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| 10:18.09 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill, I've been looking for i2c-dev and is load as a kernel module |
| 10:18.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | in my previous kernel |
| 10:19.25 | oo0_JeS_0oo | so keyboard backlight is supposed to run? |
| 10:19.33 | oo0_JeS_0oo | on pbbuttonsd |
| 10:22.34 | oo0_JeS_0oo | When running Powerprefs, in the second tab (bulb), the Keyboard and Autoadjust appears in grey |
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| 10:41.40 | johill | I don't use powerprefs, so no idea |
| 10:42.47 | oo0_JeS_0oo | well, it is a gtk interface to configure /etc/pbbuttonsd.conf |
| 10:43.44 | johill | I know |
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| 10:44.36 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/pbbuttonsd.conf |
| 10:45.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | How could I be sure that pbbuttonsd would run keyboard's backlight without any problem? |
| 10:45.31 | oo0_JeS_0oo | So this run OK on your machine? |
| 10:45.37 | johill | yes that config works fine |
| 10:45.41 | johill | pb 5,6 |
| 10:45.47 | johill | to test, go to a dark room ;) |
| 10:45.53 | johill | or cover the light sensors with your hands |
| 10:46.02 | johill | they're on the left and right side below the speaker grills |
| 10:46.33 | piem | hi. anyone managed to boot 2.6.14-1-powerpc64 ? |
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| 10:53.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | let's try |
| 10:54.09 | johill | I really wonder why people keep having trouble with this. it couldn't be easier |
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| 11:06.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill, didn't succed |
| 11:07.11 | johill | dunno then. it worked for me out of the box. are you sure you have all the correct i2c stuff configured in your kernel? oh and pmu for pbbuttonsd to measure the light conditions I think |
| 11:07.44 | oo0_JeS_0oo | all keys work except KBD ilum keys |
| 11:09.28 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I have the same configuration as you on my pbbuttonsd.conf in section [MODULE DISPLAY] |
| 11:10.40 | oo0_JeS_0oo | let me try your kernel image ..., just to verify if KBD Ilumination |
| 11:11.26 | oo0_JeS_0oo | really works on my powerbook |
| 11:11.39 | oo0_JeS_0oo | in GNU/Linux |
| 11:13.21 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I don't mind the partition's problem |
| 11:18.04 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Do you have a debian package of your kernel on the web? |
| 11:20.34 | johill | wait wait. your kbd illum keys don't work or the kbd doesn't illuminate? |
| 11:20.49 | johill | mine does it automatically if it's dark |
| 11:21.41 | oo0_JeS_0oo | >your kbd illum keys don't work or the kbd doesn't illuminate? |
| 11:21.44 | oo0_JeS_0oo | both |
| 11:22.17 | johill | well, I dunno then, it certainly works here and I think I put my kernel config up somewhere |
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| 11:24.38 | piem | is a powerpc build of gnome 2.12 still needed? |
| 11:25.21 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I have mapped the three KDB keys on F8,F9 & F10 (key codes 66, 67 & 68) |
| 11:26.45 | oo0_JeS_0oo | So the problem is not about FN keys |
| 11:40.29 | SimonRaven | piem: no idea. sec |
| 11:42.53 | SimonRaven | seems there's some 2.12 stuff in experimental, dunno if it's all there |
| 11:43.57 | SimonRaven | a lot of it is there |
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| 12:04.05 | piem | SimonRaven: yes, it seems its on its way |
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| 12:33.50 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: quik doesn't support ext3, right? |
| 12:34.51 | SimonRaven | nope |
| 12:35.09 | Bor_Ed | and it's impossible to convert ext3 back to ext2, right? |
| 12:36.29 | SimonRaven | no, just remount as ext2, edit fstab, etc. you also need to remove the journal |
| 12:36.45 | Bor_Ed | eh? |
| 12:37.34 | Bor_Ed | I edited the ext3 to ext2 now on fstab... and where to find the journal file(s)? |
| 12:38.03 | Bor_Ed | aww buggr, got to restart to see :) |
| 12:41.57 | Bor_Ed | no go... kernel still says this is ext3 |
| 12:42.54 | SimonRaven | man mkfs.ext3 - -o \^Ojournal or something |
| 12:43.12 | Bor_Ed | mkfs sounds always so scary :D |
| 12:43.53 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 12:44.29 | Bor_Ed | hmm, tune2fs at least can't do a thing to the buggr... |
| 12:45.19 | Bor_Ed | mkfs wasn't too usefull either |
| 12:46.49 | SimonRaven | tune2fs would be the one |
| 12:47.14 | SimonRaven | -o [^]mount-option[,...] |
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| 12:47.28 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.04 | Bor_Ed | yup... but wth is the feat to remove... journal? |
| 12:48.23 | Bor_Ed | buggr manpages are like greek every now and then :/ |
| 12:49.14 | SimonRaven | ^ |
| 12:49.26 | SimonRaven | is the negation, i.e., remove |
| 12:49.37 | SimonRaven | er, e.g. even |
| 12:51.09 | Bor_Ed | o_O |
| 12:51.34 | Coutal | i wonder what do greek people say. "buggr, manpages are like english every now and then" ? |
| 12:52.33 | Bor_Ed | buggr tune2fs calls me invalid :P |
| 12:52.40 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: well they are :D |
| 12:53.02 | Coutal | we use "chinese" for that here. maybe it's because greece is not too far away |
| 12:53.08 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd it's not my native language |
| 13:01.10 | Bor_Ed | hmm, -O ^has_journal wasn't it at least |
| 13:01.11 | SimonRaven | tune2fs -O\^has_journal /dev/foo2 have it unmounted |
| 13:01.11 | SimonRaven | run an fsck after |
| 13:01.29 | SimonRaven | next time, RTFM ;) |
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| 13:10.35 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I got it converted to ext2... though now quik whines that it can't open the FS |
| 13:11.34 | SimonRaven | run fsck |
| 13:12.35 | Bor_Ed | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 13:12.35 | Bor_Ed | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 13:12.37 | Bor_Ed | :D |
| 13:19.32 | Bor_Ed | still same unable to open fs... |
| 13:24.36 | Bor_Ed | hmm, wasn't some exotic ver of first.b required on beige g3's? |
| 13:36.45 | benoitc | are u running debian in unstable on ppc ? |
| 13:36.52 | benoitc | hum btw, hi ;) |
| 13:37.55 | Bor_Ed | yup... as I've done for 4-5 years |
| 13:38.21 | benoitc | mmm ok |
| 13:38.33 | benoitc | because I have to install it on a mc mini I think |
| 13:38.45 | Bor_Ed | with more or less success ofcourse... and this weekend looks like less :D |
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| 13:51.42 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: what was that tool to set network interface to promiscuous mode and capture/grep packets that go through? |
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| 14:09.36 | Bor_Ed | tcpdump? |
| 14:13.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: yes, that is what i was looking for |
| 14:14.08 | Bor_Ed | :) |
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| 14:17.06 | Bor_Ed | hmm, quik loads now but kernel panics to not finding root |
| 14:19.52 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: the thingy needed 'partition' set on conf to try booting :) |
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| 14:39.23 | sktrdie | do you guys know what gstreamer is |
| 14:39.24 | sktrdie | ? |
| 14:43.25 | Bor_Ed | some streaming server... was it realmedia such |
| 14:43.48 | sktrdie | what is the problem with normal stuff? |
| 14:43.51 | sktrdie | like normal jpg |
| 14:43.53 | sktrdie | or movies |
| 14:44.07 | Bor_Ed | eh? :o |
| 14:46.46 | sktrdie | eh? |
| 14:47.00 | Bor_Ed | normal stuff? :D |
| 14:48.21 | sktrdie | gstreamer uses gstreamer jpg, gstreamer mov...ecc. |
| 14:48.24 | sktrdie | for every media component |
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| 14:49.02 | deplagne | hi... |
| 14:49.13 | sktrdie | hi |
| 14:49.22 | deplagne | anyone to help installing debian on a recent powerbook g4 ? |
| 14:49.37 | deplagne | it does just not find the cdrom... |
| 14:50.09 | deplagne | ubuntu does no better btw... both live and install disk fail on cdrom detection... |
| 14:51.10 | deplagne | for debian I tried sarge r0a... both netinst and binary1... |
| 14:51.57 | deplagne | looks like it just doesn't find the ide thingie... (nothing in /dev/ide) |
| 14:52.25 | DelTree | maybe better if I setup my nick... ;) |
| 14:53.53 | ptitlouis | :) |
| 14:54.15 | DelTree | but you might have guessed by the "..." ;) |
| 14:54.32 | ptitlouis | lol |
| 14:54.33 | DelTree | ptitlouis: any idea ? |
| 14:54.36 | ptitlouis | no |
| 14:55.03 | DelTree | is debianppc *that* bad ? |
| 14:55.22 | ptitlouis | i'm fighting against the 2.6.14 kernel |
| 14:55.46 | DelTree | how can I hop to fight with nothing detected ? |
| 14:55.54 | DelTree | +e |
| 14:56.04 | Bor_Ed | try 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6 |
| 14:56.21 | DelTree | 2.4 hangs in usb... |
| 14:56.38 | Bor_Ed | buggr |
| 14:56.47 | Bor_Ed | hmm, anyway time to drop by to sauna here |
| 14:57.14 | DelTree | it already did with production kernel of yellowdog on my old powerbook... |
| 14:58.21 | DelTree | and of course, google gives nothing interesting... :/ |
| 14:59.24 | DelTree | will yellowdog be my only way out the not-so-deltree-friendly MacOSX ? |
| 15:01.04 | DelTree | :) |
| 15:01.30 | DelTree | I quite like the redirection on yellowdog.com... |
| 15:02.17 | DelTree | linuxiso.org shall be my friend... |
| 15:02.27 | DelTree | but I'm really disappointed... :/ |
| 15:04.03 | Zet | I have yet to pass my never-ending IQ test :( |
| 15:04.30 | DelTree | I don't see any IQ test... |
| 15:04.38 | DelTree | it just doesn't find nothing... |
| 15:05.40 | Zet | you could boot yellowdog just so that you can get lspci and/or see which module it uses for the cdrom drive? |
| 15:06.11 | DelTree | that's what I'm planning to try... |
| 15:06.33 | DelTree | but with little hope that yellowdog install CD will allow me a shell... |
| 15:08.34 | DelTree | ok... dling the iso will take about 3 hours... |
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| 15:46.00 | Coutness | can anyone here help me a bit? |
| 15:46.17 | Coutness | i'm debugging the mach64 driver, and i've noticed something really odd |
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| 15:52.49 | CoutAway | say, if a register ends up with value b0000200 instead of 03000200, does that look an endianness error to you? |
| 15:54.50 | johill | Coutal: no |
| 15:54.58 | johill | sorry, CoutAway |
| 15:55.05 | CoutAway | coutal is my ghost, it's okay :) |
| 15:55.40 | Coutal | johill: i'm debugging a driver, and looks like one of the registers got this value instead of what it was supposed to have |
| 15:55.50 | Coutal | but i went over the code and have not seen a good reason as to why this happened |
| 15:55.57 | johill | weird, but doesn't look like an endianness problem at all |
| 15:56.13 | Coutal | maybe it's some mask missing |
| 15:56.27 | johill | not even, 0xb0 and 0x03 have no bits in common |
| 15:56.48 | Coutal | i'll have a deeper look into this. |
| 15:56.55 | johill | b0 is 0b10110000 and 03 is 0b00000011 |
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| 15:57.25 | Coutal | oops, it's 0b000200 and 03000200 |
| 15:57.47 | Coutal | it was not aligned properly |
| 15:58.02 | noahslater | Can anyone help me figure out why I cannot apt-get install tetex-bin |
| 15:58.14 | noahslater | It complains that it cannot find the package |
| 15:58.29 | noahslater | http://packages.debian.org/stable/tex/tetex-bin shows that a powerpc port is availabe however |
| 15:58.58 | noahslater | ... perhaps my arch is something subtley different, although I wouldnt know how to tell? |
| 15:59.32 | johill | Coutal: that looks like a missing | 0x80000000 |
| 15:59.38 | johill | or something |
| 15:59.47 | johill | or rather a missing mask with ~0x80000000 |
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| 15:59.58 | os2finn | hi all |
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| 16:28.56 | os2finn | what does one feed to gcc to get a little-endian ELF? |
| 16:29.17 | Coutal | os2finn: it depends on the arch |
| 16:29.24 | os2finn | powerpc |
| 16:29.29 | Coutal | ah |
| 16:29.51 | Coutal | iirc there's an arch string for ppc-le and one for ppc-be |
| 16:30.07 | os2finn | -mlittle-endian? |
| 16:31.08 | os2finn | but then linker says that it was compiled for Le and target is Be |
| 16:35.00 | Coutal | maybe the linker needs a flag too |
| 16:35.04 | Coutal | brb |
| 16:35.51 | os2finn | pbrook says: "Most likely you're trying to link against big-endian libraries and startup code." |
| 16:39.05 | Coutal | that's also probably true :) |
| 16:39.13 | Coutal | since all your environment is big endian |
| 16:39.19 | os2finn | yep |
| 16:39.34 | os2finn | so somekind of cross-compiling is only option |
| 16:39.41 | Coutal | yeah |
| 16:40.11 | comar | hi. I have sarge installed. I try to make an epson scanner to work but I cannot find any scanner module... |
| 16:40.25 | comar | Linux 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 16:42.05 | Coutal | try downloading the sane package. |
| 16:42.51 | os2finn | hmmm is there are cross-compiler that makes: ELF 32-LSB exec, Version 1 (SYSV)? |
| 16:43.06 | os2finn | powerpc |
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| 16:50.43 | os2finn | dir |
| 16:50.56 | mehere1 | can someone plz tell me how to install gnome in debian |
| 16:50.57 | os2finn | ;) |
| 16:51.07 | mehere1 | i typed ap-get install gnome |
| 16:51.19 | mehere1 | then i typed apt-get install adm |
| 16:51.31 | mehere1 | so i have all thoughs packages but it does not work |
| 16:53.54 | os2finn | mehere1: does it give any errors? |
| 16:54.11 | os2finn | apt-get install gnome worked here |
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| 17:03.51 | mehere1 | os2finn: yes it does give errors here is the comlete error message: I can not start the x server (your grafical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the problem? |
| 17:04.27 | os2finn | mehere: Have you had any X system working ? |
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| 17:06.17 | mehere1 | apple panther? |
| 17:06.48 | os2finn | mehere1: Linux I mean do you have correct framebuffer device compiled in kernel? |
| 17:07.20 | mehere1 | ? |
| 17:07.31 | mehere1 | the command line works |
| 17:07.45 | os2finn | yes it does |
| 17:08.10 | mehere1 | but i have never been able to get a grafical interface working |
| 17:08.16 | os2finn | but for X you have to compile correct display adapter support in kernel |
| 17:08.31 | mehere1 | and how would you do that? |
| 17:09.10 | os2finn | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 17:09.17 | os2finn | pick your favourite kernel |
| 17:09.23 | os2finn | apt-get install it |
| 17:09.25 | mehere1 | ok |
| 17:09.47 | boris | hmm |
| 17:11.02 | os2finn | boris: ? |
| 17:12.03 | os2finn | meher1: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 17:12.10 | mehere1 | os2fin: can i pick any of the ones that is displayed |
| 17:12.40 | os2finn | mehere1: I assume your system is MAC? |
| 17:12.44 | mehere1 | plz type meheren thx im signed in on my ubuntu computer 2 this computer is next to the mac that is why im using it thx |
| 17:12.54 | mehere1 | yes mac g3 yosimite |
| 17:13.31 | os2finn | meheren: I am more familiar with IBM PPC systems so not sure which kernel is best for MACS |
| 17:14.03 | mehere1 | ok |
| 17:14.18 | mehere1 | ibm makes ppc systems? |
| 17:14.25 | os2finn | used to |
| 17:14.44 | mehere1 | not anymore though right? |
| 17:14.52 | Coutal | they still do |
| 17:15.02 | mehere1 | oh? |
| 17:15.06 | mehere1 | had no idea |
| 17:15.12 | os2finn | http://www.tecnopolis.ca/aixtp/ |
| 17:15.16 | mehere1 | is it the xps or something? |
| 17:15.32 | Coutal | xps? |
| 17:16.05 | os2finn | http://www.amberdata.demon.co.uk/carolina/ |
| 17:16.07 | os2finn | for example |
| 17:17.50 | os2finn | Coutal: To be exact IBM now makes POWER based systems not powerpc |
| 17:18.19 | Coutal | powerpc is an architecture. POWER3, POWER4 and POWER5 are chips implementing this architecture. |
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| 17:20.46 | os2finn | Coutal: yep |
| 17:21.01 | Bor_Ed | howdee os2finn |
| 17:21.14 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I got OS/2 running on 7248 |
| 17:21.15 | os2finn | :) |
| 17:21.19 | Bor_Ed | whoopee :D |
| 17:21.34 | Bor_Ed | got emx/gcc running yet? |
| 17:21.56 | os2finn | but had to do everything manually: partitioning installing everything(and with manually i mean Hex editor and dd :) |
| 17:22.17 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: i have finally decoded the mess that the driver change did. i.e. i know what "should have been", what "went on" instead... but no idea why and why it causes the three vertical bands. but that's some useful progress. |
| 17:22.22 | Bor_Ed | umm, presentation managers installer didn't work? |
| 17:22.40 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: the kernel driver works just fine from quik... just not from bootx |
| 17:22.49 | Coutal | oh? |
| 17:22.53 | Coutal | that i did not know |
| 17:23.01 | os2finn | bor_ed: installer wont work because 7248 firmware is lot different from 6050 |
| 17:23.11 | Bor_Ed | yup, though kernel pukes on VFS: rootfs for some reason |
| 17:23.14 | Coutal | maybe bootx will initialize the video card diffrently. |
| 17:23.19 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: it's patchable prolly |
| 17:23.20 | Coutal | quik will only boot ext2 partitions. |
| 17:23.23 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: yup |
| 17:23.29 | Coutal | so that might be it |
| 17:23.37 | Bor_Ed | quik boots from ext2 and ext3... though I've tried with bot and same result |
| 17:23.42 | Coutal | oh |
| 17:23.49 | Bor_Ed | ext3 is supported on clean umount |
| 17:23.51 | Coutal | but i do want to dual boot, just in case. |
| 17:23.56 | Bor_Ed | I don't |
| 17:24.01 | os2finn | and cant use Fdisk for partitioning since OS/2 uses conventional firmware style partition map ( harddisk is divided into blocks of 512 bytes) |
| 17:24.16 | Coutal | okay, so i don't either :P but i started and i'm going to get this fixed. |
| 17:24.20 | Bor_Ed | been hacking the quik up today... it works just fine but still some prob with the root partition |
| 17:24.35 | Coutal | why not help me hack the driver? |
| 17:24.57 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I have been drinking some bacardi during evening :) |
| 17:25.02 | Bor_Ed | I'd like to see the 800 meg mockos partition in some productive usage instead of being bootloader |
| 17:25.28 | os2finn | Bor_ed: would you like to help meheren with X windows? |
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| 17:27.05 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I suspect he doesnt have correct Framebuffer dev in kernel, but I am not familiar with Macs |
| 17:27.23 | Bor_Ed | hmmm |
| 17:27.31 | Bor_Ed | what box? |
| 17:27.55 | os2finn | bor_ed: msg him |
| 17:27.56 | os2finn | > |
| 17:27.58 | os2finn | ? |
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| 17:28.24 | os2finn | speaking of the devil :) |
| 17:28.27 | Bor_Ed | naa... I tend to keep the stuff on chan as much as possible |
| 17:28.32 | meheren | os2finn:it is still not working |
| 17:28.39 | meheren | have any ideas? |
| 17:28.40 | Bor_Ed | (maybe others can have a hint or 2 too that way) |
| 17:28.56 | os2finn | meheren: Bor_ed is more familiar withy macs :) |
| 17:29.02 | meheren | ok |
| 17:29.24 | Bor_Ed | meheren: first off, cat /proc/fb |
| 17:29.26 | os2finn | ;) os2finn connecting people |
| 17:29.32 | meheren | bor_ed i am trying to install gnome on my g3 yosimite it won't work |
| 17:29.37 | meheren | ok |
| 17:29.37 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: bleh :D |
| 17:29.40 | meheren | just a sec thx |
| 17:30.55 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: you have dd'able install available yet on yer site for the ppc workstation btw? |
| 17:31.31 | os2finn | bor_ed: Not on my site yet since PMSHELL is not working yet only Command line |
| 17:31.45 | mehere1 | it says:0 ATY Range128 |
| 17:31.53 | Bor_Ed | meheren: so X driver is r128 |
| 17:32.05 | Bor_Ed | not 'ati' which it might suggest |
| 17:32.05 | mehere1 | ok... |
| 17:32.18 | mehere1 | so what should i do? |
| 17:32.23 | mehere1 | to change it or whatever? |
| 17:32.25 | os2finn | Bor_ed: And I am trying to find a way to get mklinux MACH to get cross compiled in LE format |
| 17:32.45 | Bor_Ed | edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf depending on the installed debian |
| 17:32.57 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: good luck :P |
| 17:33.04 | mehere1 | its the current release |
| 17:33.11 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I dont like small challenges :( |
| 17:33.20 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: why don't you just set the OF to big endian? :D |
| 17:33.20 | os2finn | ) |
| 17:33.36 | os2finn | Bor_ed: because OS2Server is LE |
| 17:33.42 | os2finn | and rest of OS |
| 17:33.55 | os2finn | :) |
| 17:33.59 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: right... that makes some issues |
| 17:34.33 | os2finn | Bor_ed: one way is to make mach to translate LE to BE on the fly but it is SLOW.... |
| 17:34.56 | Bor_Ed | yup, I'd imagine that |
| 17:35.12 | Bor_Ed | little-endian? false |
| 17:35.13 | os2finn | Bor_ed tried that actually and it works |
| 17:35.19 | Bor_Ed | this box at least runs on big endian |
| 17:35.49 | os2finn | Bor_ed: WinNt and OS/2 PPC are only OSes that run in LE mode on PPC |
| 17:36.03 | Bor_Ed | not even Be? |
| 17:36.32 | os2finn | Bor_ed: this is because they wanted better support for X86 style hardware |
| 17:36.44 | os2finn | SCSI adapters etc. |
| 17:37.16 | Bor_Ed | scsi adapters work as drop-in... just that bootable pci cards require apple FCODE instead of peecee bios interface |
| 17:38.01 | os2finn | Bor_ed: X86 SCSI adapters wont work on IBM PPCs if they have bios |
| 17:38.27 | Bor_Ed | they do work on macs... though just doesn't show up as bootable devices |
| 17:38.39 | os2finn | Bor_ed: and Linux X86 is LE |
| 17:38.55 | Bor_Ed | isn't x86 everything le? |
| 17:38.56 | meheren | i typed the command nothing happons |
| 17:39.17 | os2finn | Bor_ed: BTW 80gig hd works in 7248 |
| 17:39.18 | Bor_Ed | meheren: you need to edit the conf file I mentioned... |
| 17:39.26 | meheren | how |
| 17:39.27 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: scsi-II? :D |
| 17:39.35 | os2finn | Bor_ed: IDE |
| 17:39.37 | Bor_Ed | meheren: with your favourite editor |
| 17:39.40 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: bleh |
| 17:39.44 | meheren | ? |
| 17:39.55 | Bor_Ed | I tend to use nano to conf file editing |
| 17:40.03 | os2finn | Bo_ed: this 7248 is one of the latest so it has SCSI and IDE |
| 17:40.11 | meheren | i don't have a editor installed (i might) it is all command line |
| 17:40.20 | meheren | if i do then how would i use it? |
| 17:40.20 | Bor_Ed | meheren: apt-get install nano ... |
| 17:40.21 | os2finn | Bo_ed: and OS/2 ppc doesnt have working scsi drivers :) |
| 17:40.31 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: sheesh :D |
| 17:40.38 | meheren | i have |
| 17:40.39 | meheren | it |
| 17:40.50 | Bor_Ed | so nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:41.06 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Did I give you a bit too big assignment? :D |
| 17:41.27 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: tuttipulloruokintaa :P |
| 17:41.37 | meheren | nothing is happening |
| 17:41.42 | os2finn | Bor_ed: :D |
| 17:41.55 | meheren | i opend nano and typed /etc... but nothing is happening |
| 17:42.06 | Bor_Ed | umm, you give that command as is |
| 17:42.23 | Bor_Ed | the filename after the editor before enter |
| 17:42.40 | meheren | oh oops |
| 17:42.51 | Bor_Ed | (sh)it happens |
| 17:42.53 | meheren | how do i get out of nano? |
| 17:43.01 | Bor_Ed | ctrl+x |
| 17:43.04 | meheren | ok thx |
| 17:43.31 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Onko helpompaa editoria kuin Nano ? :) |
| 17:43.41 | Bor_Ed | change Section "Device" "ati" to "r128" |
| 17:44.40 | meheren | i opend the file it has nothing displayed |
| 17:44.45 | Bor_Ed | and add Option "UseFBDev" "true" under that |
| 17:45.10 | Bor_Ed | you used command: nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?? |
| 17:45.43 | meheren | yes |
| 17:46.04 | Bor_Ed | hmmm, if you have sarge, that should be the correct conf file |
| 17:46.16 | meheren | do i? |
| 17:46.21 | Bor_Ed | do you have x-window-system installed in the first place? |
| 17:46.21 | meheren | lol how do i tell |
| 17:46.31 | meheren | umm |
| 17:46.33 | meheren | maybe |
| 17:46.34 | Bor_Ed | you can check the ver from cat /etc/debian_release |
| 17:47.30 | meheren | it says no such file or directory |
| 17:47.34 | os2finn | Bor_ed: apt-get install gnome installs X doent it? |
| 17:47.57 | Bor_Ed | nopåe |
| 17:48.15 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.34 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: requires install of x-window-system-core |
| 17:48.45 | meheren | permission deneyed |
| 17:48.52 | meheren | im logged in as root |
| 17:49.02 | meheren | how to i log out and log in as my user? |
| 17:49.05 | Bor_Ed | meheren: you should be able to cat it even as user |
| 17:49.12 | Bor_Ed | su - user |
| 17:49.29 | meheren | thx |
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| 17:49.59 | meheren | it still says denied |
| 17:50.17 | Bor_Ed | chmod a+r /etc/debian/version |
| 17:50.21 | Curalton | 'id' says you are root with id 0? |
| 17:50.29 | Curalton | Bor_Ed: root doesnt care about permissions |
| 17:50.47 | Bor_Ed | Curalton: I know but he su'd to user |
| 17:50.56 | meheren | yeh |
| 17:51.12 | Curalton | ah |
| 17:51.13 | meheren | it says version3.1 |
| 17:51.19 | Bor_Ed | that's sarge then |
| 17:51.23 | meheren | ok |
| 17:51.38 | Bor_Ed | meheren: get back to root and do: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 17:52.11 | os2finn | hmmm it seems I have lost my pack of cigarettes... |
| 17:53.18 | meheren | it says package not found |
| 17:53.45 | Bor_Ed | hmmm, do you have successfull basesystem install with correct sources there? |
| 17:54.16 | meheren | yes |
| 17:54.28 | meheren | i have succesful base system install |
| 17:55.57 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I have this IBM Visualage C++ cross compiler for PowerPC but trying to compile Mach with it is a nightmare |
| 17:56.10 | Bor_Ed | hmm, x-window-system-core should be available on apt then |
| 17:58.07 | meheren | ok |
| 17:58.11 | meheren | how to get it? |
| 17:58.41 | Bor_Ed | with apt-get command |
| 17:58.54 | meheren | well i tryed that |
| 17:58.59 | meheren | doesn't work |
| 17:59.13 | Bor_Ed | hmm, could have a typo somewhere |
| 17:59.14 | os2finn | Meheren: Debian on PPC think it as a never ending IQ test... |
| 17:59.32 | meheren | yeh lol |
| 17:59.35 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: that comment has a point |
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| 17:59.59 | meheren | yeh i tryed again to make sure here is exact letters i typed |
| 18:00.01 | meheren | : |
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| 18:00.40 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache search x-window-system |
| 18:00.41 | Bor_Ed | ? |
| 18:00.42 | meheren | apt-get install x-windows-system-core |
| 18:00.50 | meheren | sry took awhile |
| 18:00.53 | Bor_Ed | window, not windows ! |
| 18:01.00 | meheren | aha |
| 18:01.17 | os2finn | Bor_ed: That makes me wonder: What was installing DebianPPC under Qemu-PPC on X86 then? |
| 18:01.48 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: no brainer everyday task :D qemu can be adjusted for the requirements easier than oldworld or nubus box :D |
| 18:01.56 | meheren | worked! |
| 18:02.39 | Bor_Ed | you'll need to install gdm too to get X loaded on boot |
| 18:02.48 | meheren | i already did that |
| 18:02.51 | os2finn | Bor_ed: :) It had to be installed using dbootstrap since boot floppies didnt work :) |
| 18:02.59 | meheren | but will i have to reinstall afterwards? |
| 18:03.10 | Bor_Ed | meheren: nope |
| 18:03.59 | meheren | how do i figure out the video cards bus identifier? |
| 18:04.20 | Bor_Ed | that shows up on lspci... you'll need to conver the hex value to decimal though |
| 18:04.34 | Bor_Ed | 0000:00:0e.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG |
| 18:04.43 | Bor_Ed | for example is 00:00:14 |
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| 18:05.14 | os2finn | (bor_ed has scientific calc installed on his desktop :)) |
| 18:05.15 | meheren | open lspci? |
| 18:05.18 | meheren | ah |
| 18:05.25 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: on the brains, sowwy |
| 18:05.53 | Bor_Ed | lspci is a command |
| 18:05.59 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Is C your second language ? |
| 18:06.22 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: yup, trying to get object pascal now as upgrade from C |
| 18:06.51 | meheren | how do enter it? |
| 18:06.53 | Bor_Ed | I finally got lazarus (opensource delphi compatible thingy) compiled and running here... and now it gives me segfaults again :D |
| 18:07.02 | Bor_Ed | meheren: just type lspci and press enter |
| 18:07.07 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Kewl trying to get C past english to be second language here. |
| 18:07.25 | Bor_Ed | hmm, now the lazarus works again :o |
| 18:07.53 | os2finn | oh Delphi isnt that language made by Borland? |
| 18:08.03 | meheren | umm i have a rage ati 128 |
| 18:08.04 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: object pascal has better future and it's supposed to be simpler and at least as fast as C |
| 18:08.23 | Bor_Ed | delphi is object pascal IDE, both are from borland |
| 18:08.24 | os2finn | Bor_ed: How bout c++? |
| 18:08.40 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: I read it fluently, writing isn't that good though |
| 18:09.05 | Bor_Ed | meheren: I have ati rage 128 as secondary display adapter here too |
| 18:09.05 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Rahikainen has same probs here :P |
| 18:09.14 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 18:09.53 | Bor_Ed | now I'd really need to get a grip on the object pascal and get äm-irk for linux/ppc done m:D |
| 18:10.41 | Bor_Ed | (whole gui in finglish, couple of rootkits included on the install and so on :) |
| 18:11.30 | meheren | im at the part that says enter your mouse input i have a usb and a normal mac mouse what should i put in? |
| 18:11.43 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.10 | Bor_Ed | works here with usb and adb mouses |
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| 18:13.22 | os2finn | Bor_ed: I want Os2server to run on top of OSF mach 3.0 |
| 18:13.49 | os2finn | Bor_ed: But that can take the rest of my natural life |
| 18:13.52 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: I want a screen grab of that :D |
| 18:14.26 | meheren | ok thx looks like it will work |
| 18:14.44 | Bor_Ed | it should work now that you have everything required installed |
| 18:14.58 | meheren | ok |
| 18:15.07 | os2finn | Bor_ed: OS/server ran on top of OSFmach yesterday on mac9500/200 for 2 seconds yesterday but mach was not LE |
| 18:15.39 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: 9500? |
| 18:16.09 | os2finn | Bor_ed: yep |
| 18:16.21 | meheren | it worked |
| 18:16.23 | meheren | ! |
| 18:16.30 | meheren | :-) |
| 18:16.35 | Bor_Ed | meheren: btw, I've been trying to get a 'new' bootloader to run here whole day... the /topic certainly has a point :) |
| 18:17.17 | meheren | yes... it does |
| 18:17.27 | Coutal | while i'm trying to fix a mac display driver |
| 18:17.50 | Coutal | trying to tackle the exact same problem Bor_Ed is fighting, from another angle. |
| 18:18.02 | Bor_Ed | hehe, more or less |
| 18:18.15 | Coutal | well, why would you be so unhappy with bootx otherwise? |
| 18:18.30 | Bor_Ed | I don't have that much disk space here and would want standalone sys |
| 18:18.42 | Coutal | why not put in a bigger IDE drive then? |
| 18:18.54 | Bor_Ed | it ain't worth it on 16MB/s ide bus |
| 18:19.06 | Coutal | why not? it's dirt-cheap |
| 18:19.15 | Coutal | how much disk space do you have there? |
| 18:19.45 | Bor_Ed | I have 2+4G drives... 2G has root and mockos and usrland and home is on bigger |
| 18:20.14 | Bor_Ed | whoops, that didn't make sense :D |
| 18:20.15 | Coutal | eh... i've been given 6gb drives for free. i suppose you can get a 10gb one for 10$ or so. |
| 18:20.42 | Bor_Ed | 40G drive would be 45 euros but it's no use to put such beast in since the bus speed would be terribly slow |
| 18:20.51 | os2finn | Coutal: Bor_ed likes to punish himself with small hds :) |
| 18:21.10 | Coutal | 40gb is still 40gb, even if the speed is only MDMA2 (16MB/s) |
| 18:21.10 | Bor_Ed | I kinda like the HDs that do the job for the specced task |
| 18:21.23 | Coutal | i put a 80gb hard drive in my powermac 5500 |
| 18:21.35 | Coutal | besides, the bigger cache does work. |
| 18:21.39 | Bor_Ed | server has 1+2G of space and runs happily with ~80% disk usage |
| 18:21.40 | Coutal | so you do get better performance. |
| 18:21.52 | Coutal | yes but now i don't have to care about the 500mb mac partition |
| 18:22.16 | Coutal | while you have to work your ass off to get quik running properly :) |
| 18:22.42 | Bor_Ed | well, I want standalone sys after all, mockos can be on mol if I want such in the future, now it works just as an oversized bootloader |
| 18:22.47 | meheren | the nautalus is not working or something |
| 18:23.14 | Coutal | i do too, but quik is outdated and cannot boot non-ext2/ext3 file systems. if at all :) |
| 18:23.28 | Coutal | bootx is outdated as well, but complete. quik isn't. |
| 18:23.34 | meheren | i boot and it goes throuh all the procedures but it cetches at the nautilus |
| 18:23.41 | meheren | have any ideas? |
| 18:23.42 | Bor_Ed | well, I'm getting there to get it working on the ext3 converted to ext2 |
| 18:23.56 | Coutal | ext3 should be directly mountable as ext2 |
| 18:24.03 | Coutal | it will just happily ignore the journal. |
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| 18:24.15 | DelTree | ext3 is mountable as ext2 |
| 18:24.22 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: well why the kernel panics then while it has ext2 and 3 built in? :) |
| 18:24.59 | DelTree | that's another problem then... |
| 18:25.25 | DelTree | is the drive correctly handled ? |
| 18:26.33 | Bor_Ed | yup since quik 2nd stage and kernel loads from there |
| 18:26.47 | Bor_Ed | just pukes at rootfs :o |
| 18:27.06 | Bor_Ed | and bootx works with the install just fine |
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| 18:29.44 | Bor_Ed | google hasn't been too helpful either :I |
| 18:30.49 | meheren | Bor_ed: do you no what the nautilus is? |
| 18:31.10 | Bor_Ed | nautilus is gnome file manager afaik |
| 18:31.10 | meheren | because when i boot into gnome it always seems to fail |
| 18:31.22 | Bor_Ed | you probably have to install that too |
| 18:32.34 | meheren | alright |
| 18:32.38 | meheren | how |
| 18:32.45 | Bor_Ed | apt-get .... |
| 18:33.00 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache can dig the package for you |
| 18:33.07 | meheren | ok |
| 18:33.09 | meheren | thx |
| 18:33.16 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 18:36.51 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: :) |
| 18:37.27 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: what have I done now? :o |
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| 18:37.48 | SimonRaven | just replying to earlier |
| 18:37.52 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 18:37.55 | Bor_Ed | a bit late :P |
| 18:38.21 | Bor_Ed | still, I don't get it why the kernel whines about not able to mount the root= |
| 18:38.29 | os2finn | Bor_ed: It might be a good time to head to local joint :( |
| 18:38.32 | os2finn | :) |
| 18:38.39 | SimonRaven | went to sleep. was supposed to be asleep already, but for some reason i woke up, so stayed u a bit |
| 18:38.41 | os2finn | damn finnish keyboard |
| 18:39.04 | Bor_Ed | os2finn: local joint was buried 2 weeks back... and I have no dinero to get to downtown :( |
| 18:40.45 | os2finn | Bor_ed: Thats too bad, did Chinese take over meal business there already? |
| 18:41.26 | Bor_Ed | umm no :o |
| 18:42.06 | Bor_Ed | though I'd need to drop by to kiosk and test if my plastic money still works even though I don't have anything on the account :D |
| 18:42.31 | os2finn | Bor_ed: :) |
| 18:43.22 | Bor_Ed | it works at least in siwas and 10-kiosks... r hasn't been tested yet :D |
| 18:43.48 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: did you "fsck" it after disabling "has_journal"? |
| 18:44.11 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: what does "dumpe2fs" say about it now? |
| 18:44.15 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: yup, didn't change a thing, it suggested reboot though after altering FS |
| 18:44.26 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: I converted back to ext3 already |
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| 18:48.00 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i imagine it cannot be done while filesystem is mounted... |
| 18:49.44 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and of course one has to specify "ext2" instead of "ext3" as "type" in "/etc/fstab"... |
| 18:50.40 | os2finn | tgt bye all |
| 18:53.47 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: maybe "sparse_super" and other new filesystem features are not possible with "ext2" either... |
| 18:56.07 | DelTree | time to see if yellowdog does better than debian... |
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| 19:03.28 | Bor_Ed | back from kiosk |
| 19:04.00 | Coutal | i'm pissed from the long compile times. so i decided i'll compile a kernel with nothing but atyfb. |
| 19:04.00 | Coutal | :) |
| 19:04.14 | Coutal | just to test this |
| 19:04.30 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: I mounted the / as read only, changed has_journal, fsck'd it, changed fstab, rebooted... it was mounted as ext2 but quik/kernel paniced on root= |
| 19:09.14 | Q-FUNK | fstab edit? |
| 19:10.03 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: damn that |
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| 19:17.19 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: done that |
| 19:17.38 | Bor_Ed | switched back to ext2 and gives the same thingy again |
| 19:17.52 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 19:18.51 | Bor_Ed | bootx mounts it ok but quik pukes :o |
| 19:19.44 | SimonRaven | did you run quik -vf when you changed quik.conf? |
| 19:19.54 | Bor_Ed | -fvv |
| 19:20.00 | Bor_Ed | told that everything is ok |
| 19:20.48 | SimonRaven | you know partition= works now, eh? |
| 19:21.13 | Bor_Ed | partition=7 was the one I had to put up to get the quik even booting |
| 19:21.58 | SimonRaven | ok, what's root= ? |
| 19:22.14 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.45 | Bor_Ed | beats me why kernel pukes on it with VFS... buggr has ext2 and 3 built in :o |
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| 19:27.46 | MrNikel | Hi!. Do you know where can I get a ppc64 compiled version of libstdc++.so.5 ? I have libstdc++.so.6 but need 5 |
| 19:29.07 | _rene_ | just install it. |
| 19:29.29 | _rene_ | it's there. just an apt-get away. |
| 19:30.46 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: do you have the quik.conf in /boot or /etc? |
| 19:31.09 | SimonRaven | (with a symlink in /etc to the real one in /boot) |
| 19:31.49 | SimonRaven | (if it's in /boot already) |
| 19:35.20 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: in /etc |
| 19:35.22 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and i always thought "parted" or "gparted" can resize partitions and filesystems... they refused to work on my IEEE-1394 harddisk |
| 19:35.31 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: they're on the same partition though |
| 19:35.42 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: with separate /boot? |
| 19:35.45 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 19:36.19 | meheren | i have my ppc set up so it automatically boots into grafical interface is there a way to override that form happening? |
| 19:36.32 | meheren | is there a way to override gdm? |
| 19:36.32 | Bor_Ed | buggr is getting to my nerves big time :o |
| 19:36.44 | SimonRaven | @tell meheren -about nodm |
| 19:36.56 | Bor_Ed | meheren: 'linux init single' on boot loader |
| 19:37.44 | meheren | boot loader? |
| 19:37.59 | meheren | when it says hit enter to continue? |
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| 19:38.07 | Bor_Ed | yaboot or quik prompt or bootx app |
| 19:38.10 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:38.16 | deplagne | yellowdog is no better... |
| 19:38.27 | meheren | ok thx a lot you guys are really helpfull |
| 19:39.14 | deplagne | why is the cdrom not detected ? |
| 19:41.06 | pahartik | deplagne: "kernel does not have driver for bus that CD-ROM device is connected to"? |
| 19:42.16 | deplagne | pahartik: the problem is... that bus is simply the ide bus... |
| 19:42.49 | deplagne | pahartik: most simple... atapi cdrom on pci ide... |
| 19:44.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, quik-first.b-g3 didn't solve the quik issue either :o |
| 19:45.33 | deplagne | pahartik: do you have any idea ? |
| 19:46.19 | deplagne | (neither debian nor ubuntu nor yellowdog work) |
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| 19:52.17 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: right nowe you're booting via 'boot Linux root=/dev/hda7" ? |
| 19:52.30 | SimonRaven | s/nowe/now/ |
| 19:52.58 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: well trying... though I have the root line on quik.conf too |
| 19:53.27 | Bor_Ed | I have to boot via bootx since quik gives the VFS |
| 19:53.36 | Bor_Ed | : can't locate root= whine |
| 19:55.16 | SimonRaven | have support for IDE builtin i assume |
| 19:55.30 | Bor_Ed | doh :D |
| 19:55.31 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: can you mount it as "ext2" in installer? |
| 19:55.33 | Bor_Ed | ofcourse |
| 19:55.46 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: haven't tried the installer |
| 19:57.25 | deplagne | what kind of box ? |
| 19:57.36 | Bor_Ed | beige g3... |
| 19:58.18 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: about 20-30 minutes till it finishes compiling latest kernel. maybe this time would be it. |
| 19:58.53 | Bor_Ed | Coutal: I doubt... the prob is prolly on the mockos initing the fb |
| 19:59.17 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: but the 2.6.9 driver did manage it just nicely |
| 19:59.25 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
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| 20:08.45 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Hi! |
| 20:09.14 | SimonRaven | no i'm not ;p |
| 20:09.17 | Bor_Ed | low |
| 20:09.34 | Q-FUNK | I wanna take ya hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigher! |
| 20:09.44 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 20:09.59 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: you used to maintain quik... heard or seen such probs I'm having now? |
| 20:10.42 | SimonRaven | well everything seems ok, only thing i can think of is first and second.b needing some TLC |
| 20:11.34 | Coutal | anti-bitrot cure? |
| 20:12.08 | Coutal | i wonder how come quik initializes the video card properly and bootx doesn't. |
| 20:12.37 | Coutal | does quik do any video card tweaking by its own, before the kernel does? |
| 20:12.47 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 20:13.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill: definitely is not problem of the kernel, I load i2c-dev as a module (I've found it in /lib/modules/2.6.12-8-powerpc/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-dev.ko), so why KBD Ilumination doesn't like to work? |
| 20:13.10 | Coutal | that could prove to be an important clue. what does it do? |
| 20:13.24 | SimonRaven | well, i'm figuring since it was installed on ext3, it might need a bit of a kick in the ass |
| 20:13.41 | Coutal | oo0_JeS_0oo: you need the bridge as well - i2c-hydra or i2c-keywest or whatever else is appropriate for your machine. |
| 20:14.05 | SimonRaven | Coutal: the 'yeh' was for anti-bitrot cure. as to the video, quik uses the kernel since it calls the kernel from second.b |
| 20:14.40 | Coutal | SimonRaven: Bor_Ed reports that his ati card shows no corruption when booted from quik, but does show corruption when booting from bootx. i am wondering what could cause that. |
| 20:14.56 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Coutal: my machine is a powerbook5,6 and I want the pbbuttonsd's KDB_Ilumination to work |
| 20:15.42 | SimonRaven | that's something to do with bootx, i don't know the fine details |
| 20:15.48 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: TLC? |
| 20:15.53 | SimonRaven | @tlc |
| 20:15.54 | ravenbird | it has been said that tlc is Tender Loving Care |
| 20:16.03 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay... |
| 20:16.04 | Coutal | haha |
| 20:16.16 | deplagne | my machine is a powerbook5,9 and I don't care about kdb illumination... |
| 20:16.22 | SimonRaven | i.e., reinstall them |
| 20:16.30 | Bor_Ed | well I've tried that too but now I have the 5kg 'fine tuning' sledgehammer up |
| 20:16.34 | deplagne | I'd like it if it just would detect the install cdrom... |
| 20:16.42 | Coutal | SimonRaven: so why does quik need to know the internals of the filesystem anyway? can't it locate second.b directly, grub-style? |
| 20:16.43 | Bor_Ed | I've --purge reinstalled ~10 times |
| 20:16.51 | oo0_JeS_0oo | deplagne: you should care about it... |
| 20:16.52 | SimonRaven | deplagne: held down c while you had the install cd in it? |
| 20:17.17 | SimonRaven | Coutal: it doesn't work like grub, it works more like lilo. it's a silo derivative |
| 20:17.21 | DelTree | SimonRaven: that's after that... in the installer... |
| 20:17.40 | SimonRaven | oh, i see |
| 20:17.54 | DelTree | SimonRaven: it asks for language, country, keyboard... and just barks "hey, I can't detect my cd"... |
| 20:18.34 | oo0_JeS_0oo | SimonRaven: isn't it Firmware Yaboot? |
| 20:18.57 | DelTree | oo0_JeS_0oo: I'm far from caring about such cosmetic things... |
| 20:18.59 | SimonRaven | we're not talking about yaboot, and no it doesn't load firmware, if that's what you're saying |
| 20:19.31 | DelTree | oo0_JeS_0oo: maybe when everything else will work... ;) |
| 20:20.02 | SimonRaven | DelTree: sarge? |
| 20:20.09 | DelTree | SimonRaven: yep... |
| 20:20.27 | DelTree | SimonRaven: sarge, ubuntu... even yellowdog... |
| 20:21.42 | Coutal | doesn't lilo work so aswell? i remember that you get a "LI" prompt if it can't jump to the right sector |
| 20:21.55 | DelTree | lilo is x86... |
| 20:22.24 | DelTree | read too quickly as it seems... |
| 20:22.32 | SimonRaven | grub doesn't write to sectors, lilo does |
| 20:22.52 | SimonRaven | same for quik |
| 20:24.28 | oo0_JeS_0oo | DelTree: Only Airport Extreme currently does not work on GNU/Linux; apart from that the rest is supposed to run on a powerbook |
| 20:24.57 | Bor_Ed | AE works... /topic |
| 20:25.09 | DelTree | oo0_JeS_0oo: alright... but for now the installer does not even see the cdrom... |
| 20:25.19 | DelTree | AE works ?! |
| 20:25.24 | SimonRaven | kinda |
| 20:25.26 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 20:25.30 | SimonRaven | doesn't pass packets yet |
| 20:26.00 | SimonRaven | . o O ( that sounded like "doesn't pass gas yet" but anyway ) |
| 20:27.10 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: want to see my quik.conf if you could see the obvious from it? |
| 20:27.21 | SimonRaven | yes please |
| 20:27.30 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 20:27.32 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debianppc or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debianppc, and paste away. |
| 20:27.37 | Bor_Ed | drop by to #bor_ed |
| 20:28.33 | Bor_Ed | ... |
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| 20:35.25 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Does any of you have keyboard backlight runnig on his/her powerbook with pbbuttonsd daemon? |
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| 20:36.54 | SimonRaven | no, don't have a pb |
| 20:38.22 | SimonRaven | how many times did you try the hardware detection? |
| 20:39.31 | DelTree | ? |
| 20:39.32 | oo0_JeS_0oo | SimonRaven: Are you refering to me? |
| 20:44.35 | DelTree | what is chrp/prep ? |
| 20:45.01 | SimonRaven | ppc sub-arches |
| 20:45.31 | Bor_Ed | common hardware reference platrorm and powerpc reference platform... ppc archs |
| 20:46.30 | DelTree | and powerbook is what subarch ? |
| 20:46.44 | Bor_Ed | pmac |
| 20:46.57 | SimonRaven | pmac. which is prep+apple stuff |
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| 20:48.18 | Bor_Ed | DelTree: welcome to the club |
| 20:49.36 | DelTree | could vmlinuz-prep.initrd be better that vmlinux ? |
| 20:51.31 | SimonRaven | no |
| 20:52.04 | DelTree | do I have any chance to install debian on powerbook5,9 ? |
| 20:52.33 | SimonRaven | probably |
| 20:53.38 | DelTree | I don't have the slightest idea about what i should do... |
| 20:53.46 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 20:53.47 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 20:53.55 | SimonRaven | when in doubt, RTFM |
| 20:54.18 | DelTree | install guide says nothing interesting... |
| 20:54.37 | SimonRaven | wow, you read quickly |
| 20:54.48 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 20:55.24 | DelTree | An Installation Guide is included on this CD at |
| 20:55.25 | DelTree | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.34 | DelTree | it's that, isn't it ? |
| 20:55.39 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 20:55.54 | DelTree | full of useless... nothing useful... |
| 20:56.38 | DelTree | chapter 1... noting interessing... not for me at least... |
| 20:56.57 | Q-FUNK | http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/11/03#20051103_gcc33vs40 |
| 20:57.01 | Q-FUNK | pretty nice |
| 20:57.02 | SimonRaven | play-by-play isn't needed, thanks |
| 20:57.07 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: -^ |
| 20:57.14 | DelTree | fsck... it's the many-files version... |
| 20:57.27 | DelTree | read the pdf... nothing interesting... |
| 20:58.03 | SimonRaven | @scrape google for powerbook5,9 debian install |
| 20:58.19 | DelTree | 1 link only... |
| 20:58.24 | DelTree | not interesting... |
| 20:58.25 | SimonRaven | @google for powerbook5,9 debian install |
| 20:58.37 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 20:58.39 | DelTree | or you're really luckier than me... |
| 20:58.46 | SimonRaven | @search google for powerbook5,9 debian install |
| 20:58.57 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 20:59.00 | SimonRaven | !search google for powerbook5,9 debian install |
| 20:59.09 | SimonRaven | @kill ravenbird |
| 20:59.25 | DelTree | oh yes... "powerbook5,9" debian install gives 1 link... |
| 20:59.30 | demon | I saw something on debian-powerpc awhile back re: the fact that the packaged kernels like to blow up on IDE detection in certain cases on the blue&white G3... anyone know if the 2.6.14 kernel packages fix that? |
| 20:59.50 | DelTree | without the "" many nothing... |
| 21:00.09 | DelTree | "no problem"... "all well"... |
| 21:00.45 | DelTree | grrr... I'm getting cynical... |
| 21:00.45 | SimonRaven | demon: ask svenl |
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| 21:02.35 | SimonRaven | is it this thing? http://pubwww.fhzh.ch/~mgloor/powerbook.html |
| 21:03.41 | DelTree | mine is 17"...... and 1.67 GHz... not quite the same... |
| 21:07.33 | Q-FUNK | http://blog.zugschlus.de/exit.php?url=aHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmRlYmlhbi5vcmcvZGViaWFuLXByb2plY3QvMjAwNS8xMC9tc2cwMDA2NS5odG1s&entry_id=241 |
| 21:07.38 | Q-FUNK | pretty amazing |
| 21:08.15 | SimonRaven | ISA? |
| 21:11.42 | Curalton | did you mean the ISV - independent software vendor? |
| 21:12.42 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 21:12.54 | SimonRaven | "The reason our upgrade system works so well is in part due to the chaotic |
| 21:12.56 | SimonRaven | nature of our organisation." |
| 21:13.31 | Coutal | i think that's something ISV's *really* like to hear :P |
| 21:13.51 | Q-FUNK | indeed ;) |
| 21:14.12 | SimonRaven | awesome |
| 21:14.22 | Curalton | should've chosen a better euphemism for that |
| 21:15.55 | SimonRaven | BBIAB, need to get food and stuff |
| 21:16.40 | DelTree | *nothing*... :/ |
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| 21:34.24 | SimonRaven | back |
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| 21:56.43 | DelTree | alright... last try for today... |
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| 22:18.27 | deplagne | I barely can believe it... |
| 22:18.34 | deplagne | no ide-core module... |
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| 22:27.17 | pahartik | DelTree: so loading that helped? |
| 22:27.26 | DelTree | ? |
| 22:27.44 | DelTree | loading what ? |
| 22:28.21 | DelTree | I just launched hwdetect from the shell in the install... |
| 22:28.33 | DelTree | and it barked about ide modules missing... |
| 22:28.43 | DelTree | ide-core, to start with... |
| 22:29.22 | DelTree | and I don't find it in packages.debian.org either... :/ |
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| 22:42.03 | DelTree | eek... I don't even find the kernel-image for powerpc on the ftps... |
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| 22:42.58 | lost626 | hey is anyone here running Sid? |
| 22:44.13 | lost626 | I have a few problems that I don't quite understand and need help on |
| 22:44.39 | DelTree | having problems with sid is quite natural... |
| 22:44.56 | lost626 | has anyone tried building it? |
| 22:45.08 | lost626 | specifically automake or autoconf? |
| 22:45.19 | DelTree | I'm presently having a hard time installing stable... |
| 22:45.31 | lost626 | oh maybe I can help, what's up? |
| 22:45.48 | DelTree | just plain no ide support in the installer... |
| 22:46.26 | lost626 | did you check what modules are loaded? |
| 22:46.44 | DelTree | I checked that ide-core module is missing... |
| 22:47.06 | lost626 | what about modprobe insmod? |
| 22:47.08 | lost626 | oops |
| 22:47.10 | lost626 | sorry |
| 22:47.17 | lost626 | modprobe ide-core |
| 22:47.26 | DelTree | it is not there... |
| 22:47.41 | DelTree | there is no ide-core in /lib/modules.... |
| 22:47.58 | lost626 | what's the kernel version? |
| 22:48.26 | DelTree | 2.6.8 if I get it right... |
| 22:48.52 | DelTree | debian-31r0a |
| 22:49.03 | lost626 | I have no ide_core loaded either |
| 22:49.13 | lost626 | did you try modprobe ide_disk? |
| 22:49.25 | DelTree | hwdetect says it wants ide-core... |
| 22:49.45 | lost626 | I think that may be built into the kernel |
| 22:49.53 | DelTree | yep... |
| 22:50.23 | DelTree | and it being built into the kernel may well prevent other modules depending on it from insmod-ing... |
| 22:51.15 | lost626 | when compiled into the kernel doesn't that eliminate the need for modules to depend on that module? |
| 22:51.32 | lost626 | can't they just depend on the kernel? |
| 22:51.34 | DelTree | not when the kernel makefiles are buggy... |
| 22:51.45 | DelTree | and they are on many points... |
| 22:51.46 | lost626 | what platform are you running on? |
| 22:51.55 | DelTree | powerbook5,9 |
| 22:52.03 | lost626 | g3 or 4? |
| 22:52.09 | DelTree | G4 |
| 22:52.14 | lost626 | hmm |
| 22:52.36 | lost626 | I'm running a g4 dual 450 and have never had disk problems like that |
| 22:53.18 | DelTree | what I'm having to start with is the installer ask for language, country and keyboard and then bark "hey, I can't find my cd"... |
| 22:53.19 | lost626 | so you have no /dev/hda anything? |
| 22:53.27 | DelTree | no /dev/ide/* |
| 22:53.39 | DelTree | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.09 | lost626 | I have no /dev/ide |
| 22:54.13 | DelTree | hwdetect says it wants ide-core... which is nowhere in /lib/modules.... |
| 22:54.22 | DelTree | no /dev/hd* either |
| 22:54.28 | lost626 | oh |
| 22:54.59 | lost626 | I think I remember reading someone had a similar problem to that in Woody |
| 22:55.01 | DelTree | the /dev tree is an udev one... since I believe devfs is dead in 2.6 isn't it ? |
| 22:55.16 | lost626 | I am honestly not a kernel man |
| 22:55.38 | lost626 | but I am pretty sure that's how it works |
| 22:55.55 | lost626 | the lfs system I just built a week ago said something like that |
| 22:56.21 | DelTree | I had the same problem with woody on another box... I just installed yellowdog at that time... |
| 22:56.27 | lost626 | is /dev mounted right? |
| 22:56.32 | DelTree | but now yellowdog goes the same... |
| 22:56.58 | lost626 | when you run df -h does it show /dev as being mounted? |
| 22:57.00 | DelTree | I have some subdirectories in /dev |
| 22:57.13 | DelTree | didn't check what df says... |
| 22:57.28 | DelTree | probably has no -h option... in busybox... |
| 22:57.44 | lost626 | that's the easiest way I know how to see what's mounted |
| 22:58.46 | DelTree | append="devfs=mount,dall init=/linuxrc --" |
| 22:58.56 | DelTree | that's from yaboot.conf |
| 22:59.36 | _rene_ | people still use devfs? .... |
| 22:59.38 | lost626 | I have no idea what that means, but I just checked what I have, and df doesn't report my /dev as being mounted |
| 22:59.59 | lost626 | so I am not sure how debian handles /dev |
| 23:00.16 | lost626 | _rene_ I am not sure what the difference is |
| 23:01.20 | DelTree | another thing... where can I dl the kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc from ? |
| 23:01.38 | DelTree | I just don't find where it is hidden on the mirrors... |
| 23:02.47 | lost626 | oh shoot, I am in command line ofonly right now, I could probably help if I was in xorg |
| 23:03.33 | lost626 | all my damn terminal windows are blacked out when I open them, and I was hoping to get some help |
| 23:03.41 | lost626 | that's why I am here |
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| 23:10.06 | lost626 | sorry DelTree I hopped to the debian channel, but they are too busy talking about so many other things |
| 23:11.06 | lost626 | do you have another version of linux installed DelTree? |
| 23:12.52 | DelTree | no... |
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| 23:13.23 | DelTree | and ubuntu and yellowdog cds do the same bug... |
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| 23:36.27 | DelTree | Linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet. Simply proceeding with the install may make these modules available later. |
| 23:38.02 | DelTree | The unavailable modules, and the devices that need them are: ide-core (Linux IDE support), ide-mod (Linux IDE driver), ide-probe-mod (Linux IDE probe driver), ide-detect (Linux IDE detection), ide-generic (Linux IDE support) |
| 23:43.07 | SimonRaven | DelTree: ask in #debian-boot. be nice, they tend to be rather busy |
| 23:45.05 | DelTree | then I might go later... but not now... I wouldn't be nice... |
| 23:46.52 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 23:52.59 | DelTree | I don't quite see how I'll possibly do... |
| 23:53.51 | SimonRaven | you seem a bit down about this. may i suggest taking a break from it for a little while? |
| 23:54.30 | DelTree | You have searched for ide-generic.ko in stable, architecture powerpc. |
| 23:54.31 | DelTree | Can't find that file, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
| 23:54.41 | DelTree | *that* makes me especially down... |
| 23:55.03 | SimonRaven | probably built-in, and probably not needed anyway |
| 23:55.08 | DelTree | in x86, it does exist... |
| 23:55.22 | DelTree | I strongly doubt it... |
| 23:55.59 | SimonRaven | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC=y |
| 23:55.59 | SimonRaven | # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC_ATA100FIRST is not set |
| 23:56.00 | SimonRaven | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PMAC=y |
| 23:56.06 | DelTree | pretty much looks like debian is really broken... |
| 23:56.16 | SimonRaven | you might want ATA100FIRST, depending |
| 23:56.45 | SimonRaven | they might be =m in the installer kernel. did you try starting the install with expert mode? |
| 23:57.07 | DelTree | I got a shell in the installer... |
| 23:57.15 | DelTree | and they are *not* there... |
| 23:57.19 | SimonRaven | not what i mean |
| 23:57.28 | DelTree | and they are not more there in packages.d.o |
| 23:57.37 | DelTree | so I won't find them... |
| 23:57.47 | DelTree | so I'm fucked... |
| 23:58.30 | DelTree | I tried the expert mode... but wth do you want it to give better when that stupid thing just cannot find itself ? |
| 23:58.43 | SimonRaven | no. well, i'd go ask, they'll know something i don't |
| 23:59.11 | SimonRaven | i had that happen before, so did others... you might want to re-burn it maybe? |
| 23:59.26 | DelTree | and if they where built in... hwdetect wouldn't ask for them, would it ? |
| 23:59.47 | SimonRaven | or in the initrd |