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| 00:14.16 | lost626 | hey what is the appropriate diff argument to make a diff file for a debian package |
| 00:15.00 | lost626 | I tried -urN but it gave me an error |
| 00:15.00 | witch | or a bug report? |
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| 01:06.31 | stazich | hey, when i was installing Debian Sarge, i was using expert install and during the installation, i was asked to enter a figure.. between 0 and -10.. and it was said that this figure would correlate to the distribution of system resourced between daemons and apps... i put -5 in there.. nut now realise i want to change it over to 0... :) how can i do that does anyone know? |
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| 01:33.16 | lost626 | Does anyone know here how often packages are taken from Ubuntu AND CONVERTED TO BE INSTALLABLE IN dEBIAN? |
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| 01:33.55 | lost626 | as some may know here I am working on building gnome-2.12 in debian testing |
| 01:34.34 | lost626 | and there was no gnome-control-center for 2.12 in the pool, so I took one from Ubuntu and converted it, and I was wondering if that was an acceptable practice |
| 01:48.30 | lost626 | also when making a diff file for a package is there a specific diff option that I would use so that diff -Naur etc wouldn't appear before every difference in the file? |
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| 02:06.13 | sjh | is there some way to run the debian installer from a running linux system to install on a partition or similar? debootstrap does not quite do this as you still need to configure stuyff by hand rather than go threough the instal process. |
| 02:06.17 | sjh | woops |
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| 03:33.02 | stazich | hi, can anyone tell me hopw to add repositories with less stable programs to my synaptic?? |
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| 11:19.01 | Corsac | mpf |
| 11:19.09 | Corsac | they didn't apply fn-key patch to 2.6.14-2 |
| 11:33.56 | midg3t | for magic sysrq? |
| 11:36.10 | Corsac | what ? |
| 11:46.40 | midg3t | there is a patch around the woods that makes Fn+Esc the magic sysrq combo for ppc. see Documentation/sysrq.txt for details |
| 11:51.29 | Corsac | no i was talking about fn key on powerbook keyboards, which permit Next/Prev, Home/End etc.. |
| 11:51.47 | midg3t | oh |
| 11:51.56 | midg3t | does it send a keysym? |
| 11:52.08 | midg3t | nevermind |
| 11:52.13 | midg3t | i'm an ibook looney |
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| 13:22.14 | otavio | hi folks |
| 13:22.27 | otavio | anyone here using 2.6.15-rc1 or newer? |
| 13:36.34 | nefertum | do you know any way to turn off the ibook touchpad when i connect a usb mouse? |
| 13:46.14 | otavio | i don't |
| 13:46.27 | otavio | nefertum: ahh, i think pbbuttons has something for it |
| 13:50.08 | nefertum | mm ok otavio , thanks |
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| 14:35.30 | Coutal | say, is there any way to boot quik with an ext2 floppy or an ext2 cd? |
| 14:36.12 | Bor_Ed | if you can figure out a way, let me know |
| 14:36.29 | Coutal | still no luck with quik eh |
| 14:36.56 | Bor_Ed | well, it loads but kernel panics... I might have time this weekend to put the scsi disk in for some more tests |
| 14:38.22 | Coutal | it's still useful for me, but i don't have an ext2 partition to place the kernel on |
| 14:39.41 | Bor_Ed | quik works with clean ext3 too |
| 14:40.03 | Coutal | i only have one xfs partition on that system, with the rest being apple partitions |
| 14:40.13 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
| 14:40.25 | Bor_Ed | you're using bootx? |
| 14:40.27 | Coutal | yeah |
| 14:40.41 | Bor_Ed | did you drop the extension to extensions folder on mockos? |
| 14:40.53 | Coutal | yes, isn't that how bootx works? |
| 14:41.06 | Bor_Ed | it can be used from desktop too |
| 14:41.19 | Coutal | yeah well i want the machine to auto-boot linux |
| 14:41.24 | Coutal | unless i have a need to go to macos |
| 14:41.40 | pahartik | Coutal: did you point me to "http://www.rapierbit.org/linux/de4x5.html" some days ago? |
| 14:41.46 | Coutal | pahartik: yes, i did |
| 14:41.53 | Coutal | it works for me |
| 14:42.15 | Coutal | pahartik: say, can you boot your system with both quik and bootx? there's something i have to compare |
| 14:43.14 | pahartik | Coutal: i do have both on PowerMacintosh 7300 |
| 14:43.40 | Coutal | pahartik: but the powermac 7300 doesn't exhibit the bug with the 3 bands of distortion |
| 14:43.47 | Coutal | if it does, it's what i need. |
| 14:44.24 | Coutal | actually, i have an idea how i can boot my box! |
| 14:44.25 | pahartik | Coutal: not with Radeon 9200 or Control |
| 14:44.26 | Coutal | tftp! |
| 14:45.10 | Coutal | pahartik: yeah, i need one with the Rage II |
| 14:45.53 | Coutal | well, boot floppies should work just fine, as they don't use bootx. |
| 14:46.28 | pahartik | Coutal: Linux 2.6.14.2 did not like that patch |
| 14:46.58 | Coutal | pahartik: how did it break? |
| 14:47.11 | Coutal | not compile at all, reject the patch? |
| 14:47.18 | Coutal | or compiled but broke |
| 14:47.51 | pahartik | Coutal: transceiver was still switching on its own and after trying to unplug cable few times it got "oops" |
| 14:48.25 | Coutal | pahartik: that is reminiscent of the de2104x driver. did you make sure that de4x5 got loaded instead? debian likes loading the other one. |
| 14:48.42 | Coutal | and de2104x breaks my system too |
| 14:49.01 | pahartik | Coutal: oh... |
| 14:49.33 | Coutal | i just removed de2104x from my modules |
| 14:53.07 | pahartik | Coutal: module changed, now trying to switch cable... |
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| 14:57.29 | Coutal | too bad this fix can never make it into the kernel |
| 15:01.14 | pahartik | Coutal: why is that? |
| 15:01.54 | Coutal | it affects the driver in a severe way on every other platform |
| 15:04.42 | Bor_Ed | hmm, does debian install as-is to psion series 5mx or do I have to use hacked tarballs? |
| 15:05.00 | Bor_Ed | the port site isn't too helpfull |
| 15:07.47 | Coutal | i've started a compilation of a bare-bones kernel to debug the rage II |
| 15:09.07 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: what's wrong with it? |
| 15:09.37 | Coutal | how does one create a powerpc boot floppy anyway? |
| 15:09.38 | Bor_Ed | colors are wrong after some sparks got loose on the connector when I switched the tft screen from one computer to another |
| 15:10.13 | Coutal | that sucks. is it onboard or a pci card? |
| 15:10.35 | Bor_Ed | pci |
| 15:11.09 | pahartik | Coutal: things it changes are inside "#ifdef __powerpc__" |
| 15:12.02 | Coutal | pahartik: there might be non-mac ppc machines with this card, or powermac machines with this card as a pci card. |
| 15:13.56 | Coutal | there might be a good way of doing that, though. i doubt apple ever made a real PCI version of the de21040 card. so all we need to do is check the mac address. |
| 15:14.05 | Coutal | these cards have apple MAC addresses. |
| 15:14.08 | Coutal | s/mac/MAC |
| 15:16.01 | Coutal | but this structure currently lives as a #define, and thus might not be modifiable at "run time" |
| 15:16.21 | pahartik | Coutal: there could also be "Apple CommSlot II ethernet adapter fix" kernel option for that driver? |
| 15:16.31 | Coutal | i doubt that would ever get accepted. |
| 15:17.07 | Coutal | it would also be pretty useless, because no distributor will build with it. |
| 15:17.47 | pahartik | Coutal: yes, i suppose so |
| 15:19.28 | Coutal | checking for an apple MAC would work nicely. i need to think how one can implement this |
| 15:20.53 | Coutal | hmm looks like using the swim3 hard-locked my machine |
| 15:20.53 | Coutal | bah |
| 15:21.00 | Coutal | maybe mockos will handle it better |
| 15:25.01 | pahartik | Coutal: at least that patch should be easily accessible and up to current kernel... |
| 15:25.52 | Coutal | so i'll post it to my webpage. |
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| 15:27.48 | pahartik | Coutal: i guess i could send followup to my original post about it |
| 15:27.59 | Coutal | yeah it's a simple diff |
| 15:28.04 | Coutal | does it work nicely for you now? |
| 15:33.17 | Coutal | pahartik: i'd want to provide a working fix for the three-band issue before i start working on a site. if all i can post is a recycled fix... well... :) |
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| 15:34.56 | Coutal | brb |
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| 15:48.25 | Coutal | say, the boot.img file for the floppy does not register itself to be of any known type. i.e. when i 'file' it, i get blank. not even data. |
| 15:48.33 | Coutal | so do you know what format is it? |
| 15:50.43 | pahartik | Coutal: it works but it is slow... |
| 15:50.57 | Coutal | well it is a 10mbit card |
| 15:51.12 | Coutal | and the hack kind of slows it down |
| 15:52.31 | pahartik | Coutal: it gets about 1,5 KiB per second from NFS of my DVB server |
| 15:52.46 | Coutal | i've gotten better performance than that. |
| 15:53.57 | Coutal | i'm currently getting 76.4 kbps off the internet |
| 15:54.11 | Coutal | i finished compiling the barebones kernel. how can i put it into a boot floppy? |
| 15:54.23 | Bor_Ed | dd? :) |
| 15:54.34 | Coutal | just dd the kernel to the floppy? i doubt that would work |
| 15:54.40 | Bor_Ed | works on x86 |
| 15:54.55 | Coutal | well x86 isn't ppc you know :) |
| 15:54.59 | Bor_Ed | naaa :D |
| 15:55.11 | Bor_Ed | well, it was just to test out if you don't have better ideas :) |
| 15:55.21 | pahartik | Coutal: when i tested the server with Intel "e1000" adapter, it gave about 6 MiB per second to my iBook G4 |
| 15:55.38 | Coutal | that's odd |
| 15:57.08 | Coutal | i really need to know how to boot this new kernel with floppy |
| 15:57.16 | Coutal | and i can't find it on the net |
| 15:57.30 | Bor_Ed | hmm, doesn't the install kernels use miboot or so? |
| 15:57.43 | Coutal | i can't mount the boot.img |
| 15:57.52 | Coutal | and it doesn't look anything like a kernel image |
| 15:57.58 | Bor_Ed | do file boot.img |
| 15:58.25 | pahartik | Coutal: i will try TCP performance with "scp" and "http" |
| 15:58.25 | Coutal | i did. got a blank. not even "data" |
| 15:58.35 | Coutal | and the generated kernel was too big as is. |
| 15:58.38 | Coutal | weird |
| 15:58.38 | Coutal | sec |
| 16:09.10 | pahartik | Coutal: it seems i get about 1 MiB per second from HTTP server, so bad performance is somehow related to UDP through "de4x5" |
| 16:11.25 | Coutal | maybe udp packets generate more interrupts and thus slows the thing to a crawl. |
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| 16:15.24 | Coutal | okay, got it, it's hfs |
| 16:15.29 | Coutal | and all it contains is the vmlinuz file |
| 16:15.42 | Coutal | so, if all works well, we'll have a fix for the rage soon |
| 16:17.23 | Coutal | i'll try and test udp performance. is there any utility that does that? |
| 16:17.37 | Bor_Ed | put up a windows box on the lan side :D |
| 16:17.46 | Coutal | hrm, right :) |
| 16:17.46 | Coutal | sec |
| 16:19.03 | Coutal | right, it is dog slow |
| 16:19.23 | Coutal | lemme check proc/interrupts |
| 16:19.34 | Coutal | heh, it just lost connection altogether |
| 16:19.35 | Coutal | sec |
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| 16:21.29 | pahartik | Coutal: i do not have problems with TCP connections while UDP is crawling (it seems i cannot easily interrupt that "dd" of 700 MiB file from NFS) |
| 16:21.44 | Coutal | same here |
| 16:21.53 | Coutal | maybe it's the code that blocks it while doing interrupts. |
| 16:22.08 | Coutal | i'll have to consider the issue some more |
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| 16:56.21 | pahartik | Coutal: "umount -f" stopped it |
| 17:02.24 | Coutal | well it's because the udp performance of the card is abysmal because of this code change. |
| 17:08.15 | pahartik | Coutal: i guess it is acceptable if one only uses SSH, IMAP, IRC, HTTP... and other TCP protocols |
| 17:08.59 | Coutal | that's kinda limiting |
| 17:09.12 | Coutal | i need to ponder why udp performance is so bad and maybe do something about it. |
| 17:16.09 | _rene_ | ok, as guessed. repair of my ibook doesn't make sense |
| 17:17.09 | Coutal | _rene_: what broke, and why not? |
| 17:18.23 | _rene_ | Coutal: it got drunk. my beer decided to flow over it. why not? because repairing would be as expensive as getting a new one |
| 17:20.59 | Coutal | so board damage? |
| 17:21.16 | _rene_ | everything basically |
| 17:21.29 | Coutal | can't sell it for parts at ebay? |
| 17:21.50 | _rene_ | I asked that too. the AP card "sticks" to the HD etc. |
| 17:21.58 | _rene_ | makes no sense. |
| 17:22.36 | Coutal | AP card? |
| 17:22.48 | Coutal | if the hard drive still works, one can surely format it on a PC or something |
| 17:23.08 | _rene_ | Coutal: air port. |
| 17:23.35 | _rene_ | Coutal: well, I *did* ask them (they just called) me ans suggested the same ebay stuff. but they said it would make no sense |
| 17:23.58 | _rene_ | everything except the lcd is borked |
| 17:24.10 | pahartik | Coutal: define "they"? |
| 17:24.38 | _rene_ | I need to get a new one anyway, for sure, so... |
| 17:26.14 | pahartik | _rene_: define "they"? |
| 17:26.32 | _rene_ | the apple people |
| 17:26.48 | _rene_ | whose I gave the ibook for looking |
| 17:27.08 | _rene_ | s/whose/whom/ |
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| 21:08.05 | Coutal | pahartik: you here? my floppy is borked, but yours might work |
| 21:08.11 | Coutal | but i found out how to create the boot floppy |
| 21:08.19 | Coutal | so this can get me the data i need. |
| 21:08.39 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: maybe you could help me too |
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| 21:11.42 | Coutal | does anybody else here happen to have access to a powermac 5500, 6500 or a beige g3? |
| 21:20.52 | fo0bar | Coutal: I have a beige g3 at home, but no OS9, and hence no linux |
| 21:21.28 | Coutal | fo0bar: actually, that'd do just fine. if your machine has a working floppy drive, you could boot the boot floppies. mine doesn't work. |
| 21:22.38 | fo0bar | Coutal: do all beige G3s have floppy drives? I'm thinking hard, but I only seem to remember it having a cdrom and a zip |
| 21:22.50 | Coutal | :( |
| 21:22.57 | Coutal | my machine does have a floppy, but it refuses to boot |
| 21:23.07 | SimonRaven | a lot do. if it doesn't, usually the previous owner pulled it |
| 21:23.28 | Coutal | it used to semi-work at times |
| 21:23.35 | fo0bar | Coutal: I'll check when I get home this evening |
| 21:23.40 | Coutal | but for an 8 year old (at the very least) piece of hardware... |
| 21:24.22 | Coutal | say simon, is there any way to get quik to boot any kernel without an ext2/ext3 filesystem? |
| 21:24.28 | Coutal | even if it couldn't mount the rootfs |
| 21:24.46 | Coutal | all i need is for it to load a kernel and then crash, as long as it'll dump the debug data i need, and without running the macos ROM. |
| 21:24.55 | Coutal | will miboot work? |
| 21:27.04 | SimonRaven | miboot should work; quik -> ramdisk? a la installer (e.g. woody)? |
| 21:27.47 | Coutal | SimonRaven: the thing is so. i believe that the MacOS ROM does some card initializing that quik doesn't. |
| 21:28.00 | Coutal | quik -> kernel. i don't care if it doesn't mount a root filesystem |
| 21:28.09 | Coutal | i don't care where the kernel would be found |
| 21:28.19 | SimonRaven | yes it does. i've seen evidence pointing to that |
| 21:28.43 | SimonRaven | e.g., adaptec 2940UW ccards. they work on oldworlds, but not newworlds |
| 21:29.11 | Coutal | SimonRaven: okay, so to confirm that and get a good register dump, i need a boot loader that does not use the ROM on my macos partition |
| 21:29.16 | Coutal | afaik, only quik does that |
| 21:29.19 | SimonRaven | MacOSROM inits it so that the lack of 'open' in the firmware doesn't matter (which is why you can't boot from them in linux) |
| 21:29.55 | SimonRaven | beige g3 is an oldworld, it won't use that rom file anyway |
| 21:30.22 | SimonRaven | mac os will, which is why you can't just delete it ;) |
| 21:30.56 | Curalton | someone using pbbuttonsd and mousemu on some *book? here mousemu blocks the pbbuntonsd keys, any workarround? |
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| 21:32.10 | Coutal | SimonRaven: but if you run bootx, the rom will get loaded. |
| 21:32.21 | Coutal | SimonRaven: the thing is, if i run quik on an xfs partition, will it corrupt it? |
| 21:32.45 | Coutal | because supposedly all it does is install the boot sector |
| 21:33.00 | SimonRaven | quik won't boot from xfs. you can have /boot as ext2, then / as xfs |
| 21:33.32 | Coutal | what will happen if i try to force a boot sector on xfs? it won't find the second stage loader and so won't get to the kernel at all? |
| 21:33.53 | SimonRaven | you'll corrupt the filesystem |
| 21:33.57 | Coutal | :\ |
| 21:34.00 | Coutal | maybe i can resize it somehow |
| 21:34.28 | SimonRaven | xfs only resizes up |
| 21:35.22 | Coutal | yeah |
| 21:35.36 | Coutal | so, like i thought, i need someone else with a machine |
| 21:36.48 | Coutal | because my machine is full with an xfs partition |
| 21:38.07 | Coutal | and my floppy is broken |
| 21:39.49 | Coutal | say can oldworld machines netboot? |
| 21:41.20 | Coutal | yay i can resize the hfs+ partition with parted |
| 21:41.49 | Coutal | and hopefully i haven't trashed my entire installation :) |
| 21:43.47 | Coutal | do i need to somehow tell the nvram to use the quik partition? |
| 21:44.43 | Coutal | i have an ext2 partition now |
| 21:44.50 | Coutal | with just enough size for my kernel |
| 21:45.47 | SimonRaven | no, just point OF at the disk, quik doesn't do partitions from OF, just its conf |
| 21:46.02 | Coutal | is there an OF editor for linux? |
| 21:46.06 | Coutal | i think i saw one for mockos |
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| 21:46.31 | SimonRaven | they can netboot, i haven't tried linux netboot; i've heard varying amounts of success / failure for netbooting |
| 21:46.37 | SimonRaven | nvsetenv |
| 21:46.51 | SimonRaven | (in powerpc-utils) |
| 21:46.53 | Coutal | i see |
| 21:47.06 | Coutal | wait, so quik overwrites the boot sector of the entire disk? |
| 21:47.50 | SimonRaven | no, just the partition |
| 21:49.13 | paster | "SimonRaven" at 66.11.160.83 pasted "quik -vf Second-stage loader i" (8 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/1121 |
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| 22:34.13 | giskard | hello * |
| 22:34.28 | giskard | where i can find fsck.hfsplus? |
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| 22:42.59 | SimonRaven | @tell giskard -about search |
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