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| 00:28.10 | Stormy | anyone around that can give me a hand i'm trying to burn a dvd in sarge/ppc |
| 00:31.28 | kpanic | Corsac, thanks man :) |
| 00:36.36 | pahartik | Stormy: "growisofs" of "dvd+rw-tools" |
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| 11:30.46 | tomb | hi there :) |
| 11:31.09 | tomb | is there a way to use an airport extreme card with debian 2.6.19 kernel ? |
| 11:32.40 | _rene_ | a) there is no 2.6.19 anywhere |
| 11:32.46 | _rene_ | b) not yet |
| 11:33.37 | Bor_Ed | _rene_: maybe it works on 2.6.19 :P |
| 11:33.37 | tomb | _rene i'm installing an ubuntu 5.10 wit 2.6.19 kernel |
| 11:33.55 | Corsac | i don't think so |
| 11:34.17 | Bor_Ed | there is no such kernel |
| 11:34.26 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.14.3 is latest |
| 11:34.49 | tomb | uh ? |
| 11:35.01 | Corsac | uname -a ? |
| 11:35.03 | _rene_ | and the current devel is 2.6.15-rcsomething |
| 11:35.05 | Bor_Ed | ravenbird: kernel |
| 11:35.08 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14.3, prepatch: 2.6.15-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.15-rc2-git6, 2.4: 2.4.32, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-rc2-mm1 |
| 11:36.24 | _rene_ | no idea what ubuntu did for crap again anyway |
| 11:36.44 | _rene_ | but anyway, note that this is #debianppc here and not #ubuntuppc |
| 11:37.12 | tomb | unbuntu is not debian ? i don't understand |
| 11:37.25 | _rene_ | ubuntu is not debian. exactly |
| 11:37.27 | Bor_Ed | ubuntu is based on debian, certainly ain't debian/gnu linux |
| 11:37.50 | Bor_Ed | similar as mandriva was based on RH back in 90's |
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| 13:53.41 | otavio | Hi folks |
| 13:53.55 | otavio | Well, I'm importing current MOL source in SVN repository. |
| 13:54.15 | otavio | I'm interested to know if anyone here is interested to help with its maintainence |
| 14:16.38 | SimonRaven | otavio: ask on debian-powerpc (@lists.debian.org) |
| 14:25.49 | otavio | SimonRaven: yes, i'll |
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| 15:12.58 | Coutal | SimonRaven: you here? |
| 15:13.58 | Coutal | i need your help to boot my system with quik. i have installed a new hard drive and used ext2. once i manage to boot it with quik, i can finally solve the mach64 problem once and for all |
| 15:30.46 | Bor_Ed | hehe, so you did a reinstall? |
| 15:31.13 | Coutal | no, i changed drives |
| 15:31.19 | Coutal | but now it won't boot :( |
| 15:31.24 | Coutal | so close, yet so far |
| 15:31.28 | Bor_Ed | what does it whine? |
| 15:31.31 | Coutal | i need the right boot-device |
| 15:31.34 | Coutal | "can't LOAD from this device" |
| 15:31.44 | Bor_Ed | ahh, a sec |
| 15:32.00 | Bor_Ed | boot-device ide0/disk@0:0 |
| 15:32.10 | Bor_Ed | it is ide based, right? |
| 15:32.30 | Coutal | yeah |
| 15:32.48 | Coutal | but i don't have such a device in my device tree. i'll give it a shot anyway |
| 15:32.48 | Bor_Ed | well, apply systemdisk patch and it'll be the one I mentioned |
| 15:33.00 | Coutal | apple systemdisk patch does not apply to my system as it seems |
| 15:33.06 | SimonRaven | probably just need to tweak the boot-device. also, you'll need to re-run quik from the new drive (hint: chroot()) |
| 15:33.21 | Coutal | SimonRaven: i am running quik from the new drive |
| 15:33.33 | Coutal | i tried several boot-device strings, none worked |
| 15:33.37 | SimonRaven | ok, oh, and quik.conf ;) |
| 15:33.43 | SimonRaven | try the full path |
| 15:33.48 | Coutal | did that too |
| 15:33.52 | Bor_Ed | the error is from OF, not from quik |
| 15:33.53 | Coutal | bandit/ohare/ata/ata-disk@0,0 |
| 15:34.17 | SimonRaven | leave out the initial / on purpose (for IRC)? |
| 15:34.29 | Coutal | i tried both with and without, i think |
| 15:34.42 | SimonRaven | it's 0:0 BTW |
| 15:34.59 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ane what load-base you have on OF? |
| 15:35.04 | SimonRaven | and you need that first / |
| 15:35.12 | Coutal | i haven't touched load-base |
| 15:35.17 | Coutal | maybe 0:0 would do the trick |
| 15:36.04 | Coutal | will try that in a sec |
| 15:36.10 | SimonRaven | i'd set that load-base too, while you're there, like 100000 |
| 15:36.23 | SimonRaven | (if it's oldworld) |
| 15:36.35 | Bor_Ed | load-base 0x600000 |
| 15:36.37 | Coutal | it is |
| 15:36.38 | Bor_Ed | works for me |
| 15:36.43 | SimonRaven | touching load-base on a newworld is asking for a doorstop |
| 15:36.52 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 15:38.29 | Bor_Ed | newworlds go bananas on that? |
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| 15:40.57 | Coutal | it works! |
| 15:41.06 | Coutal | now what should i specify as boot string for quik? |
| 15:41.11 | Coutal | it wants device:partition ... |
| 15:41.20 | Coutal | i installed it on /dev/hda6 on /boot/vmlinux-2.6 |
| 15:42.43 | Bor_Ed | root=/dev/hda6 |
| 15:42.50 | Bor_Ed | image=/boot/vmlinux-2.6 |
| 15:43.05 | Bor_Ed | and probably partition=7 |
| 15:43.09 | Bor_Ed | hrm 6 |
| 15:43.28 | Coutal | quik doesn't work when i try "Linux" at its prompt (which is what i installed quik with) |
| 15:43.45 | Coutal | so what device string does it expect to find? the OF one? |
| 15:43.58 | Bor_Ed | have you reinstalled quik to bootstrap after editing it? |
| 15:44.02 | SimonRaven | what is label= is what you should call at the prompt |
| 15:44.31 | Coutal | SimonRaven: i have one label called "Linux". it doesn't work - it rants about not being able to read driver, first block and everything |
| 15:44.34 | SimonRaven | so if label=Linux then boot Linux single will work, if labal=linux boot linux single will |
| 15:45.08 | Coutal | SimonRaven: it whines that it can't read the driver, the first block and the filesystem. |
| 15:46.25 | Coutal | okay, ata/ata-disk@0:6 did the trick |
| 15:46.31 | Coutal | but there is still distortion on the screen!!! |
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| 15:46.49 | Coutal | seemingly less... but still, distortion. |
| 15:47.33 | Coutal | and the screen is much darker, too. |
| 15:49.04 | Coutal | so, while it has been an enlightening experience and a decent IQ test, brings me nowhere close to fixing the ATI bug |
| 15:49.04 | Coutal | :( |
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| 15:49.24 | Bor_Ed | buggr that |
| 15:51.02 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 16:02.41 | Coutal | well, the ROM does turn on a backlight, and the driver doesn't. i wonder if i can quick-fix that |
| 16:02.48 | Coutal | so at least it was somewhat worthwhile. |
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| 16:58.40 | Coutal | okay. this is weird. after MacOS, the card initializes extremely differently. |
| 16:58.51 | Coutal | there's a huge bunch of registers that changed |
| 16:59.37 | Bor_Ed | so it is bootx's fault? |
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| 17:10.34 | Coutal | well, it doesn't work under quik too |
| 17:11.59 | Coutal | but it is very interesting |
| 17:28.53 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
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| 17:40.59 | Digger_RS6000 | Hello |
| 17:41.16 | Digger_RS6000 | I'm trying to install Debian on a IBM RS/6000 F40 Server |
| 17:41.48 | Digger_RS6000 | but I can't find the downloadable version of Debian for PPC servers ( the IBM is a Power3 PPC ) |
| 17:42.49 | Bor_Ed | it installs from the normal cd |
| 17:43.09 | Digger_RS6000 | I can't find the iso for PPC |
| 17:43.26 | Digger_RS6000 | its not a ftp.belnet.be |
| 17:43.30 | Digger_RS6000 | *on |
| 17:43.58 | Bor_Ed | will ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-cd/current/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-powerpc-businesscard.iso do? |
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| 17:44.35 | Bor_Ed | change .be. to place of .fi. and you'll get fastest possible speed |
| 17:44.36 | Digger_RS6000 | Wow ... thats small |
| 17:45.00 | Bor_Ed | yup, basesystem and installer, rest can be installed over the net |
| 17:45.06 | Digger_RS6000 | k |
| 17:45.27 | Bor_Ed | actually smallest debian installer is couple of floppies |
| 17:45.35 | Digger_RS6000 | gonna try booting, every CD i've put in the PPC wasn't booting, there was a short read but starts booting the default AIX |
| 17:46.01 | Digger_RS6000 | but that was with Suse and redhat |
| 17:46.29 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you might have to boot the cd from service console |
| 17:46.40 | Digger_RS6000 | in OF ? |
| 17:47.21 | Digger_RS6000 | I've read alot about it , that the RS/6000 does not boot from cdrom |
| 17:47.59 | Bor_Ed | hmm, that requires the prep partition and linux kernel on it, right? |
| 17:48.33 | Digger_RS6000 | yep, don't know if it is PREP or not ... I know its a Power3 ... but thats all ... I'm new to PPC ... |
| 17:48.59 | Bor_Ed | googled yet? :) |
| 17:49.03 | Digger_RS6000 | Would like to have it running ... it has 2 storage cabinets with it |
| 17:49.12 | Digger_RS6000 | yeah alot :-) and found alot of problems lol |
| 17:50.07 | Digger_RS6000 | gonna try the business card first ... maybee it only boots Debian ... héhé |
| 17:50.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, *bsd sites could give tips too... that's after all pretty similar to linux |
| 17:50.23 | MasterTom | svenl: i peg1 supported or do I have to upgrade? |
| 17:50.27 | MasterTom | is |
| 17:52.10 | Digger_RS6000 | be back later, goona try it |
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| 17:54.10 | nefertum | do you know any wireless usb device working in linux? |
| 17:54.32 | _rene_ | yes, dwl-122 for example |
| 17:57.13 | Bor_Ed | and www.prism54.org ones |
| 17:57.48 | Bor_Ed | as well as http://wlan-ng.sf.net (not 100% on that addy) |
| 17:58.56 | nefertum | aha, thanks :) |
| 18:02.14 | Digger_RS6000 | Business iso is not booting |
| 18:02.35 | Bor_Ed | Digger_RS6000: you might need to try the prep (or chrp, don't recall) boot floppies |
| 18:02.44 | Digger_RS6000 | its a good system but its a bummer that it isn't booting from cd .... |
| 18:02.57 | Bor_Ed | oldworld macs don't boot off from cd either |
| 18:03.10 | Digger_RS6000 | k ... I hope I can find that |
| 18:03.26 | Digger_RS6000 | maybe yabooty wil work or xboot |
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| 18:19.55 | Coutal | hey. i did make some very interesting progress |
| 18:20.28 | Coutal | i compared the dumps between quik and bootx. turns out dsp_on_off is different. which means whatever routine initializes them, reads off some values uninitialized. this is wrong. |
| 18:21.01 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 18:21.50 | Coutal | now i need to find out what does it, and why. |
| 18:23.01 | Bor_Ed | prolly kernel doesn't init more than necessary where mockos does all the trickery imagionable |
| 18:23.54 | Coutal | but this variable does need to be initialized. |
| 18:24.10 | Coutal | at least on rage II on macs. |
| 18:25.40 | Coutal | actually, it's only the dsp_on part |
| 18:34.07 | Coutal | maybe it relates to bpp. this code is extremely tricky to understand. |
| 18:36.39 | Coutal | btw, quik would be a mess on your machine Bor_Ed, once you get it running |
| 18:36.50 | Coutal | it doesn't initialize the backlight, so the screen is much darker. |
| 18:37.01 | Bor_Ed | it is running here... just that the kernel panics |
| 18:37.47 | Coutal | but don't you notice the screen is darker? |
| 18:37.52 | Coutal | it's noticably darker here. |
| 18:38.14 | Bor_Ed | not really... though I keep the screen as dark as possible usually anyway |
| 18:38.15 | Coutal | and the little green led on the screen does not light up |
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| 18:38.51 | Coutal | oh well. maybe i'll fix it after i fix the xclk thingy :P |
| 18:39.08 | Coutal | well dsp_on. might be xclk related. |
| 18:39.50 | Bor_Ed | I have peecee tube here connected to the box with dumbo adapter |
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| 18:46.16 | Coutal | so you don't use the rage card on it anyway? |
| 18:46.59 | Bor_Ed | I have rage up currently, adapter is between the onboard video and svga tube |
| 18:50.30 | pahartik | Coutal: define "doesn't initialize the backlight"? |
| 18:53.01 | Coutal | there's a little green led by the screen. it doesn't light up. and there's a distinct sound when that happens - i don't hear it. |
| 18:53.06 | Coutal | and the display is far far darker. |
| 18:54.43 | pahartik | Coutal: on PowerMacintosh 5500? |
| 18:55.12 | Coutal | yeah |
| 19:05.05 | Coutal | do you have a similar issue with the 6500? |
| 19:10.29 | pahartik | Coutal: i do not remember if display is darker with "quik" than with "BootX" |
| 19:11.35 | pahartik | Coutal: but i did not figure out any way to modify PowerMacintosh 5500 brightness or contrast in Linux |
| 19:12.06 | Coutal | well, i can add routines to the driver that do that, but with the lack of an API for that, what good is it? |
| 19:12.21 | Bor_Ed | 5500 is all-in-one? |
| 19:12.25 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: yeah |
| 19:12.35 | Bor_Ed | tried xset yet? |
| 19:12.52 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: i'm not running X. on purpose, too |
| 19:13.16 | Bor_Ed | hmm, there might be some parameters on fbset too |
| 19:16.05 | pahartik | Coutal: same calls that are used to control background light on iBook or PowerBook LCDs would be nice... of course CRT does not have background light but... |
| 19:17.00 | Coutal | pahartik: is there a userspace utility that calls those? |
| 19:18.18 | pahartik | Coutal: "pbbuttonsd", "fblevel" |
| 19:19.04 | pahartik | Coutal: "fblevel (8) - sets the display brightness level on a notebook" |
| 19:21.00 | Coutal | okay, i'll see if there's any way i can match that on the rage II. |
| 19:21.22 | Coutal | but it may behave more like an "on/off" switch |
| 19:21.31 | Coutal | i'll have to see which exact register frobs that. |
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| 20:42.21 | svenl | MasterTom: supported by what ? |
| 20:42.42 | svenl | Dig. |
| 20:42.52 | Coutal | svenl? |
| 20:43.43 | svenl | Ah, Digger left, if it is a power3, it is a chrp, and he needs : the powerpc64/netboot64/vmlinuz-chrp.initrd image, or the yaboot stuff. |
| 20:43.54 | Coutal | i see |
| 20:44.26 | Bor_Ed | power3 is ppc64? buggr |
| 20:44.40 | svenl | MasterTom: peg1 should work fine under debian, you need the upcoming OF upgrade, or use the minimal-2.4 or whatever it is called in the sarge cds. |
| 20:45.11 | svenl | Bor_Ed: yep, power3 is the first of the 64bit cpus from IBM, they start at around 200MHz, and should be well supported by debian. |
| 20:45.29 | Bor_Ed | I recalled power4 was first 64 bitter :I |
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| 20:46.25 | Coutal | okay, so here's what i found. the new formula calculates the feedback divider to be twice as high, but the feedback divider is not twice as high to match. |
| 20:47.05 | Coutal | so the resultant clock is too high. |
| 20:47.45 | svenl | Bor_Ed: nope, power3 is definitively 64bit, which is why ppc64 has a power4 optimization option, which kills support for power3. |
| 20:48.00 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 21:04.07 | Coutal | okay, i have another attempt at fixing the mach64 |
| 21:04.12 | Coutal | cross yer fingers |
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| 21:13.04 | Coutal | nope, didn't work out. |
| 21:13.39 | Coutal | bah, silly me. i know why it didn't work out. i reduced the variable instead of growing it. |
| 21:13.41 | Coutal | brb |
| 21:38.54 | Coutal | nope. still doesn't work. |
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| 22:28.23 | bbb | Any chance to get accelerated 3D graphics under AlBook ? |
| 22:29.00 | Bor_Ed | what does cat /proc/fbtell? |
| 22:29.07 | Bor_Ed | +space |
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