| 00:12.59 | Coutal | SimonRaven: he came back |
| 00:13.24 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 00:13.46 | Coutal | but i don't know him at all |
| 00:13.53 | Coutal | i'm a bit embrassed |
| 00:14.12 | Coutal | do you know him? |
| 00:16.44 | Coutal | do you just go about interrupting a kernel developer with a (possibly very dumb) question? |
| 00:20.53 | SimonRaven | just ask. he's a nice person |
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| 00:25.38 | Coutal | oh well. i suppose he's busy or something |
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| 00:30.53 | pahartik | Coutal: busy is good |
| 00:39.09 | Coutal | he answered me now. but he doesn't have a concise answer yet. |
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| 00:54.04 | Grackle` | hi |
| 00:54.46 | Grackle` | Who was it that suggested how to get debian to work on my beige G3, and then I said "oh well I'm installing OSX now" or something. |
| 00:55.06 | Grackle` | They suggested how to get it to work, but I was halfway through the install anyway.. |
| 00:55.44 | Grackle` | whee |
| 00:55.48 | Grackle` | What did you suggest? |
| 00:56.08 | wcstok | boot off the installer floppy, mount your existing system in /target or something, chroot into it |
| 00:56.25 | Grackle` | My OSX install got borked when I changed the cache speed (crashed and fuxed the HD), so I might as well try debian again. |
| 00:56.31 | Grackle` | chroot into it? What is that? |
| 00:56.43 | wcstok | chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 00:57.01 | wcstok | will make (as far as the system is concerned on that vt anyways) /target become / |
| 00:57.07 | Grackle` | oh ok |
| 00:57.30 | Grackle` | So could I finish the install from there? |
| 00:58.08 | Grackle` | Or at least set up my network device and get my initrd onto another computer,... |
| 00:58.09 | wcstok | yes...or you could grab the kernel and whatever else you need from there for bootx if you're still using that |
| 00:58.13 | wcstok | yeah |
| 00:58.35 | Grackle` | Okay I will do that. |
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| 00:59.22 | wcstok | you'd probably be happier getting a real bootloader working though heh |
| 00:59.46 | wcstok | well, if you can call any OF loader a bootloader...damn cranky things |
| 01:01.32 | Grackle` | I don't mind bootx... Besides, quik is not known to work with beige G3s. |
| 01:01.40 | wcstok | eh |
| 01:01.42 | wcstok | yes it is |
| 01:01.50 | Grackle` | Really..? |
| 01:01.57 | Grackle` | o.o |
| 01:02.53 | wcstok | I've got it working on the 2.0f1 OF, it didnt want to cooperate with 2.4 |
| 01:02.57 | demon | did they incorporate the first stage loader fixes into the mainline version of quik so that the G3 OWs will work? |
| 01:03.18 | Coutal | why use quik and not bootx? |
| 01:03.22 | demon | last I knew, there was still a replacement file you had to grab to make it work on G3s |
| 01:03.29 | wcstok | because I dont have a working macos installation |
| 01:03.33 | demon | because you don't want MacOS, or have it? |
| 01:03.46 | Grackle` | Oh, I have a working MacOS install, and I will keep it. |
| 01:04.09 | Coutal | i don't want macos either. but i'm willing to trade off something like 200mb or so, to be able to boot to something other than ext2. |
| 01:04.33 | wcstok | you could boot ext3 =) |
| 01:04.36 | demon | dual booting with quik can be a bitch though, since MacOS likes to stomp on OF settings it doesn't particularly like |
| 01:04.45 | Grackle` | haha |
| 01:05.06 | Coutal | besides the macos installation makes a good reference to see if my hardware went defunct or it's a linux code problem |
| 01:05.10 | wcstok | yeah but if you have macos installed already, bootx is far the better option |
| 01:05.20 | Coutal | because i had problems with both my video card and my network card with linux |
| 01:05.38 | demon | I should boot up my 7500 |
| 01:06.03 | wcstok | when I bought these boxes (4 of em), 2 had working mac os 8.5 installations on 4g harddrives...I've used that to run the system disk util, and those hds are safely packed away in case I need em |
| 01:06.17 | wcstok | the working machine now has a 20g hd I had laying around in it =) |
| 01:06.30 | Coutal | this box came with a 2 gb drive, which i replaced with 80g. |
| 01:07.44 | Coutal | i also installed OS X 10.2 on it with XPF, but it was too slow to do anything |
| 01:16.46 | Coutal | my kernel compilation is almost complete. all that's left is the sound modules |
| 01:29.13 | Grackle` | Rebooting. |
| 01:29.48 | Grackle` | (the box I'm installing debian on, not this one) |
| 01:31.14 | piem | howdy |
| 01:31.27 | Grackle` | Heya. |
| 01:32.05 | piem | could someone with an ibook g4 tell me what gives 'dmesg | grep ^hda:\ Enab'? |
| 01:32.13 | Grackle` | Time to try the new plan of action. :-) |
| 01:34.36 | wcstok | ? |
| 01:35.01 | Grackle` | I chrooted into the newly installed partition... |
| 01:35.12 | Grackle` | What do I do to invoke the installer to finish the install? |
| 01:35.42 | wcstok | don't, just pull the kernel out, slap it into bootx, and reboot again |
| 01:35.42 | Grackle` | Or what can I do to get initrd and vmlinux uploaded onto an ftp server? |
| 01:35.48 | Grackle` | How..? |
| 01:35.53 | wcstok | actually you shouldn't been the initrd |
| 01:36.07 | wcstok | shouldn't *need* the initrd even |
| 01:36.25 | Grackle` | No, I need it, it has modules to mount root. If I don't have it, I can't mount root. |
| 01:36.37 | wcstok | what is your root fs |
| 01:36.42 | piem | wcstok: does it not depend on what filesystem he chose? |
| 01:36.52 | Grackle` | ext3 /part2 |
| 01:36.59 | wcstok | it depends if he has his root fs compiled into the kernel or not |
| 01:37.21 | Grackle` | IDE... |
| 01:37.25 | wcstok | heh, you know what would almost be easier |
| 01:37.32 | wcstok | you say it's a beige g3? |
| 01:37.35 | Grackle` | yeah |
| 01:37.41 | piem | Grackle`: ext3 should pass without initrd |
| 01:37.49 | Grackle` | It doesn't. |
| 01:37.54 | wcstok | you could borrow my kernel for the first boot heh |
| 01:37.58 | Grackle` | It does in older kernels, but not 2.6.8. |
| 01:38.04 | piem | maybe it needs something to access the drive? |
| 01:38.07 | Grackle` | okay wcstok |
| 01:38.09 | Grackle` | And your initrd. |
| 01:38.11 | wcstok | it's a 2.4 though |
| 01:38.15 | wcstok | I dont use an initrd |
| 01:38.19 | Grackle` | Oh. |
| 01:38.38 | wcstok | but that'd be enough to get the system at least finished installing |
| 01:38.45 | wcstok | after that, it's fixable easily enough |
| 01:38.55 | Grackle` | Well, how do I get apt-get or something to work? apt-get segfaults when I chroot /target and try to use it... |
| 01:39.06 | Grackle` | hmm |
| 01:39.16 | Grackle` | Well we could try your kernel. |
| 01:39.22 | Grackle` | That'd be easiest to do first. |
| 01:39.24 | piem | anyone had success installing 2.6.14 on a g5? i have ... initrd issues there too. |
| 01:40.12 | wcstok | http://bort.homeunix.org/~jwhite/vmlinuz |
| 01:40.21 | wcstok | it doesnt have ext3 support though, does have ext2 |
| 01:40.22 | piem | could someone confirm the default dma mode of an ibook g4? (dmesg | grep ^hda:) |
| 01:40.45 | Grackle` | wcstok, I can use vmlinuz? |
| 01:41.00 | wcstok | don't see why not, it's just an elf file |
| 01:41.10 | Grackle` | ok.. |
| 01:41.10 | wcstok | jwhite: ~/public_html> file vmlinuz |
| 01:41.10 | wcstok | vmlinuz: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped |
| 01:42.50 | Grackle` | dl'ing |
| 01:44.04 | wcstok | I put the .config up too, just in case... http://bort.homeunix.org/~jwhite/config |
| 01:44.43 | Grackle` | Hmm I would have to wget that from within linux, I will do that after I try it without (if it fails) |
| 01:45.16 | wcstok | well you don't need that unless you want to recompile the thing =P |
| 01:45.27 | Grackle` | oh hehe ok |
| 01:45.47 | Grackle` | I didn't know it was that kind of config.. |
| 01:46.05 | Grackle` | Booting. |
| 01:46.49 | Grackle` | KP: Unable to mount root fs on 03:02. |
| 01:47.02 | wcstok | bleh |
| 01:47.36 | wcstok | did you pass the root=/dev/whatever arg? |
| 01:47.44 | Grackle` | yeah |
| 01:49.06 | Grackle` | whee |
| 01:49.17 | Grackle` | Yeah I'm using ext3... |
| 01:49.30 | wcstok | well it should have fallen back to ext2 |
| 01:49.37 | wcstok | so I doubt this will work either |
| 01:49.43 | Grackle` | Wait, what? |
| 01:49.58 | Grackle` | Something with only ext2 support can use an ext3 fs? |
| 01:50.18 | Grackle` | Whatever, we can try that. |
| 01:50.20 | wcstok | ext3 is only ext2 with a journal attached |
| 01:50.26 | wcstok | the fs layout is the same |
| 01:50.36 | Grackle` | Oh I didn't know that. |
| 01:50.47 | wcstok | ...just if you mount it as ext2 it won't use the journal (obviously) |
| 01:50.54 | Grackle` | right |
| 01:51.17 | wcstok | new kernel is up |
| 01:53.21 | Grackle` | dl'ing |
| 01:55.29 | Grackle` | Booting... |
| 01:56.15 | Grackle` | Booting! |
| 01:56.40 | Grackle` | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 01:56.46 | Grackle` | HOW DARE YOU SEGFAULT! |
| 01:56.53 | wcstok | ... |
| 01:57.35 | Grackle` | apt-get segfaulted, but the debian configuration seems to be working |
| 01:58.53 | Grackle` | Should I try installing with ext2 and getting your kernel? |
| 01:59.52 | Grackle` | Might as well... |
| 02:00.33 | wcstok | *shrug* |
| 02:00.46 | wcstok | dunno if it'd help, apt-get shouldn be faulting like that |
| 02:01.30 | Grackle` | Well, I did chroot into the installed system and tried running it before we did the kernel thing, do you think that could have fuxed it? |
| 02:01.46 | wcstok | beats me |
| 02:01.52 | wcstok | your system is a total mess =) |
| 02:02.01 | Grackle` | Yeah it is. :-( |
| 02:02.17 | Grackle` | I want a newworld mobo. |
| 02:02.57 | wcstok | meh, you're almost there with the oldworld machine |
| 02:03.37 | Grackle` | How's that? |
| 02:03.46 | wcstok | it boots and runs |
| 02:04.16 | Grackle` | Oh, I thought you meant almost to newworldness. :P |
| 02:04.19 | wcstok | just have to get past the initial setup and you're golden...find out why apt-get segfaulted |
| 02:04.24 | Grackle` | Yes, I am ever so close. |
| 02:04.43 | wcstok | oh sure, just pop out the rom chip and plug in an OF 3 something or other heh |
| 02:05.23 | Grackle` | I'd have to buy a newworld mobo to get the chip anyway. :P |
| 02:05.39 | Grackle` | Unless I found a dead or damaged one, I suppose. |
| 02:06.06 | wcstok | silly things, too bad they cant be flashed |
| 02:06.31 | Grackle` | Indeed. |
| 02:09.14 | wcstok | either that, or have hd images distributed, that'd be so much easier to install |
| 02:10.24 | Grackle` | Uhuh. |
| 02:11.02 | Grackle` | Can ext2 partitions be upgraded to ext3 without damaging files, like it can be done with hfsplus? |
| 02:11.07 | wcstok | dunno |
| 02:11.12 | wcstok | never tried |
| 02:11.46 | wcstok | you do know you can make a separate / partition as ext2 and the rest ext3 or something right? |
| 02:11.48 | Grackle` | Because Apple's Disk Utility has a little button labeled "enable journaling", and it can be done witthout adverse effects. |
| 02:11.55 | Grackle` | yeah I know |
| 02:12.12 | Grackle` | Mebbe I should have done that. |
| 02:18.14 | Grackle` | It should be firing at over 120... Once every peak of the 60vac wave. |
| 02:18.18 | Grackle` | oops |
| 02:18.20 | Grackle` | wrong window |
| 02:20.24 | Grackle` | Booting. |
| 02:22.49 | Grackle` | It's still borked. |
| 02:23.03 | wcstok | bleh |
| 02:23.31 | wcstok | try the kernel from the debian distribution, just turn off the initrd |
| 02:24.29 | Grackle` | Apt is working though, and I have a root account. Maybe I can get ftp working so I can upload my own initrd and kernel. |
| 02:24.34 | wcstok | or that |
| 02:27.42 | Grackle` | Hmmm, has anyone ever made an RSG by putting a rotating slotted lexan disc between two electrodes? |
| 02:27.45 | Grackle` | GAH |
| 02:27.54 | Grackle` | I KEEP TYPING IN THE WRONG WINDOW |
| 02:29.26 | Grackle` | ARGH! ftp segfaults. |
| 02:29.45 | wcstok | run an ldd on it |
| 02:30.06 | Grackle` | How do I do that? *doesn't know what ldd is* |
| 02:30.19 | wcstok | ldd `which ftp` |
| 02:30.39 | Grackle` | o.o |
| 02:30.58 | Grackle` | I got a > |
| 02:31.07 | wcstok | ? |
| 02:31.31 | Grackle` | Like some sort of prompt... |
| 02:31.48 | wcstok | you missed the closing ` |
| 02:32.23 | Grackle` | That I did... |
| 02:32.33 | Grackle` | Okay, did it right this time. |
| 02:32.51 | wcstok | whats it saying |
| 02:33.51 | Grackle` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.11 | wcstok | oi |
| 02:34.32 | wcstok | its acting like some shared lib isn't loading |
| 02:34.37 | wcstok | try ldconfig |
| 02:35.18 | Grackle` | What do I do with ldconfig? |
| 02:35.22 | wcstok | just run it |
| 02:35.28 | Grackle` | oh ok |
| 02:35.36 | Grackle` | It outputs nothing. |
| 02:35.42 | wcstok | thats fine |
| 02:35.45 | wcstok | try ldd again |
| 02:35.52 | Grackle` | Same thing. |
| 02:35.56 | wcstok | bleh |
| 02:36.08 | wcstok | no idea then, something didnt install right |
| 02:36.19 | Grackle` | ! |
| 02:36.39 | Grackle` | I installed kernel 2.6.8, should I try installing with 2.4? |
| 02:42.58 | Grackle` | wcstok... "try the kernel from the debian distrobution, just turn the initrd off"? |
| 02:43.06 | Grackle` | Where do I get that kernel? |
| 02:43.39 | Grackle` | You mean just use the kernel 2.6.8 from the kernel-image 2.6.8 .deb file? |
| 02:57.24 | wcstok | yeah |
| 02:57.47 | wcstok | or the one from the installation media, whichever it is (mine had a 2.2, but that was for woody) |
| 02:58.03 | Grackle` | Tried that, doesn't have the modules to mount my filesystem. |
| 02:58.12 | Grackle` | hmm |
| 02:58.13 | wcstok | quit using weird filesystmes =P |
| 02:58.31 | Grackle` | wtf :P |
| 03:00.10 | Grackle` | I can't use the one that came on my CD, it's on an ex3 partition and cannot be accessed through macos |
| 03:00.16 | Grackle` | Though it must be on the debian site. |
| 03:00.37 | wcstok | hmm? the one on the cd should be an iso9660 gd |
| 03:00.38 | wcstok | fs |
| 03:01.14 | Grackle` | fs? |
| 03:01.21 | Grackle` | oh yes |
| 03:01.41 | Grackle` | It is, but I dl'd the image to an ext3 partition using linux so I could do an hdinstall. |
| 03:01.51 | Grackle` | I didn't have a cd to burn to, so I did it that way. |
| 03:04.09 | Grackle` | :| |
| 03:07.40 | Grackle` | Woohoo! |
| 03:07.55 | Grackle` | Okay, I booted hdinstall and I can use ftp without segfaulting. |
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| 03:08.19 | Grackle` | Now what do I do to set up my internet connection? |
| 03:08.37 | wcstok | are you on a router of some sort? |
| 03:09.03 | Grackle` | yeah |
| 03:09.05 | Grackle` | I have DHCP. |
| 03:09.31 | Grackle` | I know all the IPs and such if I have to enter it manually.. |
| 03:10.13 | wcstok | do it manually, its easier |
| 03:10.22 | Grackle` | Okay... How? |
| 03:10.24 | wcstok | ifconfig eth0 ip; route add default gw rtrip |
| 03:10.35 | Grackle` | okay |
| 03:10.44 | wcstok | cat > /etc/resolve.conf nameserver routerip ^D |
| 03:11.11 | Grackle` | 'route' being the router? |
| 03:11.20 | wcstok | route being the name of the command |
| 03:11.23 | wcstok | rtrip being the router |
| 03:11.39 | Grackle` | What is route then? |
| 03:11.42 | wcstok | a command |
| 03:11.44 | wcstok | like ls |
| 03:11.53 | Grackle` | oh :P |
| 03:12.06 | wcstok | should of course do this in /etc/networking/interfaces, but meh |
| 03:14.18 | wcstok | did you blow it up or something =P |
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| 03:53.15 | Grackle` | Whee, uploaded both initrd imgs, now uploading my kernel. |
| 03:53.28 | Grackle` | MAYBE IT WILL WORK! O_O |
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| 05:32.43 | SimonRaven | resolv.conf... |
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| 10:48.46 | kpanic | hi, is airport extreme supported somehow? |
| 10:59.10 | Bor_Ed | yup... check /topic |
| 10:59.27 | kpanic | lol, thx :) |
| 10:59.38 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 17:43.35 | pyrho | hi all |
| 17:44.15 | pyrho | i installed debian recently, and i'm using KDE, and i've got few questions ^ |
| 17:45.10 | pyrho | first: i'd like to code in C, but i can't type brackets under kde, under osx it's apple+( |
| 17:45.19 | pyrho | s ohw can i get this to work ? |
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| 17:45.54 | pyrho | (i'm using an azerty keyboard) |
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| 17:51.24 | pyrho | no ideas? :( |
| 17:54.02 | SimonRaven | well, i just now saw it... i'm sure others it was the same. just means we're busy or AFK |
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| 17:54.26 | SimonRaven | i'd say reconfigure your x keyboard |
| 17:54.37 | pyrho | :) thanks |
| 17:54.40 | SimonRaven | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 | xserver-xorg |
| 17:55.09 | pyrho | okay |
| 17:55.10 | pyrho | thanks |
| 17:55.11 | pyrho | :) |
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| 18:16.29 | kpanic | I'm trying to test the bcm430x driver on a macmini, but lspci doesn't event list the AirPort Extreme |
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| 18:40.03 | _rene_ | that driver is not really usable anyway. |
| 18:43.25 | eddyp | _rene_: not yet, that is ! |
| 18:43.28 | eddyp | ;-) |
| 18:43.40 | _rene_ | yes |
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| 22:40.49 | Grackle | Hooray! |
| 22:41.15 | Grackle | I installed debian sarge on my PowerComputing PowerCenterPro 210. |
| 22:41.27 | Q-FUNK | nice |
| 22:41.39 | Grackle | It booted fine using quik, and I'm finishing up the install. |
| 22:41.58 | Grackle | I never did get it working on my beige G3, but that's fine. I only need one box with linux. |
| 22:42.29 | Grackle | The beige box has a 533MHz G4 in it, and it's happy with OSX. |
| 22:44.01 | pahartik | Grackle: very good |
| 22:44.23 | Grackle | ty |
| 22:44.33 | Grackle | er, yes |
| 22:44.41 | Grackle | bbiab |
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| 22:45.49 | wcstok | you wimped out, how disappointing =P |
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| 22:48.08 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: i got IEEE-1394 harddisk on yesterday, just testing things now |
| 22:49.31 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: i think "gparted" got stuck on resizing ext3 filesystem :) |
| 22:54.10 | Grackle | pshh wcstok |
| 22:54.29 | Grackle | I got it on *A* computer, I'm happy. :P |
| 22:55.08 | Grackle | What confuses me is that I installed debian on this box before, the install was easy, and I was really a noob then. |
| 22:55.28 | wcstok | the computer learned |
| 22:55.32 | wcstok | it hates you now |
| 22:55.56 | Grackle | haha |
| 22:57.04 | Grackle | fooding |
| 23:07.00 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: i interrupted it after 30 minutes... filesystem was resized but partition map was not... |
| 23:10.32 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 23:10.33 | Q-FUNK | odd |
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| 23:16.18 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: same thing again... maybe it just does not like to resize "Apple partition map" |
| 23:17.52 | Q-FUNK | gparted doesn't quite know how to work with apple partition maps yet, iirc |
| 23:31.24 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: does the gparted documentation say anything? |
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| 23:36.39 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: not really... it just points to parted documentation... |
| 23:43.39 | Q-FUNK | and does that other documentation say anything? |