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09:25.25xLobeznoxhi
09:25.29xLobeznoxsomeone using sid?
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10:03.18SimonRavenyes, many people do
10:04.05shadowangelis anyone here running debian on a pismo?
10:04.25SimonRavensome are
10:04.46SimonRavenwhy don't you two ask your question, instead of meta-questions? ;)
10:04.54shadowangeljust wondering if some had any luck compiling firefox on one
10:05.05shadowangelmeta-questions are fun
10:05.08SimonRavenwhy are you compiling firefox?
10:05.21shadowangelbecause there isn't a pre compiled binary
10:05.34shadowangelat least not one I could find
10:05.56SimonRavenyes there is. mozilla-firefox
10:06.04SimonRaven@tell shadowangel -about search
10:06.32shadowangelthanks
10:06.38SimonRaven:)
10:06.44shadowangeli'm new to debian... came from freebsd
10:06.50SimonRaven*nods*
10:08.34shadowangelapt-get install mozilla-firefox
10:08.38shadowangelomg, that was easy
10:08.44SimonRaven;)
10:08.54shadowangelnow I feel like a tard, because I went to mozilla.org trying to find a download
10:09.02SimonRavens'ok
10:10.54shadowangelthe other problem i'm having is...
10:11.02shadowangelI only have one mouse button!
10:11.13SimonRaven@tell shadowangel -about 3 buttons
10:11.32shadowangelyour amazing
10:11.35SimonRavencan you tell that's a fairly common question? ;)
10:11.39shadowangelyeah
10:11.48shadowangelit was the first one that popped in to my head after the install
10:11.51shadowangel:)
10:11.55SimonRavenheh
10:12.32shadowangelthank god for IRC
10:12.45shadowangelthat would of been at least two hours with the google
10:12.52shadowangel:)~
10:12.59shadowangelteh google
10:13.17SimonRavenoften if you stick in 'debian' for stuff like that you'll get the lists' archives
10:13.31SimonRavendebian-powerpc for instance
10:13.34shadowangeli'll try that next time
10:16.18shadowangelnow, if you could only take my test for me
10:26.44shadowangelam I right in assuming that the second sysctl -w dev.... mouse command will allow me to set a key on my keyboard to emulate the 2nd and 3rd mouse buttons?
10:27.15shadowangelbut then those keys will only do that and not perform their normal function?
10:27.33xLobeznoxSimonRaven, I have a problen in sid ppc with xserver-xorg
10:28.06SimonRavenshadowangel: yup
10:28.21xLobeznoxterminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
10:28.21xLobeznox<PROTECTED>
10:28.26SimonRavenpeople usually use F11 and F12 or similar
10:28.33xLobeznoxcant installe / remove anything because this
10:28.34shadowangelsimonraven: I will think very carefully about the keychoice
10:28.39shadowangelty ;)
10:28.53SimonRavenxLobeznox: something is very broken there, and i have no idea what
10:29.07xLobeznoxSimonRaven, is not only my problem?
10:29.28SimonRavenno, first time i've seen it. check the BTS, maybe someone did
10:29.31SimonRaven@bts
10:29.32ravenbirdrumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug
10:30.29SimonRavenreportbug also has querybts in it, so you can do say 'querybts <bug number>' or 'querybts <package name>'
10:43.23shadowangelsimon
10:43.33shadowangelwhen I did showkey, it gave me two hex values
10:43.41shadowangelwas I just supposed to use the first one?
10:43.52xLobeznoxSimonRaven, i fixed it by doing dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-*
10:44.05SimonRavendefault changed, sec
10:44.11xLobeznoxnow apt is OK
10:45.45SimonRavenxLobeznox: cool
10:46.03SimonRavenshadowangel: yeh, and convert to decimal
10:46.22SimonRaven(or leave it as-is, but, might not work)
10:47.48shadowangeloops
10:48.09shadowangelnowdmyddpacedkeysadredreallydjackeddup
10:48.41shadowangelspacebarnoworky
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10:50.08shadowangeldamn it still doesn't work
10:50.24shadowangelI did showkey and it gave me 57d7
10:50.36shadowangelwhich is 22487 in decimal
10:51.00shadowangelso I did  sysctl -w dev.mac_hid.mouse_button2_keycode=22487
10:51.06shadowangelis that not correct?
10:52.14SimonRavenoops
10:52.28SimonRavenno. i thought you were getting hex numbers, sorry
10:52.28shadowangelwhat's up?
10:52.35shadowangelI was getting hex
10:52.46shadowangelit gave me 0x57 then 0xd7
10:52.57shadowangelthat was the showkey output
10:53.11SimonRavenhmm. check the list maybe
10:53.18shadowangellist?
10:53.26shadowangelah, mailing list
10:53.27SimonRavenmaling list
10:53.30shadowangelkk
10:53.31SimonRaven:)
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11:00.58shadowangelfyi, if u didn't know, the second value showkey gives you is the value equal to depressing that key
11:01.01shadowangel:)
11:01.06shadowangelgoogle is amazing
11:01.22SimonRavenyeh
11:10.06shadowangelty for the advice
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11:13.52shadowangeli'm back...
11:14.17shadowangeljust wanted to say that the sysctl commands didn't work for me even temporarily,  but editing the sysctl.conf did
11:14.20SimonRavenbtw, np
11:14.51SimonRavenyou have to restart gpm/x for it to work IIRC
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11:15.12shadowangelohhhh
11:15.50SimonRavengood thing you didn't though ;)
11:16.01shadowangelyep
11:16.10shadowangelnow I loove my mac again
11:16.16SimonRaven:)
11:16.54SimonRaveni'm typing from an x86 box, but i much prefer my ppc boxen
11:17.31shadowangelyes, linux on ppc... a malware free safehaven
11:17.43SimonRavenindeed
11:17.50SimonRavenoh, this one is debian too ;)
11:18.09shadowangelnot too shabby
11:18.19shadowangelyou can suffer from the x86 ASM though
11:18.22shadowangel:(
11:18.40SimonRavenyah. and the crappy legacy 8086 stuff
11:18.48shadowangelhaha
11:18.49SimonRavenoh, and the looong pipelines...
11:18.50shadowangelreally?
11:19.01SimonRavenCISC...
11:20.19SimonRavenwhen i compare performance under say 3+ load average, the ppc boxen still run smooth interactively, whereas the x86 box is dumb slow. disk i/o not a factor, it's in udma2
11:21.25shadowangelur above my level know
11:21.37shadowangelhardware, ewww
11:22.12shadowangelwhat do you think about the amd 64?
11:22.21SimonRavenhaven't met any
11:22.42shadowangelnor have I, dreaming of a dual opteron box
11:22.53shadowangelcan't afford the dual g5
11:23.12shadowangelplus I need it to run VMware which doesn't run on ppc
11:23.25SimonRavendual g5 (or single for that matter) would be nice
11:23.44shadowangelfor sure, this pismo is almost my best box
11:23.45shadowangellol
11:24.06SimonRavenpismo is a nice little machine
11:24.50shadowangelyes, I just wish it had more than 8mb video ram
11:24.55SimonRavenit's running tiger (?; 10.4)
11:24.56shadowangeltis the only downfall
11:25.13shadowangelhmm, I thought it couldn't run tiger
11:25.18SimonRaveni think he got it dual booting
11:25.23shadowangelnice
11:25.31SimonRavenwith xpost facto
11:25.50shadowangelI like OS X, but I don't have the cash for it
11:25.52shadowangel:(
11:26.20SimonRaveni still prefer linux or the free *bsds, but os x is ok in a pinch
11:26.30shadowangelit looks pretty
11:26.31SimonRavenmuch preferable to winbloze...
11:26.39shadowangelyeah, thats for sure
11:26.47shadowangelI hate winblows
11:27.12shadowangelI'm trying to make kde look as sexy as aqua
11:27.22SimonRavenheh
11:27.42SimonRaveneasier with gnome, or xfce4
11:28.07shadowangelxfce4 is cool?
11:28.21shadowangeli've had a recent disaster with enlightenment dr17
11:28.31shadowangelvery hard to get working
11:28.31SimonRavenyeh, small, quick, and pretty
11:28.43shadowangelcool
11:28.45shadowangelI don't like kde
11:28.47shadowangelits bloated
11:28.52shadowangelI only use terminal and firefox
11:28.53shadowangel:)
11:29.05shadowangelthis is my "security" laptop
11:29.07shadowangel;)
11:29.10SimonRaventhere's x86 debs... i'm sure you could make some ppc debs
11:29.28shadowangelno, I couldn't
11:29.33shadowangeli'm a newb to linux
11:29.36shadowangelnot very skilled
11:30.24shadowangelfind that linux makes you feel like you should be a programmer to use it sometimes
11:30.32SimonRaveni stick to building server related stuff locally; or the occasional package for a friend
11:30.58shadowangelI've never built a server
11:31.20shadowangelI mean, not  a production server
11:31.25SimonRavensometimes, but that's an impression. was truer when i started. now, with say, ubuntu, or some of the other newbie friendlier distros, not so much
11:31.44shadowangelsome of those suck
11:31.48shadowangellike yellowdog
11:31.56SimonRavenugh, ydl is a pain
11:31.57shadowangelit installed so insecure I through it out immediately
11:32.09SimonRavenyeh, same reason i wiped it
11:32.20shadowangeland it looked lame as hell
11:32.38shadowangelI liked the little startup noise though
11:32.39shadowangelhaha
11:32.40SimonRaventried it on a 6500, then i saw what it did to /dev, i freaked, and installed debian on top
11:32.59SimonRavenand the redhat adduser sucks...
11:33.10shadowangeleverything redhat sucks
11:33.16SimonRavenhehe, true
11:33.23shadowangelI dont' even know what the difference is between yellow dog and redhat
11:33.32shadowangelexcept the packaging
11:34.21SimonRavenydl is ppc-specific, redhat (fedora) has a ppc port. last i saw it wasn't well maintained
11:34.32shadowangelgot it
11:34.59SimonRaventhere's othe differences, but i suspect they both do horrible insecure things
11:35.20SimonRaveneh, gotta get ready to go soon
11:35.43shadowangelwell, have fun
11:35.45shadowangelthanks again
11:35.50shadowangeli'm off from work soon
11:35.52SimonRavennp, you too
11:44.35mirakhi
11:44.51mirakdoes IBM provide a JAVA VM 1.5 ?
11:45.37mirakI have problems running java applications with swing on 1.4.2. I have read someone said it's poorly bound to X
11:45.45mirakhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2005-October/010527.html
11:54.07SimonRavendunno. go see
11:55.19SimonRavenhttps://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=lxdk
12:02.33mirakcrap I don't remeber my Id
12:24.48mirakSimonRaven: hum, is it iSeries ?
12:24.54mirakthe arch
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13:49.02miraklook what IBM is doing with is java VM : stat64("/etc/jre/bin/j9vm/libjvm.so", 0x7fd1d570) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)  . They exept us to install the jre into /etc/
13:49.25g123ok
13:49.32mirakhow or maybe the problem is with the alternatives I set
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18:42.22Bor_Ed"Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Released".... where in hell they get the names from :o
18:47.03_rene_no idea but this isn't #ubuntuppc
18:47.33Bor_Edtrue that... just go me wondering (I real /. I must confess :)
18:47.40Bor_Eds/real/read/g
18:50.23pahartikBor_Ed: they have got decent names
18:50.52Bor_Edyup... just a bit uncommon to my little brains :)
18:55.53pahartikBor_Ed: i am waiting for <...> Meerkat
18:56.21Bor_Edeh?
18:57.46pahartikBor_Ed: seems to be native african species versioning so far...
18:59.01Bor_Edahh
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19:05.21unorigbryanis there anyway to simulate a 2 button mouse in debian?
19:05.48Bor_Edyup
19:05.56Bor_Ed@3 button mouse
19:06.07Bor_Edaww... why can't I use the bot...
19:06.12Bor_Ed~3 button mouse
19:06.27unorigbryanis it um hard to do?
19:06.42Bor_Ednope, couple of lines to /etc/sysctl.conf
19:07.01Bor_Edgoogle for 3 button mouse emulation
19:07.38pahartikunorigbryan: "sudo sysctl -a | grep mouse_button"
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19:07.48Bor_Edhttp://www.jonh.net/lppcfom-serve/cache/78.html will do too
19:08.11unorigbryanthanks everyone
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19:25.17os2finnevening all
19:31.10Bor_Edthat
19:39.02os2finnoh Bor_ed
19:39.40Bor_Edthat too
19:39.47os2finn:)
19:39.49Bor_Ed:)
19:58.50pahartikhello os2finn
20:01.08os2finnhi pahartik
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21:43.22MenozJOIN #bedomenoz
21:44.26Bor_Edno thanks
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