| 00:00.24 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 00:00.57 | KB1FYR | er wait |
| 00:01.10 | SimonRaven | what? |
| 00:01.13 | KB1FYR | nvm that |
| 00:01.16 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 00:01.39 | SimonRaven | np, happens to everyone :) |
| 00:02.36 | BrujOxEs | lol |
| 00:05.55 | BrujOxEs | incopatible pointer type dice... |
| 00:05.56 | BrujOxEs | :S |
| 00:06.13 | KB1FYR | SimonRaven, can you just DCC it to me? I have to put it on my macos9 partition for bootx anyway, and I can wget it from my own server. |
| 00:08.15 | KB1FYR | SimonRaven? |
| 00:08.36 | SimonRaven | yeh, sec |
| 00:08.48 | KB1FYR | okay |
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| 00:17.43 | KB1FYR | doot |
| 00:19.33 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/kernel/kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc_2.6.8-12_powerpc/boot/ |
| 00:20.28 | KB1FYR | Awesome, ty. |
| 00:20.59 | KB1FYR | Should I use all of that stuff? |
| 00:21.04 | KB1FYR | Or just the kernel file? |
| 00:22.19 | SimonRaven | vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc |
| 00:22.45 | SimonRaven | you should probably probably fetch everything, if it's not installed. |
| 00:22.54 | SimonRaven | debian version is 12 |
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| 00:37.30 | Grackle` | Bleh I have to reinstall before I can try that kernel... |
| 00:38.41 | BrujOxEs | assigment for incopatible pointer type |
| 00:38.43 | BrujOxEs | damn |
| 00:45.38 | Grackle` | Whee, the kernel that I chose turned out to be 2.6.8 -12, lucky me. :P |
| 00:48.17 | SimonRaven | wee |
| 00:48.25 | SimonRaven | no unresolved symbols |
| 00:48.27 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 00:56.44 | Grackle` | Hmm SimonRaven, I still get the same error about not being able to find the root partition. |
| 00:57.05 | SimonRaven | try passing root= options |
| 00:57.10 | SimonRaven | option* |
| 00:57.23 | Grackle` | I hav root=/dev/hda2 |
| 00:57.31 | Grackle` | (hda2 is the root partition...) |
| 00:57.41 | SimonRaven | you need the initrd loaded too |
| 00:57.55 | SimonRaven | 'ramdisk' in bootx |
| 00:57.56 | Grackle` | Okay, I'll get that from you then. |
| 00:58.09 | SimonRaven | stick it in with the kernels |
| 00:58.34 | Grackle` | So I choose the initrd, and use a root= in the kernel args? |
| 00:59.10 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 00:59.17 | Grackle` | Oh, you didn't upload your initrd.gz... |
| 00:59.27 | SimonRaven | oh, sec |
| 00:59.30 | Grackle` | k |
| 01:02.41 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 01:03.05 | Grackle` | Hmm? |
| 01:04.23 | SimonRaven | just wondering what they're doing with the initrd... |
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| 01:06.31 | Grackle` | As in where they keep it? |
| 01:06.32 | SimonRaven | they build it on-the-fly during installation |
| 01:06.48 | SimonRaven | AFAICT |
| 01:06.53 | Grackle` | Oh.. |
| 01:06.57 | Grackle` | Hmm. |
| 01:06.58 | SimonRaven | hold on, installing it on a ppc box |
| 01:07.01 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 01:07.12 | Grackle` | haha, awesome :D |
| 01:09.13 | SimonRaven | done |
| 01:11.21 | SimonRaven | my workstation is an x86 :|. i'd rather have an 8500 or 9500 or something like that (or more modern). but can't refuse free ;) |
| 01:13.05 | SimonRaven | hit reload ;) |
| 01:13.20 | Grackle` | woot ty |
| 01:13.35 | SimonRaven | np |
| 01:14.32 | Grackle` | So this should make it work then? |
| 01:14.39 | SimonRaven | well, this workstation was an attempt at separating my personal stuff from one of the servers, heh. workstation+server, doesn't mix very well. conflicting needs |
| 01:14.42 | SimonRaven | should |
| 01:15.37 | Grackle` | Yeah, my friend was is doing that (workstation-server) with windows (ick), so it inevitably got viruses/spyware from browsing, which also infected the files he was server. Oh joy. |
| 01:15.54 | Grackle` | serving* |
| 01:18.07 | SimonRaven | i still have a hard time imagining a windoze box as a server. the thought scares me |
| 01:18.24 | Grackle` | Gah! |
| 01:18.26 | SimonRaven | gives me shudders |
| 01:18.50 | Grackle` | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:19.09 | Grackle` | That was right after /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 01:19.19 | SimonRaven | still problem with initrd |
| 01:19.36 | SimonRaven | hmm, sec |
| 01:19.48 | Grackle` | k |
| 01:20.16 | demon | er... are you sure that it's not that you don't have /dev/console on your real root filesystem? |
| 01:21.49 | Grackle` | demon, booting into hdinstall, I'll check. |
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| 01:22.28 | SimonRaven | no, usually that's initrd problem |
| 01:24.04 | Grackle` | I have a /dev/console. |
| 01:24.24 | SimonRaven | might be issues with sid vs. sarge too, or other stuff. looking at it now |
| 01:25.41 | SimonRaven | i still have a sarge chroot, i'll do it there if need be |
| 01:25.58 | Grackle` | okay |
| 01:26.56 | SimonRaven | nah, not that. sh still symlinks to dash |
| 01:27.43 | SimonRaven | mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc /mnt/kernel # ;) |
| 01:28.31 | Grackle` | You want me to do that while booted into the hdinstall? |
| 01:30.05 | SimonRaven | no, just what i did to mount the initrd |
| 01:30.26 | SimonRaven | i don't see any problems... what did you do exactly? |
| 01:31.26 | Grackle` | What do you mean? I told bootx to use that initrd file you gave me, and to use the kernel you gave me... It booted, found the root filesystem, then pissed itself with the aformentioned error. |
| 01:32.51 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 01:33.42 | Grackle` | SimonRaven, should I have put that initrd file on my HD too, or can I use the one the installer gave me? |
| 01:33.55 | Grackle` | on my HD as in on my linux partition.. |
| 01:34.08 | SimonRaven | won't hurt |
| 01:34.50 | SimonRaven | (the former) |
| 01:35.28 | Grackle` | ok |
| 01:40.02 | Grackle` | reboot... |
| 01:42.12 | Grackle` | SimonRaven: Nogo, tried to kill init again. |
| 01:42.37 | SimonRaven | same dev/console prob? |
| 01:42.42 | Grackle` | yes |
| 01:42.52 | Grackle` | actually, there seem to be two problems |
| 01:42.55 | Grackle` | There were before too... |
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| 01:43.15 | Grackle` | before it says the dev/console thing, it says pivot_rroot: No such file or directory |
| 01:43.32 | SimonRaven | well, at this point, what i'd do is fetch the .deb, and install it in you system, from chroot. just to make sure the initrd creation on another machine isn't causing problems |
| 01:43.43 | SimonRaven | on your* |
| 01:44.07 | Grackle` | chroot? |
| 01:44.37 | Grackle` | I'm assuming I have to boot into the installer... |
| 01:44.49 | SimonRaven | boot from floppy; run hardware detect if using sarge floppies; go to vt 2; chroot .... |
| 01:44.53 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 01:44.57 | Grackle` | oh |
| 01:45.05 | Grackle` | From a floppy? :-/ |
| 01:45.14 | Grackle` | Must I do it from a floppy? |
| 01:45.23 | Grackle` | Can I do it from the hdinstall image? |
| 01:49.01 | demon | what kind of machine is it? |
| 01:49.07 | demon | oldworld ppc? |
| 01:50.00 | Grackle` | yeah |
| 01:50.08 | Grackle` | beige g3 |
| 01:53.52 | SimonRaven | oh, yeh |
| 01:54.10 | SimonRaven | rather surprised it doesn't have a floppy though |
| 01:54.13 | SimonRaven | AFK |
| 01:54.25 | Grackle` | k |
| 02:07.52 | wcstok | you could netboot, though I'm not sure if debian supports that =/ |
| 02:08.28 | demon | debian does, yeah... I think there's even a COFF kernel just for the purpose |
| 02:22.04 | Grackle` | Hmm, I was able to boot from an older kernel. It didn't work quite right because I installed with a new kernel, but I think I can make it work if I install an old kernel. |
| 02:22.15 | Grackle` | I'll need someone to help me though... |
| 02:22.56 | Grackle` | Someone to unpack and host the files from the kernel.deb file I choose... |
| 02:24.33 | wcstok | details man details =P |
| 02:25.28 | Grackle` | Hang on, I need to install and pick one. |
| 02:26.11 | Grackle` | It's installing now, I'll tell you what I need in a few minutes (assuming you're going to help). |
| 02:27.07 | Grackle` | SimonRaven did it here, using kernel-image-2.6.8... http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/kernel/ |
| 02:27.47 | wcstok | so are you set with that or do you need something hosted |
| 02:29.43 | Grackle` | I need something hosted, but I am not sure what yet. |
| 02:30.05 | Grackle` | Hmm. |
| 02:30.30 | Grackle` | Hmm... |
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| 02:31.16 | Grackle` | hi |
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| 02:39.59 | Grackle` | Gah, how do I make it ask me what kernel I want... Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't... |
| 02:40.44 | wcstok | kick it |
| 02:46.53 | Grackle` | kernel-image-powerpc is the .deb archive I need hosted... |
| 02:47.09 | Grackle` | It seems... |
| 02:48.21 | wcstok | link to the .deb? |
| 02:49.19 | wcstok | or rather, from what version |
| 02:54.26 | Grackle` | Here wcstok: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-powerpc |
| 02:57.52 | wcstok | hrm, any hint on how to extract this thing, I do a dpkg -x on it and get a changelog and a copyright notice |
| 02:59.17 | Grackle` | Hmmmm... |
| 02:59.49 | Grackle` | It didn't put the files in your /boot directory, did it? That's where they go. |
| 03:00.12 | Grackle` | I don't know if extracting it causes the files to go where they're supposed to, or if some other dpkg util does that. |
| 03:00.17 | wcstok | it created a /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-powerpc dir |
| 03:00.25 | Grackle` | oh |
| 03:01.17 | wcstok | the .deb is only 2k, I'm missing something here |
| 03:01.54 | Grackle` | Oh, lame. It's just a virtual package that depends on the actual kernel package. |
| 03:02.34 | wcstok | which is http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc it seems |
| 03:03.52 | wcstok | that one's slightly larger heh |
| 03:04.32 | Grackle` | Yeah, that's what I used before and it didn't work. |
| 03:04.35 | Grackle` | Get this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.4.27-powerpc |
| 03:07.11 | wcstok | want an ftp or http host |
| 03:07.19 | Grackle` | Doesn't matter. |
| 03:07.41 | Grackle` | http might be more foolproof. |
| 03:07.56 | wcstok | and already setup, no ftp installed here |
| 03:08.11 | wcstok | http://bort.homeunix.org/~jwhite/debian |
| 03:09.21 | Grackle` | okay cool |
| 03:09.36 | Grackle` | Jake White? |
| 03:10.20 | wcstok | Jim, Nebraska |
| 03:11.43 | Grackle` | Heh. |
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| 03:48.12 | SimonRaven | Grackle`: i'm going to leave it there as long as necessary |
| 03:48.49 | SimonRaven | oh never mind then |
| 03:49.09 | SimonRaven | it'll stay up anyway |
| 03:49.17 | wcstok | can I take it down yet =P |
| 03:51.39 | SimonRaven | i'll unpack the the 2.4.27 one, at l;east you don't need an initrd (i think, lemme check first) |
| 03:53.17 | wcstok | or is too enamored with his shiny new 2.4.27 system to bother speaking with us mere mortals |
| 03:53.26 | wcstok | (2.4.31 here =P ) |
| 03:58.32 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 04:01.38 | SimonRaven | well, i'm tarballing those 2, it's taking up a lot of web space |
| 04:02.04 | SimonRaven | s/it's/they're/ |
| 04:02.50 | SimonRaven | i know for a fact that mock os and os x have tools to decompress a tarball |
| 04:04.21 | SimonRaven | .debs are a different story. i don't know of any ar for mock os |
| 04:26.09 | Grackle` | whoops sorry |
| 04:26.22 | Grackle` | Nah, it didn't work. You can take it down. |
| 04:26.28 | Grackle` | I'm installing OSX. |
| 04:26.54 | wcstok | hah, he gave in! |
| 04:26.55 | Grackle` | I'll have to wait until I get a new comp for linux. |
| 04:27.00 | Grackle` | Yeah, he did. |
| 04:27.27 | Grackle` | I've spent 40 hours in the last 4 days trying to get this working, I think I'm beat. |
| 04:29.11 | wcstok | what are you trying to install it on |
| 04:29.22 | Grackle` | A beige G3. |
| 04:29.56 | wcstok | install woody on it, works nicely =/ |
| 04:30.08 | Grackle` | The problem is that I need to get the initrd and kernel off of the linux HD and onto the hfs HD so that I can use them with bootx to boot, but there was no way to do that. |
| 04:30.29 | Grackle` | Meh I don't want to download another 650MB ISO on my 128kbps connection. |
| 04:30.56 | wcstok | eh, cant you boot with the installer floppy or whatever, then just switch to a different vt once it loads...setup the network and upload your kernel bits somewhere |
| 04:31.30 | wcstok | beige g3s dont have live cds, but we got live floppies! |
| 04:31.36 | Grackle` | I didn't know I could do that. Oh well. |
| 04:32.15 | wcstok | when you hit alt-f2 alt-f3 alf-f4...that's a different vt (virtual term) |
| 04:32.27 | Grackle` | Ohh. |
| 04:32.40 | Grackle` | No, I can't upload. There is no util for uploading. |
| 04:32.56 | Grackle` | Not in the hdinstall or netinstall isos anyway. |
| 04:33.03 | Grackle` | er |
| 04:33.05 | Grackle` | s/isos/images |
| 04:33.29 | wcstok | is the system already installed? |
| 04:33.37 | wcstok | you just need to be able to boot right? |
| 04:33.43 | Grackle` | Yeah. |
| 04:34.10 | wcstok | ok, once you boot the system from floppies, mount your / and /proc, then chroot into it |
| 04:34.13 | Grackle` | Well not anymore, I'm 75% done installing OS 10.3 base/ |
| 04:34.18 | wcstok | then you have access to whatever was there |
| 04:34.21 | wcstok | but not anymore =P |
| 04:34.42 | Grackle` | Base system doesn't have ftp or ssh. |
| 04:34.57 | wcstok | it has apt-get =) |
| 04:35.15 | Grackle` | apt-get didn't seem to work.. |
| 04:35.50 | Grackle` | Hmm, well I will try it on this box then. |
| 04:36.01 | wcstok | heh, that machine really wants to be difficult doesn't it |
| 04:36.04 | Grackle` | This box = PowerComputing PowerCenter Pro 210 |
| 04:36.39 | Grackle` | Yeah, everything that could screw up did, and then some. |
| 04:37.13 | wcstok | reminds me of my netbsd attempts |
| 04:38.03 | Grackle` | Heh, I think I was able to install netbsd on my powercomputing box. I can't remember if I succeeded or not. |
| 04:38.57 | wcstok | I got it to isntall once on this g3, then I wanted to move it to a bigger hd...and proceded to totally screw it up. Havent gotten it to install since |
| 04:39.09 | Grackle` | haha' |
| 04:39.19 | Grackle` | Figures.. |
| 04:40.14 | Grackle` | I am (hopefully) going to get an evalue ESS-2610 for christmas or some time after then, I will put debian on it. |
| 04:40.45 | Grackle` | The ESS-3610 is a 1GHz VIA EPIA C3 on a 3.5" SBC. |
| 04:41.02 | Grackle` | In a case with full cabling and such. |
| 04:41.33 | Grackle` | evalue also sells just the mobo, but I'll need a case and cabling so I figured I'd go with the full computer.. |
| 04:41.44 | Grackle` | Oh, and PSU.. |
| 04:42.34 | Grackle` | Ooo, and I'm going to get a Zaurus SL-5600. :-) |
| 04:43.18 | Grackle` | Zauruses kick ass.. |
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| 06:42.37 | Bor_Ed | htm... got to check ou thte deb kernels conf to see if it'd work |
| 06:47.00 | SimonRaven | makefile seems sane, so does the script, though like someone else said, i bet k-p does it better |
| 06:56.09 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.14 here and console buggr has some driver issue |
| 07:02.11 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i could say that too... |
| 07:02.29 | Bor_Ed | got to try now with debian .config |
| 07:03.42 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: LCD got blanked and i had to "sudo fblevel on" |
| 07:03.58 | Bor_Ed | I'd really rather use 1280 console than 1024 X with stretched xterm |
| 07:06.40 | Bor_Ed | geebus, debian 2.6.12-1 config doesn't have half of the stuff that's on 2.6.14 :) |
| 07:08.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: define "stretched xterm"? |
| 07:09.07 | Bor_Ed | 168x54 chars |
| 07:10.29 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i keep my rxvt default at 90x55... |
| 07:11.04 | Bor_Ed | I have only this remote session on big window... rest are the normal 80x24 |
| 07:23.56 | Bor_Ed | geebus, Delphi 2: Developer's Guide 83.40 euros on dataclub :/ |
| 07:25.22 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you could get about 2 1/3 Redwall books with that amount |
| 07:26.14 | Bor_Ed | eh? |
| 07:26.41 | Bor_Ed | I think I'll just grab the pdf from o'reillys site :) |
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| 07:29.01 | Bor_Ed | bah, they want money nowadays from ebooks |
| 07:43.21 | Bor_Ed | time to report a bug to lkml? |
| 07:43.48 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: or to "linuxppc-dev"... |
| 07:44.03 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 07:47.02 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: do i have to subscribe to be able to send...? |
| 07:48.04 | Bor_Ed | probably |
| 07:48.33 | Bor_Ed | yea, I had to subscribe back in the day I sent there some issue |
| 07:48.44 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i do not want to subscribe, i have enough work on dealing with messages i receive already :) |
| 07:49.32 | Bor_Ed | hehe, lkml ain't _that_ active, really :) |
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| 08:21.38 | chi | pahartik: AFAIR there's no solution so far. |
| 08:21.57 | chi | pahartik: haven't checked for 2.6.14 final, though |
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| 08:29.51 | VoltageX | :( every time I try to put kernel 2.6 onto my tangerine imac it dies... |
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| 09:14.04 | SimonRaven | pahartik: did the Fn bug creep in with .14, or is it an older issue? |
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| 14:37.32 | mooch | hi |
| 14:37.45 | mooch | any clues on how to make dri working in an ibook ? ;) |
| 14:39.26 | mooch | glxinfo spits: Direct rendering: no |
| 14:41.10 | pahartik | mooch: depending on iBook model, "dri-trunk-sid-2004.02.28" may help |
| 14:42.47 | mooch | g4 12" pre-feb2005 |
| 14:43.30 | pahartik | mooch: then it should work with that |
| 14:44.55 | mooch | xlibmesa-dri was missing... ;) |
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| 16:07.32 | eddyp | any idea what do I need to compile in order to have DRI with svenl's experimental xorg packages? |
| 16:07.48 | eddyp | it was something related to mesa.... |
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| 16:49.21 | SimonRaven | eddyp: xlibmesa something |
| 16:49.29 | SimonRaven | reDFog: i warned you |
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| 16:49.53 | eddyp | :)) |
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| 19:03.17 | jc-denton | hi all |
| 19:03.27 | jc-denton | does anybody here use that airport extreme driver? |
| 19:03.40 | jc-denton | my ppc g5 is hanging on wlan |
| 19:04.02 | jc-denton | so if i want to install it i would ned a media which supports airport extreme |
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| 20:26.59 | tescoil | lo? |
| 20:27.56 | tescoil | Is ISO 9660 an acceptable image setting burning a live ISO for ppc on an x86 platform? |
| 20:28.18 | tescoil | I don't have the ppc immediately available to just give it a whack. |
| 20:45.20 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 20:45.21 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 20:45.25 | SimonRaven | tescoil: ^^^ |
| 20:45.46 | _rene_ | woody still is mentioned there? lol |
| 20:46.07 | tescoil | tnx |
| 20:46.29 | SimonRaven | @factinfo install guide |
| 20:46.29 | ravenbird | install guide -- last modified at Tue Jun 7 22:34:17 2005 by simonrvn!simon@simonrvn.user; it has been requested 20 times, last by SimonRaven, 1m 9s ago. |
| 20:46.38 | SimonRaven | lastmod june 7 |
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| 22:07.01 | piro | hi all |
| 22:07.05 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 22:07.09 | piro | :) |
| 22:07.46 | piro | by mistake i exited the configuration "thing" of exim4, and it took me to the terminale ! |
| 22:07.51 | piro | how to get back to the installation ? ^^ |
| 22:10.21 | SimonRaven | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:11.21 | piro | thx :D |
| 22:11.56 | piro | but it says Command not found :/ |
| 22:12.03 | piro | SimonRaven :/ |
| 22:12.05 | SimonRaven | as root |
| 22:12.06 | Bor_Ed | as su/root |
| 22:12.19 | piro | ok, and how can i log as root ? |
| 22:12.25 | SimonRaven | the $PATH is different for root |
| 22:12.32 | SimonRaven | man su. su - |
| 22:12.35 | Bor_Ed | su -c'command thingies you want to run' |
| 22:12.37 | piro | k thx |
| 22:12.47 | piro | thx everyone ^^ |
| 22:13.41 | SimonRaven | i would suggest installing sudo, then run visudo, which will enable you to edit it safely, and add your user under the entry for root in that file - just copy it exactly, except for the name |
| 22:40.17 | piro | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 22:40.20 | piro | oops |
| 22:40.22 | piro | sry |
| 22:40.57 | piro | i messed up my x server configuration while doing a apt-get install x-window-system-core, and i can get bac to the first step, how can i do that ? |
| 22:41.02 | piro | by uninstalling x server ? |
| 22:43.39 | Curalton | dpkg-reconfigure <package> usually asks the config questions again |
| 22:44.17 | piro | ok thanks ^^ |
| 22:45.31 | piro | it doesn't work, i'm trying apt-get remove <package> |
| 22:46.07 | piro | well, doesn't reconfigure neither :/ |
| 22:47.19 | piro | don't tell me i have to reinstall debian ^^ |
| 22:49.43 | Curalton | apt-get remove --purge the program, then apt-get install it |
| 22:49.50 | Curalton | purge also removes any configfiles |
| 22:51.41 | piro | ^^ |
| 22:51.44 | piro | thx |
| 22:52.36 | piro | still it's not opening the configuration "thing" |
| 22:52.36 | piro | :/ |
| 22:52.52 | _rene_ | because you probably just purged x-window-system-core |
| 22:53.11 | _rene_ | instead of xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg because that's what the real package is |
| 22:53.31 | _rene_ | x-window-system-core is just a package for convienience to install are core components of X |
| 22:53.52 | _rene_ | as the descriptions says. WTF DON'T PEOPLE EVEN READ ANYMORE |
| 22:54.14 | piro | ooow |
| 22:54.19 | Q-FUNK | they never do |
| 22:54.22 | piro | ^^ |
| 22:54.29 | piro | hihi sry and thx |
| 22:54.29 | piro | ^^ |
| 22:57.45 | piro | works ! u rock :p |
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| 23:05.55 | piro | damn i can't find the Bus ID of my graphic card, to configure xserver |
| 23:05.56 | piro | :/ |
| 23:06.06 | piro | i'm running on an iBook g4 12'' |
| 23:07.31 | Curalton | lspci, then convert decimal to hex or vice versa |
| 23:11.16 | pahartik | piro: i have 'BusID "PCI:0:16:0"' on late 2004 iBook G4 |
| 23:11.31 | piro | thx :) |
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| 23:24.37 | lsald | has anyone installed ibm java? |
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| 23:29.08 | Coutal | Bor_Ed, pahartik: i may have found the cause for the vertical band distortion. i am compiling a kernel with a supposed fix now. i'm afraid i'll damage my hardware, but i'll give it a shot :) |
| 23:31.08 | SimonRaven | i haven't had any significant problems with 2.6.14 |
| 23:31.57 | Coutal | SimonRaven: on G3/PowerMac 5500/6500 framebuffer? |
| 23:32.07 | Coutal | this problem is specific to Rage II cards |
| 23:32.25 | Coutal | i do wonder if it applies to i386 as well - but i don't have access to such a card. |
| 23:32.35 | Coutal | s/g3/beige g3 |
| 23:32.41 | SimonRaven | this one is a power tower pro, the mobo is a 9500 equivalent, with ati mach64 rage lt pro as video |
| 23:32.53 | Coutal | that's not the same card at all. |
| 23:32.59 | SimonRaven | nope |
| 23:33.26 | Coutal | well, it's compiling as we speak, i'm pretty sure it will be harmless, but i have no idea whether it'll fix the problem. |
| 23:35.19 | Coutal | i guess it will be at least an hour before this finishes to compile... the box might also be busy sharing files |
| 23:35.24 | SimonRaven | i had problem with oopsing jfs kernel thread (i think, or some function to clean out unclean fs or something). patch worked nicely. they usually have a good fix. i wonder why they don't just fix it then =) |
| 23:35.51 | Coutal | SimonRaven: it's the first time *i* edit the source :) |
| 23:36.00 | SimonRaven | takes 1.5 hour give or take for the upgraded pt pro (g3/300; bus speed isn't much more than 45 MHz) |
| 23:36.44 | Coutal | although the only thing i've done is comment a line which i think causes the problem, i'm still a bit twitching |
| 23:37.18 | Coutal | and considering the fact i barely know any C... |
| 23:38.11 | SimonRaven | same here. i was trying to fix away an extension to C that gcc 4 bitches about (rightly, it's not ansi c) |
| 23:38.39 | SimonRaven | having not much luck, then i 'stumble' on the fix... *relief* |
| 23:39.09 | Coutal | but i may have just gotten this one right. it looks pretty suspicious. there's a nice routine that tries to guess what value to put to the clock register, and then next line somebody just overrides it with a static value, which was just not present in the previous version that worked. |
| 23:39.38 | SimonRaven | oops |
| 23:40.57 | Coutal | but then again, noone promises that the code that runs before it may not have been modified bad enough that it now doesn't get the right value into this register |
| 23:41.15 | Coutal | sending the chip's clock haywire and making this box a doorstop. |
| 23:41.24 | SimonRaven | what is this exactly? some fbdev thing? |
| 23:41.31 | Coutal | atyfb |
| 23:41.34 | Coutal | yeah |
| 23:41.35 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
| 23:41.42 | SimonRaven | ouch |
| 23:42.00 | Coutal | i'm pretty optimistic though |
| 23:42.15 | SimonRaven | must be specific to that card, 'cause the pt pro uses the same driver |
| 23:42.35 | Coutal | this driver is kinda monolithic. lots of quite different cards put into it |
| 23:42.49 | Coutal | there's a "generation" jump between rage II and rage II+ |
| 23:42.51 | SimonRaven | yeh, it is. little like snd-powermac =) |
| 23:43.12 | SimonRaven | (though the latter is mre a codec...) |
| 23:43.18 | SimonRaven | more* |
| 23:44.11 | SimonRaven | well, good luck |
| 23:44.11 | Coutal | but i really would feel much better if there was a framebuffer guru somewhere to ask |
| 23:44.21 | Coutal | thanks |
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| 23:45.06 | SimonRaven | well benh is present, maybe you can ask him - #mklinux |
| 23:47.26 | Coutal | actually, i think i just thought of something |
| 23:47.40 | Coutal | is x86 little endian or big endian? |
| 23:47.46 | SimonRaven | LE |
| 23:48.23 | Coutal | so this may just be an endian thing - that static value might need to be converted to LE first. |
| 23:48.52 | SimonRaven | pci is LE, but on a ppc, the cpu side is converted to BE |
| 23:50.29 | Coutal | i don't see benh in #mklinux |
| 23:50.54 | SimonRaven | oh he left, sorry |
| 23:51.01 | Coutal | oh well |