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| 01:24.43 | Fluten | how is installing debian to a g3 different than an x86 install? |
| 01:25.05 | Fluten | i have just obtained a g3, and have no idea how to boot off a cd and load debian onto it |
| 01:27.49 | MelkorD | Fluten: http://www.soziologie.ch/users/steinlin/d-i/ |
| 01:29.17 | Fluten | this is my first time tonight that i've opened a g3, and i like the clever way the motherboard hinges down |
| 01:29.26 | Fluten | making it very easy to access parts while the machine is still standing up |
| 01:30.07 | pahartik | Fluten: define "g3" |
| 01:30.26 | Fluten | powerpc g3 |
| 01:30.32 | Fluten | its case is blue and white |
| 01:30.38 | MelkorD | Fluten: Mac, Pegasos ? |
| 01:30.46 | Fluten | macintosh |
| 01:31.52 | Fluten | since there are pci slots, will any network card i use on x86 linux also work on a macintosh? |
| 01:34.24 | pahartik | Fluten: i recommend "Intel Pro/100" or "Intel Pro/1000" ethernet adapters |
| 01:35.09 | Fluten | is 350mhz slow for a mac? |
| 01:35.34 | pahartik | Fluten: not really |
| 01:35.37 | MelkorD | Fluten: IMHO g3 350 is slow |
| 01:35.43 | Q-FUNK | it's fast enough |
| 01:35.47 | MelkorD | Fluten: But this depends what do you want to do with it |
| 01:35.55 | Fluten | a router |
| 01:36.01 | Fluten | i have a pentium 2 233 as a router right now |
| 01:36.04 | Fluten | and its pretty slow |
| 01:36.14 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 01:36.38 | Q-FUNK | a 486 is fast enough as a router. anything newer is overkill |
| 01:37.00 | Fluten | it also does proxy cacheing and ad filtering |
| 01:37.07 | Fluten | and thats where it needs speed |
| 01:37.45 | Q-FUNK | do note that most commercial routers are built around a single-chip embeded controler in which you find essentially a 486dx4 |
| 01:39.35 | Fluten | can i download an iso anywhere to make a cd, or do i have to download files and do blessing? |
| 01:40.22 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Too bad that http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php has only one network card ;( |
| 01:40.36 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Small and extremaly quiet |
| 01:43.33 | Fluten | would a g3 350 be fast enough to do video capture? |
| 01:44.16 | Fluten | my athlon box gives me stupid irq conflicts whenever i try to capture something and brings down my whole system |
| 01:44.30 | Fluten | so maybe i could put the card into the g3 |
| 01:45.58 | MelkorD | Fluten: Hmmm, you need to try |
| 01:46.09 | MelkorD | Fluten: I never played with this kind of things |
| 01:46.59 | pahartik | Fluten: for capturing analog video, one supposedly connects device with analog video input to IEEE-1394 bus and writes DV data to disk as it flows... |
| 01:47.16 | Fluten | i have an ati video capture card with a composite input |
| 01:50.49 | Fluten | the links here are dead for iso images: |
| 01:50.51 | Fluten | http://www.soziologie.ch/users/steinlin/d-i/#images |
| 01:51.05 | MelkorD | Fluten: www.debian.org |
| 01:51.41 | MelkorD | Fluten: Have you fast internet connection ? |
| 01:52.00 | Fluten | ja, hab ich breitbande |
| 01:53.13 | Fluten | do you speak german? |
| 01:54.28 | MelkorD | Fluten: :( |
| 01:54.45 | Fluten | ah, thought you did |
| 01:54.54 | MelkorD | Fluten: You can install Debian from network completly by using only a small CD image |
| 01:54.59 | Fluten | because you gave me a link ending in .ch and you used "have you" |
| 01:55.00 | MelkorD | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 01:55.17 | Fluten | ive used cd network installs before, but am having a hard time finding the ppc images |
| 01:55.25 | MelkorD | Fluten: Sorry, my english is quite bad :( |
| 01:55.59 | Fluten | english is a sloppy language |
| 01:56.13 | MelkorD | Fluten: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html |
| 01:56.36 | MelkorD | Fluten: You can find both netinst and businesscard here for ppc |
| 01:58.12 | MelkorD | Fluten: Yeah, I definlty prefer C++ ;) |
| 01:59.39 | Fluten | was c++ easier for you to learn than english? |
| 02:00.44 | MelkorD | Fluten: Of coz |
| 02:06.35 | MelkorD | Fluten: C++ is quite nice language |
| 02:06.48 | MelkorD | Fluten: But I am still forced to use C :( |
| 02:12.59 | Fluten | i dont know any programming languages |
| 02:13.14 | Fluten | but hopefully C and C++ are easier than german and russian |
| 02:14.54 | MelkorD | Fluten: I hear that russian is quite easy to learn |
| 02:15.05 | MelkorD | Fluten: Polish is easy too ;) |
| 02:15.29 | Fluten | russian looks very hard to westerners |
| 02:15.40 | Fluten | but all it is is a little awkward |
| 02:16.10 | Fluten | can't be as bad as their they're and there |
| 02:16.42 | MelkorD | Fluten: :) |
| 02:16.55 | MelkorD | Fluten: Chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie w strzebrzeszynie |
| 02:17.06 | MelkorD | Fluten: This is example polish sentence ;) |
| 02:17.27 | Fluten | does the w mean in? |
| 02:18.18 | MelkorD | Fluten: This is about a bug living in a town named strzebrzeszyno |
| 02:18.51 | Fluten | since its a slavic language, and in russian the letter B is subsituted for w or v |
| 02:22.17 | pahartik | MelkorD: is it physical or logical bug? |
| 02:22.51 | MelkorD | pahartik: Hmmm, animal. I am not sure can I say animal for a bug |
| 02:23.18 | Q-FUNK | А что? |
| 02:23.46 | pahartik | MelkorD: i see... |
| 02:24.50 | MelkorD | pahartik: Stol z powylamywanymi nogami (Hmmm, this is without some polish specyfic characters) |
| 02:25.03 | MelkorD | paulproteus: This is about a bit devastated table :) |
| 02:25.24 | MelkorD | paulproteus: Should looks like 'st z powyamywanymi nogami' |
| 02:26.19 | Q-FUNK | polish could be fun |
| 02:26.34 | Q-FUNK | although less usefull than russian |
| 02:26.39 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Yeah, it is |
| 02:27.12 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: I think it completly useless |
| 02:27.19 | Q-FUNK | Да. Я знаю. |
| 02:27.26 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: But I live in poland and I need to use it ;( |
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| 02:28.26 | Q-FUNK | ...although a pal in Radom had been trying to convince me that Poland had EU's sexiest girls. |
| 02:28.57 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Hmmm, one point for this guy :) |
| 02:29.12 | Q-FUNK | I'm still sceptical. |
| 02:29.21 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Polsh girls are definitly sexiest in EU and maybe not only in EU |
| 02:29.25 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: HeHe |
| 02:29.47 | Fluten | a lot sexier than american girls |
| 02:29.49 | Q-FUNK | I honnestly doubt that anyone could be sexier than Estonian girls. |
| 02:30.09 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: heretic :) |
| 02:30.30 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Of coz we have some dragons too, but ... ech |
| 02:30.40 | MelkorD | Q-FUNK: Come visit us someday and you will see :) |
| 02:31.17 | Q-FUNK | after all, estonians are the best of breed: part finnish, part russian, part baltic, part scandinavian. |
| 02:31.31 | MelkorD | OK, need to reboot and download this ~900 emails from my box |
| 02:31.44 | MelkorD | brb |
| 02:31.45 | Q-FUNK | aye |
| 02:31.48 | Q-FUNK | I will |
| 02:31.51 | Q-FUNK | ...one day |
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| 02:33.02 | Fluten | how do i boot off of a cd on a g3? |
| 02:33.33 | Fluten | nevermind, it just took a while |
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| 02:35.14 | pahartik | Fluten: when powering up, hold down "C" until it boots |
| 02:35.26 | MelkorD | Re |
| 02:35.32 | MelkorD | This time from MorphOS |
| 02:35.37 | MelkorD | I definitly prefer this system |
| 02:59.32 | Fluten | when i do the partitioning on the macintosh and it makes the filesystems, it wont mount the root ext3fs partition, and just errors |
| 02:59.42 | Fluten | how can i find out what is causing this? |
| 03:00.53 | Fluten | also, it does the same thing no matter what hard drive i try |
| 03:09.38 | pahartik | Fluten: broken harddisk, broken IDE? |
| 03:10.18 | pahartik | Fluten: ...unless it was sold with SCSI... |
| 03:16.41 | Fluten | its ide |
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| 03:20.14 | pahartik | Fluten: did that harddisk work before? |
| 03:21.14 | Fluten | yes |
| 03:21.21 | Fluten | do i use master/slave on ppc? |
| 03:21.23 | Fluten | or cable select? |
| 03:21.59 | pahartik | Fluten: is it only device on that bus? |
| 03:22.36 | Fluten | yes |
| 03:22.39 | Fluten | its set as master |
| 03:25.30 | Fluten | its working now |
| 03:25.35 | Fluten | looks like i had to do manual partitioning |
| 03:25.42 | Fluten | instead of the automatic, it must be broken |
| 03:26.21 | pahartik | Fluten: well, good for you |
| 03:27.23 | Fluten | when i take a drive out of a x86 machine, will it have any trouble reading it? |
| 03:27.33 | Fluten | i saw it reserved some space at the front of the drive for apple |
| 03:30.32 | pahartik | Fluten: "Apple_partition_map" takes 63 sectors |
| 03:32.00 | pahartik | Fluten: OpenFirmware does not know anything about DOS partition map and it is not bootable on PowerMacintosh |
| 03:34.41 | pahartik | Fluten: Linux however supports using various types of partition map on various architectures, as long as support for them is enabled before building it |
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| 03:35.50 | Fluten | im getting errors booting up saying "drive not ready for command" |
| 03:36.05 | Fluten | so maybe the drive is really bad |
| 03:36.44 | pahartik | Fluten: you are at OpenFirmware console? |
| 03:41.59 | Fluten | dont know where i am |
| 03:42.10 | Fluten | it booted up off of the hard drive, and used my network card |
| 03:42.25 | Fluten | it kept on spewing messages into the console every few seconds |
| 03:42.33 | Fluten | about full duplex |
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| 03:42.46 | pahartik | Fluten: so Linux is running? |
| 03:42.48 | Fluten | and when i disconnected the network cable and put it into the onboard, it flooded the screen with message |
| 03:42.55 | Fluten | yes |
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| 03:45.05 | pahartik | Fluten: it seems to have problems on deciding if your LAN is full-duplex or half-duplex? |
| 03:46.25 | Fluten | i took out the card, and its working fine now |
| 03:46.42 | Fluten | ill try a different network card as a second nic |
| 03:46.52 | pahartik | Fluten: define "card" |
| 03:47.34 | Fluten | a netgear fa311 pci card |
| 03:52.47 | Fluten | its a crossover cable being used as a straightthrough cable |
| 03:52.52 | Fluten | so thats probably why it didnt like it |
| 03:54.51 | pahartik | Fluten: i have tried various network adapters... |
| 03:57.34 | Fluten | ill try a realtek 8139 card next |
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| 04:02.50 | pahartik | Fluten: probably works but it is low-end chip |
| 04:06.05 | Fluten | its asking me to change my root password every time i log in |
| 04:06.13 | Fluten | how can i turn this off? |
| 04:07.48 | paulproteus | Fluten: Perhaps your clock is wrong (?). |
| 04:08.08 | Fluten | after i change it, it asks me to do it again |
| 04:08.19 | Fluten | maybe because i had to do a forced shutdown during the base config? |
| 04:09.46 | Fluten | it asks me to change it if i login with ssh too |
| 04:10.51 | Fluten | it will say "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)" every time |
| 04:10.59 | Fluten | and if i try to change it to my current password, it doesn't let me |
| 04:16.26 | pahartik | Fluten: are you familiar with Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 04:16.34 | Fluten | yes |
| 04:16.39 | Fluten | i have been using it for 2 years |
| 04:17.15 | pahartik | Fluten: it just sounds like install was not finished properly... |
| 04:18.58 | Fluten | ill re-install it tommorow |
| 04:19.15 | pahartik | Fluten: if harddisk or IDE is broken, maybe kernel switched "/" to read-only mount after error, to avoid breaking things further |
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| 04:21.21 | Fluten | im off to bed, will work on it some more tommorow |
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| 08:33.18 | marculix | hi chaps, it seems to me that the linux/ppc community is the biggest community after i386, do you agree with that? |
| 08:33.36 | Corsac | i am not so big :/ |
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| 08:37.10 | marculix | Corsac: ;-) |
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| 10:31.22 | Bor_Ed | whines too few arguments :o |
| 10:35.30 | Bor_Ed | bleh... rtf howto helps |
| 10:39.54 | Bor_Ed | hmm, started to compile to ppc target :/ |
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| 12:25.03 | Q-FUNK | http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Swedish_Campground.txt |
| 12:25.13 | Q-FUNK | I was right all along: it really should be called the Museum key. |
| 12:25.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, swedish... that's enough for me :D |
| 12:26.55 | Bor_Ed | hey, you're guru on cross-tools or whatwasit... I tried to build TARGET=arm-linux fakeroot debian/rules binary-cross and it whined something that no such build option |
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| 12:35.06 | amee2k | anyone here who set up debuan on a G3 mac? |
| 12:35.13 | amee2k | *debian |
| 12:35.26 | Corsac | yes |
| 12:35.32 | amee2k | I got the ppc-netinst, burned it but it doesn't boot |
| 12:35.37 | Corsac | well, ubuntu :/ |
| 12:35.46 | Corsac | newworld or oldworld ? |
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| 12:36.04 | amee2k | er...what? |
| 12:36.10 | Corsac | my g3 is a lombard powerbook, so new world, it boots fine with maintaining C key pressed |
| 12:40.33 | amee2k | my one is a green-blue box of the size of a miditower. I got it used from a friend but the mac os that came with it worked, so hardware seems OK |
| 12:40.51 | amee2k | pressing C during boot doesn't make a difference |
| 12:41.41 | amee2k | CDROM led is flickering, screen shows machos-logo, shows ?-logo, goes black, repeat |
| 12:44.01 | amee2k | any ideas what's wrong? |
| 12:48.08 | Corsac | i don't know if your mac is old world or new world |
| 12:48.14 | Corsac | i think old world can't boot on cd |
| 12:48.53 | amee2k | macos came on a CD and it booted fine |
| 12:49.43 | amee2k | where can i see which one i have? |
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| 12:55.40 | Corsac | google ? |
| 12:56.39 | amee2k | hm... just had a look on wikipedia |
| 13:01.14 | amee2k | I can't find the toolbox rom chip on my circuit board but it looks like old world, however it *can* boot from the macos cdrom |
| 13:01.35 | amee2k | "If no disk to boot from is present, an icon depicting a floppy disk with a question mark in the middle blinks on the screen." |
| 13:01.48 | amee2k | thats exactly what happens when i insert the debian cd |
| 13:03.43 | Corsac | maybe it can't boot on linux cdroms :/ |
| 13:03.49 | Corsac | you may have to try bootx |
| 13:06.04 | amee2k | mom... I'll give it a try |
| 13:06.28 | Bor_Ed | b&w g3 is newworld |
| 13:06.45 | Corsac | yep |
| 13:06.52 | Corsac | mine is that model |
| 13:07.06 | Bor_Ed | mine is beige and so oldworld |
| 13:10.41 | amee2k | if the blue one is newworld bootx wont work, according to <http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/> |
| 13:11.05 | Bor_Ed | yup... colorfull macs are all newworlds and you need to use yaboot with them |
| 13:14.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, binutils didn't want to go to .deb... though it compiled, installed and runs ok the old way |
| 13:21.45 | amee2k | it I get the yaboot readme right, i need a working linux system to set it up, right? |
| 13:21.58 | amee2k | if* |
| 13:22.31 | Bor_Ed | you can set it up from the installer too |
| 13:22.42 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: did you check out http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crossdev.html when trying to compile? |
| 13:24.06 | amee2k | i thought i need it on the mac, not on the pc? but on the mac I only have macos 8.5 or something |
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| 13:24.53 | amee2k | do I need to insert the HD from the mac somewhere else where I have linux and install yaboot from there? |
| 13:26.09 | Bor_Ed | you need linux/ppc to install yaboot |
| 13:32.30 | amee2k | how can i get the HD out of the G3 case? I can't find any more screws to remove |
| 13:33.18 | Bor_Ed | it probably has clips at the front or back to release the cover |
| 13:34.25 | amee2k | I'm already inside the case and the disc is mounted with 4 screws bit they are covered and I cannot get behind that cover |
| 13:34.36 | amee2k | mom, i'll get a digicam |
| 13:35.46 | Bor_Ed | ahh, if it has similar HD case as oldworld has, it'll have clip under the HD |
| 13:36.30 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i did not |
| 13:36.58 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: it should be walk through but at least bombs here on binutils to: rm: cannot remove `debian/tmp/usr/include/obstack.h': Not a directory |
| 13:37.03 | Bor_Ed | after build |
| 13:37.27 | Bor_Ed | and include is a file, not a dir :) |
| 13:49.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i do not know, i have not tried building stuff for another architecture before |
| 13:52.33 | amee2k | can't see any clips. |
| 13:52.36 | amee2k | got an image: <http://fusion-core.net/dsci0039.jpg> |
| 13:52.46 | amee2k | screws are at the red arrows |
| 13:53.15 | amee2k | case looks like this <http://fusion-core.net/dsci0040.jpg> |
| 13:55.35 | amee2k | arg! my case is falling apart |
| 13:55.59 | amee2k | got the disk and many other things |
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| 13:56.57 | amee2k | hope i can put it together correctly later :/ |
| 14:07.43 | amee2k | brb ... gimme a sec to get some linux box talking to it |
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| 14:14.06 | amee2k | got it |
| 14:14.52 | amee2k | fdisk tells me "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel" so I'd better not use it |
| 14:16.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but "binutils-arm-linux_2.15-5_powerpc.deb" i managed to build |
| 14:19.04 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: wee, drop that to available somewhere? |
| 14:19.50 | Bor_Ed | amee2k: it contains apple partition map |
| 14:21.41 | Bor_Ed | doh, pahartik, found the binutils source under buggr toolchain dir... though old as age |
| 14:23.21 | Bor_Ed | which are bogus tarballs |
| 14:24.03 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you can have it if you like, i would recommend "rsync --partial --progress --times --port 1873 80.221.142.206::Shared/binutils-arm-linux_2.15-5_powerpc.deb ./" |
| 14:24.34 | Bor_Ed | hmm, don't have rsync here |
| 14:24.56 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: that can be a problem |
| 14:25.03 | Bor_Ed | bleh, apt-get'ing it |
| 14:26.00 | Bor_Ed | fetching |
| 14:26.15 | Bor_Ed | danke |
| 14:29.08 | amee2k | because I couldn't find another mac with linux here I got the yaboot binary package and connected the mac's HD to my PC |
| 14:29.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: you are welcome |
| 14:29.30 | amee2k | but now i wonder how to set it up |
| 14:39.51 | pahartik | amee2k: for NewWorld PowerPC i would recommend booting installer from CD, DVD or network... |
| 14:40.46 | pahartik | amee2k: it is possible that CD-ROM device just did not like that CD-ROM media |
| 14:43.56 | amee2k | on macos I can read it and checksum is ok |
| 14:45.34 | amee2k | hm... i tried fdisk, parted and sfdisk but none of them can read the patition table |
| 14:46.40 | amee2k | that last one even crashed: *** buffer overflow detected ***: /sbin/sfdisk terminated |
| 14:46.42 | pahartik | amee2k: "parted" should do it just fine... and "disktype" |
| 14:47.00 | Bor_Ed | mac-fdisk... |
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| 14:55.12 | Fluten | pahartik, i found the problem with root |
| 14:55.21 | Fluten | my clock was set to 1970 |
| 14:55.37 | Fluten | its now set to the proper date, and everything is working fine |
| 14:56.11 | pahartik | amee2k: should i assume that you are reading "Debian Installation Guide - Hard Disk Installer Booting for NewWorld Macs" at "http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch04s05.html#files-newworld"? |
| 14:56.57 | amee2k | can't find how to tell parted to use mac disklabel |
| 14:58.22 | pahartik | amee2k: one should not have to tell it anything... "parted" should read existing disklabel and start with it |
| 15:01.28 | amee2k | if so it almost looks like I messed the disklabel up: parted says "Error: Unable to open /dev/hdb - unrecognised disk label." |
| 15:03.07 | pahartik | amee2k: did you try to write something on it? |
| 15:04.24 | amee2k | not that I wanten to write anything but maybe by accident |
| 15:05.01 | amee2k | I'll create a new disklabel and see what happens |
| 15:06.33 | amee2k | fsck |
| 15:06.37 | amee2k | "Error: Input/output error during write on /dev/hdb" |
| 15:08.56 | amee2k | WTF my HD is broken |
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| 15:09.48 | i386 | has anyone had any issues with the Intrepid ATA Controller as far as UDMA is concerned? |
| 15:09.49 | amee2k | I can't even write with dd to it |
| 15:10.43 | pahartik | amee2k: and kernel did probably not get to read anything from it either, so "parted" did not see anything on it... |
| 15:11.23 | amee2k | can I use a normal IDE HD for the G3? |
| 15:12.14 | pahartik | amee2k: check out first messages on "dmesg" from kernel about detecting that device |
| 15:14.18 | amee2k | error messages over and over: <http://pastebin.com/447253> |
| 15:16.51 | i386 | pahartik, hey man |
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| 15:17.08 | i386 | you helped me out with a 5200 install not long ago |
| 15:17.11 | pahartik | amee2k: kernel did not even see the size of it |
| 15:17.18 | i386 | wait |
| 15:17.20 | i386 | it was like a year ago |
| 15:17.23 | i386 | :) |
| 15:18.21 | i386 | I have a suspicion that the Intrepid ATA controller driver is broken |
| 15:19.05 | pahartik | i386: on latest kernels? |
| 15:19.14 | i386 | 2.6.12-10-powerpc |
| 15:19.23 | i386 | maybe its been fixed since? |
| 15:20.05 | i386 | I'll go and check the lkml |
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| 15:27.37 | i386 | pahartik, not a breath |
| 15:27.48 | i386 | hmm |
| 15:28.30 | pahartik | i386: define "broken"? |
| 15:29.45 | i386 | Im throwing some ideas around |
| 15:30.00 | i386 | I cant change the dma on my disks |
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| 15:30.07 | i386 | but it may be a disk thing |
| 15:30.16 | i386 | im not sure yet. checking it all out. |
| 15:31.33 | amee2k | looks like I don't have any HDs around that work with that mac |
| 15:32.05 | i386 | amee2k, some of those G3 machines can only take a very specific quantum hd |
| 15:32.58 | amee2k | that explains much. It's a Quantum fireball EX |
| 15:33.04 | i386 | yeah |
| 15:33.15 | i386 | the firmware checks the model or something |
| 15:33.59 | Bor_Ed | after linux gets loaded it can use any disk that fits to the buses |
| 15:34.07 | Bor_Ed | the bootable disk is critical though |
| 15:34.21 | pahartik | i386: if read and write works with harddisk on PowerMacintosh 5200 at all, it is not broken |
| 15:34.52 | pahartik | i386: ...other than "broken by design"... |
| 15:35.20 | i386 | pahartik, nah man |
| 15:35.27 | i386 | this is with a Mac Mini |
| 15:35.46 | i386 | you helped me get around an OF bug on a 5200 a while a go |
| 15:36.07 | amee2k | hm... I'll go and get a compatible HD somewhere and then come back. Thank you all for your time |
| 15:36.14 | i386 | nps |
| 15:36.15 | pahartik | i386: oh, well... :) |
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| 15:36.28 | i386 | pahartik, haha |
| 15:36.49 | i386 | brb |
| 15:37.36 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: how did you get the package built in the first place? I get the error everytime I try to build it after the compile is done |
| 15:41.39 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i did mostly as described at "http://people.debian.org/~debacle/cross/" |
| 15:42.05 | Bor_Ed | lessee |
| 15:42.41 | Bor_Ed | hmm, bombed to binutils extract here |
| 15:44.13 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: for example, there is no "/etc/dpkg/cross-compile"... i found "/etc/dpkg-cross/cross-compile" but did not have to change it |
| 15:44.28 | Bor_Ed | I left it to defaults too |
| 15:47.50 | Bor_Ed | hmm, the tpkg-make seemed to do the trick, thanks for the link |
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| 15:53.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: when trying to build GCC, i get "dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - gcc-3.4 and gcc-arm-linux" |
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| 15:54.00 | Bor_Ed | the gcc should be built as target arm... arm-linux pukes at least here |
| 15:54.02 | i386 | damn |
| 15:55.38 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: did you try building it using toolchain-source? |
| 15:55.57 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: trying right now... I have my doubts though on that approach |
| 15:56.12 | Bor_Ed | this is slow box... one trial takes some 4-5 hours :D |
| 15:56.21 | pahartik | i386: at least "0002:20:0d.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth/Intrepid ATA/100" on iBook G4 works just about as fine as IDE can |
| 15:57.08 | i386 | 0002:20:0d.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth/Intrepid ATA/100 |
| 15:57.10 | i386 | here too |
| 15:57.21 | i386 | this is odd |
| 15:57.27 | i386 | what model CDROM? |
| 15:57.53 | i386 | MATSHITACD-RW CW-8123 |
| 15:58.19 | pahartik | i386: i did not notice disk related problems on earlier kernels either |
| 15:58.41 | i386 | whats your uname -r ? |
| 15:59.46 | pahartik | i386: 2.6.14 |
| 15:59.51 | i386 | :S |
| 15:59.58 | i386 | 2.6.12-10-powerpc |
| 16:01.56 | pahartik | i386: was it that harddisk and DVD-ROM are on same IDE bus on Mac mini? |
| 16:03.04 | i386 | pahartik, I dont think thats the problem |
| 16:03.16 | i386 | UDMA works fine for the harddisk |
| 16:03.39 | i386 | [ 765.585984] hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 16:03.39 | i386 | [ 765.585996] hdb: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand } |
| 16:03.40 | i386 | [ 765.586000] ide: failed opcode was: 0xec |
| 16:06.37 | pahartik | i386: i have that too, but for "hdc" |
| 16:06.51 | i386 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/11/msg00069.html |
| 16:06.53 | i386 | BenH |
| 16:09.36 | pahartik | i386: i have not used DVD or CD media too much but i did not notice any problems |
| 16:12.18 | i386 | pahartik, playing dvd seems to be very slow |
| 16:13.01 | pahartik | i386: but it is not related to that message... |
| 16:13.07 | i386 | I know |
| 16:13.14 | i386 | it was out of interest why it was there |
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| 16:14.58 | pahartik | i386: edit at least "/etc/default/hddtemp", "/etc/default/smartmontools" and "/etc/default/hdparm" to make sure those tools do not touch DVD-ROM device? |
| 16:15.35 | i386 | no hddtemp |
| 16:15.37 | i386 | or smart tools |
| 16:15.44 | i386 | only hdparm I think |
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| 16:16.56 | pahartik | i386: play with "hdparm" to see if you can find better settings for DVD-ROM device? |
| 16:17.06 | i386 | pahartik, I have |
| 16:17.13 | i386 | but it fails |
| 16:18.38 | pahartik | i386: AFAIK, slave on shared IDE bus is always weaker than master on not shared IDE bus... |
| 16:19.11 | i386 | pahartik, this may not actually be a hardware issue |
| 16:19.33 | i386 | I have a feeling it might have something todo with the software Im using for playback |
| 16:19.58 | pahartik | i386: if you want performance, get DVD-ROM device to IEEE-1394 bus? |
| 16:20.17 | i386 | lol |
| 16:20.37 | i386 | yes but that will cost money. I dont want to pay for it ;) |
| 16:21.07 | pahartik | i386: yes, i like to get things for free |
| 16:21.49 | i386 | lol |
| 16:21.52 | i386 | :) |
| 16:22.11 | i386 | pahartik, I am restoring my first computer |
| 16:22.23 | i386 | I got the computer when I was 7 years old |
| 16:22.31 | pahartik | i386: but i had to pay for IEEE-1394 harddisk... and IEEE-1394 DVD-RW (together with my brother) |
| 16:22.34 | i386 | it is a mac LC575 |
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| 16:22.47 | i386 | I found a Mac OS 7 CD |
| 16:22.52 | i386 | so i can reinstall it |
| 16:23.26 | SimonRaven | the mac mini won't run that |
| 16:23.31 | pahartik | i386: you could install Linux or NetBSD on it...? |
| 16:23.41 | SimonRaven | oh, lc, nm |
| 16:23.59 | i386 | pahartik, nah |
| 16:24.23 | i386 | I have plenty of NIX computers |
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| 16:26.41 | pahartik | i386: i have got LC III |
| 16:31.17 | Bor_Ed | conf gnome so that app can't steal focus? works at least in xfce |
| 16:32.09 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: how do you do that? |
| 16:32.28 | Bor_Ed | xfce conf util has that on behaviour somewhere |
| 16:32.53 | Bor_Ed | no idea about gnome, I'd guess similar can be found there too |
| 16:33.15 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i doubt it can help |
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| 16:35.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i have this Xinerama setup, with fullscreen gxine on second monitor |
| 16:35.26 | SimonRaven | probably in some .xinerc or such |
| 16:35.46 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 16:37.00 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: the binutils compiled here too with toolchain... |
| 16:37.06 | Bor_Ed | now to libc and others |
| 16:37.16 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: but when gxine is in fullscreen mode, it does not want to give up focus... if i move mouse pointer to another window, it gets focus for fraction of second, after which gxine takes it back |
| 16:37.55 | Bor_Ed | weird... though I recall bochs doing the same |
| 16:39.24 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i just need to find where it insists on keeping focus when using fullscreen mode... and disable it so that window manager can decide |
| 16:39.44 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
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| 16:56.26 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: got the gcc build started |
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| 17:09.56 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: damn, that code is beyond my skills |
| 17:10.14 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 17:10.34 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: tried about 10 changes, but no effect |
| 17:10.41 | Bor_Ed | I have hard times on helloworld :D |
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| 18:27.06 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: alive? |
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| 18:31.25 | Rawplayer | tim ;) |
| 18:31.39 | koning_r1bot | kevin! |
| 18:31.46 | Rawplayer | :D |
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| 18:39.24 | dj-death | I still cant build xorg 6.9 from debian sources |
| 18:39.43 | dj-death | it's telling me libcfb24.so does not existe |
| 18:39.45 | dj-death | -e |
| 18:40.33 | dj-death | any idea ? |
| 18:43.03 | SimonRaven | apt-get build-dep <source package name> |
| 18:43.52 | dj-death | bobok:/usr/src/xorg-x11-6.8.99.902.dfsg.1# apt-get build-dep xorg-x11 |
| 18:43.57 | dj-death | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded. |
| 18:44.12 | SimonRaven | then bug the DDs |
| 18:44.23 | dj-death | hmm |
| 18:44.25 | dj-death | ok |
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| 19:08.17 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: yes |
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