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| 06:21.38 | ashutosh | Hi everyone |
| 06:21.49 | ashutosh | Anybody into PPC |
| 06:22.40 | SimonRaven | you do mean powerpc right? if this is pocketpc you're in the wrong place |
| 06:22.57 | ashutosh | Of course PowerpC :) |
| 06:23.34 | SimonRaven | had someone come in here the other day, thought ppc meant pocketpc... |
| 06:23.54 | ashutosh | He he |
| 06:24.38 | SimonRaven | /exec/ -o ls ~/build/kernel/linux-2.6.13/include/linux/byteorder/ |
| 06:24.42 | SimonRaven | big_endian.h |
| 06:24.42 | SimonRaven | generic.h |
| 06:24.42 | SimonRaven | little_endian.h |
| 06:24.42 | SimonRaven | pdp_endian.h |
| 06:24.42 | SimonRaven | swab.h |
| 06:24.44 | SimonRaven | swabb.h |
| 06:24.51 | ashutosh | U cant argue SimonRaven that x86 is the most tested architecture |
| 06:24.55 | SimonRaven | oops, didn't think it would that. sorry |
| 06:25.31 | SimonRaven | most used doesn't mean best ;) |
| 06:25.46 | ashutosh | Ya.. Powerpc rocks man |
| 06:25.50 | ashutosh | Its so much more faster |
| 06:27.47 | ashutosh | How does Linux on x86 differ from Linux on Powerpc |
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| 06:29.17 | SimonRaven | superficially it's almost the same, except for booting, and stuff. look lower down, and you see differences, but most folks won't notice, except maybe for things like zippiness, etc. |
| 06:31.05 | ashutosh | Okay.. |
| 06:31.22 | ashutosh | So does linux use all the features of Ppc ? |
| 06:31.35 | ashutosh | I heard that xscale has some cache issues |
| 06:33.07 | SimonRaven | tries to. there's a lot of sub-arches, i can't keep track of everything, not my specialty =). you probably want the folks in #mklinux (the kernel hackers live there) |
| 06:33.24 | SimonRaven | i did hear something about that, not sure what's up |
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| 06:39.13 | linux_inside_v2 | hey guys |
| 06:40.16 | ashutosh | Hi linux_inside_v2 |
| 06:44.07 | linux_inside_v2 | im gonna ask a stupid question, ive ony just gotten into the mac |
| 06:44.54 | linux_inside_v2 | when i make zImage i have a few to choose from |
| 06:45.04 | linux_inside_v2 | which one do i want? zImage.bin? |
| 06:45.25 | linux_inside_v2 | vmlinux.bin i mean |
| 06:46.44 | ashutosh | choose zImage |
| 06:48.00 | linux_inside_v2 | ok with zimage there is zImage.bugboot zImage.chrp zImage.chrp-rs6k zImage.pmac zImage.prep |
| 06:51.20 | SimonRaven | no, you take the one at the top of the tree. |
| 06:51.32 | SimonRaven | even better, use kernel-package |
| 06:51.36 | SimonRaven | @kp |
| 06:51.51 | SimonRaven | where's the bot... |
| 06:51.53 | ashutosh | It will be in arch/ppc/boot |
| 06:52.02 | SimonRaven | no, you don't use that one |
| 06:52.13 | ashutosh | Why not, SimonRaven |
| 06:52.39 | SimonRaven | you just don't unless you want a broken unfinished image |
| 06:54.15 | linux_inside_v2 | ok the last message i get from make zImage is kernel: zImage is ready (arch/ppc/boot/images/vmlinux.coff) |
| 06:54.31 | linux_inside_v2 | i'll pull my laptop out |
| 06:54.44 | SimonRaven | do ls <kernel source dir> you'll see a vmlinux there. use that |
| 06:54.51 | linux_inside_v2 | ls |
| 06:54.53 | linux_inside_v2 | right |
| 06:55.01 | linux_inside_v2 | haha oh right |
| 06:55.06 | linux_inside_v2 | i feel dumb |
| 06:55.26 | linux_inside_v2 | cos on my x86'es it is put under /arch/i386/boot |
| 06:55.55 | SimonRaven | funny, i always use the vmlinux one... |
| 06:56.06 | linux_inside_v2 | i use bzImage on my athlon |
| 06:57.02 | linux_inside_v2 | so it ends up as arch/i386/boot/bzImage |
| 06:57.03 | SimonRaven | oh, actually, that's right, you have to compress it... |
| 06:57.31 | linux_inside_v2 | im loving the mac :) |
| 06:59.24 | linux_inside_v2 | thanks for the help |
| 06:59.50 | SimonRaven | np. btw, quik can read gzipped images too |
| 07:00.03 | linux_inside_v2 | im using yaboot |
| 07:03.45 | SimonRaven | yaboot, not yet. those 2.6 kernels are getting pretty fat... |
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| 07:04.21 | linux_inside_v2 | you suggest replacing it with quik then i presume? |
| 07:04.34 | linux_inside_v2 | sounds like a good idea if it can take gzipped kernels |
| 07:04.55 | SimonRaven | no, you can't. i didn't say that anyway, i'm just FYIing ;) |
| 07:05.12 | linux_inside_v2 | or is quik for old world macs? |
| 07:05.21 | SimonRaven | it is |
| 07:05.26 | linux_inside_v2 | ahh touche! |
| 07:05.47 | SimonRaven | that's not oldworld |
| 07:06.09 | linux_inside_v2 | old world being the older powerpcs? |
| 07:06.11 | SimonRaven | @kp |
| 07:06.12 | ravenbird | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' |
| 07:06.16 | SimonRaven | @oldworld |
| 07:06.16 | ravenbird | rumour has it, oldworld is the term used to describe Apple PowerMacs that use a hardware MacOS ROM. They must use quik to boot, not yaboot/ybin. |
| 07:06.26 | linux_inside_v2 | ahh k |
| 07:06.33 | SimonRaven | oldworld is first gen. pci ppc macs |
| 07:06.39 | linux_inside_v2 | there is much i have to learn |
| 07:07.15 | SimonRaven | there is much we all have to learn |
| 07:07.18 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 07:07.30 | linux_inside_v2 | this is good |
| 07:07.34 | linux_inside_v2 | im bored with x86 |
| 07:08.04 | SimonRaven | i'm typing from a p3, and i much prefer ppc as desktop or server |
| 07:08.31 | SimonRaven | GHz don't matter much if the cpu is inefficient |
| 07:08.39 | linux_inside_v2 | yeah im typing from an athlon 64, i am a gamer when im not playing with linux |
| 07:09.18 | linux_inside_v2 | my g4 has way more in bogomips compared to my p3 850 laptop clock-for-clock |
| 07:09.32 | linux_inside_v2 | my g4 is 1ghz |
| 07:09.45 | SimonRaven | well, bogomips are just that, bogus. i usually go by what the thing can do under load |
| 07:09.56 | SimonRaven | high load |
| 07:09.59 | linux_inside_v2 | oh ok |
| 07:10.04 | linux_inside_v2 | need something that can test that then |
| 07:10.13 | SimonRaven | like 3+, the higher the better |
| 07:10.40 | SimonRaven | i've seen a ppc handle shit at 100+... slow, but it still ran |
| 07:10.45 | linux_inside_v2 | any good cross-platform benchmarks you can reccomend? |
| 07:10.54 | linux_inside_v2 | recommend* |
| 07:10.55 | SimonRaven | no such thing. |
| 07:11.05 | linux_inside_v2 | then i shall devise one |
| 07:11.15 | linux_inside_v2 | and write it in ansi c |
| 07:11.26 | SimonRaven | the only thing you can do is within the arch itself. it's like comparing apples to oranges (pardon the pun) |
| 07:11.36 | linux_inside_v2 | lol |
| 07:11.44 | SimonRaven | you wouldn't the first one ;) |
| 07:12.00 | linux_inside_v2 | if one could write a program to perform various calculations and then provide a score |
| 07:12.19 | linux_inside_v2 | but make it compatible with other architectures |
| 07:12.34 | SimonRaven | it'd be very difficult i think |
| 07:12.42 | linux_inside_v2 | probably |
| 07:12.52 | linux_inside_v2 | but it would show the strengths and weaknesses of each architectuer |
| 07:12.57 | linux_inside_v2 | architecture* |
| 07:13.22 | SimonRaven | oh, hmm |
| 07:13.28 | SimonRaven | @listvals x86 |
| 07:13.32 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'x86' by value (15 of 42): bzimage ;; cli ;; debian ports ;; edonkey ;; emulator ;; gentoo ;; libc-2.3.1-6 ;; mosix ;; mtrr ;; newos ;; q3a ;; reactos ;; start an arch war ;; start an architecture war ;; vmware. |
| 07:13.40 | SimonRaven | @listkeys x86 |
| 07:13.42 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'x86' by key (4): plex86 ;; x86 ;; ppc-x86 ;; x86 asm. |
| 07:13.47 | SimonRaven | @ppc-x86 |
| 07:13.48 | ravenbird | rumour has it, ppc-x86 is there's a nice comparision of PPC and x86 CPUs at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997 |
| 07:14.02 | linux_inside_v2 | ircbot for teh win! |
| 07:14.18 | SimonRaven | blootbot, they fricking rock |
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| 07:28.17 | piem | mmh. i've asked the osx cd to do netboot. now i can't boot on the cd anymore. pressing T works, pressing C doens't. |
| 07:28.38 | piem | what are the magic words to boot the osx cd from OF? |
| 07:31.25 | SimonRaven | boot cd |
| 07:32.19 | SimonRaven | you can see devaliases with devaliases. that shows various boot and other devices aliased to some names |
| 07:32.30 | linux_inside_v2 | http://www.firmworks.com/QuickRef.html |
| 07:34.01 | piem | mmh. boot cd load-size=0 adler32=1 \n \n LOAD-SIZE is too small \n ok |
| 07:34.31 | piem | devalias is handy indeed |
| 07:34.57 | piem | does that mean either the cd or the cdrom bay is screwed ? |
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| 07:40.17 | SimonRaven | er, yeh, devalias. did it insert the load-size and adler32 stuff, or you did? |
| 07:41.18 | SimonRaven | try without that |
| 07:41.36 | piem | no, of printed these |
| 07:42.27 | piem | i wouldn't be too surprised if the bay is somehow screwed. |
| 07:43.08 | piem | i just got the ibook back from repair, where i sent it because the hard drive was failing |
| 07:44.02 | piem | the hard drive did not fail anymore so far. they couldn't reproduce my problem. |
| 07:44.32 | piem | but i noted the kernel now complains more about hdc |
| 07:45.09 | linux_inside_v2 | hdc is your cdrom |
| 07:45.15 | piem | arg. on the other hand, boot hd gives me exactly the same result |
| 07:45.30 | piem | linux_inside_v2: i know. which makes me thinks it's dying |
| 07:45.35 | linux_inside_v2 | oh ok |
| 07:46.20 | linux_inside_v2 | what happens when you type devalias in your openfirmware screen |
| 07:46.21 | SimonRaven | sounds like it :| |
| 07:47.05 | piem | i get a nice list of devices and such |
| 07:47.42 | linux_inside_v2 | try typing "boot (insert cdroms device id here)" |
| 07:47.53 | piem | the full ofpath ? |
| 07:47.58 | linux_inside_v2 | yeah |
| 07:49.40 | piem | same thing |
| 07:50.38 | SimonRaven | maybe it's got a loose connection... *shrug* |
| 07:51.28 | piem | but why would boot hd not work either? |
| 07:51.48 | piem | ah, because boot hd:,yaboot does |
| 07:54.54 | SimonRaven | *lightbulb* try that with the cd too... |
| 07:55.48 | piem | but there is no yaboot on the osx cd ! :-) |
| 07:57.04 | SimonRaven | duh... never mind. i was thinking debian cd |
| 08:00.37 | piem | sure. i am testing from debian with an audio cd atm. |
| 08:01.25 | piem | it's getting quite clear. i can play an audio cd, but if i try to seek in a track, gnome-cd freezes. |
| 08:02.26 | piem | the hard drive problems i had before made me think it was the controller, not the drive, because i never lost data. |
| 08:02.53 | piem | so it seems it's either a dodgy connection or a half fried ide controller |
| 08:06.41 | SimonRaven | yeh, sounds plausible |
| 08:16.02 | piem | <ot> wow. crazy. i received a spam 'get a PHD in 2 weeks'. i should really write up mine instead :-) </ot> |
| 08:18.22 | piem | in other news, i bought an asus wl-167g wifi adapter, which works like a charm with the ural driver |
| 08:20.27 | piem | it even groks suspend. and hopefully the next rt2x000 (GPL, not BSD) will work on pc and ppc. |
| 08:22.45 | piem | now it would be nice if i could find a way to bring the interface up when it's plugged in, and not think it's eth0 when i boot with it plugged ... |
| 08:23.18 | ashutosh | hi |
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| 08:44.49 | piem | hi ashutosh |
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| 08:47.03 | ashutosh | hi piem |
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| 11:17.44 | linux_inside_v2 | @sync |
| 11:17.48 | linux_inside_v2 | @kp |
| 11:17.48 | ravenbird | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' |
| 11:18.00 | linux_inside_v2 | @help |
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| 14:07.51 | piem | ide: failed opcode was: 0xec |
| 14:07.51 | piem | hdc: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 14:07.51 | piem | hdc: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand } |
| 14:08.24 | piem | that's the error i keep getting on my ibook. is anyone else seeing these? |
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| 17:53.19 | pahartik | piem: i have that too, but i think it is just informational message and nothing to worry about |
| 17:55.53 | pahartik | piem: to me it says "there is IDE DVD-ROM device that does not support power saving features like usual IDE harddisk device would" |
| 18:33.05 | piem | pahartik: i see. the thing is, i am getting more and more of these, and the cd bay sounds like a sawing machine. |
| 18:37.56 | pahartik | piem: messages i get only happen when power management changes settings... |
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| 21:27.02 | pmacuser | hello |
| 21:29.54 | pmacuser | anyone around? |
| 21:33.00 | pmacuser | Im trying to get the sound to work on my powermac g3 blue and white running sarge.I can hear sound on the kde startup but I dont get any sound in games or anything.If anyone has one of these machines and could tell me how they got alsa working I would be greatly appreciated. |
| 21:38.40 | mirak | alsa didn't worked for me |
| 21:38.43 | mirak | on this mac |
| 21:38.47 | mirak | so I used oss |
| 21:39.04 | pmacuser | ah |
| 21:39.38 | pmacuser | :D |
| 21:40.29 | pmacuser | I dunno what to do |
| 21:41.54 | pmacuser | ah well i guess im stuck with oss for now |
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| 22:44.39 | p8r___ | hi, searching for libmotif-dev on ppc, any ideas? |
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| 22:51.44 | _rene_ | use lesstif. |
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