| 00:01.05 | Grackle` | Why not? It's easier (or so I thought) than dl'ing a cdrom. Besides, this box has room for two ide devices. I want two HDs. I can swap stuff around to do it via cd, but this seemed like a more elegant solution... |
| 00:03.16 | SimonRaven | floppy-2.4 or whatever |
| 00:03.26 | SimonRaven | bof, whatever |
| 00:03.37 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 00:10.56 | Grackle` | oops |
| 00:11.27 | SimonRaven | yeh netsplit |
| 00:11.30 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 00:11.56 | SimonRaven | oh crap, the cogent BS again *sigh* |
| 00:12.10 | Grackle` | ? |
| 00:12.45 | SimonRaven | level3 and cogent are having a routing war... disrupting internet traffic in the u.s. |
| 00:13.11 | Grackle` | oh that |
| 00:13.14 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 00:13.38 | SimonRaven | lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're experiencing problems with cogent transit and we're rearranging the servers to compensate. Apologies for the inconvenience. ## WALLOP Md: oops! one of our servers is missing. beware of Cogent hosting |
| 00:13.57 | Grackle` | Oh. Whee. |
| 00:14.15 | Grackle` | Starting up partitioner. |
| 00:14.29 | SimonRaven | oh, you didn't have to do that |
| 00:14.39 | Grackle` | Okay, so how do I mount something now? |
| 00:15.06 | Grackle` | Well in order to get to a point where I have the tools to access the disk, I had to get that far. |
| 00:15.23 | Grackle` | It detects hardware and immediately starts partman. |
| 00:15.32 | SimonRaven | go to VT2, and mount the partition, you can <tab> your devices |
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| 00:15.39 | SimonRaven | oh, i see |
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| 00:16.39 | Grackle` | I can do what now? :-/ |
| 00:17.08 | SimonRaven | mkdir /target |
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| 00:18.36 | SimonRaven | mount /dev/(ide or something, i don't remember devfs crap named anymore)/(eventually you'll hit)/partXX (XX == partition number you have / on) |
| 00:18.54 | SimonRaven | oh shit |
| 00:19.07 | SimonRaven | add /target to the end of that |
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| 00:19.41 | Grackle` | Oh, I tried that. It says it can't find it in fstab. |
| 00:20.02 | Grackle` | Tried mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 |
| 00:20.07 | SimonRaven | right now, fuck fstab |
| 00:20.17 | SimonRaven | ok, lemme start over.. |
| 00:20.20 | Grackle` | ok |
| 00:20.33 | SimonRaven | mount -t fstype /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /target |
| 00:20.36 | Grackle` | Oh, and ty for helping me... |
| 00:20.42 | SimonRaven | np |
| 00:21.17 | SimonRaven | /target is left over from woody days doing this kind of thing =) |
| 00:21.28 | Grackle` | Woot, it works. :-) |
| 00:21.56 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 00:21.59 | Grackle` | Now what was I doing? |
| 00:22.12 | SimonRaven | checking out /dev |
| 00:22.24 | SimonRaven | no, checking out /etc/inittab |
| 00:23.07 | SimonRaven | brb |
| 00:23.29 | Grackle` | Okay, I shell type it... |
| 00:30.41 | paster | "Grackle" at 66.63.85.222 pasted "/etc/inittab" (28 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/995 |
| 00:30.52 | Grackle` | Okay SimonRaven |
| 00:31.05 | Grackle` | brbias, bathroom |
| 00:32.46 | SimonRaven | 1:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/termwrap /usr/sbin/base-config new </dev/tty1 >/dev/tt$ |
| 00:32.58 | SimonRaven | problem |
| 00:33.30 | Grackle` | back |
| 00:33.39 | Grackle` | Fixable problem? |
| 00:34.33 | SimonRaven | ask in #debian-boot - /me has NFC |
| 00:34.46 | SimonRaven | @nfc |
| 00:34.47 | ravenbird | [nfc] No Fucking Clue |
| 00:34.56 | Grackle` | haha ok |
| 00:37.21 | Grackle` | Hi, I get the error "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast, suspending for 5 minutes" when I boot. sarge kernel 2.4 after a net install. I was told that the problem is the line "1:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/termwrap /usr/sbin/base-config new </dev/tty1 >/dev/tt$" in my inittab. http://channels.debian.net/paste/995 |
| 00:37.26 | Grackle` | bah |
| 00:37.36 | Grackle` | wrong window :P |
| 00:37.55 | Grackle` | hmm |
| 00:42.17 | Grackle` | Heh SimonRven, I commented that line and it's booting now. :P |
| 00:42.27 | Grackle` | oh gah |
| 00:42.31 | Grackle` | Lots of segfaults. |
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| 03:31.53 | SimonRaven | Grackle`: you need to run base-config like that line says |
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| 04:22.09 | topher | i have a newworld mac (i think, it's a colored g4 tower) and i burnt the latest stable iso of debian ppc but my mac wont boot to it. i hold down C and it just does that blinking question mark thing. also, mac os doesnt show a cd in there, but the cd reads fine in winxp. anybody know how i can fix this? |
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| 05:40.56 | Coweater | how do i select the internal crt for xorg? |
| 05:46.16 | topher | yes! debian ppc booting finally |
| 05:46.23 | topher | my stupid burner was burning cds my mac couldnt read |
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| 06:10.57 | Coweater | i'm lost, i can't figure out how to force xorg to display on the internal crt for my imacdv, i've tried doing a config for dual monitor setup and i just get nothing on the internal one |
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| 07:46.52 | ukh | on power3 and power4, what does 'uname -m' return? ppc? |
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| 11:14.35 | root | hola |
| 11:14.59 | root | i have got a big problem |
| 11:15.18 | root | i cannot boot debian |
| 11:15.34 | root | i do: |
| 11:15.48 | root | pmac-fdisk /dev/hda |
| 11:16.20 | root | and he said that there was a problem |
| 11:16.33 | root | and press w to solve it |
| 11:16.38 | root | i did it |
| 11:16.52 | root | and now i cannot boot debian |
| 11:16.55 | root | please help me |
| 11:19.36 | root | and don't call me why i pressed w |
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| 11:26.26 | nohero | hola |
| 11:26.33 | nohero | i was root |
| 11:26.36 | nohero | :D |
| 11:31.30 | nohero | there is noone? |
| 11:33.05 | lixus | nohero, are you using yaboot ? |
| 11:33.14 | nohero | yes |
| 11:33.43 | nohero | lixus: but debian boots, but cannot mount /root |
| 11:35.01 | lixus | you perhaps have to add something like "root=/dev/hda1" as a kernel parameter |
| 11:35.10 | lixus | are you using initrd ? |
| 11:35.37 | nohero | lixus: no |
| 11:35.52 | nohero | root is /dev/hda4 |
| 11:36.08 | nohero | and i have that parameter |
| 11:36.34 | nohero | but after a mac-fdisk, it cannot boot |
| 11:37.01 | nohero | i did mac-fdisk /dev/hda |
| 11:37.08 | lixus | one solution would be boot from a cdrom, mount your root partition e.g. to /mnt/root, cd /mnt/root, chroot /mnt/root, and correct your /etc/yaboot.conf |
| 11:37.32 | nohero | and it said that there was a problem with a partition |
| 11:37.50 | nohero | and it said to press w to solve it |
| 11:37.54 | nohero | i did |
| 11:38.20 | nohero | at the next boot /root dosn't mount |
| 11:38.52 | nohero | lixus: i think that yaboot isn't the problem |
| 11:40.51 | nohero | lixus: or i have to try anyway? |
| 11:41.01 | lixus | hm, anyway, i suggest to boot from a cdrom and then try to mount your harddrive partitions to see what went wrong |
| 11:41.25 | lixus | and can't be wrong to run "ybin -v" |
| 11:41.43 | nohero | lixus: now i'm with a gentoo minimal live |
| 11:41.53 | nohero | and i haven't /dev/hda* |
| 11:42.10 | nohero | how i can create they? |
| 11:42.25 | lixus | does dmesg mention hda ? or your ide disk at all ? |
| 11:43.01 | SimonRaven | nohero: cd /dev; MAKEDEV powerpc-generic or hd |
| 11:43.03 | lixus | i can't tell you. things got complicated since udevfs and devfs |
| 11:43.24 | lixus | that is what i would suggest also |
| 11:43.47 | SimonRaven | udev |
| 11:49.21 | nohero | lixus: i am using initrd for gensplash |
| 11:49.52 | nohero | i can boot 2 kernels: one with gensplash and one without |
| 11:50.37 | nohero | SimonRaven: don't know how to make device "powerpc-generic" |
| 11:50.41 | nohero | SimonRaven: don't know how to make device "hd" |
| 11:51.42 | nohero | i'm going to reboot |
| 11:52.11 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 11:59.32 | SimonRaven | why do people think a reboot is going to fix things? |
| 12:00.10 | xwl | oh, windoze loves that. |
| 12:01.56 | SimonRaven | you read my mind. os x is not as bad for that, but still requires a reboot whn installing things |
| 12:08.19 | lixus | rebooting gives you a defined state if you got lost |
| 12:09.39 | SimonRaven | true, but it doesn't fix things though. |
| 12:10.09 | SimonRaven | not in the way most people have been trained |
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| 12:19.16 | risc- | anyone here tried to install linuxppc on an firewire/usb-hdd yet? |
| 12:23.36 | lixus | no, but i remember that there was an dicussion in the ubuntu forum recently about it |
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| 13:42.33 | Bor_Ed | "IBM sells the Blue Gene machines for about $2 million per 1,024-processor rack, but it also rents access to Blue Gene and other supercomputers for those who don't want to buy a full machine." |
| 13:42.47 | Bor_Ed | hmm, anyone have $2M to drop for me for a new box? :D |
| 13:47.43 | xwl | Hi, anybody ever built an arm cross-compiler on linuxppc? It's |
| 13:47.44 | xwl | drove me crazy... |
| 13:48.17 | Bor_Ed | naa, I've just built other archs |
| 13:49.09 | xwl | could you show me some proper steps... |
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| 13:50.33 | johill | has anyone ever worked with Apple80211? |
| 13:50.53 | Bor_Ed | unpack the package, cd to the source dir, ./configure --target=whatever , dh_make debian/rules binary , install the .deb |
| 13:51.12 | Bor_Ed | could've forgotten some step(s) but the make system should inform of such |
| 13:52.26 | xwl | Bor_Ed: while, should install gcc, glibc, binutils...right? kind of |
| 13:52.26 | xwl | complicated .. |
| 13:53.12 | Bor_Ed | binutils, gcc and glibc... that's all that's needed... though arm might be happier with uclibc than glibc |
| 13:55.38 | xwl | so just install them one by one? i'm fear of some version |
| 13:55.38 | xwl | dependencies.. Currently i've tried to use a handy script written by |
| 13:55.38 | xwl | some guy, and the script is n't that handy, causes various |
| 13:55.38 | xwl | errors(including some internel compiler error, god..) each time.. |
| 13:58.21 | Bor_Ed | you could use dpkg-cross tool too, available on apt |
| 14:00.41 | xwl | i don't quite understand what it could do... just install it, i get |
| 14:00.41 | xwl | everything? :-) |
| 14:00.54 | Bor_Ed | everything |
| 14:01.23 | xwl | wow, seems charming.. i'll try it. Thanks! |
| 14:01.38 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 14:01.59 | Bor_Ed | I couldn't use that since the arch I used to test wasn't anymore supported on gnu toolchain |
| 14:03.00 | xwl | pity..should be a rare or vanishing arch...hehe. |
| 14:04.49 | Bor_Ed | wdc65c816 ... |
| 14:05.26 | xwl | out of my mind.. |
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| 14:27.58 | arnaud | hello |
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| 15:21.22 | Bor_Ed | evening |
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| 16:25.06 | root_ | a beer for who helps me |
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| 16:26.11 | nohero | a beer for who helps me |
| 16:26.34 | nohero | at boot time i have this message: |
| 16:26.46 | Bor_Ed | I just got a new one open... wait couple of mins |
| 16:27.30 | nohero | cannot open root device hda4 or unknow-block(3,4) |
| 16:27.46 | Bor_Ed | after kernel upgrade? |
| 16:27.50 | nohero | please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 16:27.53 | nohero | kernel panic |
| 16:27.56 | nohero | no |
| 16:28.06 | nohero | it's a long story |
| 16:28.16 | nohero | a did mac-fdisk |
| 16:28.46 | nohero | i didn't nothing, but it said an error message |
| 16:28.56 | nohero | press w to correct |
| 16:29.04 | nohero | i press w (dho!) |
| 16:29.08 | nohero | and quit |
| 16:29.13 | nohero | nothing else |
| 16:29.34 | nohero | after a reboot debian didn't start |
| 16:30.03 | xwl | what were u trying to do with mac-fdisk? |
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| 16:31.24 | nohero | xwl: fdisk doesn't see the mac partitions table |
| 16:31.52 | nohero | i ask me if mac-fdisk did it |
| 16:32.18 | nohero | xwl: i'm a stupid, i know |
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| 16:32.32 | nohero | :'( |
| 16:33.15 | xwl | nohero: it's too dangerous... |
| 16:33.42 | xwl | w is write partition table.. |
| 16:33.53 | nohero | yes, i know |
| 16:34.24 | xwl | i guess you might have damaged your system... |
| 16:34.32 | Bor_Ed | well, at least it wasn't 'i' before the 'w' |
| 16:35.07 | nohero | but with mac-fdisk i can see all the partitions |
| 16:35.18 | nohero | i cannot recover them? |
| 16:36.40 | xwl | fdisk is a soft link to mac-fdisk...i think. |
| 16:36.41 | nohero | with gentoo live i haven't /dev/hda* so i cannot mount them |
| 16:38.49 | pahartik | nohero: how about "/dev/ide/host?/bus?/target?/lun?/*" |
| 16:40.29 | xwl | by spending so much time repairing, i'd rather reinstall |
| 16:40.33 | xwl | it. Reinstalling debian is quick and easy. Wow, crazy "apt-get **". |
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| 16:41.00 | nohero | pahartik: i have /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disk |
| 16:41.15 | nohero | it is a link to /dev/hda |
| 16:41.37 | pahartik | nohero: kernel did not see any partitions then |
| 16:41.37 | arnaud | hello |
| 16:42.18 | nohero | pahartik: but mac-fdisk yes |
| 16:42.42 | arnaud | i've got an ibook g3, and i'd like to use only the external video out, and not the lcd panel... do you know a hack in the openfirmware to do this ? |
| 16:43.02 | pahartik | nohero: kernel probably does not have support for partition information written to that harddisk |
| 16:43.32 | nohero | pahartik: do you think i can save my data? |
| 16:44.25 | pahartik | nohero: probably, if nothing was written over filesystems |
| 16:45.14 | nohero | yes, nothing. i think the only thing i break is the partition table |
| 16:45.47 | nohero | i hope |
| 16:46.47 | pahartik | nohero: i would recommend using something like Ubuntu PowerPC live-CD... |
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| 16:57.45 | Coutal | anyone here running debian on an oldworld powermac? |
| 16:57.57 | Bor_Ed | _o/ |
| 16:58.30 | Coutal | i've upgraded my kernel recently, and suddenly my framebuffer display is all messy. i wanted to know if other people experience the same thing |
| 16:59.38 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.13.3 does have the same effect here... haven't digged too deeply if it's misconfigured kernel or some bug |
| 16:59.45 | Q-FUNK | framebuffer developers indeed are messy people. |
| 16:59.51 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: what machine do you have? |
| 17:00.01 | Q-FUNK | 2.6.14 released, btw |
| 17:00.02 | Bor_Ed | the one with probs is beige g3 |
| 17:00.22 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: i have a powermac 5500. but it uses the same ati chip, iirc. |
| 17:00.28 | Coutal | so that's the one indeed |
| 17:00.31 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: haven't had free time to conf the kernel yet for .14 :) |
| 17:00.38 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: mach64... yea |
| 17:01.28 | Coutal | do you know if anyone is working on fixing it perhaps? or at least the last 2.6 revision it was okay in, so maybe i'll have a look |
| 17:01.58 | Bor_Ed | havne't even paid much attention to the prob... I'll compile 2.6.14 this weekend and check with it |
| 17:02.37 | Coutal | i'm very much annoyed by it because i don't run X on my machine and work mostly with the console (maybe it's time to move to ssh) |
| 17:03.39 | Coutal | so lets say i want to start working my way through the code in an attempt to fix it. the thing is, what broken setting could cause such an effect? (3 visible distortion bands on the middle of the display) |
| 17:03.41 | pahartik | Coutal: my PowerMacintosh 5500/225 is running Linux 2.6.8... |
| 17:04.04 | Coutal | pahartik: and is it okay with the display? |
| 17:04.29 | Coutal | btw, i've seen you had some troubles with the commslot II card. i found a patch for it and it works for me |
| 17:05.23 | pahartik | Coutal: yes... no display problems and it has been up and running for 97 days |
| 17:05.48 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: /topic 2.6.14 released :) |
| 17:05.55 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 17:05.58 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o SimonRaven] by ChanServ |
| 17:06.09 | *** topic/#DebianPPC by SimonRaven -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | current release: 2.6.14 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | Airport Extreme driver: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ and http://tinyurl.com/8dpmt |
| 17:06.14 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [-o SimonRaven] by SimonRaven |
| 17:07.23 | pahartik | Coutal: URL to patch? |
| 17:07.52 | Coutal | sec, it was a while ago |
| 17:08.10 | pahartik | Coutal: i have been using "3Com 3c595 100BaseTX [Vortex]" on PCI slot instead... |
| 17:09.26 | Coutal | lol |
| 17:09.31 | Coutal | it's the exact same card i put in the machine! |
| 17:10.16 | Coutal | http://www.rapierbit.org/linux/de4x5.html - it's not an exact patch, but it's trivial to apply. it mentions the patch being integrated into the kernel, but i checked current kernels and it's not there. |
| 17:11.29 | pahartik | Coutal: thank you |
| 17:12.10 | Coutal | i sent a note to benh about it but it never got applied |
| 17:14.29 | Coutal | there's a post to some mailing group saying the display bug was introduced between 2.6.10-rc1-bk3 and rc1-bk8. problem is, a whole lotta code went there - all the lcd support code. |
| 17:15.11 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: did you perhaps compile the aty framebuffer driver without the LCD support? i wonder if the bug is part of that code or introduced by other random fix |
| 17:15.24 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: yup |
| 17:16.01 | Coutal | okay, so it has nothing to do with anything defined by the LCD define. that's a very important hint |
| 17:16.03 | Bor_Ed | I'll do some testing on the 2.6.14 tree this weekend (couple of builds) and let you know the result |
| 17:16.45 | Coutal | you don't need to necessarily. lemme get 2.6.14 and just diff it to 2.6.13.4 and see if there's any change at all |
| 17:17.05 | Bor_Ed | I want to have new kernel on the desktop anyway :D |
| 17:17.42 | Coutal | :) |
| 17:19.08 | Bor_Ed | btw, server/2nd desktop still has 2.4.27-powerpc :D |
| 17:19.14 | pahartik | Coutal: i think 2.6.14 got important improvements to IEEE-1394 code |
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| 17:21.02 | pahartik | Coutal: ...but you probably meant changes in framebuffer code... |
| 17:21.33 | Coutal | yeah, change in the ati framebuffer code |
| 17:21.48 | pahartik | Coutal: that patch looks like something i will be able to insert manually... |
| 17:21.53 | Coutal | that's what i did |
| 17:22.47 | Coutal | and it worked very nicely for me. but now that mac is going to be a cheap fileserver, so i need the 10/100 anyway. |
| 17:22.56 | Coutal | there aren't any 100mbit CS II cards, are there? |
| 17:23.18 | Coutal | (and even if there were, good luck finding one...) |
| 17:24.19 | Coutal | so i'm comparing the diffs between 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 atyfb_base.c. but i have no idea what i'm looking for, that's what frustrates me. |
| 17:25.41 | Coutal | i know a thing or two about video cards, but not enough for that. |
| 17:25.42 | pahartik | Coutal: i think one was available from Farallon or Asante, but if you manage to find one nowadays... |
| 17:27.33 | Coutal | yeah, i don't need the pci slot for anything else right now anyway |
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| 17:30.55 | pahartik | Coutal: i recommend Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 or Pro/1000 for network adapter... Linux seems to support that well... i have Pro/1000 on PowerMacintosh 7500 |
| 17:31.35 | Coutal | my router/switch is 100mbps anyway. i have one intel card, maybe i'll put it instead of the 3com |
| 17:33.13 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: pci or commslot? |
| 17:33.17 | Bor_Ed | whoops, realtek based |
| 17:33.24 | Bor_Ed | both cards are pci |
| 17:34.33 | Coutal | realtek is crap. it's the macdonalds of ethernet cards. mcethernet. |
| 17:34.45 | pahartik | Coutal: i did not notice any performance difference between Pro/100 and Pro/1000... they both perform equally well, it is just that Pro/1000 is somewhat more future-proof :) |
| 17:34.45 | Bor_Ed | works well(tm) |
| 17:35.15 | Coutal | that was its selling point. but it doesn't work well. you lose a lot of throughput by not putting in a good card. |
| 17:36.01 | Coutal | does anybody know enough about video cards to theorize where the failure in the driver would be? |
| 17:36.07 | Bor_Ed | pci is what... 33MHz*32bit bus... 132MB/s... which is ~1.4Gbps.... and that's for total bus |
| 17:36.15 | pahartik | Coutal: (i had Pro/1000 already and i borrowed new Pro/100 for testing) |
| 17:36.57 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: the bus is definitely not a bottleneck with 100mbps ethernet |
| 17:37.13 | Bor_Ed | nope... I was thinking of the 1Gbps nic |
| 17:37.46 | Bor_Ed | it hogs the bus alone... not room left for other devices really |
| 17:37.49 | Coutal | 1gbps nics do challange a normal pci bus. but you have up to 133mhz variants. |
| 17:37.56 | Coutal | pci-x et cetera |
| 17:38.03 | Coutal | not to mention pci express |
| 17:38.14 | Bor_Ed | pci-x is 66MHz with 64 bits, right? |
| 17:39.32 | Coutal | yeah |
| 17:39.55 | Bor_Ed | that's good ol' server pci bus on desktops just rebranded then :) |
| 17:41.59 | Coutal | pci express is another beast entirely |
| 17:42.10 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 17:42.22 | Bor_Ed | pretty much like agp on steroids |
| 17:42.28 | Coutal | right |
| 17:42.56 | Coutal | i'm still stumped about the card. but it's interesting to learn about driver development and such. |
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| 18:19.09 | Bor_Ed | mmm, getting ibm j2re 1.5... got to test it out :) |
| 18:19.44 | demon | don't suppose it includes a moz plugin... |
| 18:20.12 | Bor_Ed | moz plugin is available on apt... gjcwebplugin |
| 18:20.30 | Bor_Ed | works at least with j2re1.4.2 and moz 1.7.x |
| 18:21.14 | demon | oh? |
| 18:21.19 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:22.16 | demon | o rry... |
| 18:22.52 | Bor_Ed | the info stands on sid... possibly on sarge too |
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| 18:37.26 | demon | it's a system I'm running sid on anyway |
| 18:37.31 | demon | my pismo |
| 18:37.48 | Bor_Ed | well then |
| 18:44.18 | SimonRaven | what's that site that lists that metric 2 craploads worth of distros URI again? |
| 18:44.28 | chimaera | hi. has anyone verified if 2.6.14 supports the powerbook's fn-key? |
| 18:44.45 | SimonRaven | let people compile it already... sheesh |
| 18:45.32 | SimonRaven | how about you see for yourself, and also TMK, it is already. wouldn't be a matter of the kernel anyway, it's userspace... |
| 18:46.41 | chimaera | SimonRaven: huh? it's not. thanks for your disqualifying comment. have a nice evening. |
| 18:47.00 | SimonRaven | moot point ^^^ |
| 18:47.48 | chimaera | if i need a kernel-patch to het it working, then it's a kernel-issue to me. but well, what do i know. |
| 18:49.22 | SimonRaven | since when? that's weird *shrug*. so i'm wrong |
| 18:49.58 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: li.org ? |
| 18:50.08 | SimonRaven | distrowatch.com |
| 18:50.14 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 18:50.18 | chimaera | SimonRaven: np, just don't be so offensive when ppl ask valid questions. |
| 18:50.36 | chimaera | SimonRaven: i probably should have added that it'S a post feb05 pb.. |
| 18:50.48 | SimonRaven | i fail to see how that was offensive |
| 18:51.14 | SimonRaven | but anyway, yeh that would've helped :) |
| 18:51.22 | chimaera | for me 'how about testing yourself' (lazy shit) is offensive.. |
| 18:52.01 | Grackle` | Whee, I have a computer name Chimera. |
| 18:52.13 | SimonRaven | hey, you added that ! ;p often the person that asks that is lazy. sorry |
| 18:52.17 | Curalton | SimonRaven: apt-get.org? |
| 18:52.22 | chimaera | Grackle`: hehe, nice.. |
| 18:52.24 | SimonRaven | i have it, thanks |
| 18:53.18 | Grackle` | Woot, just dl'd a debian iso, time to burn it. :-) |
| 18:53.46 | chimaera | SimonRaven: i'm dl the source at the moment and check the appropriate file, but maybe someone already knew, sparing me the trouble of going over this with two or three simple letters. |
| 18:53.59 | chimaera | point is, i am lazy. |
| 18:54.37 | SimonRaven | well, there's the perl version of lazy, and just plain lazy. i consider myself of the former =) |
| 18:54.55 | SimonRaven | i tend to work like a "type a" |
| 18:55.53 | chimaera | heh, good one. i'm playing eq2 on the other box, time is of the essence ;) |
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| 18:57.40 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 19:01.30 | chimaera | SimonRaven: well, the changelog mentions FN only regarding netfiter |
| 19:02.40 | SimonRaven | :|. did you check out LKML to see what they were doing about it? the #mklinux folks probably know about it already, might want to talk with them to see what's going on. |
| 19:06.22 | SimonRaven | FYI, i'm moving the stuff on wiki.k.o to my site, as i've installed a wiki on my site, and i figured i should merge info. should be easier to manage and add to now. |
| 19:06.29 | chimaera | SimonRaven: there has been a patch for 2.6.12(13), but it doesn't apply on later kernels and i don't see why. regarding putting the patch into the main-lernel: guess they have't figured out how to do it properly.. (meta-key fn gets mapped to).. |
| 19:07.33 | SimonRaven | you might be able to finagle it in manually. be careful, and it's doable. once you've done so, make yourself a diff so you can more easily manage the changes |
| 19:10.04 | chimaera | SimonRaven: i tried, but it'S not working. there'S some kind of if involed which is taken by another device now. can't figure out how to change this.. |
| 19:10.18 | SimonRaven | ah ok |
| 19:10.22 | chimaera | i really sould let go <shift> faster |
| 19:12.08 | pahartik | chimaera: or avoid using "'" |
| 19:14.47 | chimaera | ;) |
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| 19:22.40 | oramirez | onalisa:/home/oramirez# cdrecord -scanbus |
| 19:22.40 | oramirez | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a03 (powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2005 Joerg Schilling |
| 19:22.40 | oramirez | NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord |
| 19:22.40 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.40 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.41 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.43 | oramirez | cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.13.3 |
| 19:22.47 | oramirez | cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 19:22.47 | oramirez | cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. |
| 19:22.49 | oramirez | cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 19:22.53 | oramirez | cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. |
| 19:22.55 | oramirez | cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'. |
| 19:22.57 | oramirez | cdrecord: |
| 19:22.59 | oramirez | cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc |
| 19:23.02 | oramirez | cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup . |
| 19:23.03 | oramirez | Does anyone know why I cant make it work directly? |
| 19:23.09 | oramirez | I have to put this |
| 19:23.32 | oramirez | monalisa:/home/oramirez# cdrecord dev\=/dev/hdc -scanbus |
| 19:23.32 | oramirez | Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a03 (powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2005 Joerg Schilling |
| 19:23.32 | oramirez | NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord |
| 19:23.32 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.33 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.33 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.35 | oramirez | cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.13.3 |
| 19:23.37 | oramirez | cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 19:23.39 | oramirez | cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. |
| 19:23.42 | oramirez | scsidev: '/dev/hdc' |
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| 19:23.43 | oramirez | devname: '/dev/hdc' |
| 19:23.45 | oramirez | scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 |
| 19:23.47 | oramirez | Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported. |
| 19:23.49 | oramirez | Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27 |
| 19:23.53 | oramirez | Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1'. |
| 19:23.55 | oramirez | cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c 1.91 04/06/17 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling'). |
| 19:23.58 | oramirez | scsibus1: |
| 19:24.00 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.02 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.04 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.06 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.08 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.10 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.12 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.14 | oramirez | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.16 | oramirez | monalisa:/home/oramirez# |
| 19:24.18 | oramirez | most of the tutorial I found use dev=ATAPI |
| 19:24.26 | oramirez | but I had to use this one -- > cdrecord dev\=/dev/hdc -scanbus |
| 19:24.33 | Curalton | spam? |
| 19:24.46 | oramirez | Curalton, pardon me? |
| 19:24.51 | SimonRaven | oramirez: stop pasting |
| 19:24.53 | ptitlouis | i don't think |
| 19:25.00 | ptitlouis | just newbie who paste too much |
| 19:25.15 | SimonRaven | no, not thinking |
| 19:25.23 | oramirez | SimonRaven, I am sorry for that, I was trying to explain my problem. |
| 19:25.50 | SimonRaven | you just say what it is, you don't need to paste useless things. |
| 19:26.53 | Curalton | flooding a channel, aka spam |
| 19:27.00 | Coutal | does anyone know why debian powerpc kernel does not have framebuffer devices as modules? |
| 19:28.46 | Curalton | because ppc doesnt have a VGA console and requires the framebuffer to show anything on boot |
| 19:29.37 | Coutal | so some stuff gets loaded before the initrd not showing up is the big deal? |
| 19:29.52 | Curalton | yep |
| 19:30.35 | Coutal | that kinda sucks |
| 19:30.41 | Coutal | you lose all the module-like controls |
| 19:31.33 | Curalton | feel free to rebuild the kernel, maybe fbuffer is even more essential |
| 19:31.40 | SimonRaven | hardly. that's what append= is for |
| 19:32.25 | SimonRaven | oramirez: it's not clear what your problem is |
| 19:32.30 | SimonRaven | @tell oramirez -about ask |
| 19:32.36 | SimonRaven | @tell oramirez -about smart questions |
| 19:32.45 | SimonRaven | that should help us help you |
| 19:32.55 | Coutal | Curalton: there's a reason for everything, and more likely than not it's been hashed in the debian mailing lists :) |
| 19:32.56 | SimonRaven | er, vice versa |
| 19:32.58 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 19:33.08 | SimonRaven | or, actually, both work... |
| 19:33.38 | Curalton | lol SimonRaven |
| 19:33.55 | Curalton | Coutal: well, i dont use debiankernels anyhow :) |
| 19:34.48 | Coutal | i am used to compiling it myself but i grew a bit tired of it lately. |
| 19:35.19 | Coutal | i'd rather spend time with my girlfriend. but i want to equip this box with directvnc so she can "run windows" on it :) |
| 19:36.17 | Coutal | but first i have to set up the framebuffer right, and only then i can solve the mess that is directvnc. |
| 19:36.33 | Coutal | you know, even offb does not work right on my machine |
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| 19:36.47 | Coutal | i really should file a bug on that. |
| 19:36.51 | nohero | hi |
| 19:36.55 | Coutal | brb |
| 19:38.15 | Coutal | three bugs in a single day. nice batch :) |
| 19:39.22 | SimonRaven | Curalton: :) |
| 19:39.55 | Curalton | Coutal: why not use a rdesktop client? |
| 19:39.57 | SimonRaven | Curalton: sometimes i get very confused, due to too many things going on at once (due to my own impositions on my workload) |
| 19:40.20 | Coutal | i want to avoid running X on the machine. more lightweight this way |
| 19:40.21 | SimonRaven | or some other vnc thingy. there's like 2 vncs and rdesktop |
| 19:40.36 | Coutal | and i haven't found a framebuffer rdesktop client |
| 19:40.46 | Coutal | but if you find one i'd be very happy if you tell me |
| 19:42.23 | Coutal | brb |
| 19:42.29 | Curalton | ah, no-X-extremist :) |
| 19:42.39 | CoutAway | precisely |
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| 19:54.34 | Coutal | Curalton: i never ran fb stuff until now, i wanted to see what it was all about. right now i'm as displeased as i was with svgalib |
| 19:54.49 | Coutal | but it looks like a much better attempt. maybe after the driver gets fixed, things will be better |
| 19:55.34 | Curalton | do startx -- rdesktop-bla or similar? |
| 19:58.35 | Coutal | i wanted to try it without X |
| 19:59.49 | Curalton | this would be an X without anything to it, should be "lightweight enough" |
| 20:12.19 | Coutal | ah, i found it: all i need is a lightweight java vm and then i could use the java port of rdesktop! hah! ;-) |
| 20:13.23 | Curalton | java, whops... |
| 20:14.36 | Coutal | i wasn't being serious :) |
| 20:20.44 | Q-FUNK | seems I just received my 1st phishing attempt, pretending to be from Nordea bank. a lookup on the originating host shows it's actually from poland. laughable considering that the e-mails are in english and even more suspicious considering that they were e-mailed form a spanish shell account. |
| 20:41.37 | oramirez | SimonRaven, thanks for manual |
| 20:43.35 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 21:04.12 | pahartik | if i noticed "phishing attempt", i would probably generate random strings and send them as response |
| 21:08.55 | pahartik | of course i would make sure that one cannot trace which Message-ID it is response to... |
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| 22:27.58 | Coutal | how do i use two-button mouse emulation in the console? |
| 22:28.29 | Coutal | i need to c&p something in the console with a one-button mouse |
| 22:38.42 | pahartik | Coutal: "sudo sysctl -a | grep mouse_button" |
| 22:39.59 | SimonRaven | Coutal: /msg ravenbird tell me about 3 buttons |
| 22:41.36 | johill | cool. I almost figured out how to call all the nice private ioctls of the airport express driver in osx |
| 22:43.55 | Coutal | thanks |
| 22:44.14 | Coutal | btw i noticed something really odd about the new atyfb driver. i cannot set hsync or vsync to low |
| 22:44.14 | SimonRaven | johill: hah! :) |
| 22:44.20 | Coutal | which may be part of the problem. |
| 22:44.42 | Coutal | you know, maybe i should boot with 2.4 again and attempt to set vsync/hsync to high and see if that causes the same result |
| 22:47.42 | Coutal | nope. no change. |
| 22:48.07 | Q-FUNK | johill: nice |
| 22:48.38 | johill | uh. s/osx/ppc/ |
| 22:48.53 | Coutal | is microwindows packaged in debian? |
| 22:48.59 | SimonRaven | now if we can get some miboot magic ;) |
| 22:49.25 | Coutal | just hack bootx instead |
| 22:49.50 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: looks like i got a bunch of fake Nordea phishing mails today. |
| 22:50.00 | Coutal | i mean the original bootx, not the darwin bootloader |
| 22:50.01 | Coutal | argh |
| 22:50.04 | Coutal | a pun lost |
| 22:50.32 | Coutal | bootx, what an inspired name for a boot loader. but what a coincidence that two unrelated projects pick the same name! :P |
| 22:50.58 | SimonRaven | we knew what you meant ;) |
| 22:51.05 | SimonRaven | oh, and |
| 22:51.08 | SimonRaven | @lart Coutal |
| 22:51.31 | Coutal | i have to boot this box with bootx |
| 22:51.40 | Coutal | maybe quik would have worked, but it only supports ext2 |
| 22:51.43 | SimonRaven | beige g3? |
| 22:51.49 | Coutal | powermac 5500/275 |
| 22:51.57 | johill | does userPostCommand always have a userPostCommand(void *pIn, void *pOut, IOByteCount inputSize, IOByteCount *outPutSize) prototype? |
| 22:52.07 | Coutal | the black model. collector's edition :P |
| 22:53.08 | Coutal | i wonder if one can call `em "g2" now. |
| 22:53.18 | SimonRaven | some do |
| 22:53.38 | SimonRaven | from the 601s up to the 604s some call 'em g2s |
| 22:53.51 | Coutal | i really want some nicer machine, but i can't afford the exhorbiant prices they charge here |
| 22:54.15 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/#00000689 |
| 22:54.50 | Coutal | brb |
| 22:54.53 | SimonRaven | Coutal: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Know/MacFAQ |
| 22:55.20 | SimonRaven | woops wrong link... s/FAQ/PPC/ |
| 23:04.28 | johill | whew. this is rather complicated |
| 23:04.37 | johill | lots of nested structs |
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| 23:14.09 | johill | easy |
| 23:17.03 | johill | now to write code to use it :) |
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| 23:43.28 | johill | done. |
| 23:48.06 | johill | wohoo. I wonder who'd be interested in this except me |
| 23:52.05 | pahartik | johill: mostly not me :) |
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| 23:59.34 | johill | I'd have guessed that much ;) |