpu that is
17:07.43sktrdieyou have a sparc?
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17:08.25Bor_Ednope :I I had some POWER and HP-PA boxes before though... had to sell them since I didn't have motivation to keep the beasts taking space
17:08.26sktrdiesparc looks interesting, also nice laptops... I might check it out
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17:13.09sktrdieIf I could only get some prices
17:13.10sktrdieI hate it
17:13.17sktrdieits like, here's the laptop you can buy
17:13.20sktrdiewhere's the price!!
17:13.22sktrdiejeez
17:13.40Bor_Edprices at tadpole are pretty heavy on wallet :D
17:13.47sktrdieok...
17:13.53sktrdiethen no
17:13.59sktrdielinuxcertified.com
17:14.08sktrdieis nice x86 laptop for 900 $
17:14.13Bor_Edthe 600 something MHz lappie was around 3k
17:14.20sktrdieholy cow
17:14.32Bor_Eddunno if it has came down from that but I wouldn't guess that too much if none
17:14.49sktrdieno I wantsomething low budgest
17:14.51sktrdiebudget
17:14.52Bor_Ed...it'll still make rounds around any amd64 based lappies
17:15.50sktrdieyea but 3k is 3k
17:16.46Bor_Edand non-x86 is something better
17:16.51sktrdieyea
17:16.55sktrdiethats what I want
17:17.01sktrdiebut I need an efficient laptop
17:17.04Zambbaibook
17:17.04sktrdielow budget
17:17.08sktrdieno
17:17.13Bor_Edibook is low budget and decent performer
17:17.20Zambbayes
17:17.29sktrdieI am off from apple after their betray
17:17.32Bor_Edtoo bad I don't have that budget currently
17:17.33sktrdie:P
17:17.50Bor_Edbuild own lappie based on mpc8451d board then
17:18.20sktrdiebuild a laptop?
17:18.23sktrdieyea with wood lol
17:18.27sktrdieeheh
17:18.36sktrdieimagine me building a laptop
17:18.36Bor_Edyup... most of the components are same on pretty much every lappie
17:18.47sktrdieI cant even build my bed
17:19.03sktrdieeheheh
17:19.15Bor_Edactually some companies have 'counters' here to build lappie to your specs... several boards, screens and such available
17:19.22sktrdiewhats the mpc8451d m/b?
17:19.50Bor_Edmpc8451d is freescales 'new' dualcore 'g4' cpu
17:19.59sktrdieI am waiting for a pegasos laptop actually, but they dont seem to let out any info
17:20.01sktrdieo yea
17:20.24sktrdielike a good pegasos *cheap* laptop would really be great
17:20.28Bor_Edmai teron mini-itx board probably fits to lappie easier than pegasos board
17:23.55sktrdieI dont really think building a laptop is a good idea
17:24.02sktrdieand also pegasos stuff is expensive
17:24.04sktrdiejeez
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17:25.01Bor_Edopen desktop workstation is 650 euros... I wouldn't say that's expensive ppc box
17:25.33Bor_Edwhoops, the dualcore ppc is mpc8641d
17:35.17mirakanyone know where I could find NX  ppc builds ?
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19:07.12pahartikQ-FUNK: is that ALSA thing still going on?
19:07.34Q-FUNKyup
19:12.41pahartikQ-FUNK: i think there is no mixer control for iBook G4 2004-2005 microphone volume
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21:44.54Curaltonwhy is bsign (to sign binaries) only available for x86? http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/bsign?
21:45.15simonrvngood question. bug the maintainer
21:46.50Curaltonits already filed as a bug
21:49.54Curalton"Because it edits ELF directly. Alpha (and IA64) use an extended ELF [...].", and says its untested on e.g. ppc
21:53.43simonrvnok
21:53.59simonrvnextended ELF header
21:54.25simonrvnwell, you could try it out, or do some research ;)
21:55.10Curaltonlast change 2003...
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23:53.16Curaltonis there a reference file for what groups like staff or adm are intended for?
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