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| 12:10.54 | wart | powerpc assembly anyone? |
| 12:24.31 | SimonRaven | #mklinux |
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| 14:00.18 | meheren | hi mamtm84x |
| 14:01.28 | meheren | [MA]MTM48|X|: hi |
| 14:08.58 | meheren | :):(;):-P:-*8-):-!:-[:-/:-X:-D*JOKINGLY**KISSED*=-O>:o:-$:'(O:-)[:-}*TIRED**STOP**KISSING*]:->@}->--@=*DRINK* there's all the smile's lol |
| 14:09.52 | meheren | ]:->@=:( |
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| 15:59.16 | TTimo | lo |
| 15:59.52 | TTimo | I'm running sid on an iBook .. anyone have tips on how to configure the trackpad a bit better? ( mostly, I want to disable the double tap click ) |
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| 18:17.06 | xxx | hi |
| 18:18.00 | xxx | is this file the one that I must use for kernel image ./arch/ppc/boot/images/vmlinux.bin |
| 18:18.08 | xxx | or is the vmlinux called_ |
| 18:22.22 | SimonRaven | xxx: the second one, the one at the top. make-kpkg takes care of that for you. |
| 18:22.55 | SimonRaven | @tell xxx -about kp |
| 18:23.40 | TTimo | yeah it's really worth learning make-kpkg and such |
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| 19:07.06 | os2finn | evening all |
| 19:07.09 | meheren | hi |
| 19:07.52 | meheren | it's 2 here what time is it where you are? |
| 19:08.35 | Bor_Ed | ~10pm in os2finn's timezone |
| 19:08.45 | meheren | wow! |
| 19:08.58 | Bor_Ed | a bit over... |
| 19:09.06 | Bor_Ed | Fri Oct 14 22:08:53 EEST 2005 |
| 19:09.11 | os2finn | thanks to Bor_ed for correct time info :) |
| 19:09.11 | Bor_Ed | ^^ much :) |
| 19:09.22 | Bor_Ed | hehe, no prob :P |
| 19:09.36 | Bor_Ed | yer not watching nekkid gun? :o |
| 19:09.56 | os2finn | if its on 4 or subtv then no :( |
| 19:10.08 | Bor_Ed | nelonen... |
| 19:10.27 | os2finn | ah, its only 1,2 and 3 for me :( |
| 19:10.40 | Bor_Ed | yuer on real countryside? :) |
| 19:10.57 | os2finn | nope but I am too lazy to set up my digibox |
| 19:11.01 | os2finn | :D |
| 19:11.07 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 19:11.36 | Bor_Ed | nelonen requires digidigi?... must be a bad terrestial coverage |
| 19:12.25 | os2finn | I have antenna on my roof and old fashion analog tv needs digibox in between |
| 19:13.14 | meheren | *brb* ill be right back |
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| 19:13.27 | os2finn | btw just got AIX onto PPC thinkpad |
| 19:13.28 | Bor_Ed | I'd need digibox for finnish channels besides the 4 (5 if you count the lowsy mtv) that are available on cable here |
| 19:13.43 | Bor_Ed | 5.2xl or older? |
| 19:13.52 | os2finn | way older 4.1.5 |
| 19:14.03 | os2finn | last one officially supported |
| 19:14.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm.. that's nubus based, right? |
| 19:14.33 | os2finn | AIX? |
| 19:14.45 | Bor_Ed | my bad... mca based... the lappie |
| 19:15.23 | os2finn | nope its PCI but its PREP not CHRP. I think that its diplay adapter is not supported by X11R6 that comes with newer AIXes |
| 19:15.34 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:15.37 | os2finn | 4.1.5 has X11R5 |
| 19:15.43 | Bor_Ed | get some $$$ driver for it :) |
| 19:15.57 | os2finn | blaah :) 4.1.5 rocks |
| 19:16.17 | os2finn | besides this is first time I am using X11R5 |
| 19:16.40 | Bor_Ed | there are several *nix gfx driver kit makers out there... what was the company which made free drivers to os/2 too... something that started with s :o |
| 19:16.55 | Bor_Ed | I used x11r4 or such on a/ux |
| 19:17.06 | Bor_Ed | or was it 3 |
| 19:17.38 | os2finn | scitech... Well few among us has been succesful of installing 4.2.1 +X11R5 from 4.1.5 |
| 19:17.43 | Bor_Ed | ahh right |
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| 19:18.22 | os2finn | and I can install 5.1 and use it via serial console. it would be great setup for laptop :) |
| 19:18.45 | Bor_Ed | 4.3.2 with old X libs :D |
| 19:19.35 | os2finn | or when I get Bor_ed with AIX I can give it a boot and sun Debian? |
| 19:19.59 | os2finn | hmmm... I guess sun = run where I live |
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| 19:20.30 | Bor_Ed | dude... you've had 1 too much beer tonite :P |
| 19:20.57 | os2finn | Maybe that last bacardi coke was too much... :) |
| 19:21.26 | Bor_Ed | yea... I still haven't even started with baltic I still have from ferry trip :o |
| 19:21.33 | Bor_Ed | just beers so far |
| 19:21.34 | os2finn | But tomorrow we have Dingo + Neumann singing at local joint |
| 19:21.50 | os2finn | I am there :D |
| 19:22.28 | Bor_Ed | I dropped by to see neumann ~9 years back in tampere on one club where he played with some guitarist |
| 19:22.33 | Bor_Ed | it was a nice gig |
| 19:23.21 | os2finn | Yep, but I prefer Jussi Hakulinen |
| 19:23.50 | SimonRaven | ugh, bacardi isn't exactly great stuff either ;) |
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| 19:25.38 | os2finn | btw anyone familiar with good old mklinux? |
| 19:26.15 | SimonRaven | what little i knew i forgot, or mostly |
| 19:26.39 | os2finn | Hmmm.. I just would like to check if I got this right: |
| 19:27.43 | os2finn | there is Mach microkernel + its drivers to deal with hardware. And on top of it there is modified Linux kernel to translate Linux API calls to Mach kernel API? |
| 19:28.37 | SimonRaven | oh, you mean running say 2.4.x on a nubus mac? or...? |
| 19:28.53 | os2finn | On early PCI mac |
| 19:29.21 | SimonRaven | why bother with mklinux? :) |
| 19:29.35 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 19:29.40 | os2finn | or throwing Linux Server to wastebasket and replacing it with a server from some other os? |
| 19:29.53 | os2finn | that is built on top of Mach |
| 19:30.24 | Bor_Ed | buggr you have even older HW than I and I thought I have obsolete gear here :D |
| 19:30.39 | SimonRaven | well, if it's a pci mac, it should run linux (not mk*) fine |
| 19:30.50 | meheren | anyone now how you pronounce the word ghoti? |
| 19:30.56 | meheren | it's really supprising |
| 19:30.59 | SimonRaven | fish |
| 19:31.02 | meheren | yeh |
| 19:31.06 | os2finn | yep I had Debian on it for some time |
| 19:31.48 | os2finn | But I already run it on 2 computers so its enough Debian for me |
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| 19:32.23 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Ever told you about my m68k macs? |
| 19:32.26 | os2finn | :) |
| 19:32.45 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: yup... I've had those too... lc475 and IIci :) |
| 19:33.09 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Mine is powerbook.... hmmmm... IIRC its 520 |
| 19:33.17 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 19:33.58 | denken | ah the 'ol LC475 |
| 19:34.14 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I am just playing with an idea of replacing mklinux server with OS/2 server |
| 19:34.23 | Bor_Ed | kid used to goof around the lc475 with finnish mockos with no probs when she was 4 :) |
| 19:35.47 | meheren | lol |
| 19:35.47 | denken | i have the lc475 (my first mac) a quadra 800, a couple supermacs, two 7500's, a 7600 and two desktop model G3's |
| 19:35.47 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: got the hacking further on the ppc port thingy? :) |
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| 19:35.47 | meheren | :-D |
| 19:35.48 | denken | only the desktop g3 is running debian atm |
| 19:35.48 | Bor_Ed | I have pmac4400 as server(deb) and beige g3 desktop (deb) |
| 19:36.10 | os2finn | Bor_ed: well infact I wrote some code for Mklinux microkernel so it is able to load Little-endian ELF |
| 19:36.36 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: and why I ain't suprised :) |
| 19:36.53 | os2finn | Bor_ed: the only prob is that its not working completely yet :) |
| 19:36.58 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:37.15 | meheren | i have a ppc g5 (as a server as seeing how you cxould not use it for anything else[panther]) and a powerpc g3 desktop (debian) and a powerbook g4 panther |
| 19:37.59 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Didi I tell you about my Ebay purchase? |
| 19:38.10 | Bor_Ed | yup... did it come already? |
| 19:38.21 | meheren | what did you buy? |
| 19:38.28 | os2finn | Bor_ed: nope still have to wait for 2-3 weeks |
| 19:38.32 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 19:38.38 | os2finn | meheren: IBM 7248 |
| 19:38.50 | meheren | cool |
| 19:38.57 | meheren | cheap? |
| 19:39.15 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: you wouldn't happen to have a visa or mastercard? :) |
| 19:39.15 | os2finn | maheren: Buy it now was 74 USD. took it |
| 19:39.30 | os2finn | Bor_ed: nope my friend does |
| 19:39.43 | Bor_Ed | aww, I recall now... I've asked before too :) |
| 19:40.07 | os2finn | I cant keep my bank account positive even without it :) |
| 19:40.16 | Bor_Ed | same here :D |
| 19:40.43 | Bor_Ed | though I filled mastercard application today :P |
| 19:40.52 | os2finn | Always buying something absolute useless |
| 19:40.56 | meheren | any1 now how much 1$ is in usd or how much 1usd is in $ |
| 19:41.03 | os2finn | Like that HP Netserver LH PRO |
| 19:41.15 | Bor_Ed | meheren: www.xe.com/ucc knows |
| 19:41.33 | meheren | i don't really want to open a whole new browser |
| 19:41.49 | Bor_Ed | open up links2 -g then :D |
| 19:41.57 | meheren | im running windows witch is very slow...v...e...are.....y...... sloiw |
| 19:42.31 | os2finn | meheren: Beware of Windows I have heard there are severy security probs with it :) |
| 19:42.41 | meheren | tell me about it |
| 19:43.01 | meheren | i have so many viruses and spyware it not even funny |
| 19:43.01 | os2finn | somethings called viruses trojans and stuff... :) |
| 19:43.15 | meheren | and i have norton anit virus and xostspy |
| 19:44.37 | meheren | you don't no what a virus or tojan is?=-O |
| 19:45.04 | os2finn | meheren: never seen one really :) |
| 19:45.19 | os2finn | transferred from OS/2 to Linux |
| 19:45.23 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: never used an amiga? :D |
| 19:45.24 | meheren | lol linux and mac are secure |
| 19:45.46 | Zambba | is mac? |
| 19:45.55 | meheren | only 1 virus for the whole os |
| 19:46.03 | Bor_Ed | macs tend to have better security than peecees |
| 19:46.04 | Zambba | hmm yea |
| 19:46.11 | os2finn | Bor_ed: few times but never owned one(but am goin to) |
| 19:46.19 | Zambba | but just because it's not mainstream as wintööt |
| 19:46.20 | Bor_Ed | osx has given worm writers a brand new start thoughj |
| 19:46.28 | meheren | there are and this is an estimite may be more 100,000,000 different viruses for windows |
| 19:46.40 | Zambba | I believe that OS X is safe |
| 19:46.46 | meheren | mac is more secure though |
| 19:47.01 | meheren | especially panther and tiger |
| 19:47.04 | Zambba | but I don't think that OS <X are securely designed :S |
| 19:47.05 | Bor_Ed | osx is safer than winhoser but it has more holes than default linux install |
| 19:47.10 | meheren | jag and below had some issues |
| 19:47.22 | os2finn | hmmm what if you run Office on MAC os X doesnt same office virus work on it than on PC? |
| 19:47.31 | meheren | no |
| 19:47.40 | meheren | you would think |
| 19:47.47 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: yup but on mac they only run on userland... same on linux/staroffice/openoffice |
| 19:47.57 | Bor_Ed | they can't harm the sys |
| 19:47.59 | os2finn | ah I see |
| 19:48.26 | Bor_Ed | winhoser with 'priviledges' shines again :D |
| 19:49.02 | meheren | acordinng to mac though "all our software is perfectly secure we cannot garentee the security of 3rd partie software on our os" |
| 19:49.28 | meheren | that's for everybody who doesn't read the terms of service or whatever |
| 19:49.47 | meheren | not sure if any1 does...:-D |
| 19:50.07 | os2finn | well if it was less than 1500 pages I might... |
| 19:50.11 | Bor_Ed | osx has decent security but it ain't bulletproof... just like every other OS too |
| 19:51.08 | os2finn | to err is human, to totally fuck up things needs root password |
| 19:51.56 | Bor_Ed | amen |
| 19:56.30 | os2finn | oh it seems I am doomed to get familiar with Windows XP at work next week |
| 19:57.52 | os2finn | That CNC control from Robotronic INC. arrived today and needs to be set up during next week |
| 19:58.52 | Bor_Ed | I had to use XP for the first time today when I set up a friends dsl router to dial to isp pppoe pool instead of his isps XP dialer app :I |
| 19:59.05 | Bor_Ed | I was completely lost for a first hour or so :P |
| 19:59.38 | os2finn | I have this 300 pages technical manual(illustrated) for setting up this thing :) |
| 20:00.17 | Bor_Ed | aww fsck :D |
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| 20:02.39 | os2finn | IMHO it is only stupid to build CNC control user interface on top of Windoze but it seems to be a common trend |
| 20:03.34 | Bor_Ed | hey, I used to work on finnish electornics company and our component assembly lines ran M$ :D |
| 20:03.48 | SimonRaven | "there are no limits tou human stupidity" (sorry, don't remember who said that) |
| 20:03.50 | Bor_Ed | needless to say that there was _some_ downtime because of bsod's |
| 20:03.55 | SimonRaven | s/tou/to/ |
| 20:03.57 | os2finn | I even tried Industrial PC + CNC program from linuxcnc.org but it was not complete yet :( |
| 20:04.09 | SimonRaven | cnc? |
| 20:04.22 | os2finn | yep it was called EMC |
| 20:04.26 | Bor_Ed | computer numeric construction |
| 20:04.38 | Bor_Ed | or somthing like that :) |
| 20:04.54 | os2finn | computer numerical control maybe ? :) |
| 20:05.01 | Bor_Ed | aww rite |
| 20:05.22 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: checked the bebek kit for cnc? :P |
| 20:05.27 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 20:06.30 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Not yet, there might be risk of getting fired if I took this idea to my executive :) |
| 20:06.48 | Bor_Ed | I can undestand that :) |
| 20:07.16 | os2finn | But on the other hand there is always a new place to work at :) |
| 20:12.17 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 20:14.14 | Bor_Ed | I just got 8 months done on current job and 4 months left as rental worker before I can ask for permanent contract |
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| 20:14.59 | os2finn | Oh my life is simpler. I am working in my brothers company |
| 20:15.09 | Bor_Ed | buggr :P |
| 20:15.51 | Bor_Ed | I just work on a tiny company called vacon here :) |
| 20:16.07 | os2finn | oh they make inverters :) |
| 20:16.33 | Bor_Ed | eh? :o |
| 20:16.35 | os2finn | installed & build controlling for few |
| 20:17.17 | Bor_Ed | ahh yea... inverters and drivers and whatnot |
| 20:17.35 | os2finn | quite a nice piece of equipment it has about 2004 features but I only need 80 usually :) |
| 20:18.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you use our gear? :o |
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| 20:18.42 | os2finn | sometimes :) |
| 20:19.16 | Bor_Ed | congrats on decent choice :D |
| 20:19.45 | os2finn | also use Mitusbishi and Omron :) |
| 20:20.11 | Bor_Ed | you assemble the stuff? |
| 20:20.23 | Bor_Ed | ... to customers... |
| 20:20.30 | os2finn | u mean install? |
| 20:20.56 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 20:22.54 | os2finn | Yes, usually we make complete machines to customers and sometimes inverters are in them. |
| 20:23.22 | os2finn | Controlled by PLC or PC |
| 20:24.02 | Bor_Ed | what is the area you work on if I may ask? :) |
| 20:25.21 | os2finn | U mean my role in machine manufacturing within our company? |
| 20:25.59 | Bor_Ed | what you do on the field... the gear you assemble in big picture |
| 20:26.22 | Bor_Ed | hrm... install.. |
| 20:27.23 | os2finn | Well I make pick up suitable componenst for system draw schematics, wire them up, program PLC's or PCS that is my doing |
| 20:27.39 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 20:28.24 | os2finn | I like to do it all so I can see if I made any errors at some point and correct them in future. |
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| 20:29.01 | Bor_Ed | yea... it's a bit easier to troubleshoot if you know the chain of progress :) |
| 20:29.14 | os2finn | Yep :) |
| 20:30.43 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd we just have to check the engineer infos on changing thingies... and occasionally bug 'em because of some probs... |
| 20:31.06 | Bor_Ed | btw, it was nice to see yesterday 690 volt device to blow up on test bench :D |
| 20:32.34 | os2finn | Smokes? :) |
| 20:32.57 | Bor_Ed | some in test oven... it doesn't blow up the whole line |
| 20:33.31 | Bor_Ed | anyway, it was first 690 volt device I saw blowing up, a bit nicer sound than with 500 volt ones tend to make :D |
| 20:33.39 | os2finn | :D |
| 20:37.57 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 20:38.11 | SimonRaven | there ya go, blowing things up again. you bad boy :P |
| 20:38.39 | Bor_Ed | it wasn't made by me :D |
| 20:38.50 | os2finn | And believe it or not some people get paid for blowing things up :) |
| 20:38.55 | Bor_Ed | my last exploding device is from may :D |
| 20:39.09 | SimonRaven | i'm just kidding :) |
| 20:39.21 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: D'OH :D |
| 20:39.29 | os2finn | mine is from july (forgot PC power supply to 110VAC and plugged it in :) |
| 20:39.33 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 20:39.43 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 20:40.11 | os2finn | that does not sound good either |
| 20:40.15 | Bor_Ed | mmm, peecees tend not to like 230vac on half of the transformer :D |
| 20:40.29 | Bor_Ed | and caps tend to smell pretty good after such connection :) |
| 20:40.37 | os2finn | they do yes |
| 20:40.52 | os2finn | have to remember this when 7248 arrives |
| 20:41.01 | os2finn | it is from US |
| 20:41.20 | Bor_Ed | you got europlug for it already as well as 230/115vac transformer? :) |
| 20:41.21 | SimonRaven | yeh, don't forget to flip the switch on the back of the PS ;) |
| 20:42.50 | os2finn | Hmmm... My luck is that switch has jammed to 115VAC and I can filp it but because it is jammed the PS goes to heaven for computer parts :) |
| 20:43.30 | SimonRaven | eh, that sucks mildly |
| 20:43.32 | Bor_Ed | well you can always hack AT psu to the thingy |
| 20:43.45 | os2finn | Bor |
| 20:43.51 | Bor_Ed | os |
| 20:44.04 | SimonRaven | boros |
| 20:44.11 | Bor_Ed | eric... |
| 20:44.19 | os2finn | Bor_ed: And during this process I manage to free MB to same place than PS already went :D |
| 20:44.41 | Bor_Ed | lol |
| 20:48.24 | os2finn | I am just hoping that damn OS/2 installs onto that machine |
| 20:48.32 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6893988864.html update on slof from ibm |
| 20:49.04 | os2finn | hmmm... lets see |
| 20:50.42 | os2finn | hollis at mklinux chan may try SLOF on PREP mcahines he owns |
| 20:51.30 | os2finn | they dont have OF at all only crappy residual data thing |
| 20:51.42 | Bor_Ed | slof and u-boot are decent projects to hack if one has some skills and time |
| 20:51.59 | os2finn | the idea is to put SLOF on PREP boot partition |
| 20:52.07 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 20:52.49 | os2finn | yep not a bad idea at all |
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| 20:57.59 | os2finn | BTW anyone have upgrade processor card for 9500/200? |
| 20:58.37 | Bor_Ed | ebay has those occasionally... and I saw one at huuto recently too |
| 20:58.58 | os2finn | hmmm lets check huuto.net |
| 20:59.53 | Bor_Ed | sonnet cards aren't that expensive even as new though |
| 21:00.03 | os2finn | thye still sell em? |
| 21:00.10 | Bor_Ed | hellyea |
| 21:00.22 | os2finn | oh geez :) |
| 21:01.42 | Bor_Ed | http://www.sonnettech.com/product/cpu_upgrades.html |
| 21:02.16 | Bor_Ed | g4 cpus available on stock |
| 21:02.38 | Bor_Ed | up to 800MHz only though |
| 21:03.08 | os2finn | hmmm G3 is 150$ and G4 is 350$ |
| 21:03.25 | os2finn | G3 is enough for me I guess |
| 21:04.22 | Bor_Ed | I've been thinking of upgrading this g3/315 to g4/500 here... $150 for the altivec |
| 21:04.55 | Bor_Ed | https://secure1.sonnettech.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_35&products_id=50&osCsid=4c7290abaf3f442aa469d101a8a5cf63 card |
| 21:05.59 | os2finn | hmmm that Tempo Trio seems nice card too... |
| 21:07.02 | os2finn | gives me firewire USB and ATA-133 all that 9500 lacks |
| 21:07.09 | Bor_Ed | well as you see, there are still upgrades available for the thingies... xlr8 or such (I don't speek leet) has some upgrades too but they aren't that common afaik |
| 21:08.24 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: I have clas ohlsson (noname) usb2.0 pci card here which works just perfect on linux, mockos did puke on boot with its usb drivers though so I had to disable them |
| 21:09.30 | os2finn | Hmmm... but on the other hand Tempo + G3 would cost 300$ and if I buy old G3 machine I can get it with 300$ I guess... |
| 21:09.56 | Bor_Ed | if you calculate like that, just get genesis ODW |
| 21:10.51 | Bor_Ed | oh... and I could sell ya an old g3 machine :) |
| 21:11.01 | Bor_Ed | (at less than $300 too :) |
| 21:11.35 | os2finn | Hmmm tell me more :) (I have some extra money to spend into something stupid :) |
| 21:11.58 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.08 | SimonRaven | yeh i do, but i'm gonna get video card |
| 21:12.12 | SimonRaven | too |
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| 21:27.49 | TTimo | anyone know how to configure the trackpad on ibooks running debian? I want to disable that double tap == click thing |
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| 22:34.18 | SimonRaven | TTimo: trackpad command |
| 22:35.05 | TTimo | ... ? |
| 22:35.12 | TTimo | is that a program? |
| 22:37.05 | TTimo | ah yeah, in the powerpc-utils module |
| 22:38.04 | SimonRaven | :) |
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