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| 07:37.54 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.13 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | Airport Extreme driver: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ and http://tinyurl.com/8dpmt |
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| 10:47.37 | coltrane | hi |
| 10:48.17 | midg3t | hello |
| 10:50.07 | coltrane | seems wifi still doesn't work on ibook G4 since last time i searched |
| 10:50.19 | midg3t | that tinyurl link looks promising |
| 10:50.33 | coltrane | i didn't understand everything in fact |
| 10:50.40 | midg3t | if i have a few hours to kill tonight i'll look at the bcm43xx driver |
| 10:50.57 | midg3t | it'd be great to have a native driver, seems to be coming along very quickly |
| 10:51.11 | midg3t | so quickly that i'm putting off buying a usb wifi adapter |
| 10:51.41 | coltrane | great news |
| 10:51.58 | coltrane | i'm willing to buy an airport card soon |
| 10:52.27 | midg3t | when did you get your ibook? |
| 10:53.00 | coltrane | last year i think |
| 10:53.18 | coltrane | perhaps 1.5 year |
| 10:53.51 | midg3t | pahartik: there is one in very active development, see berlios uri in topic |
| 10:54.09 | midg3t | in case anyone has a post-feb2005 ibook, the touchpad driver is in 2.6.14 |
| 10:54.14 | midg3t | called 'appletouch' |
| 10:54.56 | coltrane | midg3t: in fact, i know nothing about wifi atm, i don't even know if airport card are wifi b or g |
| 10:55.06 | midg3t | ah |
| 10:55.19 | midg3t | airport == b, airport extreme/express = g |
| 10:55.39 | coltrane | and g is the best i guess |
| 10:55.46 | midg3t | well, it's faster |
| 10:56.01 | midg3t | actually i think it might do 802.11a too, but i don't know of anyone who uses it |
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| 10:56.17 | coltrane | only bandwith change? how faster is g? |
| 10:56.26 | midg3t | 54 Mbps |
| 10:56.31 | midg3t | b is 11 Mbps |
| 10:56.50 | midg3t | of course they're both subject to environmental conditions |
| 10:57.01 | midg3t | i've never owned b hardware |
| 10:57.20 | coltrane | i think i'm going to get one :) |
| 10:57.32 | midg3t | might be worth waiting until the driver works |
| 10:57.49 | coltrane | worth? why? |
| 10:59.21 | midg3t | well, so you know it will definitely work |
| 10:59.28 | midg3t | up to you, of course |
| 10:59.52 | coltrane | of course :) |
| 11:30.22 | chimaera | anyone played around with the bcm43xx module for airport extreme, yet? |
| 11:34.58 | johill | chimaera: what do you want to know? |
| 11:35.16 | ptitlouis | if it works ? |
| 11:36.50 | johill | of course it doesn't |
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| 11:55.09 | chimaera | well, the card is detected but i can't assing an essid. just wante dto ask if this is common experience.. |
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| 12:42.05 | kh7v7 | hello, glxgears freezes all video, only option is to shutdown the machine via ssh, this is a G4 sawtooth, ati R128, on debian sarge. any help is apreciated. thanks. |
| 12:42.30 | kh7v7 | blender and other accel apps crahs when launched. |
| 12:44.52 | midg3t | where does the name 'sawtooth' come from? |
| 12:45.09 | midg3t | just that i have an iBook and i'd love to know how to tell it apart from other G4 iBook models |
| 12:45.10 | kh7v7 | apple's code name |
| 12:45.20 | kh7v7 | its a 400Mhz G4 tower |
| 12:45.25 | midg3t | ah |
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| 13:45.20 | kh7v7 | hello, opengl stuff is not working and freezes all video on a G4 400 ATI Rage128. can someone please provide some help on how to config this set up? everything else works fine. its only opengl stuff. blender for example, crashes. glxgears freeze all video like i said... |
| 13:46.24 | SimonRaven | well, in my limited experience with blender, i've seen it crash due to no opengl loaded into the x server. maybe you left out some gl thing in the config |
| 13:47.34 | kh7v7 | just did ldd and all libs resolve properly |
| 13:47.40 | kh7v7 | ldd blender |
| 13:48.32 | SimonRaven | in the x server conf... XFree86Config-4/xorg.conf |
| 13:49.46 | kh7v7 | ah got you |
| 13:53.15 | kh7v7 | hmm just looked now.... "GLcore", "bitmap", "dbe", "ddc", "dri", "extmod", "freetype", "glx", "int10", "record", "speedo", "type1" and "vbe" |
| 13:53.54 | kh7v7 | see something I may be missing? |
| 13:54.00 | midg3t | run glxinfo |
| 13:54.03 | SimonRaven | ok. seems alright |
| 13:54.05 | midg3t | see if it says anything useful |
| 13:54.13 | kh7v7 | btw, thanks for your help |
| 13:54.19 | SimonRaven | yeh, try that, grep for enabled |
| 13:54.39 | kh7v7 | glxinfo k, one sec. |
| 13:55.04 | kh7v7 | is that a text dump? or doesit go gl? if it goes I need to boot another machine to reboot this one? |
| 13:55.19 | SimonRaven | text dump |
| 13:55.22 | kh7v7 | k |
| 13:57.07 | kh7v7 | dri : yes |
| 13:57.23 | kh7v7 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 13:58.49 | kh7v7 | ah also, XFree log, does not give any error but this... (EE) R128(0): No DFP detected |
| 13:59.58 | kh7v7 | and these ... Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found ( this for other 4 mods) |
| 14:00.39 | kh7v7 | what is DFP? |
| 14:01.31 | midg3t | Digital Flat Panel |
| 14:02.54 | kh7v7 | oh so then that is right. I use a vga monitor |
| 14:03.42 | SimonRaven | and the no symbols is ok too |
| 14:04.05 | kh7v7 | hmmm |
| 14:04.43 | SimonRaven | is that the only EE you get? how about ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 14:04.50 | kh7v7 | yes |
| 14:05.43 | kh7v7 | when i boot, I have to pass some video args to the kernel, else my console is about 1/10 of its size oif of the screen; to the right.... |
| 14:05.48 | kh7v7 | this for the fb |
| 14:05.51 | kh7v7 | so |
| 14:06.07 | kh7v7 | maybe these params mess up the fb settings for X? |
| 14:06.25 | SimonRaven | never seen that do it |
| 14:06.57 | SimonRaven | try installing the -dbg server, and attach gdb to the running process |
| 14:07.17 | SimonRaven | then run blender, and get a backtrace |
| 14:08.09 | kh7v7 | I googled that one, the params, aparently all ppl using this machine need to append that to boot and get video right _but_ never seen anyone posting about GL stuff using this machine. |
| 14:08.25 | kh7v7 | I think I will have to do that SimonRaven... |
| 14:08.26 | kh7v7 | ouch |
| 14:08.57 | SimonRaven | it's already built if you're running etch/sid |
| 14:09.10 | kh7v7 | nope. sarge here. |
| 14:11.35 | kh7v7 | thanks alot, I will try that. |
| 14:11.40 | kh7v7 | laters. |
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| 15:14.08 | czubin | how manny primaire partitions can u create on a ibook? more then 4 ? |
| 15:16.25 | johill | czubin: afaik the mac partition format doesn't differentiate primary and extended |
| 15:17.21 | czubin | johill: so I can? create more then 4 partitions? and they all be primaire? and no extended ?:) |
| 15:17.31 | johill | I have 9 partitions on my hd |
| 15:17.40 | czubin | johill: sounds like heaven |
| 15:17.49 | johill | and there's no primary/extended differentiation |
| 15:17.58 | czubin | :) |
| 15:19.25 | johill | have fun then ;) |
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| 15:22.31 | SimonRaven | nope, no primary/secondary shite. a real partition map |
| 15:23.05 | czubin | installing a second linux systems , that's why I wondered |
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| 15:41.01 | helix | is there anything special I need to do to get an ibook g4's mouse to work? |
| 15:42.40 | SimonRaven | @ibook g4 |
| 15:42.41 | ravenbird | ibook G4 info: Suspend to ram (aka: sleep) works with the benh patches available at http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/ . The Airport Extreme card does not work, common suggestions are a usb device such as the DWL-122 or MA111. If you're really desperate for an X config try looking at http://linux.nullcode.org/ . |
| 15:43.52 | SimonRaven | @ibook g4 is also see http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ for an AE driver. doesn't work very well yet (as of oct 21 11:43:35 EDT 2005) |
| 15:43.52 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 15:44.30 | helix | thanks |
| 15:45.38 | johill | can you make that: it doesn't work at all yet please? |
| 15:46.15 | SimonRaven | i'll show you how, and then you can do it yourself next time ;) |
| 15:46.23 | johill | even better :) |
| 15:46.45 | SimonRaven | @ibook g4 =~ s/work very well // |
| 15:46.46 | ravenbird | OK, SimonRaven |
| 15:47.04 | johill | heh |
| 15:47.15 | SimonRaven | @ibook g4 |
| 15:47.16 | ravenbird | ibook G4 info: Suspend to ram (aka: sleep) works with the benh patches available at http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/ . The Airport Extreme card does not work, common suggestions are a usb device such as the DWL-122 or MA111. If you're really desperate for an X config try looking at http://linux.nullcode.org/ . see http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ for an AE driver. ... |
| 15:47.25 | johill | too long? |
| 15:47.29 | SimonRaven | eh, gotta fix that line length thing... |
| 15:47.43 | SimonRaven | if you do tell me about foo, you see all of it |
| 15:48.21 | johill | hm ok but I don't like it being displayed like this, we got a bunch of stupid 'how do I make this work' questions on the mailing list already |
| 15:49.06 | johill | besides |
| 15:49.13 | SimonRaven | keep getting them too. folks don't read archives |
| 15:49.18 | johill | @ibook g4 =~ s/doesn't yet/doesn't work yet/ |
| 15:49.18 | ravenbird | OK, johill |
| 15:49.27 | SimonRaven | er, yeh. thanks |
| 15:49.33 | helix | hm so apparently debian doesn't/didn't support the new trackpad hw? |
| 15:49.57 | johill | helix: what's the question? |
| 15:50.06 | SimonRaven | ibook g4 mouse in x |
| 15:50.47 | johill | that usb thing works fine here, but are you saying there's no debian package for appletouch or something? |
| 15:53.47 | pahartik | has anyone managed to try that new Bluetooth 2.0+EDR hardware? |
| 15:54.01 | helix | johill: no, but I think it's only 2.4 kernels I'm talking about, so nm |
| 15:56.05 | helix | johill: and what usb thing are you talking about? |
| 15:56.15 | johill | the usb touchpad |
| 15:56.22 | johill | on the latest hardware |
| 15:57.21 | helix | ok, yes I think that's what I'm talking about |
| 15:57.29 | helix | sorry, I have no experience with ppc |
| 15:58.51 | helix | johill: how did you get it to work? (what is appletouch?) |
| 15:59.09 | johill | http://popies.net/atp/ I think |
| 15:59.23 | johill | yeah, looks right |
| 15:59.40 | johill | how we got it to work? by reverse engineering, what else, with this new apple hardware? ;) |
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| 16:00.47 | helix | johill: oh you wrote this driver? |
| 16:01.01 | johill | Q-FUNK: hey. I've been wanting to tell you for a long time that suspend/resume now works properly with the snd_powermac driver in 2.6.14-rc4 |
| 16:01.13 | johill | helix: no, Stelian Pop did. I figured out the protocol for the touchpad |
| 16:01.20 | helix | ok cool |
| 16:01.41 | johill | well, there might be some code bits left from me in this driver |
| 16:02.01 | Q-FUNK | johill: ah |
| 16:02.25 | SimonRaven | been out of touch with mac stuff last while, have my head in deep into openldap |
| 16:03.17 | Q-FUNK | -rc5 is out |
| 16:03.36 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 16:03.41 | johill | haven't had a chance to try it yet |
| 16:03.44 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 16:03.47 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13.4, prepatch: 2.6.14-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.14-rc5-git1, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc4-mm1 |
| 16:04.31 | johill | I'm currently having some xfs issue with suspend, it doesn't freeze properly sometimes |
| 16:05.05 | Bor_Ed_ | buggr, need to compile again :) |
| 16:05.16 | johill | hm |
| 16:05.23 | johill | might be that nofreeze inherit thing |
| 16:05.43 | johill | looks quite likely |
| 16:05.51 | johill | good thing I did read the changelog of -rc5 ;) |
| 16:06.15 | helix | johill: this isn't building |
| 16:06.37 | helix | johill: does it require a certain kernel version? the makefile implies that it doesn't, but it won't build |
| 16:06.44 | johill | helix: well, dunno then. what's your kernel, did you compile it yourself, ... (does ravenbird have a list of these?) |
| 16:06.52 | helix | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 16:06.58 | helix | default sarge 2.6 kernel |
| 16:07.29 | johill | well. for one, you will need to install the right kernel-build- package |
| 16:07.56 | johill | and then I don't even know if 2.6.8 is supported. the usb api keeps changing |
| 16:08.08 | helix | er, so do I need to use 2.4? |
| 16:08.13 | johill | noo |
| 16:08.19 | helix | which kernel works then? |
| 16:08.25 | johill | most likely at 2.6.12+ or something |
| 16:08.54 | johill | but I don't know. try with the correct kernel-build- package installed first |
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| 16:28.22 | helix | johill: well, there's no build package for .12 in etch |
| 17:19.49 | helix | johill: ok I got it working, thanks a lot :) |
| 17:21.25 | johill | k good. sorry, was out |
| 17:22.32 | SimonRaven | helix: woohoo. hi, BTW. doing well lately? |
| 17:24.00 | helix | SimonRaven: yes sir :) |
| 17:24.09 | SimonRaven | cool, good to hear |
| 17:24.15 | helix | SimonRaven: you? |
| 17:24.46 | SimonRaven | yeh, busy as ever. life treating me with both good and bad (mostly good lately) |
| 17:24.55 | helix | indeed |
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| 17:37.46 | [11aa] | Hello to all - i am trying to get debian into a mac 5400/200 whats the keyboard combination to make it boot a floppy or CD (it only boots OS 9.1 but i know it reads floppies and cds) |
| 17:38.22 | Bor_Ed | cd isn't bootable... use woody boot floppies to install base distro and dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 17:38.50 | [11aa] | ok |
| 17:40.02 | [11aa] | i downloaded the boot img and root.img but it doenst boot from floppy it goes straight into os9.1 |
| 17:40.33 | Bor_Ed | boot-hfs.img is the boot floppy and root.bin is the rootfs |
| 17:42.49 | [11aa] | all right ill get on that ... thanks Bor_Ed |
| 17:43.05 | Bor_Ed | have fun |
| 17:43.49 | [11aa] | I have tried debian on a celeron 128mb and it VERY MUCHO GOOD |
| 17:44.09 | Bor_Ed | deb is ok if you put some time to tweak it |
| 17:44.31 | [11aa] | first time i've seen something different from a ix86 here this part of the world |
| 17:45.38 | [11aa] | and i have 2 of them...:-) and they work fine |
| 18:08.45 | [11aa] | where did they stored the woody distribution |
| 18:16.27 | [11aa] | i found them theres no page that points to them so you have to dive a bit but they will be found |
| 18:16.34 | [11aa] | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.0r6/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/ |
| 18:23.34 | Bor_Ed | those disks will do |
| 18:23.51 | [11aa] | ok i got them |
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| 18:24.07 | [11aa] | and now the test ill tell you about it |
| 18:24.33 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 18:36.53 | [11aa] | Sr ... Bor_Ed..9 ...(a question) : the root.bin has to de saved as image, right? |
| 18:37.09 | [11aa] | be |
| 18:37.12 | Bor_Ed | with dd... |
| 18:37.36 | [11aa] | ok .... |
| 18:39.08 | SimonRaven | dd if=imagefile of=/dev/fd0 [optional bs=count sync=iconv stuff here] |
| 18:39.51 | SimonRaven | if == infile, of == outfile, bs == block size sync == don't remember, man dd |
| 18:40.15 | Bor_Ed | dd if=root.bin of=/dev/fd0 does the trick |
| 18:40.41 | SimonRaven | usually :) |
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| 19:05.20 | mirak | when I duplicate a system, should I also copy /dev ? |
| 19:05.29 | mirak | or is it recreated at boot time ? |
| 19:11.47 | Bor_Ed | I'd place my bet on creation on boot if you use some device daemon |
| 19:13.36 | SimonRaven | don't cp /dev, regardless |
| 19:14.21 | mirak | does yaboot support reiserfs4 ? |
| 19:17.51 | SimonRaven | forgetabout reiserfs4, it's even more unstable than 3 |
| 19:17.58 | mirak | ah |
| 19:18.17 | mirak | I don't have problem with reiserfs on x86 |
| 19:18.21 | mirak | don't know for ppc |
| 19:18.27 | mirak | is there a particular issue ? |
| 19:18.48 | SimonRaven | jfs or ext3 do small files pretty well, if you need better directory handling for ext3, use the hash_index (or dir_index) option for ext3 |
| 19:19.16 | mirak | jfs I never tried that one |
| 19:19.20 | SimonRaven | yeh, you,'ll have no problems, then suddently eveything dies in a horrible death of data loss |
| 19:19.26 | mirak | lol |
| 19:19.30 | SimonRaven | pardon my typos |
| 19:19.43 | mirak | I use reiserfs on x86 for two years I never had a problem |
| 19:20.16 | SimonRaven | well, use what you want, but that's what i'd recommend |
| 19:20.55 | Bor_Ed | ext3 has always worked for me |
| 19:22.30 | mirak | Bor_Ed: me too but I think / deserve better |
| 19:22.33 | mirak | :D |
| 19:22.53 | SimonRaven | i use jfs, xfs, ext3, ext2 (not in that order) |
| 19:22.55 | mirak | I use ext3 on my home since that's the only fs to have drivers on other fs |
| 19:23.16 | mirak | I use xfs currently but there is problems with initrd and yaboot |
| 19:23.20 | SimonRaven | i think i have only 2 ext3 partitions between 3 linux machines |
| 19:23.38 | mirak | I will google a bit on jfs to see what it is about |
| 19:23.39 | SimonRaven | er, ext2 |
| 19:24.03 | SimonRaven | started off in AIX IIRC, then got ported open source to linux |
| 19:24.14 | SimonRaven | (GPLed) |
| 19:24.39 | Bor_Ed | jfs comes from aix |
| 19:24.44 | Bor_Ed | and from os/2 |
| 19:25.00 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 19:31.42 | mirak | do you use LVM ? |
| 19:32.23 | SimonRaven | no. tried it, but had weird issues with raid 1 disks |
| 19:34.00 | mirak | cramfs would work ? |
| 19:34.03 | mirak | ok I am kidding |
| 19:34.13 | SimonRaven | o_O ;p |
| 19:34.44 | mirak | The specified device is not a mounted JFS file system. |
| 19:34.45 | mirak | ? |
| 19:34.54 | mirak | what ? I tried mkfs.jfs /dev/hdc4 |
| 19:35.14 | mirak | ok myfault |
| 19:35.25 | mirak | it was mounted already ;D |
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| 20:00.26 | mirak | is it still scuicidal to use hfsplus read write ? |
| 20:01.08 | Bor_Ed | well it's been out from experimental on kernels since 2.6.9 so I wouldn't think so |
| 20:02.24 | SimonRaven | the utils just got an update in sid so that should help too |
| 20:02.43 | mirak | ok |
| 20:03.04 | mirak | I would use hfsplus for my home to share with OS X |
| 20:04.35 | Bor_Ed | just do /warez you'd share... if you do that with ~ , you'll have to have same uid and same user # and whatnot |
| 20:05.24 | mirak | I dit it alrady but with ext3 |
| 20:05.32 | mirak | there was a OS X ext3 driver |
| 20:05.58 | mirak | I tweaked a bit with symbolic links to not have all the config files messing up |
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| 20:53.16 | karim | SimonRaven I guess you forgot to say that yaboot can't boot a kernel on JFS = |
| 20:53.28 | karim | :-/ |
| 20:55.24 | Q-FUNK | jfs and xfs are weird. |
| 20:55.40 | Q-FUNK | they mess up a lot of things on a lot of architectures. |
| 20:56.32 | karim | well xfs it bootable at least |
| 20:56.43 | karim | so I need to know if reiserfs is bootable |
| 20:56.45 | karim | i guess yes |
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