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| 01:33.57 | Grackle1 | Is there a netbsd channel somewhere? |
| 01:42.04 | Curalton | /msg chanserv list *netbsd* |
| 01:45.47 | Grackle1 | oh, ty very much |
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| 07:27.31 | JaMiNkLe | yo does anyone have keyboard layout problems i installed linux on my ibook and my eject key is left click :\ |
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| 08:55.38 | Coutal | hey, am i the only one getting internal compiler errors when compiling linux with debian's gcc-4? |
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| 17:53.07 | dman13 | does anyone know where to find woody installation cds? or information about successfully installing on a performa 6300? |
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| 18:40.23 | TwistedEmotions | Can anyone help me with apt... ? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1022 |
| 18:40.37 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know if it's a PPC problem.. |
| 18:40.41 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know ;P |
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| 19:02.02 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: time to start new hobby? :) http://www.ilmailu.org/forum/index.php?topic=641.0 would probably do :P |
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| 19:14.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i am too busy for that... |
| 19:14.22 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 19:14.41 | Bor_Ed | I don't have life insuranse for that... |
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| 20:54.28 | zima | hello |
| 20:56.09 | zima | could you please tell me something about hardware support? (I guess the anser is "yes, it's ok", but why not make sure before comminitng some time) |
| 20:56.34 | zima | I've got OldWorld 7200/90 |
| 20:57.25 | zima | as I understand, Intel NICs will work without any troubles (so I could use it as a router/firewall for example) |
| 20:57.39 | Bor_Ed | in linux, yup |
| 20:58.41 | zima | However...I don't have Apple monitor, so I'd have to use PCI Video card, and the one I have is Matrox Millenium II PCI 4MB PC version |
| 20:58.51 | zima | is flashing neccesary for it to work? |
| 20:58.59 | zima | (flashing Mac bios) |
| 20:59.18 | zima | (it's not exactly 100% succesfull AFAIK)... |
| 20:59.27 | Bor_Ed | well, it'll work in X withoug flashing too... though I'd recommend for you to get macvideo->svga adapter to the integrated video out connector |
| 20:59.40 | pahartik | zima: my experience about Intel ethernet adapters tells that they are well supported by Linux on several hardware platforms |
| 21:00.11 | zima | And, more importantly, if it will work, will it show image right from the start of installation?... |
| 21:00.33 | Bor_Ed | nope... no way |
| 21:00.52 | zima | too bad :/ |
| 21:01.05 | Bor_Ed | you can do install via serial terminal though |
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| 21:02.17 | zima | As I understand the situation wouldn't be different if I'd reflash the vid card with Mac bios? |
| 21:02.33 | Bor_Ed | probably not |
| 21:02.59 | Bor_Ed | 7200 is pretty nice piece of work... I've had such as well as 8200's (same thing but in tower case) |
| 21:05.15 | zima | ok, thanks for help, I'll look at 2 options you mentioned... (too bad that Mac accesories are expensive rarity here...especially cables etc. - converter is 2 times more expensive than I've payed for 7200, 2 beers basically...) |
| 21:05.53 | Bor_Ed | I've got several converters here but shipping would be a killer |
| 21:11.52 | fo0bar | anybody here have a free NewWorld machine lying around and want to test a livecd I'm working on? |
| 21:12.03 | fo0bar | (it's a port of my x86 livecd, www.finnix.org) |
| 21:12.40 | Bor_Ed | you can probably run it under qemu if you don't have newworld box yourself |
| 21:13.22 | fo0bar | I have one myself which I do the development on (graphite g4) |
| 21:13.41 | fo0bar | and isn't qemu an x86 emulator? |
| 21:13.54 | Bor_Ed | qemu emulates sparc, arm, x86 and ppc |
| 21:14.02 | fo0bar | oh cool |
| 21:14.21 | Bor_Ed | and iirc, ppc is newworld, chrp and prep emulation |
| 21:14.57 | fo0bar | anyways, I only have one ppc machine, along with about 3 machines to test on at work, as opposed to the dozens of different x86 configurations I have :) |
| 21:15.08 | fo0bar | so I'm looking for some general beta testers |
| 21:15.26 | Bor_Ed | ahh... well this is the correct place... just that most are dead currently |
| 21:15.37 | fo0bar | heh |
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| 21:38.06 | zima | Bor_Ed, which of the ports at backplane of 7200 can be used for serial terminal anyway? (yes, I'm new to macs...) |
| 21:38.47 | zima | starting from this I could perhaps make some ghetto cable just for install... |
| 21:40.17 | Bor_Ed | the modem pictured port |
| 21:40.26 | Bor_Ed | it's rs422 serial port |
| 21:41.18 | Bor_Ed | google a bit for macserial rs232 cable... it's simple to make |
| 21:41.54 | zima | ok, thanks |
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| 21:53.30 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: i think i have it right now. i've started a compile of a new kernel and in a few hours we'll know if i solved the three-bands bug |
| 21:54.03 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: but just to strengthen my hypothesis, i need the output of lspci -n on your box. |
| 21:54.18 | Coutal | (or from anyone else running linux on a beige g3) |
| 21:55.34 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: I'll paste on #bor_ed |
| 21:55.48 | Coutal | k sec |
| 21:56.45 | Coutal | lemme see then |
| 21:57.17 | Coutal | great, it matches my theory. |
| 21:57.32 | Bor_Ed | good luck on the hacking :) |
| 21:57.38 | Coutal | in between 2.6.9 and 2.6.10, the chipset detection routine has been entirely revamped |
| 21:57.58 | Bor_Ed | well, the beige runs 2.6.14 currently... still the same prob |
| 21:58.12 | Coutal | however, since the rage I and rage II differ from each other only by the revision and not by Device ID, the new detection routine mashed them both together |
| 21:58.37 | Coutal | which is a mistake because the rage II happens to be configured entirely diffrenetly. |
| 21:59.36 | Bor_Ed | hmm, mailed to kernel dev list or asked in #mklinux yet for possible fix? |
| 21:59.45 | Coutal | i fixed it myself :) |
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| 22:00.08 | Bor_Ed | want to drop the info somewhere? :D |
| 22:00.38 | Coutal | well, i will test myself it before i put others at (hypothetical) risk |
| 22:00.46 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 22:01.32 | Coutal | but if you want to do it, go to atyfb_base.c, look for the line starting with #define ATI_CHIP_264CT, and change its flags to match the ones in 2.6.9 |
| 22:01.56 | Coutal | you know what, i'll generate a proper diff like a normal person :) sec brb |
| 22:02.19 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 22:04.13 | Coutal | note that this particular kernel will be broken for machines having a rage I chipset. dunno if any macs shipped with that. but don't try it on older powermacs. |
| 22:04.49 | Bor_Ed | well, this box has only fbdev anyway... I don't have other mach64 driven boxen |
| 22:06.54 | Coutal | http://www.tau.ac.il/~gilbahat/atyfb-fix.diff |
| 22:07.28 | Coutal | this is on vanilla 2.6.14 |
| 22:07.56 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 22:08.03 | Coutal | last time i wanted to fix it, i generated a dud kernel. but so did one of the driver's developers, so... i'm in good company :) |
| 22:08.12 | Bor_Ed | I'll give it a spin during weekend |
| 22:08.16 | Coutal | k, cool |
| 22:09.44 | Coutal | if you see pahartik maybe he'll want to test it too. but i dunno what chip the 6500 uses |
| 22:09.57 | Bor_Ed | I'll let him know |
| 22:13.37 | KB1FYR | GNARGH! |
| 22:13.59 | KB1FYR | Why don't my debian floppies work? |
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| 22:23.46 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: you can tell pahartik of the patch if he comes - it should work for 6500 as well |
| 22:24.09 | Bor_Ed | I'll drop it to him if I see him and remember :) |
| 22:24.14 | Coutal | btw do you know if paul mackerras comes on irc? |
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| 22:24.32 | Bor_Ed | not at least with realname |
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| 22:26.39 | robertk | probably more likely to run into paul m. on #ppc64 |
| 22:27.39 | Coutal | so i'll drop by there |
| 22:27.57 | Coutal | and maybe learn something new on the way. or just waste some time |
| 22:27.58 | Coutal | :) |
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| 22:45.46 | Zet_ | is anyone succesfully running xorg in testing on a powermac 9600? my graphics card is "Display controller: Integrated Micro Solutions Inc.: Unknown device 9135 (rev 01)" and it was autodetected to use the "imstt" driver |
| 22:46.41 | Zet_ | my xorg usually gets stuck in an infinite loop after logging in with xdm, regardless of which window manager tries to load |
| 22:47.12 | Zet_ | sometimes it goes through ok and loads the wm, but that's about one try out of 20 |
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| 23:07.34 | Coutal | hey pahartik. i think i found the source of the problems in the ati chip - i'm compiling a possible fix right now |
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| 23:21.21 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: there's a small mistake in that patch. i'll put a fixed one in the same place in a sec |
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| 23:35.09 | SimonRaven | @Coutal++ |
| 23:36.07 | SimonRaven | Coutal: he also goes to #mklinux |
| 23:36.38 | Coutal | SimonRaven: i may have gotten it right this time :) last time it was a dud, but it was not fatal to the box |
| 23:37.08 | SimonRaven | nice |
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| 23:42.07 | SimonRaven | Grackle: back sucking up s'more tips, eh? you big mooch ;p |
| 23:42.17 | SimonRaven | (i'm just kidding) |
| 23:42.22 | Grackle | :P |
| 23:42.39 | Grackle | I'm actually playing with NetBSD right now. |
| 23:42.53 | Grackle | On my Power Computing Power Center Pro 210... |
| 23:43.12 | Grackle | It works, but there's one problem. It drops half of the packets it should be recieving. |
| 23:43.22 | Coutal | this laptop will shut down any moment now |
| 23:43.23 | Coutal | brb |
| 23:43.23 | Grackle | However, it netinstalled fine. |
| 23:43.36 | Grackle | k |
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