| 00:06.06 | [MA]MTM84|X| | how can it give me "failed: no such device" when im looking right at the damn device file >( |
| 00:07.04 | SimonRaven | no such device means there's no h/w device, not the device file |
| 00:08.54 | [MA]MTM84|X| | but it shows up in mac-fdisk |
| 00:09.09 | Curalton | yay devfs ;) |
| 00:09.15 | SimonRaven | depends what you're looking at |
| 00:09.24 | SimonRaven | devfs is such a large PITA |
| 00:09.25 | Curalton | strange that got onto an installer, udev would be more appropriate |
| 00:09.37 | SimonRaven | udev is 2.6.x only |
| 00:09.42 | Curalton | ah |
| 00:10.23 | [MA]MTM84|X| | dont they have 2.6.x install kernels? |
| 00:10.42 | [MA]MTM84|X| | what else would i be looking at simon? |
| 00:13.57 | SimonRaven | yes, but they're iffy. [MA]MTM84|X|, you looking at /dev/scsi/hostX/lunY/someotherthingZ/disc in mac-fdisk? |
| 00:14.54 | [MA]MTM84|X| | yes |
| 00:15.44 | SimonRaven | what are you doing, exactly? |
| 00:16.30 | [MA]MTM84|X| | trying to mount my mac os partition so i can copy over the kernel and initrd image that was installed, so i can boot into linux from bootx |
| 00:17.18 | SimonRaven | mkdir mnt; mount -t hfsplus /dev/scsi/foo/bar/part34324 /mnt |
| 00:17.48 | [MA]MTM84|X| | yeah i do that and get the lovely no such device :/ |
| 00:18.01 | SimonRaven | of course this depends on whether or not this is a devfs kernel ;) |
| 00:18.10 | SimonRaven | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 00:18.32 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 00:18.33 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debianppc or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debianppc, and paste away. |
| 00:18.45 | [MA]MTM84|X| | yeah its there |
| 00:18.48 | [MA]MTM84|X| | the drive i mean |
| 00:19.38 | SimonRaven | so mac-fdisk -l /dev/path/to/stupid/devfs/name/disc shows the partition exists? |
| 00:20.20 | [MA]MTM84|X| | yes |
| 00:20.46 | SimonRaven | you sure lsmod lists 'hfsplus' ? |
| 00:22.19 | [MA]MTM84|X| | apperently not, which is odd since i loaded the hfs part of the installer... modprobe hfs or hfsplus gives me errors |
| 00:22.39 | SimonRaven | what kind of errors? |
| 00:22.42 | [MA]MTM84|X| | explains why it wont mount but i dont know why its not loaded |
| 00:22.56 | [MA]MTM84|X| | moudle not found errors |
| 00:22.58 | SimonRaven | vt3 should have the error iirc |
| 00:23.08 | [MA]MTM84|X| | not errors par se, sorry |
| 00:23.14 | SimonRaven | ah. try re-downloading it again |
| 00:24.00 | [MA]MTM84|X| | ok |
| 00:24.15 | [MA]MTM84|X| | did a modprobe -l and didnt see any hfs listed :/ |
| 00:24.40 | SimonRaven | and depomod -Aa doesn't help? |
| 00:24.44 | SimonRaven | depmod* |
| 00:25.31 | [MA]MTM84|X| | let me see |
| 00:26.15 | [MA]MTM84|X| | nope |
| 00:26.34 | [MA]MTM84|X| | ok, the hfs thing isnt showing up in the debian compontents menu |
| 00:26.55 | SimonRaven | i think that means it's already 'installed' |
| 00:27.37 | [MA]MTM84|X| | yeah, since i selected it. but apperently it just disapered |
| 00:30.02 | [MA]MTM84|X| | ok i did depmod -aA again and now it works o_O |
| 00:30.13 | SimonRaven | oh, ok. cool |
| 00:30.21 | SimonRaven | o_O indeed |
| 00:32.47 | [MA]MTM84|X| | yeah i dont know what happend there |
| 00:33.02 | [MA]MTM84|X| | i didnt even see any hfs stuff in lsmod after i mounted it |
| 00:34.18 | SimonRaven | weird |
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| 01:00.23 | meheren | hellow |
| 01:00.46 | meheren | bor_Ed |
| 01:01.00 | meheren | do you no if debian will run mac programs? |
| 01:01.50 | meheren | any1 here no if debian will run mac programs? |
| 01:03.23 | [MA]MTM84|X| | if you get mol... |
| 01:03.29 | meheren | mol? |
| 01:03.34 | [MA]MTM84|X| | mac on linux |
| 01:03.49 | [MA]MTM84|X| | its like an emulator, you can use an existing mac os install to run apps |
| 01:04.16 | meheren | but you have to have the mac os right? |
| 01:04.38 | meheren | you can't get any free mac os ? |
| 01:05.37 | SimonRaven | it's a virtual machine; apt-get install mol mol-modules-source mol-drivers-macosx mol-drivers-macos |
| 01:06.02 | [MA]MTM84|X| | i think u can get 7.6. something for free |
| 01:06.13 | SimonRaven | @mol |
| 01:06.14 | ravenbird | i guess mol is Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or packaged for debian |
| 01:06.20 | SimonRaven | 7.5.5 |
| 01:06.47 | [MA]MTM84|X| | thats the one |
| 01:07.46 | SimonRaven | @mol is also apt-cache search --names-only mol |
| 01:07.46 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 01:07.52 | SimonRaven | @mol |
| 01:07.53 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, mol is Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or packaged for debian, or apt-cache search --names-only mol |
| 01:09.46 | [MA]MTM84|X| | ok, i did this before on my previous linux install, but how do i boot to linux without specifing an initrd image in bootx? |
| 01:10.29 | meheren | ppc g3 can't boot up in 7.6 though |
| 01:10.38 | SimonRaven | if the kernel needs it (initrd), you can't. |
| 01:10.51 | demon | depends on the kernel you're using; if you're using a debian packaged kernel, you need the initrd |
| 01:10.51 | [MA]MTM84|X| | guess ill need to compile a new kernel then |
| 01:10.55 | SimonRaven | meheren: that depends what kind of g3 |
| 01:11.16 | SimonRaven | [MA]MTM84|X|: you can though, just need to specify the initrd as the ramdisk |
| 01:11.46 | meheren | blue and white yosimite or whatever |
| 01:12.05 | SimonRaven | yosemite. yeh, you need 8.1 minimum IIRC |
| 01:12.07 | demon | yeah, you should be using yaboot on a newworld |
| 01:12.13 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 01:12.28 | SimonRaven | demon: it's for MOL |
| 01:12.29 | demon | 2.6.x kernels don't like being booted via bootx on newworld machines |
| 01:12.32 | meheren | ok |
| 01:12.38 | demon | heh, that probably won't work either |
| 01:13.41 | meheren | will 7.6 downloaded run with mol on a g3 in other words if i have debian and download 7.6 will it work and i be able to run mac programs? |
| 01:13.42 | demon | because mol doesn't provide virtual IDE, network and display devices, it uses special idealized virtual interfaces... I know there used to be a kernel patch to build a linux kernel that would work in MOL |
| 01:14.27 | SimonRaven | meheren: it isn't 7.6 anyway, the free one is 7.5.5 |
| 01:14.50 | meheren | i have 7.6 on discks for a really old mac |
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| 08:15.27 | ebw | Hello everybody! |
| 08:16.04 | ebw | I read that installing linux to an ibook it would be better to use ext2 and noflushd instead of ext3 is this correct? |
| 08:16.12 | chimaera | hi. is there any way to use a wifi-usb-stick with prism2 chipset with WPA? linux-wlan-ng doesn't seem to be supported by wpa-supplicant.. |
| 08:16.46 | ebw | What ist wpa? |
| 08:17.28 | chimaera | encryption mechanism.. |
| 08:18.43 | chimaera | far superior to wep. |
| 08:20.59 | ebw | Should I use ext3 or ext2 and noflushd on my ibook? |
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| 10:16.00 | ebw | Hello! |
| 10:16.35 | ebw | What is better for an Ibook? ext3 or ext2 with noflushd ? |
| 10:16.55 | Bor_Ed | ext3 works with noflushd... ext2 doesn't |
| 10:18.08 | ebw | That confuses me, because I read that the journalling capabilities of ext3 disable the writing delay mechanisem noflushd uses? |
| 10:18.14 | ebw | Is this obsolete information?= |
| 10:18.38 | Bor_Ed | well I use ext3 and noflushd on this desktop and the HD keeps spinned down when told to... dunno then |
| 10:20.59 | ebw | Did you change the "commit" option of ext3? |
| 10:21.14 | Bor_Ed | didn't do a thing |
| 10:22.23 | ebw | By the way, X server is working with 2.6.13.3 and fbdev, with radeon driver I get a "normal" flickering screen, so that it looks like a misconfigured monitor. Is there any way, like fbset -x for fbdev, to get better timings for "radeon" driver? |
| 10:22.50 | ebw | With the out of stock kernel, I got an "chaotic swirl" screen |
| 10:23.39 | Bor_Ed | no idea, sorry |
| 10:26.46 | SimonRaven | ebw: don't use 16 bit, 15 bit is the one to use on mac ppc. don't remember why |
| 10:29.36 | ebw | I'll test this, thanks. |
| 10:56.11 | [MA]MTM84|X| | huh... apperently selecting all the kde packages in aptitude doesnt actual get me a working kde binary... and then when i kill the xserver my console goes all wonky (screen wise, i can still input commands like normal) |
| 10:57.21 | [MA]MTM84|X| | before you ask, yes my xserver is set right, i get the graphical login screen and the KDE loading splash, all that works fine, kde just turns to a grey screen after "loading" |
| 10:58.04 | [MA]MTM84|X| | odd problems sure do love me... |
| 10:59.35 | Zambba | apt-get install kde kdm |
| 11:00.42 | Bor_Ed | kde3 most probably |
| 11:01.30 | [MA]MTM84|X| | ill give it a try. i really want to figure out why it messes up my console after i kill it |
| 11:01.46 | Zambba | i've got KDE 3.4 now in my PC :) |
| 11:02.08 | Bor_Ed | I ripped the last qt* or kde* libs from here ~4 years back |
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| 12:03.23 | ebw | I've recompiled a new kernel and now I've got a nerv crunching console beep, how can I turn this off? |
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| 12:29.22 | ebw | If I do a Option "UseFBDev" "true" with Driver "radeon" I still have acceleration? |
| 12:29.23 | pahartik | ebw: use "alsamixer" to turn "beep" down or off |
| 12:29.39 | ebw | pahartik: thanks. |
| 12:30.51 | pahartik | ebw: "alsa-utils" package provides that |
| 12:33.12 | pahartik | ebw: option "UseFBDev" should not have effect on acceleration, but toggling that may fix X11 server if starting up is problem |
| 12:34.13 | ebw | pahartik: thanks. With "UseFBDev" it seems to work! |
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| 12:39.06 | ebw | How can I detect those keycodes I have to put into those /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode thingies? |
| 12:39.27 | Bor_Ed | use showkey in console |
| 12:39.37 | ebw | Bor_Ed: Thanks. |
| 12:39.43 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
| 12:42.08 | ebw | Hmm, does somebody know if the soundcard shipped with the ibook2 works with alsa? |
| 12:42.20 | ebw | And how is the kerneldriver called? |
| 12:45.51 | ebw | If I want to mount a windows share I only need smb kernel driver and smbfs debian package? |
| 12:46.01 | Bor_Ed | dmasound_pmac or snd-dmasound |
| 12:46.31 | ebw | Bor_Ed: Thanks. |
| 12:46.36 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 13:05.42 | ebw | Hi! |
| 13:06.53 | Bor_Ed | 3 mouse buttons working? |
| 13:10.26 | ebw | Yes! |
| 13:10.44 | ebw | But now ALSA keeps on telling me "no soundcard found" |
| 13:11.38 | ebw | I included in kernel: PowerMac DMA support, Alsa support, ALSA Powermac devices, sequencer support and oss emulation |
| 13:12.24 | Bor_Ed | hmm... google a bit for the device... it should be snd-powermac |
| 13:12.51 | ebw | But how do I configure this? alsaconfig keeps on searching pci and isa and nothing else ... |
| 13:13.25 | Bor_Ed | you just modprobe the driver |
| 13:13.50 | Bor_Ed | the dmasound device is built in to the southbridge on mac logic boards |
| 13:14.11 | ebw | Oh, I don't have any modules. I fixwired everything into the kernel. |
| 13:14.24 | ebw | Do you know the options name? |
| 13:14.46 | Bor_Ed | snd_powermac 47840 1 |
| 13:14.59 | Bor_Ed | build that as well as other audio stuff as modules |
| 13:15.31 | Bor_Ed | anyway, it's commonly better to build everything to modules that initial install doesn't need (fbdev and filesystem driver are required) |
| 13:20.08 | ebw | I now read on some googled page, that the alsa kernel modules comes with the alsa source and not with the kernel source, is this still correct? |
| 13:21.19 | Bor_Ed | you can use the kernel alsa drivers since they were merged in 2.6 |
| 13:26.03 | ebw | Ok, so i put on the modules support an did all the sound-things as modules. Now how can I tell make-kpkg to call the kernel a little bit different so i don't have to delete the other 2.6.13.3 kernel again? |
| 13:27.14 | Q-FUNK | just delete the stamp files |
| 13:27.31 | Q-FUNK | ebw: what hardware do you have? |
| 13:28.26 | ebw | Q-FUNK: I think an Ibook2 700MHZ G3 Radeon M7 and so on ... |
| 13:28.55 | Q-FUNK | snd-powermac pretty much works on every hardware config nowdays, starting with kernel 2.6.13, but things like beep might be broken in some cases |
| 13:29.25 | Q-FUNK | To determine your Mac's audio chipset, use: cat /proc/asound/cards To determine your Mac's machine ID, use: grep machine /proc/cpuinfo To determine your kernel's ALSA version, use: cat /proc/asound/version |
| 13:29.26 | Bor_Ed | I had the idea too that snd-powermac should work |
| 13:30.34 | ebw | Q-FUNK: snd-powermac is PowerMac under ALSA PowerMac Devices? That I had in the kernel (without modules) and alsa did complain it wouldn't find any soundcard. |
| 13:31.01 | Q-FUNK | ebw: try the 3 actions recommended above |
| 13:31.21 | Q-FUNK | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 13:31.26 | Q-FUNK | grep machine /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:31.32 | Q-FUNK | cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 13:34.04 | ebw | First one gives: No Soundcards. Second one gives: PowerBook4,3. Third one gives: A.L.S.A. Driver Version 1.0.9b |
| 13:36.29 | Q-FUNK | you probably have a snapper soundchip |
| 13:36.45 | Q-FUNK | is the snd-powermac module loaded? |
| 13:37.21 | ebw | I don't have modules so far, the modules kernel is still compiling. |
| 13:37.30 | Q-FUNK | ok |
| 13:52.23 | ebw | [25~ |
| 13:55.30 | ebw | Is it possible to get the software modem in the ibook working? |
| 13:58.16 | zweideutig | ebw: You don't want it, and it doesn't work. |
| 13:58.27 | zweideutig | ebw: Just like the software modem in my Mac Mini. |
| 13:58.41 | zweideutig | ebw: What you want is to use your ethernet adapter. |
| 13:58.53 | ebw | zweideutig: ok. |
| 13:59.08 | zweideutig | ebw: You have broadband, right? |
| 13:59.36 | ebw | zweideutig: not always :( But I can borrow a connection sometimes. |
| 13:59.45 | zweideutig | Even if you don't, you can setup a network router that will dial your ISP. I used to do that with FreeBSD before I had cable. |
| 14:00.14 | ebw | zweideutig: And take an external modem? |
| 14:00.32 | zweideutig | What? |
| 14:00.52 | zweideutig | You would setup an LAN and just plug your laptop onto the LAN via ethernet. |
| 14:01.08 | ebw | zweideutig: Yes, but the router must use a modem. |
| 14:01.17 | zweideutig | The LAN would have a router with an Internet connection for network access. |
| 14:01.28 | ebw | zweideutig: ok |
| 14:01.32 | zweideutig | ebw: The router would be another machine. |
| 14:01.43 | zweideutig | Have you done networking? |
| 14:02.16 | ebw | zweideutig: Yes, so far everything is ok. But that other machine would need to use a modem, because I only have a telephone line at home, so I would need to buy an additional external modem? |
| 14:02.59 | ebw | Is there any possibility to slow down the mouse pointer in X a bit? |
| 14:03.14 | ebw | My touchpad seems to be hypersensitiv in linux ... |
| 14:03.51 | zweideutig | YOu could buy a modem. |
| 14:03.59 | zweideutig | But Dial-Up sucks. |
| 14:04.10 | zweideutig | I would at least get DSL. |
| 14:04.14 | ebw | zweideutig: Yeah, so it seems to me. |
| 14:04.31 | ebw | zweideutig: It will simply take some time to get DSL. |
| 14:04.48 | zweideutig | The phone company didn't maintain the lines so I couldn't even use Dial-Up or DSL. |
| 14:05.16 | zweideutig | The lines were so noisey that even voice conversations were difficult. |
| 14:05.37 | zweideutig | I have cable. You should try to get cable. |
| 14:06.55 | ebw | zweideutig: The cable company in my region is more than rude. And I don't want to do a 12 or 24 month agreement, if all the support I can get is: "We don't know." "We don't care." |
| 14:07.23 | Q-FUNK | ouch |
| 14:07.45 | ebw | Yeah, it really sucks. |
| 14:08.11 | ebw | Yippie, my kernel is builded, see you later |
| 14:08.47 | Q-FUNK | heh |
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| 14:13.26 | ebw | That's odd. Alsa driver works now with modules, so wired into the kernel it doesn't work. Very odd. |
| 14:15.29 | Q-FUNK | yup |
| 14:15.31 | ebw | But now it gives me: Warning 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_control:930: warning: name mismatch (DRC Switch/DRC Range) for control #8 alsactl: set_control:1025: bad control.8.value type. |
| 14:15.36 | Q-FUNK | alsa is best compiled as modules |
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| 14:27.07 | ebw | I have an .mp3 file, how can i play it with alsaplayer? |
| 14:30.06 | pahartik | ebw: too bad, but you can still give filename as argument to "alsaplayer" |
| 14:30.30 | pahartik | ebw: i recommend "gxine" |
| 14:33.59 | ebw | ok with xmms I can play the file and hear the sound, so I can ignore that error message I get when alsa is loaded ? |
| 14:35.24 | pahartik | ebw: you can ignore it, or probably make it disappear by "alsactl store" |
| 14:37.15 | ebw | cool, it disappeared. |
| 14:37.45 | ebw | So now the only thing left I think, is ikeyd, it simply does not work. My fault? |
| 14:40.01 | ebw | pahartik: "ACTION" ? What do you mean? |
| 14:44.15 | ebw | Of is there another way to make the eject key work? |
| 14:45.41 | ebw | hmm, installed gpm at the moment and it seems like those /proc mouse-button emulation does not work on console. How can I fix this? |
| 14:48.16 | ebw | [C[C[23~[23~ |
| 14:53.09 | ebw | Hmm, under X it works, but on the console those mice buttons simply doesn't work .. |
| 14:57.18 | ebw | All my fonts under X are to small, what must I do? |
| 15:02.30 | ebw | pahartik: I can't get private messages. |
| 15:03.43 | pahartik | ebw: use "xrdb" to specify larger default font sizes |
| 15:03.56 | ebw | pahartik: thanks |
| 15:04.53 | pahartik | ebw: some applications and environments also have GUI for specifying font and other parameters... |
| 15:06.08 | ebw | pahartik: Is there a more extensive manual to xrdb than "man xrdb", because "man xrdb" does not give any hint about setting font default values. |
| 15:10.02 | pahartik | ebw: they are application-specific... for example, "RESOURCES" section of "man rxvt" |
| 15:13.02 | ebw | pahartik: thanks again |
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| 15:18.52 | ebw | Under /etc/modules I can control which modules are tried to load at startup? Or is there a more "debian" way of doing this? |
| 15:23.04 | Bor_Ed | can anyone play http://70.85.110.218:11411 on mplayer or vlc without corrupt gfx? it works on peecee with ffmpeg vp3 codec but gives mosaic image for me on ppc :I |
| 15:26.04 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "Error: ICY-Server is full, skipping!" |
| 15:26.14 | Bor_Ed | yea, it tends to be full... keep retrying |
| 15:26.28 | Bor_Ed | I had to try ~15 mins to start the playback on peecee :) |
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| 15:31.24 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "until ! mplayer http://70.85.110.218:11411 ; do sleep 2 ; done" |
| 15:31.48 | Bor_Ed | a sec, there's a site with more of such streams too |
| 15:31.54 | Bor_Ed | http://fluffis.mine.nu/streams.html |
| 15:32.09 | Bor_Ed | they all work on peecee/linux but either crap out or have mosaic on ppc |
| 15:35.33 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: store some stream with "curl" and then share with us? |
| 15:35.58 | Bor_Ed | kid's watching at the peecee :D |
| 15:36.35 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and that is relevant? |
| 15:36.51 | Bor_Ed | well, she is quiet while watching :P |
| 15:37.04 | Q-FUNK | doh |
| 15:37.30 | Bor_Ed | curl <addy to stream> ... right? |
| 15:37.37 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you do not have access to network and disk space while that happens? |
| 15:37.47 | Bor_Ed | eh? |
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| 15:38.25 | Bor_Ed | I have both bandwidth (stream is 128kbps) and disk space (some 100's of megs free on all fs's) |
| 15:38.56 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you probably do not want that stream output to terminal |
| 15:39.09 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 15:41.03 | Bor_Ed | asking from the dude that showed me the stream if he could record a while... looks like the streamer allows only 1 connection from same ip |
| 15:43.57 | Bor_Ed | hmm, any way to save from current stream playing by other user on the peecee? :o |
| 15:44.38 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "tcpdump"? |
| 15:45.01 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to dump the stuff on the router? |
| 15:45.42 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: on any host that stream passes through? |
| 15:46.07 | Bor_Ed | well that's router and the peecee desktop |
| 15:49.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm, got the stream showing up on tcpdump but how to save just that thingy? |
| 15:55.06 | Bor_Ed | ~30 mins and I can start trying to curl stream... |
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| 15:58.55 | ebw | Which packages do I need to do wifi with my ibook2 ? |
| 15:59.29 | Bor_Ed | wireless-utils or such should be enough |
| 15:59.35 | Bor_Ed | aww, -tools |
| 15:59.52 | Bor_Ed | or something |
| 16:00.17 | Bor_Ed | or you can use the WM/desktop utils too |
| 16:06.04 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: can ya give full curl line with source of http://70.85.110.218:11411 |
| 16:09.14 | ebw | Which WM/desktop utils are available? |
| 16:09.37 | Bor_Ed | check on apt-cahce |
| 16:10.31 | ebw | Isn't there a category for such things in aptitude? |
| 16:10.40 | Bor_Ed | most probably not |
| 16:11.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "curl http://70.85.110.218:11411 > output-file" |
| 16:11.54 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 16:12.08 | Bor_Ed | dropped that to loop |
| 16:14.18 | Bor_Ed | x86 gave up on stream but buggr can't get download on |
| 16:14.45 | Bor_Ed | hooked to the stream !! |
| 16:14.57 | Bor_Ed | and it stopped :I |
| 16:20.45 | ebw | Is there a tool or command for viewing the amount of space a cerain directory structure needs? |
| 16:21.12 | Bor_Ed | du -h ... though that only tells the files already there |
| 16:21.35 | ebw | thanks |
| 16:27.25 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: got couple of secs (~5) of the stream but mplayer just whines that can't connect to socket |
| 16:31.00 | Bor_Ed | got the stream up now on mplayer... the codec is exactly the same but image certainly isn't :o same -vo plugin and so on but something just ain't right |
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| 16:34.07 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "curl" refused to receive it? |
| 16:34.11 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:34.47 | Bor_Ed | at least it didn't load up on mplayer |
| 16:35.06 | Bor_Ed | just put loop on and check yourself |
| 16:35.39 | Bor_Ed | -vo xv gives just blank green image :o |
| 16:36.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: 5 seconds may just not be enough for anything to show up |
| 16:37.14 | Bor_Ed | yea... though mplayer pukes as non-playable file |
| 16:37.31 | Bor_Ed | just try out yourself :) |
| 16:42.10 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: when i get back from slow pay-per-byte mobile network |
| 16:45.50 | Bor_Ed | aww buggr... could it be that mach64 is just too slow to playback the stream? |
| 16:46.43 | Bor_Ed | -vo directfb had same effect as any X output |
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| 17:07.41 | ebw | in xkeycaps I can only scroll down with the scroll bar, how to scroll up? |
| 17:12.24 | ebw | m |
| 17:14.26 | ebw | Where can I find a documentation of xkb? |
| 17:15.08 | Bor_Ed | manpages probably have some |
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| 18:00.38 | sloopy | ravenbird: reset adb |
| 18:00.39 | ravenbird | no idea, sloopy |
| 18:00.46 | sloopy | hmmm :'/ |
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| 18:01.56 | meheren | hellow |
| 18:02.46 | sloopy | hi |
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| 18:05.28 | meheren | helow dj-death |
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| 18:05.38 | dj-death | hi |
| 18:05.47 | meheren | hi rene |
| 18:06.25 | sloopy | SimonRaven: ping |
| 18:10.31 | meheren | does anyone no how to register your screen name? |
| 18:11.02 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.07 | meheren | does anyone no how to register your irc screen name? |
| 18:11.14 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.18 | meheren | ? |
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| 18:11.35 | Stereo | meheren: just type /msg nickserv help like sloopy tells you :) |
| 18:11.38 | sloopy | enter it and it will point you in the right direction ;') |
| 18:11.55 | Stereo | it's Magic(tm) |
| 18:11.57 | meheren | into my web browser ? |
| 18:12.03 | Stereo | no, here |
| 18:12.06 | meheren | ok |
| 18:12.22 | Stereo | note that we're officially not allowed to use magic in debian. It says so in the policy. |
| 18:12.33 | Stereo | so this stays between us. Ok? |
| 18:12.43 | meheren | ok |
| 18:13.43 | sloopy | n gfffffffffffv |
| 18:13.54 | meheren | thx |
| 18:13.56 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.52 | Stereo | stop it sloopy, don't tell them what our magical chant is! |
| 18:16.04 | sloopy | my son seems to understand the idea of the keyboard just not the specifics.... |
| 18:16.51 | meheren | lol |
| 18:17.07 | sloopy | anyone around who knows how to do a fact search in the bot? |
| 18:17.27 | Stereo | your son might be interested in joining the course I'm giving to my cat |
| 18:17.30 | Bor_Ed | check out rtfm on blootbot ... |
| 18:17.44 | Bor_Ed | should be available online too |
| 18:18.11 | sloopy | rtfm is useful :'/ |
| 18:18.30 | Bor_Ed | it tends to be :) |
| 18:18.43 | peterrooney | Stereo: dpkg -l libmagic1 ? :) |
| 18:19.01 | Stereo | peterrooney: sssht! |
| 18:19.07 | Stereo | http://fun.drno.de/pics/bruteforce-cat.jpg <-- my cat |
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| 18:19.11 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: the command isnt (for some strange reason) in its command listing... |
| 18:19.16 | meheren | nope sry |
| 18:19.24 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: aww well then... |
| 18:19.39 | Bor_Ed | bot whined to me to RTFM too on try on search :) |
| 18:20.03 | Bor_Ed | ravenbird: search adb |
| 18:20.03 | ravenbird | Bor_Ed: are you using Windows? |
| 18:20.12 | Bor_Ed | aww :D |
| 18:20.14 | meheren | bor_ed are you a genious it seems as if you no every question someone asks? |
| 18:20.22 | sloopy | its a cute widdle kittie, hacking the US pentagon!!! :'D |
| 18:20.29 | Bor_Ed | meheren: lol no |
| 18:20.44 | meheren | lol |
| 18:20.49 | sloopy | meheren: yeah but he learned it all from irc, so stay here and you will know all too ;') |
| 18:21.24 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: well I ain't the concentration of knowledge but what I know has came from irc pretty much... you have a point there |
| 18:21.38 | meheren | ok |
| 18:21.44 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: shame yer across the pond, i have some stuff i am getting rid of, i would offer it to you for shipping... |
| 18:22.14 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: check out tnt, ups or such shipping costs to here :I |
| 18:22.20 | meheren | like what are you getting rid of? |
| 18:23.20 | sloopy | some old machines, 7200's etc |
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| 18:23.28 | os2finn | hello all |
| 18:23.32 | meheren | hellow |
| 18:23.37 | sloopy | 'ello |
| 18:23.40 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: there ^^ is a victim for ya :D |
| 18:23.52 | meheren | yeh old all right |
| 18:24.18 | os2finn | who me? :D |
| 18:24.29 | Bor_Ed | I've had 7200 and it ran linux like charm |
| 18:24.34 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: you :) |
| 18:24.36 | sloopy | no ram but i can include a power surge mobo so a upgradeable cpu card could be installed... |
| 18:24.49 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: and 8200, and... ;') |
| 18:25.02 | Bor_Ed | 4400 and beige g3 currently :D |
| 18:25.11 | Bor_Ed | and lets not forget the m68k macs either :) |
| 18:25.20 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Can you guess what I am up to? |
| 18:25.24 | Zambba | i have no use for my powermac 9600 :S |
| 18:25.31 | sloopy | i have a beige G3 as a router |
| 18:25.31 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: no idea |
| 18:25.39 | meheren | lol |
| 18:25.48 | os2finn | Bor_ed: building MkLinux :) |
| 18:25.49 | sloopy | Zambba: wish i still had my 9600 :'/ |
| 18:25.57 | Bor_Ed | Zambba: drop it to matkahuolto and I'll pay for the shipping? :) |
| 18:26.00 | os2finn | 9500/200 here |
| 18:26.05 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: why I ain't suprised |
| 18:26.27 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Hmmm.... I have no idea :) |
| 18:26.49 | sloopy | mine was a 9600/300 but i got it with a G3-366 but sold it as a 9600/350 |
| 18:27.08 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: well I just got 2.6.13.3 built on my cluster here... got to reboot at some point :) |
| 18:27.21 | sloopy | oh yeah i also have a 9600 mobo i am getting rid of... |
| 18:28.13 | meheren | You have a ton of old macs!=-O |
| 18:28.19 | sloopy | i have a 8500 i am sure alot of people would want :') |
| 18:28.31 | os2finn | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6809426996 |
| 18:28.40 | os2finn | bor_ed: check price :) |
| 18:28.57 | Bor_Ed | buggr, you really think I'd launch up a browser? :o |
| 18:29.06 | sloopy | http://home.comcast.net/~sloopym/ |
| 18:29.48 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: 710 friggin' bucks? :o |
| 18:29.57 | os2finn | bor_ed: I thought u like to live dangerously :) |
| 18:30.04 | os2finn | bor_ed: and was correct |
| 18:30.09 | os2finn | bor_ed: yep |
| 18:30.22 | Bor_Ed | geebus:o |
| 18:30.32 | sloopy | also it now has a ide cd-rw |
| 18:30.39 | meheren | with mol can you put say panther on a g3 blue and white and use debian but not have to upgrade your g3 for panther? |
| 18:31.08 | sloopy | panther is 10.4? |
| 18:31.08 | Bor_Ed | my beige g3 has 54x cd-rw too... and buggr hd's manage to burn at 12x without burnfree to kick in :) |
| 18:31.18 | Bor_Ed | tiger is 10.4 |
| 18:31.31 | Bor_Ed | panther is 10.3 and jaguar is 10.2 |
| 18:31.31 | sloopy | panther is 10.3 then? |
| 18:32.11 | sloopy | meheren: mrs sloopy uses a B&W G3-300 with 10.3 and it would be happy if it had more ram (it has 256megs now) |
| 18:32.20 | Bor_Ed | I don't recall 10.1 and 10.0 names but those really aren't available either nowadays |
| 18:32.29 | sloopy | on my B&W 400 with 512megs it was nice |
| 18:32.38 | meheren | bobcat and cheeta |
| 18:32.41 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: one was cheetah |
| 18:32.57 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 18:33.00 | os2finn | btw what is fastest 604 mac built? |
| 18:33.04 | sloopy | i guess we know who the mac os geek is ;') |
| 18:33.15 | sloopy | os2finn: 9600/350 |
| 18:33.16 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: check out www.apple-history.com |
| 18:33.22 | sloopy | (and 8600/350 ) |
| 18:33.41 | os2finn | anyone got those for donation? |
| 18:33.41 | sloopy | damn... knowing this would make me the apple geek too :'/ |
| 18:34.11 | os2finn | sloopy: lets hope u were incorrect :) |
| 18:34.12 | sloopy | os2finn: why not put a G3 in your 9600? would be faster |
| 18:34.19 | sloopy | os2finn: no i am not... |
| 18:34.42 | Bor_Ed | speaking of the devil... everyone read the article about apple shipping 1.5GHz macminis already? :) |
| 18:34.52 | meheren | yeh |
| 18:34.52 | os2finn | sloopy: Do you think Mklinux would like that? |
| 18:35.09 | Bor_Ed | mklinux runs only on nubus macs |
| 18:35.17 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: no cause it would make me cry with my 400Mhz G3... |
| 18:35.31 | sloopy | os2finn: dunno, i wouldnt want to think of running mkLinux |
| 18:35.31 | os2finn | Bor_ed: its running on my 8500/200 and its PCI |
| 18:35.40 | Bor_Ed | os2finn ? |
| 18:35.52 | sloopy | mkLinux will run on early pci machines |
| 18:35.57 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 18:36.12 | sloopy | (all the pre g3 ones |
| 18:36.24 | sloopy | that didnt have performa in the name) |
| 18:36.28 | Bor_Ed | I think I'll still keep the 2.4.27 running on this :) |
| 18:36.35 | os2finn | thats why I was asking about 604 macs |
| 18:36.35 | Bor_Ed | Linux |
| 18:36.39 | Bor_Ed | Linux 603ev 2.4.27-powerpc #1 ven sep 3 09:34:51 CEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:36.52 | sloopy | 603? aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! |
| 18:37.00 | Bor_Ed | 603ev/200 :D |
| 18:37.05 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.14 | Bor_Ed | (we moved in 157 days back :) |
| 18:37.35 | sloopy | so why only 156 days of uptime? |
| 18:37.58 | meheren | good question |
| 18:37.59 | Bor_Ed | I found the box from the move stack on 2nd day :D |
| 18:38.16 | meheren | oh |
| 18:38.17 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.27 | Bor_Ed | actually I found the box before but the cables were missing |
| 18:38.45 | sloopy | i put the router in the garage 72 days ago |
| 18:39.14 | Bor_Ed | I have the router under my desktop box ~30 cm from me, next to the sofa |
| 18:39.52 | sloopy | this is an old house, i needed to move some stuff to a different part of the house because the power here was getting flakey... |
| 18:40.33 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: oh forgot to tell you i made myself a new computer desk... i will have pics up soon... |
| 18:40.41 | Bor_Ed | here's only 3 boxen up 24/7 on this circuit... old boxen are up occasionally but they take power from another fuse |
| 18:41.10 | sloopy | brb |
| 18:41.25 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: I'd take a pic of my 'comp center' but cam batteries are on recharge |
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| 18:43.09 | meheren | im back acidentaly closed screen |
| 18:43.19 | meheren | lol:-[ |
| 18:43.45 | Bor_Ed | ctrl+a+d everytime before you even switch task :D |
| 18:45.24 | meheren | ? |
| 18:45.29 | meheren | and that does what? |
| 18:46.07 | Bor_Ed | detaches screen |
| 18:46.28 | meheren | oh |
| 18:46.41 | Bor_Ed | screen -r reattaches... |
| 18:46.46 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i delegate "switching task" to kernel... |
| 18:47.49 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: well I do to apps... on good ol' days it was kernels prob but nowadays with multitasking as obvious environment I've taken that to this |
| 18:47.54 | meheren | cool |
| 18:52.09 | sloopy | i am just an X11 ho... |
| 18:58.34 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Mach microkernel is built :) |
| 18:59.52 | Bor_Ed | buggr new kernel doesn't like to launch r128 X either :o |
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| 19:00.29 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.13.3 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)) #1 Sun Oct 9 21:01:28 EEST 2005 pretty old one though |
| 19:01.14 | sloopy | yeah my beige G3 doesnt run X either, it locks the machine solid |
| 19:01.54 | Bor_Ed | this kernel runs ok... |
| 19:02.32 | Bor_Ed | just that I don't have the r128 acceleration, though just found the reason too, I did change XF86Config-4 instead of xorg.conf :) |
| 19:02.57 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: want my kernel deb for a trial? |
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| 19:03.48 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: nah, can use it... besides the KVM for the machine is in an unreachable part of the garage now so running X would be a wombat |
| 19:06.48 | sloopy | s/can/cant |
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| 19:15.46 | Bor_Ed | sloopy: heard of vnc? :) |
| 19:29.17 | sloopy | Bor_Ed: yeah used it on my old router machine... |
| 19:30.06 | Bor_Ed | I have only sshd running on my router/server... it doesn't have even kb/mouse/screen around |
| 19:31.00 | sloopy | the KVM was sitting there already so it was just a matter of plugging it all in... nothing really needed to move... |
| 19:31.43 | Bor_Ed | I still haven't found adb/usb/macvideo KVMs around here :I |
| 19:42.24 | meheren | any1 here no anything about xpde? |
| 19:42.45 | Bor_Ed | it looks shitty, I know that much |
| 19:45.24 | meheren | it looks? |
| 19:48.27 | meheren | whatr do u mean does it look bad? |
| 19:49.21 | meheren | help |
| 19:56.27 | meheren | i need help with xpde does any1 no anything about it? |
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| 20:08.35 | meheren | hi withc |
| 20:09.06 | meheren | {[(8 minuets ago lol)]} hi witch |
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| 20:25.45 | witch | Hi meheren |
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| 21:29.59 | SimonRaven | sloopy: pong |
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| 22:29.59 | sloopy | SimonRaven: was trying to reset adb bus, and ravenbird doesnt seem to know and i thought you told the little birdie... |
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| 23:18.31 | SimonRaven | sloopy: oh, maybe, but i do have it in my aliases |
| 23:18.37 | SimonRaven | @listkeys adb |
| 23:18.40 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'adb' by key (12): squadboy ;; bigbadben ;; knew: breadbox ;; heh breadboxes ;; broadband ;; bladblocks ;; breadbox ;; deadbeef ;; breadboxes ;; headbone ;; deadbat ;; adbbs. |
| 23:18.52 | SimonRaven | @listvals adb |
| 23:18.55 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'adb' by value (15 of 29): be random ;; billy idol ;; brainfuck ;; damouse ;; elf ;; fblevel ;; fudje ;; kerpal ;; knew: breadbox ;; msce ;; multilink ;; topic ;; unknown command 'not sure, ;; wimpie- ;; xorg. |
| 23:19.16 | SimonRaven | i'll just add it.. |
| 23:20.37 | SimonRaven | @adbreset is <reply>If your ADB bus needs restting for some reason, run "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adb bs=2 count=1". you can add it to your shell's aliases with alias adbreset="sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adb bs=2 count=1" |
| 23:20.38 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 23:20.41 | SimonRaven | ;) |
