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| 00:02.37 | benoitc | how to have wifi on pbg4 airport extreme? do u know any pcmcia card that work ? |
| 00:02.46 | benoitc | is it better to use usb ? |
| 00:03.20 | dj-death | there is no way to plug a pcmcia card on pbg4 |
| 00:11.01 | dylanre | yaboot always fails. any idea? |
| 00:11.05 | dylanre | well, fails to install |
| 00:13.26 | pahartik | dj-death: no PCMCIA, but some of them have PC Card slot... |
| 00:14.59 | benoitc | cardbus |
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| 00:18.29 | dylanre | yaboot always fails to install. any ideas? |
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| 03:12.58 | pahartik | how does one define kernel image and initrd image to be loaded at "quik" prompt? |
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| 05:34.53 | mehul | anyone know what Java Runtime Environment I can use on my Debian/ppc ? |
| 05:46.06 | demon | IBM's JDK 1.4.2 works alright for me |
| 05:46.22 | demon | it doesn't have a browser plugin tho |
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| 06:43.56 | mehul | what I need is the browser plugin .. |
| 06:44.05 | mehul | any solution for that ? |
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| 07:26.50 | midg3t | is there a magic sysrq combo for ibooks? according to the kernel docs it required a print screen/f13 key. my ibook has neither. there is a patch on ozlabs.org enabling func+esc to be used, but it presumably isn't in mainline because it doesn't work on 2.6.14-1-powerpc |
| 07:27.56 | SimonRaven | debian kernels aren't vanilla, debian patches upstream |
| 07:28.39 | midg3t | well it presumably isn't in the debian kernel. |
| 07:28.46 | SimonRaven | so any patches you apply you need to fetch vanilla (i call it mainline), then apply patches. there's also debian patch package, that's the patches they add |
| 07:29.28 | midg3t | i was hoping there would be some other key combo i haven't come across, but i'll compile my own if i have to |
| 07:29.40 | SimonRaven | you'll have to |
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| 12:36.54 | karim | is hfsplus stable from 2.6.12 kernel ? |
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| 12:44.32 | lixus | karim, do not know but there are most probably some docs in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/hfs.txt |
| 12:44.39 | arnaud | hi |
| 12:51.46 | karim | hello |
| 12:54.20 | lixus | i was using hfsplus even in 2.4.22 without any issues |
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| 12:59.02 | karim | lixus, you could mount again from osx ? |
| 12:59.06 | karim | after writting |
| 12:59.07 | karim | ? |
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| 13:10.10 | karim | ok the driver I used on panther doesn't work on Tiger :-/ ext2fsx |
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| 13:33.01 | pahartik | after installing Sarge, "vmlinux-2.6.8-powerpc" and "initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc" are on "ext2" "/boot/"... kernel gets loaded with "quik" but initrd probably does not... |
| 13:33.37 | Bor_Ed | whines VFS: unable to mount rootfs? |
| 13:37.00 | karim | hey |
| 13:37.08 | karim | anyone ever used UFS file system ? |
| 13:37.28 | karim | I want to share a data partition between linux an OS X |
| 13:37.59 | Bor_Ed | use vfat... |
| 13:38.08 | karim | I have read that OS X inherits UFS from opendarwin |
| 13:38.21 | karim | Bor_Ed, no ... |
| 13:38.28 | karim | plz no fat ^^ |
| 13:38.40 | Bor_Ed | good luck then... |
| 13:38.46 | karim | if I seen a ufs.ko module into linux modules |
| 13:39.39 | Bor_Ed | there is some support on the kernel but dunno what kind of... |
| 13:39.47 | karim | mmm |
| 13:40.02 | karim | so in your opinion the risk would come more from linux side |
| 13:40.11 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 13:40.28 | johill | does anyone have the java plugin working in galeon? it seems to be ok in firefox, but galeon doesn't do anything at all |
| 13:40.49 | Bor_Ed | I have it working on mozilla 1.7.x |
| 13:40.58 | Bor_Ed | galeon should work too |
| 13:41.10 | johill | hm |
| 13:42.01 | Bor_Ed | application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.4.2_01 GCJ class,jar Yes |
| 13:42.17 | Bor_Ed | I have jre 5.0 installed though... the plugin only catches up to 1.4.2 :o |
| 13:43.06 | johill | gcj? |
| 13:43.25 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 13:43.49 | Bor_Ed | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051009 Debian/1.7.12-1 |
| 13:43.52 | Bor_Ed | browser... |
| 13:44.25 | johill | hmm. there's some bug with it in firefox. firefox goes into a tight select() loop with a timeout of 0 |
| 13:45.43 | johill | well, if it works for you I'll look at it more closely later :) |
| 13:45.57 | karim | Bor_Ed, ok it's read only on linux |
| 13:46.06 | Bor_Ed | karim: suspected something like that |
| 13:47.29 | johill | Bor_Ed: try map24.com |
| 13:47.45 | johill | (just enter some address, say Hannover, Germany or so) |
| 13:48.10 | Bor_Ed | dropped me to finnish site |
| 13:48.44 | johill | heh |
| 13:48.58 | johill | that's ok, I didn't really know what countries they have now. but their plugin crashes firefox for me |
| 13:49.57 | Bor_Ed | 'wait for application to be loaded...' on the jre frame |
| 13:50.09 | johill | hm. that's probably a good thing |
| 13:50.24 | johill | it hangs for me before the java start animation is even finished |
| 13:50.35 | Bor_Ed | hangs there |
| 13:50.45 | johill | strace firefox |
| 13:52.03 | Bor_Ed | category selection is flash... no go here :D |
| 13:53.28 | johill | heh |
| 14:23.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: one can easily use NFS to share filesystem between MacOS X and other Unix :) |
| 14:24.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but yes, that is probably what i get, and reboot 180 seconds later |
| 14:26.10 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: terminal is too slow to keep up with kernel messages at 38400 bits per second when it has to scroll... |
| 14:27.58 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but since kernel loads, i think i will just create kernel package without "initrd" and boot installer to mount installed system and install kernel... |
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| 14:58.46 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: doesn't work without initrd either... been there, done that |
| 15:00.09 | Bor_Ed | looks like the issue ain't with the ext3->ext2 conversion after all |
| 15:12.20 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "quik" newer worked for you? |
| 15:13.10 | Bor_Ed | quik used to work on me on the 7200, 8200, 4400 and in this... though I started to experience probs on clean install around couple of years back and decided to go with the bloated bootloader way (mockos/bootx) |
| 15:14.25 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: it works on PowerMacintosh 7500 and worked on PowerMacintosh 7300 but now i have to reinstall after "/" harddisk passed out |
| 15:15.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I wonder of woody quik would work :o |
| 15:15.18 | Bor_Ed | dirst off, to b.d.o |
| 15:15.32 | Bor_Ed | which crashed my moz :I |
| 15:17.08 | Bor_Ed | no open bugs :o |
| 15:19.29 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: and Advansys SCSI driver is broken on Linux 2.6 and recent Linux 2.4... but i want to use Linux 2.6 because of much better DVB drivers |
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| 15:47.48 | Bor_Ed | whoopee... now I managed to fsck up whole 2.6 kernel... and INIT :I |
| 15:52.31 | demon | yay |
| 15:52.35 | demon | nicely done |
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| 15:55.01 | Bor_Ed | yup :D |
| 15:55.13 | Bor_Ed | picking up now 2.6.14.2 and try that :P |
| 16:10.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "quik" actually worked with "initrd.img-2.6.8-powerpc" after i rewrote "/boot/etc/quik.conf" "from scratch" |
| 16:11.39 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: Sarge installer is not smart enough to create it at all when "/boot/" is separate "ext2" filesystem |
| 16:12.59 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.07 | Bor_Ed | I'm using /etc/quik.conf :o |
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| 16:16.07 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: configuration has to reside on same filesystem with kernels and stuff |
| 16:17.09 | Bor_Ed | yup, I have /boot in / filesystem |
| 16:19.40 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "quik" does not want to play with "jfs" or "ext3", so... |
| 16:20.39 | Bor_Ed | quik plays with ext3 if it's cleanly umounted... though I have / fs ext2 |
| 16:20.41 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: well, it seems not to mind about "ext3" as long as system does not crash... |
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| 16:25.05 | p8tr | Hi, all! having this msg at boot since one year and wanna know how to fix it: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 16:25.36 | p8tr | seems like there is no /dev/rtc, am running udev, but don't know how to create the rtc... |
| 16:25.44 | demon | quoi? |
| 16:25.45 | p8tr | is there a ppc-specific problem? |
| 16:25.57 | demon | are you running a locally built kernel? |
| 16:27.10 | p8tr | demon: yup |
| 16:27.47 | demon | did you enable generic RTC support in the kernel? |
| 16:29.28 | pahartik | p8tr: "CONFIG_GEN_RTC=y" and "CONFIG_GEN_RTC_X=y" in "/boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
| 16:29.30 | p8tr | demon: thanks |
| 16:29.35 | p8tr | demon: that's it |
| 16:29.44 | p8tr | demon: disabled |
| 16:30.10 | p8tr | pahartik: thanks too :-) |
| 16:33.27 | Bor_Ed | lessee if the new kernel finally boots with the quik... started the build now |
| 16:33.37 | p8tr | another thing: how come sudo asks for a password again after one year or so? the only thing i changed was setting the date one day back or forth. I know that sudo uses some timestamps, but not sure... |
| 16:35.34 | pahartik | p8tr: "sudo" timeout depends on time |
| 16:40.26 | p8tr | pahartik: but why then a new (initial) password request, you know the think-before-you-type dialog? |
| 16:42.45 | pahartik | p8tr: i think initial message comes again if user does "sudo -K"... |
| 16:43.44 | pahartik | p8tr: "sudo -k" sets timestamp back to epoch, "sudo -K" removes timestamp |
| 16:44.28 | pahartik | p8tr: i do not know if that was answer to your question |
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| 16:49.08 | cees | can someone help me? Airport 802.11g |
| 16:49.45 | p8tr | pahartik: but that makes some connection between the timestamps and and the initial password, that's good! |
| 16:49.52 | pahartik | cees: no, only Airport 802.11b |
| 16:51.32 | pahartik | p8tr: "sudo" privileges time out after 10 idle minutes (i think) in Debian by default |
| 16:51.51 | p8tr | pahartik: just afraid someone cracked my box :-) |
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| 16:54.12 | p8tr | pahartik: but my problem is not so much about the timeout of sudo, but about sth that reset the password. |
| 16:55.53 | cees | someone help me? My Ibook, in Battery, sleeps so soon |
| 16:56.02 | p8tr | pahartik: but that's fine. |
| 16:56.11 | pahartik | p8tr: ummm, what happens and what do you think should happen? |
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| 17:00.12 | jpablo | hi, any idea how can i boot the debian installer from OF |
| 17:00.34 | jpablo | something similar to what is described here: http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html#run_installer but with sarge |
| 17:01.16 | jpablo | im trying to boot boot.img from http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/hd-media/ but it Of says imrecpgmozed client program format |
| 17:02.55 | jpablo | i guess i somehow need to boot yaboot first ? |
| 17:03.02 | jpablo | where can i find it ? |
| 17:04.46 | p8tr | pahartik: well, when i used sudo for the first time i had to specify my password, then i was happily using it. Now it asks me to specify my passwd again, as if i'd never used it. |
| 17:05.54 | p8tr | pahartik: i don't like entering passwds without a reason, so i thought i'd search for an explanation. |
| 17:09.25 | pahartik | p8tr: it asks for password again after timeout... |
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| 17:12.04 | p8tr | pahartik: the default 10min timeout i understand, but it is an initial request after more than one year. Anyway, not so important. |
| 17:21.29 | p8tr | pahartik: thanks, goodbye! |
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| 17:35.30 | DelTree | hi... |
| 17:35.47 | DelTree | how can I mount some usb stick from the installer ? |
| 17:36.22 | DelTree | it adds things in the devfs tree... but nothing mounts... |
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| 18:52.32 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: 2.6.14 didn't fix the VFS panic... doing another try with some adjustments on fs support |
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| 21:46.05 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: "glxgears" gives adorable score of "347.200" on PowerMacintosh 7300 with PowerPC 604e and Radeon 9200 |
| 21:46.56 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: ...just testing X.org server here... |
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| 22:09.07 | johill | anyone here with some knowledge in 802.11 or willingness to learn and live bleeding edge? we need people to write some scanning code etc etc. for the bcm43xx project :) |
| 22:16.15 | _rene_ | hmm. hows Linux support with the newest generation ibooks? |
| 22:16.38 | _rene_ | as good as the series before that? |
| 22:19.16 | johill | I heard from benh that the touchpad wasn't working (well, in the latest powerbooks that is, but they're usually the same) |
| 22:21.29 | _rene_ | wasn't working *at all*? |
| 22:21.43 | johill | yeah |
| 22:21.55 | _rene_ | *shrugs* |
| 22:22.04 | _rene_ | so far for having an iBook... |
| 22:22.06 | johill | just like the post-february powerbooks touchpad didn't work at all before I reverse engineered it ;) |
| 22:22.14 | johill | but it's usb as well, so shouldn't be too hard |
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| 23:34.07 | Tyler19_88 | Can someone help me with Debian on my Mac? I want to just remove it now and load OS X |
| 23:34.45 | johill | insert osx cd, reboot, done. |
| 23:36.14 | Tyler19_88 | I have done that...but it keeps running linux. I messed up on loading Debian. I didnt install the graphics interface right. |
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| 23:45.17 | Tyler19_88 | Can someone help me with Debian on my Mac? I want to just remove it now and load OS X |
| 23:48.33 | Tyler19_88 | sorry i didnt mean to copy it on here |
| 23:49.25 | Tyler19_88 | jogill: i am at a screen that says tyler@Tyler-mac:~$ |
| 23:50.48 | johill | Tyler19_88: if you installed osx correctly, this wouldn't be happening |
| 23:51.00 | johill | if you want to blow it all away tell osx's disk utility to format your hd |
| 23:51.07 | johill | during the install you can pull it up from the menu |