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| 00:41.45 | lsald | has anyone in here compiled firefox1.5b from src successfully? |
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| 00:52.45 | lsald | i will take that as a 'nah, didn't care to even try' ;) |
| 00:53.26 | wcstok | last time I tried it was on freebsd, does that count =) |
| 00:54.38 | lsald | i wish, i just want a .deb, i know it's out there somewhere! |
| 00:55.11 | lsald | i keep getting memcpy errors with the gtk2 libs 'or something' |
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| 02:02.47 | Grackle` | I need to put a debian iso file onto my hd to do an hd install. What I have is: A small CD (600MB) with a gzipped debian iso on it, OS9, and two HDs. My computer can support two IDE drives at once. All my HDs and cdrom drives are IDE devices. Now... Is there a type of partition that can be both mounted in os9 and in the hdinstall? |
| 02:03.45 | Grackle` | Or... Will I be able to load up a ramdisk that will allow me to access the HD and cdrom drive at the same time, as well as use some util to extract the file? |
| 02:04.29 | Grackle` | If you guys don't have any idea, I suppose I'll just play around until something works out. :P |
| 02:05.50 | johill | Grackle`: hdinstall might be able to read hfs/hfsplus partitions, but I don't know if that driver is available that early |
| 02:06.32 | johill | can't you just find someone else to burn you a non-zipped iso? :) |
| 02:06.41 | Grackle` | I'll do that if all else fails, but I'd like to get this working with what I have. |
| 02:08.16 | Grackle` | Booting with one HD and a cdrom drive... |
| 02:09.00 | johill | just try booting the net installer and see if it can mount hfsplus |
| 02:09.16 | Grackle` | I'll try that next. |
| 02:09.19 | johill | if it cannot, you can probably have it download kernel modules from the net and load them |
| 02:09.21 | Grackle` | Can it mount a cdrom drive? |
| 02:09.36 | johill | should, but you won't have much fun with that zip |
| 02:09.53 | johill | I doubt you have unzip there |
| 02:10.20 | johill | good luck, I desperately need sleep :) |
| 02:10.30 | Grackle` | Yeah... :X |
| 02:11.00 | Grackle` | Hmm, maybe I could use the net install to grab the file off a server. |
| 02:11.19 | Grackle` | I can't use the normal net install, because that always fails. |
| 02:11.39 | Grackle` | Hells yes! |
| 02:11.44 | Grackle` | hdinstall has gunzip |
| 02:14.01 | johill | but gunzip doesn't extract zip files |
| 02:14.16 | johill | it expands gzipped files |
| 02:14.17 | johill | anyway |
| 02:14.19 | johill | going |
| 02:15.28 | Grackle` | I said gzipped... |
| 02:15.45 | Grackle` | Can anyone help me mount my cdrom drive? |
| 02:17.09 | Grackle` | Ooooo, it has wget! |
| 02:17.19 | Grackle` | I shall go put this iso on a server. |
| 02:31.11 | Grackle` | Heh heh heh... Bloopid bloriplope. |
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| 04:53.55 | Grackle` | Gah, I finally got the iso on my HD, and now when I run the hd install, it does some stuff, then it says that it can't find my cdrom drive, make sure it's in the drive, blah blah blah. |
| 04:54.11 | Grackle` | Isn't the whole point of an hd-install the fact that it doesn't need the cdrom? |
| 04:56.06 | Grackle` | GAHHH! |
| 04:56.10 | Grackle` | Bad md5sum. |
| 04:56.13 | Grackle` | Arggggghhhhh. |
| 04:56.27 | Grackle` | Gnargh. |
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| 08:41.21 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ java -version |
| 08:41.21 | Bor_Ed | java version "1.5.0" |
| 08:41.21 | Bor_Ed | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build pxp32dev-20050923b) |
| 08:41.24 | Bor_Ed | whoopee :D |
| 08:42.05 | nohero | Bor_Ed, ibm's java? |
| 08:42.12 | Bor_Ed | yup :D |
| 08:42.20 | Bor_Ed | works on moz too with gcjwebplugin |
| 08:42.46 | nohero | :D |
| 08:42.53 | johill | supported by java-package? |
| 08:43.11 | Bor_Ed | I have doubts on that... it's separate download from ibm site |
| 08:43.29 | Bor_Ed | full sdk though |
| 08:43.44 | nohero | Bor_Ed, is better than 1.4.2 like sun's java 1.5 i better than 1.4.2? |
| 08:43.59 | johill | yeah but java package would re-wrap that into a deb, which is nice |
| 08:44.01 | nohero | faster... |
| 08:44.05 | Bor_Ed | haven't had much testing yet on sites... but I'd guess it works better than 1.4.2 |
| 08:44.17 | johill | so support in java-package would be nice |
| 08:44.29 | Bor_Ed | java-package supports up to ibm 1.3 and 1.4 ... I'd guess 1.5 works too |
| 08:44.50 | johill | it doesn't out of the box |
| 08:44.55 | Bor_Ed | after all it's compatible with java 2 |
| 08:45.05 | nohero | damn, now that i kucked my debian installation!!! |
| 08:45.13 | nohero | i cannot test it |
| 08:45.36 | Bor_Ed | whoopee, the sdk ships with demos :D |
| 08:46.07 | johill | I'll try to adjust java-package to it |
| 08:46.29 | Bor_Ed | good luck |
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| 08:48.44 | johill | nah. I won't. too much hassle for little gain, whoever usually does that is probably already working on it |
| 08:49.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, might upgrade helix/real too now that I'm at the testing new thingies... the realone I have is getting a bit aged |
| 08:50.49 | Bor_Ed | 10.0.5 gold available... should do |
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| 08:54.19 | Bor_Ed | well that was smooth |
| 08:55.56 | Bor_Ed | in case of if someone else wants it too, https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/1346/realplay-10.0.5.756-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-powerpc.bin is the wget url |
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| 09:01.24 | pahartik | has someone managed to builf "Project X" ("http://sourceforge.net/projects/project-x")? which packages does it depend on? |
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| 09:19.00 | Bor_Ed | hmm, does anyone know where to get lazarus .debs? |
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| 09:36.05 | nohero | ciao |
| 09:36.13 | nohero | an inportant question: |
| 09:36.25 | nohero | during the installation of debian |
| 09:37.20 | nohero | if i mount root (/) and install debian in it without inizialiting the partition, what sort of data i'll lost? |
| 09:41.49 | Bor_Ed | bleh, compiling the buggr myself |
| 09:44.03 | myXtie | Bor_Ed I suppose most of that software would not work on my nubus and right now I am having problems with my cube |
| 09:45.24 | myXtie | The firewire is broken and I used to build my own kernels without firewire but now something in the standard debian kernels really causes panics |
| 09:46.26 | myXtie | even booting and invoking nofirewire to yaboot to pass to kernel doesn't fix it |
| 09:47.12 | myXtie | oh well when I have more time , I will mail list ( firewire list ) |
| 09:47.34 | myXtie | Bor_Ed you still have nubus ? |
| 09:48.23 | Bor_Ed | not anymore... sold last one ~an year back |
| 09:49.23 | myXtie | well I have 3 now ( friend was throwing them away ) hate to see things go to garbage |
| 09:49.40 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 09:49.49 | Bor_Ed | they'll add nicely to a compile farm |
| 09:50.10 | myXtie | I am afraid they will outlive me |
| 09:50.53 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 10:03.01 | Bor_Ed | hmm, anyone have lazarus installed and running? I get weird error on compile :I |
| 10:08.35 | pahartik | is it safe to upgrade to "libgcc1 1:4.0.2-2" already (from "libgcc1 1:3.4.3-13") or does it break something important? |
| 10:09.21 | Bor_Ed | I've used gcc 4.0.x for ages... no probs with it |
| 10:09.46 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.13.3 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)) #1 Sun Oct 9 21:01:28 EEST 2005 <<-- even kernel compiles and runs fine |
| 10:14.11 | Bor_Ed | you've held back with that for a good while :o |
| 10:15.27 | johill | though I think we had problems with redhats gcc 4 or something |
| 10:15.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i have installed many packages from "etch" and "sid" but nothing that depends on newer "libgcc1" :) |
| 10:15.58 | Bor_Ed | I haven't seen too many depending on it either |
| 10:16.02 | johill | gcc 4.0.1 20050727 (Red Hat 4.0.1-5) - oopses |
| 10:16.16 | Bor_Ed | well RH is 1 big problem :D |
| 10:16.46 | johill | :P |
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| 10:34.11 | Bor_Ed | anyone happen to remember the command to build .deb from source tree which has already debian/rules ? :) |
| 10:35.12 | johill | debuild |
| 10:35.13 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "time fakeroot debian/rules binary" |
| 10:35.20 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 10:35.23 | johill | I think we always answer that question this way ;) |
| 10:35.38 | Bor_Ed | /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: install/debian/rules: Permission denied |
| 10:35.39 | Bor_Ed | :D |
| 10:36.02 | Bor_Ed | sudo whines the same |
| 10:36.45 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: wrong permissions? |
| 10:36.50 | Bor_Ed | rw-r-r |
| 10:37.24 | Bor_Ed | buggr is giving me hard time... and all I want is a simple gui for freepascal :I |
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| 10:46.06 | Bor_Ed | hmm, wc says the rules file has 97 lines... and the permission thingy is on line 150 :o |
| 10:48.10 | Bor_Ed | chmod +x debian/rules seemed to at least start the compile |
| 10:50.16 | Bor_Ed | Fatal: Can't find unit glib |
| 10:50.16 | Bor_Ed | Error: Compilation aborted |
| 10:50.20 | Bor_Ed | :( |
| 10:56.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i think "Project X" "build" is getting much further after upgrades, but system is really sticky while compiling... must be because of I/O scheduler or something in this kernel |
| 10:57.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: takes few minutes to switch between terminals, minute or two to see what was typed |
| 10:59.53 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 11:00.26 | Bor_Ed | sheesh, the fpc doesn't ship with the unit glib... nothing wrong with the lazarus :o |
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| 11:29.39 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: here the sys does the same but hda also whines about missed interrupt |
| 11:32.48 | Bor_Ed | wee, new error... |
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| 11:49.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i think changing from "deadline" to "cfq" helped... |
| 11:50.51 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: ...at "/sys/block/hda/queue/scheduler" |
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| 12:02.30 | Bor_Ed | main.pp(826,3) Error: Can't call the assembler, error 8 switching to external assembling |
| 12:02.34 | Bor_Ed | main.pp(826,3) Fatal: There were 2 errors compiling module, stopping |
| 12:02.35 | Bor_Ed | got hints for ^ ? |
| 12:02.55 | Bor_Ed | noop [anticipatory] deadline cfq |
| 12:03.01 | Bor_Ed | ^^ on my schedulerf |
| 12:06.18 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you have got "anticipatory" scheduler active |
| 12:06.27 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 12:11.27 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: for example: 'sudo sh -c "echo cfq > /sys/block/hda/queue/scheduler"' |
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| 12:12.29 | Bor_Ed | that should stop the halting? |
| 12:15.19 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: it switches scheduler |
| 12:15.53 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but if problem is elsewhere in software or hardware, it does not help |
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| 12:23.52 | Bor_Ed | seems to be as sluggish as before |
| 12:26.06 | Bor_Ed | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lglib |
| 12:26.10 | Bor_Ed | mmm, new error |
| 12:26.50 | mockenh | Hi everybody, I got myself a nice little problem that is driving me crazy as I seem to be the only one experiencing it. I'm running an ibook using ppp with a dsl connection. The more I use the later the more (up to hundreds per second) repeatitions of the following syslog line I get: |
| 12:26.55 | mockenh | Oct 29 14:18:26 achernar kernel: hw tcp v4 csum failed |
| 12:27.02 | mockenh | I'm happy about _any_ idea |
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| 13:14.34 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: lazarus built as .deb and it even works :P |
| 13:15.25 | johill | :) |
| 13:17.12 | Bor_Ed | only took ~5 hours to get buggr ready :D |
| 13:19.58 | Bor_Ed | now where my delphi book is :o |
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| 14:18.05 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: what does it do? |
| 14:21.04 | Bor_Ed | it's delphi ide/rad compatible opensource project, runs over freepascal |
| 14:21.27 | Bor_Ed | aka nice toy to have :) |
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| 15:49.03 | eddyp | is PowerBook5,2 a laptop with USB or ADB touchpad? |
| 15:50.00 | Bor_Ed | lsusb should tell if the kb is in there |
| 15:53.26 | eddyp | if only I knew what the nubers mean :) |
| 15:53.39 | Bor_Ed | Bus 003 Device 005: ID 09da:0006 A4 Tech Co., Ltd Optical Mouse WOP-35 / Trust 450L Optical Mouse |
| 15:53.46 | Bor_Ed | here devices are told on their names :o |
| 15:54.02 | Bor_Ed | you could check out the HID devices on dmesg too |
| 15:56.14 | eddyp | Bor_Ed: thanks |
| 15:56.16 | eddyp | is ADB |
| 15:56.18 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 16:03.42 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I/O scheduler did not help... same thing still happened when building |
| 16:04.00 | Bor_Ed | I'm just building kernel and haven't noticed any diff either |
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| 16:06.20 | Bor_Ed | wth?? ppc has been ported to xilinx virtex-II pro core |
| 16:06.58 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: define "ppc" in this context? |
| 16:07.08 | Bor_Ed | powerpc ABI |
| 16:07.37 | Bor_Ed | reading through the kernel ppc tree as it compiles on other term :D |
| 16:07.58 | Bor_Ed | there's some stb chip too that's ppc32 |
| 16:09.36 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: PowerPC is not unusual in "embedded devices" |
| 16:09.42 | Bor_Ed | I know that |
| 16:09.48 | Bor_Ed | but to xilinx core? :) |
| 16:10.01 | Bor_Ed | amcc has pretty board range of embeddable ppcs anyway |
| 16:12.20 | Bor_Ed | broad even |
| 16:14.46 | Bor_Ed | linksys is mips based afaik |
| 16:15.22 | _rene_ | jup |
| 16:15.52 | Bor_Ed | dunno about the dvb boxen then... could be ppcs too |
| 16:16.55 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i do not have either device, but i am interested |
| 16:17.32 | Bor_Ed | I'm interested on wearable and such embeddable gear... buggr boards just are still out of my league in prices |
| 16:17.58 | _rene_ | pahartik: the linksys stuff is mips. definitely |
| 16:18.28 | Bor_Ed | friend just put mips linux to some linksys router... it had 4 lan ports, 802.11g and 1 wan port |
| 16:18.50 | _rene_ | jup. openwrt rules ;) |
| 16:18.52 | wcstok | openwrt.org for that, loads of fun (just installed on another wrt last night) |
| 16:20.31 | pahartik | _rene_: oh yes... well, as non-wintel, it is interesting... |
| 16:21.06 | Bor_Ed | anything except wintel is interesting on comps :D |
| 16:21.21 | Bor_Ed | or even everything... |
| 16:22.27 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i had some cloudberry liqueur and then sambuca |
| 16:22.47 | Bor_Ed | I have only some olvi and lappis |
| 16:23.08 | Bor_Ed | _rene_: are you going to add usb drive there too? |
| 16:23.36 | _rene_ | well, first the basic stuff. for the rest, let's see :) |
| 16:23.42 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:23.42 | wcstok | add audio, then listen to the sounds of the internet :P |
| 16:24.01 | Bor_Ed | it'll make nice mp3 box with usb hd and audio thingy |
| 16:24.40 | wcstok | 'course if you wanted usb, you'd be better off starting with a router that already has usb capability |
| 16:24.54 | Bor_Ed | linksys ones have |
| 16:25.00 | wcstok | not the wrt54g |
| 16:25.09 | Bor_Ed | hmm... mmkay |
| 16:25.29 | Bor_Ed | it wasn't that then what the friend has :o |
| 16:25.48 | Bor_Ed | he's got usb for FW updates and conf... works as host too |
| 16:26.45 | wcstok | but no, if i want extra space it's nfs or nothing |
| 16:27.09 | Bor_Ed | bleh, real hacker would make mmc or sdio on unused ports of the mcu :D |
| 16:28.20 | wcstok | not worth the effort..and if I break it I have to plug the hub back in...10mb/half duplex mode just annoys me for some reason |
| 16:28.52 | Bor_Ed | I have 10/100Mbit switch on lan side and 1(!) 100Mbit capable box (server :) |
| 16:30.33 | wcstok | well, using the hub isn't so bad, except my dsl modem/router is a piss poor router |
| 16:31.05 | Bor_Ed | mine is a-link roadrunner 44c... the firewall in it leaked badly so I have FW on server and lan after it :) |
| 16:31.31 | Bor_Ed | time to see if I fsck'd up the new kernel... |
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| 17:01.09 | Bor_Ed | hmm, fbdev is still messed up and now even X got f00ked up :/ |
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| 17:04.14 | Bor_Ed | well, it's now a prob with X too |
| 17:04.30 | Bor_Ed | buggr... back later, I'll have to try to fix this :) |
| 17:06.00 | Bor_Ed | nope... fonts still fugly and resolution only 1024 :( |
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| 17:21.10 | Bor_Ed | X prob was because of wrong term... but still the console is a mess |
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| 17:41.18 | mrwick | is it bad to have my Debian install on a partition type Apple_Bootstrap? |
| 17:41.47 | mrwick | . . .and I wonder what will happen if I change it to ext3, and reboot :-d |
| 17:42.08 | mrwick | I've been googling, and searched the mailing list archives.. but haven't seen anything like this. |
| 17:42.30 | mrwick | I guess I'm the only one dull enough to make my install partition bootable :-B |
| 17:43.16 | wcstok | probalby depends on what you're using for a bootloader |
| 17:43.26 | mrwick | yaboot on a powerbook alum. |
| 17:44.44 | mrwick | ah.. well, parted says ext3 |
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| 17:45.59 | mrwick | hmm.. I guess changing the bootable flag did it. |
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| 17:52.55 | mrwick | that's pretty old-skool wcstok |
| 17:53.15 | Bor_Ed | quik is just pop :) |
| 17:53.15 | wcstok | well it's an old mac, so it fits nicely |
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| 18:20.14 | mrwick | nym : http://status.lsu.edu/security/crack-cisd.html |
| 18:21.43 | Bor_Ed | ctrl+n ? :) |
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| 18:37.50 | Grackle` | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 18:38.11 | Grackle` | Kernel panic: Unable to mount root fs on unknownn-block(0,) |
| 18:38.14 | Grackle` | Gah. |
| 18:38.15 | Bor_Ed | sounds like initrd enabled kernel but no init= passed to the kernel |
| 18:38.25 | Coutal | i'm reading the page on Martin Eric Racine. i must say i have my own plan for taking over the computing world :P |
| 18:38.39 | Grackle` | Hmm Bor_Ed? |
| 18:38.49 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: the dude just came online |
| 18:38.58 | Grackle` | I'm using bootx, is there a bot arg I should use? |
| 18:39.08 | Coutal | well, it's not like i'm dissing anyone |
| 18:39.13 | Bor_Ed | Grackle`: installer kernel on installer sys? |
| 18:39.17 | Coutal | i have my own plan too. maybe we can exchange plans :) |
| 18:39.26 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: good luck :P |
| 18:39.34 | Coutal | Grackle`: what machine are you booting, and do you have your root filesystem compiled as a module? |
| 18:39.51 | Grackle` | What do you mean "installer kernel on installer sys"? |
| 18:40.19 | Grackle` | Umm, it's a beige G3, I did an hd install using the current iso. |
| 18:40.24 | Grackle` | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 18:40.41 | Coutal | are you inside your installation right now? |
| 18:40.47 | Coutal | or in macos? |
| 18:41.00 | Grackle` | I'm in macos, at the bootx screen. |
| 18:41.03 | Bor_Ed | bah, bombed build |
| 18:41.17 | wcstok | try root=/dev/hda3 in the bootx args |
| 18:41.22 | Bor_Ed | ÿÿLinux version 2.6.14 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051023 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-3)) #1 PREEMPT Sat Oct 29 18:59:25 EEST 2005 |
| 18:41.30 | Bor_Ed | detected as : 48 (PowerMac G3 (Gossamer)) |
| 18:41.41 | Grackle` | hda3 is swap... |
| 18:41.43 | Coutal | Grackle`: go to the options and turn off the ram disk. where it says "root device" put the /dev node of the partition you installed debian on. |
| 18:41.49 | wcstok | then 4 |
| 18:41.55 | Grackle` | Why? |
| 18:41.55 | Bor_Ed | wcstok: what's bugging on the 2.6? :) |
| 18:42.00 | Coutal | wcstok: what seems to be the problem? |
| 18:42.04 | Grackle` | I know hda2 is the root partition. |
| 18:42.15 | Coutal | with bootx |
| 18:42.17 | wcstok | either it wont compile at all (syntax errors), or I screw up the hardware config |
| 18:42.34 | Coutal | wcstok: go with a stock kernel at first perhaps |
| 18:42.37 | wcstok | last time I got both enet cards detected but couldn't bring em up, and the keyboard didnt work |
| 18:42.39 | Bor_Ed | I have working 2.6.14... fbdev driver is only one with some buggr probs |
| 18:42.41 | Coutal | a precompiled debian one. |
| 18:42.48 | wcstok | (using a pci rtl8139) |
| 18:42.57 | Grackle` | Coutal: /dev node as in hda2? |
| 18:43.03 | Coutal | yeah, it should say /dev/hda2 |
| 18:43.05 | wcstok | 2.4 is working nicely though |
| 18:43.07 | Bor_Ed | beige g3 internal nic isn't good enough? |
| 18:43.14 | Grackle` | Yeah, I did that and I get the error. |
| 18:43.20 | Coutal | what error is it? |
| 18:43.53 | Grackle` | Scroll up... I posted it a couple minutes ago. It says it can't find the root filesystem. |
| 18:44.02 | wcstok | last I tried it, I only got 10mb out of it, and then I needed to transfer files across the network |
| 18:44.05 | wcstok | about went insane |
| 18:44.15 | Bor_Ed | the onboard nic is 10Mbit |
| 18:44.29 | Coutal | okay, what filesystem did you choose for it? |
| 18:44.31 | Bor_Ed | and most rtl8139 nics are happier with 8139too driver |
| 18:44.54 | Coutal | many rtl8139 nics just go bad. i've had quite a few of them die |
| 18:45.08 | Grackle` | Coutal: I installed everything on hda, hda1 is a 32kb Apple partition that the partitioner put there, hda2 is root, hda3 is swap. |
| 18:45.16 | Bor_Ed | I have one at the server running 100Mbit with no issues |
| 18:45.17 | wcstok | the nic works fine, it's working now infact, it just wouldn't cooperate with 2.6 |
| 18:45.27 | Coutal | err... actually, it *can't* be hda2. no way on earth. |
| 18:45.32 | Grackle` | Why? |
| 18:45.34 | wcstok | 'course given that the kernel had other issues, I probably hosed up something else |
| 18:45.42 | Coutal | because apple fills up the hard drive with their own partition scheme |
| 18:45.49 | Coutal | apple partition map, patch partition, et cetera. |
| 18:45.56 | Grackle` | Coutal, I have OS9 on a different HD. |
| 18:46.08 | Grackle` | This HD is purely for linux. |
| 18:46.11 | Coutal | oh |
| 18:46.13 | Coutal | i see |
| 18:46.25 | Grackle` | OS9 boots off hdc, starts bootx... |
| 18:46.46 | Coutal | i was simply thinking of my box, which can't physically hold more than one hard drive :P |
| 18:47.05 | Grackle` | Bor_Ed: What was that about a init= argument? |
| 18:47.07 | Grackle` | oh heh |
| 18:47.18 | Bor_Ed | Grackle`: you need to give it the initrd.gz |
| 18:47.19 | Coutal | anyway, try to load up the installation again, open up a console with alt-f2 instead of installing, and try to mount /dev/hda2. |
| 18:47.39 | Grackle` | Bor_Ed: What? For normal booting? |
| 18:47.42 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: why would he need to run with the initrd if he didn't choose a funky filesystem? |
| 18:47.48 | Grackle` | I just finished the base install... |
| 18:48.05 | Bor_Ed | if the only kernel installed to bootx is the installer kernel, that's pretty much required |
| 18:48.25 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: my machine boots up fine (well, a few missing modules, but boots up) without the initrd. |
| 18:49.02 | Grackle` | So how do I direct it to initrd.gz? It's in the system folder on my HD "Untitled" |
| 18:49.23 | Coutal | you simply pick "use initial ram disk" in the options menu, then you get a standard mac file selection dialog. |
| 18:49.46 | Grackle` | But that loads the installer doesn't it? |
| 18:50.05 | Grackle` | How do I get into my installed system from there? |
| 18:50.15 | Bor_Ed | chroot to the installed HD |
| 18:50.16 | Coutal | if it's the installer's initrd, yes, that will load the installer. but that's what we want to do right now anyway, to diagnose your installation. |
| 18:50.25 | Grackle` | okay |
| 18:50.35 | Grackle` | I booted, now I will try to mount the fs.. |
| 18:50.41 | Coutal | btw |
| 18:50.50 | Coutal | bootx might need the apple partition map |
| 18:50.59 | Coutal | and might not like the fact that you actually fdisk'ed your own drive. |
| 18:51.36 | Bor_Ed | hey, where in the kernel conf is the apm emulation? |
| 18:51.43 | Grackle` | Oh, so should I partition the drive in OS9, then use the free space as a place to put linux? |
| 18:52.02 | Coutal | Grackle`: don't rush to it, it's just a speculation right now |
| 18:52.27 | Bor_Ed | found the buggr |
| 18:52.45 | Grackle` | Okay Coutal, I mounted part2 to /target, it's definately the root partition. |
| 18:53.10 | Coutal | what filesystem is it? |
| 18:53.42 | Bor_Ed | Grackle`: did you copy the installed /boot/vmlinux-whatever to bootx Linux kernels dir? |
| 18:53.42 | Grackle` | hda |
| 18:54.01 | Grackle` | No I did not. |
| 18:54.20 | Bor_Ed | you should... install manual doesn't mention that but you need the kernel there to be able to boot |
| 18:54.28 | Grackle` | oh okay |
| 18:54.36 | Coutal | right. and you'll also find an initrd image in /boot. copy that as well |
| 18:54.40 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 18:54.40 | Grackle` | Hmm, how to get it out of here... |
| 18:54.57 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: the run kernel doesn't have initrd... only installer has |
| 18:55.09 | Grackle` | How do I get the kernel off the HD/where do I put it? |
| 18:55.16 | Grackle` | er |
| 18:55.21 | Grackle` | -where do I put it |
| 18:55.29 | Grackle` | Is there an ftp program? |
| 18:55.42 | Bor_Ed | mount the mockos partition from the installer, copy the kernel from rootfs to the mockos partition |
| 18:56.16 | Grackle` | I can mount an hfs volume? |
| 18:56.23 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: you know, i somehow lost my ability to mount my macos partition. it looks like a hfs volume and shows only the "where have my files gone" file |
| 18:56.30 | Coutal | it's hfsplus |
| 18:56.33 | Bor_Ed | it should be possible on sarge 2.6 installer |
| 18:56.40 | Coutal | but i remember being able to do it on my earlier installations |
| 18:56.58 | Coutal | and i'm running 2.6.13 now |
| 18:57.01 | Coutal | and it doesn't work |
| 18:57.09 | Grackle` | I don't think it is Bor_Ed, I had to make a ext3 partition and wget the iso to it in order to hd install. |
| 18:57.20 | Grackle` | I couldn't just put it on the macos HD. |
| 18:57.34 | Bor_Ed | Grackle`: well can you read the ext3 within mockos? |
| 18:57.41 | Grackle` | No. |
| 18:58.00 | Grackle` | Unless there is a program to do that? |
| 18:58.02 | Bor_Ed | buggr... do you have some free space (unpartitioned) on some disk |
| 18:58.30 | Grackle` | Nope... |
| 18:58.50 | Bor_Ed | mmm... |
| 18:59.04 | Bor_Ed | did you install the sys with 2.4.27-powerpc kernel? |
| 18:59.12 | Bor_Ed | or 2.6.8? |
| 18:59.25 | Grackle` | No, 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 18:59.28 | Grackle` | yeah |
| 18:59.36 | Bor_Ed | I don't have that so can't put it available :I |
| 18:59.50 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what box you had again? |
| 19:00.13 | Grackle` | beige g3 |
| 19:00.18 | Grackle` | desktop |
| 19:00.28 | Bor_Ed | want my 2.6.14 for a spin? |
| 19:00.34 | Grackle` | With a zif G4, but I think that's irrelevant.. |
| 19:00.36 | Grackle` | umm |
| 19:00.43 | Grackle` | Lemme work on this a bit more. |
| 19:01.01 | Bor_Ed | it has critical stuff built in... the rest are installable from the .deb |
| 19:01.37 | Grackle` | DO you mean to boot from it or to installl? |
| 19:01.44 | Bor_Ed | boot... |
| 19:01.48 | Grackle` | oh okay |
| 19:02.00 | Bor_Ed | I don't make install kernels since deb installer is way enough for me :) |
| 19:02.00 | Grackle` | Yeah, I'll try it. |
| 19:03.11 | Bor_Ed | ^^ file to Linux kernels dir |
| 19:03.34 | Bor_Ed | and ^^ installed to the ext3 |
| 19:08.13 | Bor_Ed | ... |
| 19:10.02 | Grackle` | doot |
| 19:10.32 | Bor_Ed | another try? |
| 19:10.54 | Grackle` | I'm booting netinst, I wanted to see if it had an ftp util or anything, it doesn't seem to.. |
| 19:11.04 | Grackle` | wget can't send files, can it? |
| 19:11.11 | Bor_Ed | wget can't send |
| 19:11.17 | Grackle` | Didn't think so. :P |
| 19:11.40 | Bor_Ed | get the files I offered and burn 'em to cd-rw |
| 19:11.55 | Bor_Ed | works(tm) |
| 19:12.16 | Grackle` | Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize you offered them *is using ircle on an old mac* |
| 19:12.29 | Bor_Ed | another try on the files? :) |
| 19:13.26 | Grackle` | sure |
| 19:13.52 | Bor_Ed | fetch 'em now :) |
| 19:14.16 | Bor_Ed | first one is to linux kernels dir and another one should be installed on the linux |
| 19:14.54 | Bor_Ed | console is corrupt for some reason but I'm recompiling it to see if the buggr would work with another setup |
| 19:15.12 | Grackle` | hmm |
| 19:15.46 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.14 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051023 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-3)) #1 PREEMPT Sat Oct 29 18:59:25 EEST 2005 |
| 19:15.50 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: naa? :D |
| 19:16.47 | SimonRaven | has preempt been stable for you ? i won't put it on the servers, but it's been ok on x86 (typical...) |
| 19:17.07 | Bor_Ed | well, for this uptime(some hours and heavy load) it has worked so far ok |
| 19:17.39 | SimonRaven | ok. tell me after 4 days. that's when it started going bonkers for me. everything would segfault |
| 19:17.44 | Grackle` | Bor, do you think I could wget the kernel you gave me while in the netinstall image (I know I can do this), then boot using that kernel and the bootx kernel, then when debian is installed, upload the 2.6 kernel to a server so I can use it with bootx? |
| 19:17.58 | Grackle` | IOW, can I just switch kernels without things going crazy.,... |
| 19:18.19 | Bor_Ed | well I've done that... so I'd guess yea |
| 19:18.26 | Grackle` | okay awesome |
| 19:18.41 | Bor_Ed | as long as the g3 has networking up |
| 19:18.48 | Grackle` | yes |
| 19:19.34 | Grackle` | Is it as simple as booting 2.6.8 from bootx while having the same file in /boot, or do I need to do any other setup to choose that kernel? |
| 19:19.46 | Bor_Ed | it's the same thingy |
| 19:20.25 | Bor_Ed | it's just that I gave the vmlinux file to you too so you don't have to copy it from /boot |
| 19:20.29 | SimonRaven | same thing, in fact on some machines, it's beneficial - for various OF and video reasons |
| 19:20.54 | Bor_Ed | mainly OF :( |
| 19:20.58 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 19:21.06 | Grackle` | I mean if I boot off 2.4 from bootx, it will use 2.4 on /boot, and if I boot off 2.6 in bootx it will use 2.6 in /boot? |
| 19:21.16 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:21.22 | Grackle` | okay |
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| 19:21.45 | Bor_Ed | though the .deb has full kernel with loads of modules in /lib/modules/2.6.14 too |
| 19:23.32 | Grackle` | bbias, I'm gonna go put the files on my temporary server... |
| 19:23.42 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:31.52 | Grackle` | Got it, rebooting. |
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| 19:33.44 | Grackle` | hi |
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| 19:36.09 | Grackle` | Booting, Bor_Ed. |
| 19:36.16 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:36.26 | Grackle` | The console is quite wonky. |
| 19:36.34 | Bor_Ed | yup, I'm working on that |
| 19:37.05 | Grackle` | A lot of things failed too, but this should be enough to finish the install. |
| 19:37.36 | Bor_Ed | you should install the .deb asap and reboot, it'll get the rest of the modules up |
| 19:38.06 | Grackle` | What .deb is this? |
| 19:38.11 | Bor_Ed | the one I sent you |
| 19:38.33 | Grackle` | You send me two kernels.... |
| 19:38.36 | Bor_Ed | it has the kernel and modules |
| 19:38.44 | Bor_Ed | [22:23] [debian] --- | DCC sent file kernel-image-2.6.14_10.00.Custom_powerpc.deb [3MB] for Grackle` in 00:09:28 [7.04kB/s] |
| 19:38.47 | Bor_Ed | ^^ one |
| 19:39.08 | Grackle` | oh |
| 19:39.30 | Grackle` | All I saw was .custo, it must have gotten cut off in os 7. |
| 19:39.52 | Bor_Ed | yea... long filenames are kinda bad on os 7 |
| 19:40.40 | Bor_Ed | anyway, that file should be installed on deb installer to the HD... or if you have better ways to do the trick, please share the info :) |
| 19:41.05 | Grackle` | Yeah it's not working because I put the .deb in /boot. :P |
| 19:41.14 | Bor_Ed | d'oh :D |
| 19:41.44 | Bor_Ed | well, lack of long filenames is good enough excuse this time |
| 19:41.50 | Grackle` | yes hehe |
| 19:43.07 | Bor_Ed | btw, the .deb has vmlinux to the /boot too |
| 19:43.18 | Bor_Ed | it's just not used on bootx |
| 19:44.10 | Grackle` | That went over my head... |
| 19:44.33 | Bor_Ed | just dpkg -i it and reboot with the 2.6.14 you have in bootx :D |
| 19:44.46 | Grackle` | ok :-) |
| 19:49.15 | Grackle` | booting again |
| 19:51.46 | Bor_Ed | prolly couple of less errors on this boot |
| 19:52.01 | Grackle` | uhuh |
| 19:52.25 | Grackle` | It can't configure the base system. :-/ |
| 19:52.57 | Bor_Ed | base-config shouldn't mind on the new kernel... |
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| 20:13.17 | Coutal | are powermacs big endian or little endian? |
| 20:14.09 | ErRandir | big. tho they could run little endian theoretically |
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| 20:17.02 | Bor_Ed | Grackle`: the new kernel build didn't help on buggy fbdev... |
| 20:19.34 | Grackle` | :| |
| 20:21.16 | Bor_Ed | I bet it's just some conf issue... 2.6.12 worked ok but after that the same conf has had the issues |
| 20:22.21 | Bor_Ed | well the X at least works :) |
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| 20:23.12 | Grackle` | Bor_Ed, I remember someone saying that I could ssh into the install system to finish the install... Could I scp the kernel file off the linux box while booted into an install image? |
| 20:23.32 | Bor_Ed | probably... if the sshd is up |
| 20:23.51 | Grackle` | Hmm. They seemed to think it was. I'll boot netinstall and try it. |
| 20:24.08 | Grackle` | Actually, hdinstall because it's faster. If that fails, then netinstall. |
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| 20:25.23 | Bor_Ed | I have sarge rc3 or so mini cd here if I ever have to reinstall boxen :D |
| 20:26.23 | Grackle` | cool |
| 20:26.25 | Grackle` | hang on |
| 20:27.22 | Bor_Ed | btw, beige g3 works with quik too if you want to have standalone sys... downside is that it only works on scsi |
| 20:27.54 | wcstok | bor_ed: eh? |
| 20:28.04 | wcstok | I'm running it on an ide drive with no problems |
| 20:28.28 | Bor_Ed | wcstok: you have 2.0f1 (rev A) or newer box? |
| 20:28.29 | wcstok | (on a beige g3, OF 2.0f1) |
| 20:28.50 | Bor_Ed | wtf??? I haven't been managed to get this to boot off from ide disk yet :o |
| 20:29.23 | Bor_Ed | wcstok: dump nvsetenv output to a file and shoot it this way? |
| 20:30.00 | wcstok | http://bort.homeunix.org/~jwhite/nvram.txt |
| 20:30.51 | Bor_Ed | thanks... |
| 20:31.24 | Bor_Ed | hmm, weird load-base as well as boot-file :o |
| 20:31.48 | wcstok | I was fiddling with netbsd before, they have a list of things to try if it doesnt work at first |
| 20:31.52 | wcstok | that's the one I gave up on |
| 20:31.53 | Bor_Ed | aww, you've got patched OF too... got an url for the nvramrc patch? |
| 20:32.04 | wcstok | I patched it with the mac os system disk |
| 20:32.29 | Bor_Ed | buggr... don't have a working mockos cd here |
| 20:34.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i think you should be able to insert that "nvramrc" in manually... |
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| 20:35.52 | TjNix | hey guys any of you ever tried to upgrade macintosh power book G3 processor? |
| 20:37.40 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: beem there, done that... still didn't boot so I gave up and installed mockos 9.1 and bootx |
| 20:38.44 | wcstok | bor_ed: you have macos already installed? If so just run the system disk util |
| 20:39.01 | wcstok | and wheeee, patched OF (which is still utter trash and I'd take the bios any day) |
| 20:39.33 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I don't have system disk util on the install iirc |
| 20:40.16 | wcstok | can you boot into mac os? |
| 20:40.22 | TjNix | is it possible to install faster CPU on Macintosh power book G3 ??? |
| 20:40.24 | Bor_Ed | unfortunately yes |
| 20:40.24 | wcstok | or just run bootx from it |
| 20:40.29 | wcstok | then you're fine |
| 20:40.46 | wcstok | ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/macosxserver/utilities/SystemDisk2.3.1.smi.bin |
| 20:41.11 | wcstok | run it from in macos, shutdown, don't boot back into macos and you're good to go |
| 20:41.46 | Bor_Ed | I pretty much have to boot back to mockos since I don't have any other bootloader installed |
| 20:42.17 | Bor_Ed | and iirc, the system disk will ruin current OF settings |
| 20:42.17 | wcstok | well, after that you can install quik or something...maybe install quik before patching of |
| 20:42.30 | wcstok | yes, that it will |
| 20:43.39 | wcstok | but in any case, quik does work from ide and on that machine if you want to give it a go *shrug* |
| 20:43.42 | Bor_Ed | so I'll just keep the bootx going on until I get the major HD upgrade and hook up the 850M scsi-II disk back in :) |
| 20:44.21 | wcstok | space=spare |
| 20:44.32 | Bor_Ed | I'm thinking of getting bigger disks here so I can play with mockosx too... not something I'll do on next week but on some day |
| 20:45.00 | Bor_Ed | 2+4G ide disks and 160M ram on this box currently |
| 20:45.59 | wcstok | I've got a 6G scsi, but no cable for it...I guess that's what I get for buying junked out computers |
| 20:46.21 | wcstok | though, who would take the cable and not the drive...morons |
| 20:46.27 | Bor_Ed | I have hella lot scsi 50 pin cables here :) |
| 20:47.39 | wcstok | I've got 4 $10 beige g3s here, except I havent bothered putting 3 of em back together yet |
| 20:47.55 | Bor_Ed | aww |
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| 20:48.20 | Bor_Ed | I paid 30 something euros out of this box |
| 20:48.24 | wcstok | one of em is even the 333mhz tower setup heh |
| 20:48.48 | wcstok | ..which has since been transplanted into a desktop case, silly towers taking up so much space |
| 20:49.04 | Bor_Ed | this one is 233@315... runs still without extra cooling :) |
| 20:52.30 | wcstok | mmm, worth overclocking this...nah |
| 20:52.55 | Bor_Ed | well, it's ~30% speed increase with no sweat :) |
| 20:53.38 | Bor_Ed | overall speed increase was around 23% |
| 21:03.10 | Grackle` | I had my 266 running at 315, but it was unstable. Now I have a 533 G4 in it, and it uses a box fan for cooling. Everything just sits on a cardboard box on my desk, no case at all. |
| 21:03.20 | Grackle` | There's too much stuff connected to it for a case... |
| 21:04.51 | Bor_Ed | I have the 233 without even the loud case fan next to the cpu here... runs stable at 28-37°C on full load |
| 21:05.42 | Grackle` | Not bad. |
| 21:05.50 | Grackle` | I dunno what mine runs at, there's not temp sensors. |
| 21:05.53 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to switch the ram sticks to get the bus up to 83MHz... they were the ones that forced lower bus |
| 21:06.03 | Bor_Ed | cpu has temp sensor built in |
| 21:06.13 | Grackle` | My G4 doesn't seem to. |
| 21:06.21 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.26 | Bor_Ed | temperature : 27 C (uncalibrated) |
| 21:06.29 | Bor_Ed | current here |
| 21:06.33 | Grackle` | Any temp sensor app I have used doesn't seem to be able to find a temp sensor. |
| 21:06.48 | Grackle` | I hae not tried it in linux yet though.. |
| 21:06.51 | Bor_Ed | umm, it's a kernel feature, not lmsensors one |
| 21:07.04 | Grackle` | (only osx) |
| 21:07.17 | Bor_Ed | aww |
| 21:08.02 | Grackle` | I will have to revert to OSX if I can't get Debian installed, but I would really like to have linux. :| |
| 21:08.23 | Grackle` | Not because it's better or anything, I just feel like playing with something else. |
| 21:09.04 | Bor_Ed | I'll get osx here too if/when I upgrade this sys.. on current setup it's way too heavy |
| 21:09.43 | Grackle` | hmm |
| 21:10.04 | Grackle` | It was usable on the 266, but not that great. |
| 21:10.11 | Grackle` | With the 533 G4 it's awesome. |
| 21:10.35 | Grackle` | I could play Quake III with good gfx settings and such. |
| 21:10.47 | Bor_Ed | the osx would be just a toy... I've got pretty strong setup here on linux and I'm about to keep this even after the upgrade |
| 21:11.14 | Grackle` | yeah |
| 21:11.51 | Grackle` | I may end up with OSX back on this box. I'm really not sure. |
| 21:12.18 | Bor_Ed | I |
| 21:12.23 | Grackle` | I've always felt that it's a waste not to run OSX on my macs, so I kinda want to get a PC to put linux on. That way I'll feel that it's the best choice. :P |
| 21:12.40 | Bor_Ed | 've tested mockosX on apple store here and it really hasn't given me anything new |
| 21:13.20 | Grackle` | My next computer will probably be an evalue single board computer. |
| 21:13.39 | Bor_Ed | macromedia flash is about only thing that doesn't work on this setup currently, though that'll change with the new opensource flash player |
| 21:14.05 | Grackle` | Yeah, OSX has some fancy stuff, a little more compatibility with big name programs and such, but if you're already a linux user, there's not really any good reason to switch to it. |
| 21:14.51 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 21:15.37 | Bor_Ed | and I just managed today to get lazarus running here (delphi/kylix compatible opensource setup :) |
| 21:17.15 | Grackle` | cool |
| 21:17.38 | Grackle` | Hmm, so how did you manage to get your kernel out of your /boot directory? |
| 21:18.01 | Grackle` | Did you just put the HD in another linux box? |
| 21:18.07 | Bor_Ed | with hfs fs driver on selfbuilt kernel |
| 21:18.15 | Grackle` | oh |
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| 21:19.42 | Bor_Ed | deb tools just ask for experimenting on own kernels... it's np brainer to compile a kernel and give ita test spin :) |
| 21:20.48 | Grackle` | Gah, I tried to dpkg -i that .deb file, and it failed. |
| 21:21.24 | Bor_Ed | hmm, it should install on sarge, etch and sid :o |
| 21:22.09 | Grackle` | "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 21:22.12 | Grackle` | " |
| 21:23.23 | Bor_Ed | hmm, new one to me :o |
| 21:24.38 | Grackle` | :| |
| 21:34.14 | Bor_Ed | buggr, time to hit the sack... |
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| 22:48.15 | Madkiss | hi all; how do I increase HFS+-partitions? |
| 22:53.19 | Coutal | can anyone here tell me perhaps, why do i get my hfs+ partition mounted as hfs, and all i see is "where have all my files gone" file? |
| 22:53.24 | Coutal | i'm using kernel 2.6.13 |
| 22:55.17 | Curalton | Coutal: linux should have native hfs / hfs+ support, check dmesg output |
| 22:55.44 | Curalton | Madkiss: but iirc there are no resize tools, maybe use the OS X partitioner, if that supports resizing |
| 22:55.58 | Coutal | well it seems to detect it as hfs |
| 22:56.10 | Coutal | as dmesg reports hfs-fs: ... |
| 22:57.14 | Curalton | state type explicit: -t hfsplus or just hfs and see.. |
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| 22:58.11 | Coutal | okay, that did it. thanks :) |
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| 22:58.47 | Coutal | but now i have another question. i am trying to compile a piece of software that uses outw/inw macros under ppc, and it expects sys/io.h, which does not exist under ppc. what can i do about it? |
| 23:06.29 | BrujOxEs | any one haves the linux2.6.13.2 patch plz ? |
| 23:06.35 | Coutal | nm found the config option that disables it |
| 23:06.36 | BrujOxEs | cant find it |
| 23:06.39 | BrujOxEs | :/ |
| 23:07.39 | Coutal | why do you need it in particular? |
| 23:09.19 | BrujOxEs | i have 2.6.8 ppc |
| 23:09.24 | BrujOxEs | :| |
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| 23:10.42 | BrujOxEs | and i have problems with se sound ... and dont know why |
| 23:10.44 | BrujOxEs | so |
| 23:10.47 | BrujOxEs | that why |
| 23:10.52 | BrujOxEs | damn.. |
| 23:11.17 | BrujOxEs | im lost here |
| 23:11.52 | SimonRaven | explain the problem, then someone can help |
| 23:13.43 | Curalton | BrujOxEs: 2.6.13 is on kernel.org, then get the .2 patch for it |
| 23:14.30 | BrujOxEs | is the same for i386 than for ppc ? |
| 23:15.07 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 23:15.22 | BrujOxEs | :O |
| 23:15.25 | BrujOxEs | :D |
| 23:15.27 | SimonRaven | all kernels no matter what arch are built from the same source |
| 23:15.30 | BrujOxEs | thnks |
| 23:15.32 | BrujOxEs | :D |
| 23:15.43 | BrujOxEs | i didnt know that |
| 23:16.16 | Curalton | you still have to compile it though |
| 23:16.28 | SimonRaven | cd <your kernel source>; ls -l arch | wc -l |
| 23:16.42 | SimonRaven | that'll tell you how many arches there are |
| 23:17.15 | Coutal | SimonRaven: there's even more if you count xen as more than one arch |
| 23:17.21 | Coutal | and/or uml |
| 23:17.28 | BrujOxEs | ok |
| 23:18.03 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 23:18.25 | SimonRaven | then if you also count sub-arches, it gets crazy ;) |
| 23:19.24 | BrujOxEs | :) |
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| 23:56.08 | KB1FYR | Who here is running 2.6.8 on a beige G3? |
| 23:56.26 | KB1FYR | e |
| 23:57.03 | BrujOxEs | im on a blue one |
| 23:57.10 | BrujOxEs | g3 |
| 23:57.43 | KB1FYR | hmm |
| 23:57.50 | KB1FYR | Can I have your kernel file from /boot? |
| 23:58.46 | KB1FYR | I can't get mine off my HD, but I can put stuff on to it (with wget)... I need some way of finishing the install. I can install the base system, but in order to finish it I need to boot up using bootx and the new kernel. |
| 23:59.10 | KB1FYR | I can't get the new kernel off of it, but I can put one on it... |
| 23:59.25 | SimonRaven | KB1FYR: i can unpack a kernel deb for you and you can wget it from here |
| 23:59.43 | KB1FYR | okay |