| 00:10.50 | *** join/#debianppc OllyM (n=OllyM@84.12.255.21) |
| 00:11.24 | *** part/#debianppc OllyM (n=OllyM@84.12.255.21) |
| 00:17.31 | *** join/#debianppc nefertum (n=jon@106.Red-213-96-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:29.03 | *** join/#debianppc _rene_ (n=rene@dslb-084-056-119-201.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:50.22 | *** join/#debianppc rajesh (n=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh) |
| 01:17.55 | *** join/#debianppc _rene_ (n=rene@dslb-084-056-119-201.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:56.00 | *** join/#debianppc thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.244.162.11.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 01:56.04 | *** part/#debianppc thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.244.162.11.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 01:56.10 | *** join/#debianppc arron (n=arron@CPE-60-231-222-6.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 01:58.35 | Fluten | would lame encodings be a good way to compare my powerpc system to x86? |
| 01:59.27 | mordain | depend what you want to compare |
| 01:59.50 | mordain | lame would push floating point operations, yeah? |
| 02:05.29 | *** join/#debianppc Buddha| (n=mike@adsl-152-46-137.gnv.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:12.47 | *** join/#debianppc [MA]MTM84|X| (n=mtm84@fullerton-cuda-2-24-53-232-90.lmdaca.adelphia.net) |
| 02:16.20 | Fluten | ive been reading that the ppc architecture is better than the x86 architecture because it is RISC based |
| 02:17.33 | Fluten | but am still wondering if it is really very much faster |
| 02:25.51 | pahartik | Fluten: compared to wintel, PowerPC does have much better instruction set and cleaner architecture |
| 02:28.07 | dj-death | wintel ;) |
| 02:33.44 | Fluten | where could i purchase a reasonably priced g4 desktop? the apple stuff i see is overpriced |
| 02:43.45 | Fluten | hmm, or they just look overpriced because they have a lot more power than i need |
| 02:48.25 | fo0bar | Fluten: the mac mini is probably the cheapest powerpc system you can get new |
| 02:48.36 | pahartik | Fluten: if you want low-end workstation "Mac Mini" |
| 03:05.01 | Fluten | this cpu sure does run cool |
| 03:05.21 | Fluten | compared to my pentium 2 cpu |
| 03:36.02 | *** join/#debianppc sk1p (i=alex@p548D671F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:47.59 | *** join/#debianppc Fluten (n=scott@24-176-8-75.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 03:48.25 | Fluten | is cfdisk the correct program to use for partitioning? |
| 03:48.55 | Fluten | i partition a blank drive using it, make ext3 on it and copy over some files, reboot, and when i'm again booted it says that it's not a valid block device |
| 03:58.29 | pahartik | Fluten: if you want it to be bootable on Macintosh, disk needs Apple partition map |
| 04:01.21 | Fluten | i dont want it bootable, just readable and writeable |
| 04:02.49 | pahartik | Fluten: Linux does support many partition map and disklabel types, if enabled on configuration |
| 04:21.54 | pahartik | Fluten: "egrep 'PARTITION|DISKLABEL' /boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
| 04:40.05 | Fluten | im not trying to boot off of it, its a drive other than the one i boot off of |
| 04:40.45 | Fluten | i partition, format, and mount it, and when i reboot it wont let me remount it for some odd reason |
| 04:40.55 | Fluten | saying it's not a valid block device |
| 04:42.40 | pahartik | Fluten: strange, i guess |
| 04:45.57 | pahartik | Fluten: use "disktype" on disk device when it says that? |
| 04:48.03 | Fluten | what is "disktype"? |
| 04:50.08 | pahartik | Fluten: utility that shows things like "http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/disktype-kiara" about disk device |
| 04:52.02 | pahartik | Fluten: reads partition table or disklabel, reads information about contained filesystems, prints out summary... |
| 05:02.25 | Fluten | i use disktype on the main drive device, and it prints out info about the drive |
| 05:02.46 | Fluten | and when i use on the filesystem, it says "Can't open /dev/hdd1: No such device or address" |
| 05:02.55 | *** join/#debianppc marculix (n=mgzh@gw.ptr-80-238-226-234.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 05:03.58 | pahartik | Fluten: kernel disagrees with what "disktype" found from harddisk? |
| 05:05.42 | pahartik | Fluten: "dmesg" should tell what kernel thinks about that harddisk... |
| 06:07.41 | *** join/#debianppc Q-FUNK (n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe12f900-46.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:10.59 | *** join/#debianppc rajesh (n=rajesh@pcp09354616pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 06:53.04 | *** join/#debianppc DJSpike (n=djspike@dyn-83-157-201-46.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 07:34.03 | *** join/#debianppc angel2 (n=ds9@ASt-Lambert-102-1-2-119.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:23.21 | *** join/#debianppc Faust (n=jircii@d161-184-13-29.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 08:27.32 | *** join/#debianppc drwarp (n=warp@85-18-136-90.fastres.net) |
| 08:51.36 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (i=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 08:58.37 | *** join/#debianppc Andrew^22 (n=andrew@host254-9.pool871.interbusiness.it) |
| 09:06.46 | *** join/#debianppc marculix (n=mgzh@gw.ptr-80-238-226-234.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 09:09.05 | *** join/#debianppc dreamind (n=dreamind@C2107.campino.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) |
| 09:09.09 | mordain | anyone tried compiling ldmud ? you get segmentation errors? |
| 09:09.52 | SimonRaven | in gcc? |
| 09:10.18 | SimonRaven | if so, that's a very good indication some of your RAM modules are bad |
| 09:10.27 | SimonRaven | run memtest |
| 09:11.20 | mordain | hmmm, ok will try |
| 09:11.49 | Corsac | memtest exists on ppc ? |
| 09:12.03 | SimonRaven | yes. or did at one point |
| 09:17.41 | grxmrx | are the kde 3.5 debianppc packages available somewhere? |
| 09:17.53 | SimonRaven | no |
| 09:18.01 | SimonRaven | go ask #debian-kde |
| 09:18.26 | grxmrx | ok |
| 09:24.37 | *** join/#debianppc angel2 (n=ds9@ASt-Lambert-102-1-1-241.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:46.08 | MelkorD | grxmrx: Use Gentoo ;) |
| 09:48.21 | *** join/#debianppc reDFog (n=redfog@adsl-ull-196-194.49-151.net24.it) |
| 09:49.44 | grxmrx | MelkorD: I don't have time to compile all of the packages, pegasos2 is too slow for gentoo (IMO) |
| 09:51.29 | MelkorD | grxmrx: Why ? I use it without any problems |
| 09:52.11 | MelkorD | grxmrx: BTW I think there is no something like fast computer for Gentoo ;) |
| 09:52.20 | grxmrx | MelkorD: it's not a case of problems but with time to waste |
| 09:53.16 | MelkorD | grxmrx: This is no so bad. I use Gentoo on both of my machines and make a updated in weekends only |
| 09:53.31 | MelkorD | grxmrx: Two nights is enough for my ~13GB system |
| 10:03.59 | grxmrx | MelkorD: I have only one machine and my knowledge about linux is poor ;) |
| 10:05.10 | MelkorD | grxmrx: Then Debian is a nice idea indeed |
| 10:05.11 | MelkorD | :) |
| 10:14.03 | *** join/#debianppc iOops (n=iOops@AToulouse-254-1-69-26.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:42.12 | *** join/#debianppc Buddha| (n=mike@adsl-152-45-219.gnv.bellsouth.net) |
| 11:27.06 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-151-1-45-196.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:29.28 | *** join/#debianppc ekix (i=eki@YZMMDCCCLXXXV.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 11:29.53 | *** join/#debianppc ekix (i=eki@YZMMDCCCLXXXV.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 12:06.49 | *** join/#debianppc Q-FUNK (n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe12f900-46.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:06.52 | *** join/#debianppc _rene_ (n=rene@dslb-084-056-124-046.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:08.35 | *** join/#debianppc MelkorD (n=MorgothD@kubus.gwarbit.pl) |
| 13:49.01 | *** join/#debianppc johill (i=foobar@p5487CFB1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:19.45 | *** join/#debianppc rajesh (n=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh) |
| 14:27.05 | *** part/#debianppc Buddha| (n=mike@adsl-152-45-219.gnv.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:27.22 | *** join/#debianppc Buddha| (n=mike@adsl-152-45-219.gnv.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:37.19 | *** join/#debianppc TTimo (n=timo@pdpc/supporter/active/TTimo) |
| 14:40.07 | TTimo | lo |
| 14:46.02 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 14:49.41 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 14:51.02 | SimonRaven | ih |
| 14:52.31 | TTimo | someone here would recommend a good resource on setting up suspend/resume for a pbook G4 running debian? |
| 14:54.04 | TTimo | I've been hacking around the problem for a while now and still don't have a working setup |
| 14:57.45 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (n=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 14:59.33 | dj-death | TTimo: kernel >= 2.6.11 and apt-get install pbbuttonsd |
| 14:59.50 | *** join/#debianppc iOops (n=iOops@AToulouse-254-1-69-26.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:59.50 | dj-death | should be enough |
| 15:02.43 | *** join/#debianppc denken (i=jcl@socrates.pixelchaos.net) |
| 15:08.53 | grxmrx | re |
| 15:12.45 | TTimo | mh that daemon doesn't start because it's not seeing /dev/pmu |
| 15:13.02 | TTimo | maybe I should try a standard kernel. must be missing something |
| 15:13.36 | SimonRaven | mknod |
| 15:14.58 | johill | modprobe via-pmu? |
| 15:15.21 | TTimo | I probably messed up this kernel config |
| 15:15.33 | TTimo | lemme try an official kernel first |
| 15:33.46 | *** join/#debianppc Curalton (n=thomas@134.76.62.145) |
| 15:39.16 | *** join/#debianppc drwarp (n=warp@85-18-136-90.fastres.net) |
| 15:39.58 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (n=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 15:41.01 | *** join/#debianppc drwarp (n=warp@85-18-136-90.fastres.net) |
| 15:57.56 | *** join/#debianppc Oryn (i=oryn@falcore.fsck.tv) |
| 16:12.21 | *** join/#debianppc witch (n=witch-jw@p508FE1B9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:15.33 | *** join/#debianppc svenl2_ (n=sven@ALyon-253-1-73-107.w86-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:28.21 | *** join/#debianppc sparc-kly (n=mubex@64.237.241.55) |
| 16:34.19 | *** join/#debianppc sparc-kly (n=mubex@64.237.241.55) |
| 16:35.35 | *** join/#debianppc nefertum (n=jon@106.Red-213-96-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:41.35 | *** join/#debianppc johill (i=foobar@p5487CFB1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:52.46 | *** join/#debianppc Coutal (n=Coutal@85-64-228-215.barak-online.net) |
| 16:59.16 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (n=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 17:12.21 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: you've dropped a bug report on the toolchain-source and didn't remember to mention that it requires a patch applied to work? :D |
| 17:13.01 | Q-FUNK | several of them, actually |
| 17:13.10 | Q-FUNK | the whole thing is severely broken |
| 17:13.13 | Bor_Ed | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322369 |
| 17:13.18 | Q-FUNK | it really needs a new maintainer |
| 17:13.27 | Bor_Ed | so no go with building the environment? |
| 18:06.22 | *** join/#debianppc Andrew^22 (n=andrew@host254-9.pool871.interbusiness.it) |
| 18:26.37 | *** join/#debianppc sparc-kly (n=mubex@64.237.252.246) |
| 18:45.58 | *** join/#debianppc rajesh (i=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh) |
| 18:47.39 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: I guess not. then again, debian has about 1400 RC bugs right now. you do the math. ;) |
| 18:48.13 | Bor_Ed | well at least it bombs here... though the toolchain-source really would need a facelift up to gcc 4 |
| 18:49.28 | Q-FUNK | plenty of bugs filed about that |
| 18:49.34 | Q-FUNK | some of which are my own |
| 19:18.56 | *** join/#debianppc peterrooney (n=peter@S0106001310a01647.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 19:23.43 | *** join/#debianppc michaelnp (n=mike@adsl-152-62-96.gnv.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:36.53 | Curalton | it was reported that AirportExtreme now sortof works on linux: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-409194.html |
| 19:38.17 | Coutal | neat |
| 19:38.39 | Bor_Ed | in linux or in gentoo? :P |
| 19:38.47 | Curalton | heh, linux |
| 19:40.02 | Curalton | this JoseJX seems to be quite productive atm |
| 19:54.35 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o SimonRaven] by ChanServ |
| 19:54.56 | *** topic/#DebianPPC by SimonRaven -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | current release: 2.6.14 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | Airport Extreme driver: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ and http://tinyurl.com/8dpmt and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-409194.html |
| 19:55.03 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [-o SimonRaven] by ChanServ |
| 19:57.13 | *** join/#debianppc Andrew^22 (n=andrew@host254-9.pool871.interbusiness.it) |
| 19:57.19 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (n=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 20:05.21 | *** join/#debianppc iOops (n=iOops@AToulouse-254-1-62-14.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:26.35 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (n=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 21:21.17 | *** join/#debianppc sparc-kly (n=mubex@64.237.252.246) |
| 21:21.22 | *** join/#debianppc eddy1 (n=eddyp@217.156.51.213) |
| 21:21.28 | *** join/#debianppc eddyp (n=eddyp@217.156.51.213) |
| 22:01.50 | *** join/#debianppc grxmrx (n=grxmrx@user12.112.udn.pl) |
| 22:05.01 | *** join/#debianppc paulproteus (n=paulprot@pool-151-196-244-173.balt.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:05.57 | *** join/#debianppc nefertum (n=jon@106.Red-213-96-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:08.19 | *** join/#debianppc Buddha| (n=mike@adsl-152-45-26.gnv.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:21.55 | *** join/#debianppc Coutal (n=Coutal@85-64-228-215.barak-online.net) |
| 22:22.43 | *** join/#debianppc eddyp (n=eddyp@217.156.51.213) |
| 22:22.45 | *** join/#debianppc eddy1 (n=eddyp@217.156.51.213) |
| 22:33.59 | *** join/#debianppc fusero_ppc (n=topota@185.Red-80-36-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:35.54 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-151-1-40-179.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:43.47 | Corsac | gngm |
| 22:43.58 | Corsac | pahartik: are you there ? |
| 23:35.45 | *** join/#debianppc remote (n=remote@modemcable103.152-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:35.56 | remote | Hi. |
| 23:36.04 | paulproteus | Hi, remote. |
| 23:36.12 | remote | Hi. |
| 23:36.18 | remote | you sound like a bot |
| 23:36.22 | remote | ;-) |
| 23:36.41 | remote | does anyone know if it's possible to open a unix shell on mac os9? |
| 23:37.01 | paulproteus | Well, the underlying OS isn't UNIX. |
| 23:37.14 | paulproteus | Unless you're running A/UX - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX |
| 23:37.17 | remote | i've been told it was |
| 23:37.23 | paulproteus | OS 9 is not. |
| 23:37.26 | paulproteus | OS 10 is. |
| 23:37.32 | paulproteus | That was the whole *point* of OS X (-: . |
| 23:39.34 | remote | how bad is aux? |
| 23:39.52 | paulproteus | remote: I have no idea. |
| 23:39.55 | paulproteus | But I know it's hard to find. |
| 23:40.05 | remote | http://www.aux-penelope.com/downloads.htm |
| 23:40.10 | remote | this sounds to be it |
| 23:40.20 | remote | it's a link at the bottom of the wikipedia entry.. |
| 23:40.50 | paulproteus | remote: Oh, so it seems. |
| 23:40.54 | remote | hehe :) |
| 23:41.09 | remote | i think i'm goign to try it before installing debian |
| 23:41.20 | remote | i just put my hand on a 7600/120 ppc |
| 23:44.20 | remote | aww i don't think it runs on it |
| 23:46.30 | SimonRaven | no it won't run it. only certain AWS machines will |
| 23:46.37 | remote | ahh ;-) |
| 23:46.44 | paulproteus | AWS? |
| 23:46.53 | SimonRaven | apple workgroup server |
| 23:47.16 | paulproteus | Oh, shucks. |
| 23:49.16 | remote | what could i do with the machine tho? |
| 23:49.26 | paulproteus | Very little. |
| 23:49.34 | paulproteus | A/UX is a vastly unsupported UNIX OS. |
| 23:49.47 | remote | the machine i mean, not the os !:) |
| 23:50.52 | Curalton | SimonRaven: something for the topic maybe http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-409194.html - AE now works natively thanks to JoseJX |
| 23:50.57 | remote | "A/UX is essentially extinct, and is considered to be abandonware." |
| 23:51.46 | paulproteus | Curalton: I'm currently making a 2.6.15-rc5 kernel-image package so I can try it. |
| 23:52.19 | Curalton | good luck! |
| 23:52.35 | SimonRaven | remote: workstation, router, ... |
| 23:52.44 | SimonRaven | Curalton: /topic |
| 23:53.02 | paulproteus | SimonRaven: Huh? |
| 23:53.13 | paulproteus | Oh, there it is. (-: |
| 23:53.18 | remote | well, i'm wondering if i really want to install debian on it.. |
| 23:53.38 | Curalton | SimonRaven: ah, only saw the topic from when i joined and didnt see your change :) |
| 23:53.59 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 23:54.00 | remote | do you know how fast is a 7600/120 ppc compared to i386 processors |
| 23:54.48 | SimonRaven | same gen it was faster |