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| 05:53.44 | Flimzy | What mouse device should I use with X/gpm on a PowerBook G4? |
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| 09:25.24 | paulproteus | Flimzy: /dev/input/mice should be fine for X. |
| 09:25.33 | paulproteus | But if you want to use GPM, too, I don't know; I've never used it under Debian. |
| 09:25.46 | Flimzy | I've tried /dev/input/mice in both X and gpm |
| 09:25.49 | Flimzy | but I get nothing |
| 09:25.57 | Flimzy | perhaps I don't have a necessary kernel module loaded |
| 09:26.21 | paulproteus | modprobe mousedev |
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| 09:31.35 | paulproteus | Flimzy: What error does X give you? |
| 09:31.39 | paulproteus | Flimzy: Let's start with X. |
| 09:31.48 | paulproteus | I never knew how to configure GPM, so let's ignore it for now. |
| 09:31.49 | Flimzy | it doesn't actually give an error |
| 09:31.53 | Flimzy | it shows the cursor, but it's non-responsive |
| 09:32.10 | paulproteus | Ah, I see. |
| 09:32.16 | paulproteus | You should read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:32.22 | Flimzy | And I appreciate you're willingness to help... and will gladly accept your help, but I actually just shut the system down about 30 minutes ago, and am about to sleep so I can get to work on time. |
| 09:32.32 | paulproteus | Flimzy: Good idea. |
| 09:32.32 | Flimzy | bad timing on my part, I guess :/ |
| 09:32.37 | paulproteus | I need sleep myself. :) |
| 09:32.57 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 09:35.30 | Flimzy | thanks anyway... :) |
| 09:35.33 | Flimzy | I'll try again tomorrow |
| 09:35.34 | Flimzy | g'nite |
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| 13:56.11 | kpanic | is ppc g4 big endian or little endian? |
| 13:56.38 | SimonRaven | BE. like all other mac ppcs |
| 13:56.47 | kpanic | thanks |
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| 14:21.12 | Q-FUNK | http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.en.html |
| 14:32.54 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: damn that |
| 14:33.22 | Q-FUNK | spread the link around |
| 14:33.34 | Q-FUNK | this is even worst than the new finnish copyright law |
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| 15:32.34 | SimonRaven | Q-FUNK: yeh, i made a comment somewhere about that |
| 15:36.04 | SimonRaven | .ca seems to be heading towards a similar approach, at least WRT P2P, and info sharing (like http, etc.).... *sigh* |
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| 15:52.53 | SimonRaven | at the very least politicians... |
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| 18:55.18 | Corsac | hi there |
| 18:59.57 | Corsac | does someone use gphoto2 ? |
| 19:00.25 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:00.41 | Corsac | on ppc ? |
| 19:00.54 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:01.01 | Corsac | on sid ? |
| 19:01.06 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:01.09 | Corsac | mpf |
| 19:01.12 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 19:01.13 | Corsac | lucky you are |
| 19:01.16 | Bor_Ed | what's bugging? |
| 19:01.30 | Corsac | corsac@hidalgo: gphoto2 --help [~] |
| 19:01.33 | Corsac | *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x100301a8 *** |
| 19:01.43 | Bor_Ed | wee :o |
| 19:02.28 | Bor_Ed | had to take a pick on camera and now to test on latest upgrade |
| 19:03.06 | Corsac | i don't need to have a camera plugged in |
| 19:03.14 | Corsac | gphoto2 --help bugs as well |
| 19:03.21 | Bor_Ed | ari@g3:~$ gphoto2 --help |
| 19:03.21 | Bor_Ed | gphoto2 2.1.6 |
| 19:03.36 | Bor_Ed | and seems to sync to cam too |
| 19:04.04 | Corsac | you're running on g3 ? |
| 19:04.13 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:04.17 | Bor_Ed | beige even |
| 19:04.21 | Corsac | k |
| 19:04.23 | Corsac | (i'm on g4) |
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| 19:07.33 | Corsac | can someone on g4 test for me ? :) |
| 19:17.28 | pahartik | Corsac: i do not have camera but i could test on iBook G4 |
| 19:18.39 | Corsac | that would help me |
| 19:19.54 | pahartik | Corsac: latest version of "gphoto2" with latest version of "libgphoto2-2"? |
| 19:20.03 | Corsac | yew |
| 19:20.05 | Corsac | yes |
| 19:26.34 | pahartik | Corsac: without arguments, it shows "--help" |
| 19:29.17 | Corsac | and with --help ? |
| 19:30.20 | pahartik | Corsac: it shows same "--help" |
| 19:31.43 | pahartik | Corsac: "--help" as in "description about possible arguments" |
| 19:35.41 | Corsac | gnmngm |
| 19:35.55 | Corsac | why doesnt it work here :( |
| 19:37.59 | Bor_Ed | bug between chair and keyboard :) |
| 19:38.07 | Bor_Ed | try --purge reinstall for a starter |
| 19:38.11 | SimonRaven | @kci |
| 19:38.17 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 19:38.27 | Corsac | Bor_Ed: i've done it multiple times, it didn't work |
| 19:38.40 | Bor_Ed | then there's something wrong on the sys |
| 19:38.53 | Corsac | yes i agree, now i've got to find what :/ |
| 19:39.22 | Bor_Ed | have you dist-upgraded lately? |
| 19:39.48 | Corsac | yes, but i'm dist-upgrading regularly |
| 19:40.05 | Corsac | (it doesnt work since some time, but i can't say when) |
| 19:40.14 | Bor_Ed | checked b.d.o yet? |
| 19:40.18 | Corsac | yes |
| 19:40.25 | Bor_Ed | and? |
| 19:40.27 | Corsac | there is an open bug |
| 19:40.50 | Bor_Ed | which has your issue covered? |
| 19:44.10 | Corsac | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=336182 |
| 19:45.05 | pahartik | Corsac: my system is not "sid" |
| 19:46.35 | pahartik | Corsac: installed packages are from "sarge", "etch" and "sid"... |
| 19:46.46 | Bor_Ed | hmm, and I have only ver 2.1.6 ... dist-upgrading now |
| 19:50.06 | Corsac | pahartik: ok |
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| 19:51.23 | Bor_Ed | hmm, no 2.1.6-2 on the dist-upgrade :o |
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| 19:55.12 | Corsac | maybe it's elsewhere |
| 19:55.39 | Bor_Ed | dist-upgrade gives though 70 megs of stuff, mostly libs |
| 19:55.50 | Bor_Ed | lessee if something breaks up the gphoto2 |
| 19:56.27 | Corsac | huhu |
| 19:56.31 | Corsac | don't break your system for me :/ |
| 19:57.32 | Bor_Ed | I do dist-upgrades ~daily... no biggie if something doesn't work for a day... and I like filling up bug reports :D |
| 19:57.49 | Corsac | :) |
| 19:58.03 | Corsac | (any name for a new debian/pismo ?) |
| 20:01.46 | pahartik | Corsac: name what? |
| 20:02.19 | Corsac | hostname :) |
| 20:02.20 | Corsac | hydra |
| 20:02.21 | Corsac | :) |
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| 20:05.21 | pahartik | Corsac: i did not understand the question |
| 20:05.44 | Corsac | pahartik: i'm currently installing a debian on another laptop (a pismo powerbook g3) |
| 20:05.53 | Corsac | so i needed to find an hostname |
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| 20:06.21 | Corsac | (i'm multiplexing my keypress) |
| 20:06.59 | Corsac | the error on gphoto2 is in libc, could the bug be here ? |
| 20:08.02 | pahartik | Corsac: "libc6/testing uptodate 2.3.5-8" |
| 20:08.20 | Bor_Ed | could be |
| 20:08.42 | Corsac | ii libc6 2.3.5-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:08.46 | Corsac | :/ |
| 20:09.15 | pahartik | Corsac: version is same then |
| 20:09.47 | Corsac | i'm reinstalling it |
| 20:09.55 | Corsac | (but i don't want to purge it... :/ ) |
| 20:10.20 | Corsac | it doesnt work |
| 20:10.27 | Corsac | time to eat, brb :) |
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| 20:30.15 | Bor_Ed | gphoto2 still works after dist-upgrade |
| 20:32.50 | Corsac | i can't understand :/ |
| 20:33.01 | Corsac | Bor_Ed: debian, sid, g4 ? |
| 20:33.06 | Corsac | what kernel are you running ? |
| 20:33.08 | Bor_Ed | debian sid g3 |
| 20:33.16 | Bor_Ed | kernel 2.4.27-powerpc currently |
| 20:33.25 | Corsac | ah ok |
| 20:33.40 | Bor_Ed | though it worked just fine on 2.6.14.3 too |
| 20:33.50 | Corsac | ok so maybe it's g3/g4 |
| 20:34.02 | Bor_Ed | naa, looks like lib issue to me |
| 20:34.53 | Bor_Ed | anyway, time to hit the sack, wakeup before 5 am |
| 20:34.55 | pahartik | Corsac: Linux 2.6.14 from Debian sources, configured for iBook G4, optimized for "-mcpu=7400" |
| 20:36.04 | Corsac | mpf |
| 20:43.16 | pahartik | Corsac: have you tried it with "strace"? |
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| 20:44.20 | Corsac | hmh |
| 20:44.24 | Corsac | it seems it doesnt manage to connect() to /dev/log |
| 20:44.30 | dj-death | pahartik: -mcpu=G4 ? |
| 20:44.44 | Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/3010 |
| 20:45.56 | dj-death | pahartik: and what's -mcpu=7450 ? |
| 20:49.00 | pahartik | dj-death: i add "-mcpu=7400" to "CFLAGS" at "/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.14/arch/ppc/Makefile" when building for iBook G4 |
| 20:49.15 | dj-death | ok |
| 20:49.30 | dj-death | but you dont know much about gcc4 option ? |
| 20:49.37 | dj-death | +s |
| 20:50.37 | dj-death | I tried to build Xorg |
| 20:50.50 | dj-death | but dpkg-buildpackage failed |
| 20:50.55 | dj-death | that sux ! |
| 20:51.14 | Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/3011 :/ |
| 20:51.29 | Corsac | dj-death: you need to export something to ignore manifesr |
| 20:51.32 | Corsac | manifests |
| 20:51.36 | Corsac | and then it builds fine |
| 20:52.02 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 20:52.07 | dj-death | interesting ;) |
| 20:52.07 | dj-death | thx |
| 20:52.30 | pahartik | Corsac: http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/gphoto2-strace |
| 20:52.56 | Corsac | $IGNORE_MANIFEST_CHANGES |
| 20:54.45 | dj-death | Corsac: ok |
| 20:56.25 | Corsac | i don't know why it tries to open /dev/tty |
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| 21:44.24 | Corsac | powerbook 1,1 |
| 21:44.29 | Corsac | lombard, not pismo |
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| 22:25.47 | dj-death | how to add CFLAGS to dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 22:25.57 | dj-death | export CFLAGS=plop ? |
| 22:45.54 | SimonRaven | edit debian/rules |
| 23:15.18 | dj-death | SimonRaven: what variable ? |
| 23:15.27 | dj-death | -02 is even not used |
| 23:15.44 | SimonRaven | see top of the file |
| 23:16.30 | dj-death | yep |
| 23:16.56 | dj-death | when changing it I dont even see my -mcpu flag when compiling |
| 23:17.01 | dj-death | that's strange ... |
| 23:21.02 | Curalton | yeh, also noticed that compiling e.g. bochs for x86 with some athlon optimisations |
| 23:25.38 | dj-death | do you think it takes care of flags anyway > |
| 23:25.43 | dj-death | s/>/?/ |
| 23:26.13 | SimonRaven | you need to stick it in both; |
| 23:26.32 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 23:26.34 | dj-death | ok |
| 23:26.52 | dj-death | with -O0 and -O2 |
| 23:27.14 | SimonRaven | you see this? ifneq (,$(findstring noopt,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) |
| 23:27.32 | SimonRaven | CFLAGS right under that, put it in both CFLAGS |
| 23:27.54 | SimonRaven | not DEBUGFLAGS or whatever |
| 23:37.27 | dj-death | it works ;) |
| 23:37.28 | dj-death | thx |
| 23:38.09 | SimonRaven | np. later |
| 23:38.39 | dj-death | I hope it will speed my xserver |
| 23:38.50 | dj-death | using -mcpu=G4 |
| 23:40.49 | SimonRaven | what would help more is an optimised libc6, more than xserver |
| 23:41.20 | SimonRaven | and the kernel. optimising is rather tricky to get right, and be useful |
| 23:41.43 | SimonRaven | things that benefit most are things that do a lot of math |
| 23:42.38 | dj-death | math ? |
| 23:42.40 | SimonRaven | hmm |
| 23:43.01 | SimonRaven | yeh, computationally intensive |
| 23:43.07 | dj-death | I use to think it was things with a lot of loops |
| 23:44.06 | dj-death | at least for parallelization |
| 23:44.26 | dj-death | using simd instructions |
| 23:44.30 | SimonRaven | a g4 i think is worth optimising for ;) |
| 23:45.07 | SimonRaven | well, GTG. see ya |