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| 00:59.30 | p8r_ | Hi all, am i the only one having broken deps of mplayer via apt (libstdc++6 not available)? |
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| 01:10.42 | pahartik | p8r_: it is not available? |
| 01:11.10 | pahartik | p8r_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libstdc%2B%2B6&searchon=names&version=all&release=main |
| 01:22.15 | p8r_ | pahartik: thanks you got me the idea: mplayer wants libstdc++6 > 4.0.2-3 but testing is at 4.0.2-2 |
| 01:24.06 | pahartik | p8r_: using "libstdc++6" from "unstable" branch should solve that... or building "mplayer" package on "testing" system... |
| 01:24.51 | p8r_ | pahartik: don"t want to build it myself, too many libs to find and install i guess :-(, so i would have to do some pinning, right? |
| 01:25.02 | p8r_ | pahartik: (to get unstable pkgs) |
| 01:26.31 | pahartik | p8r_: most probably |
| 01:27.07 | p8r_ | pahartik: thanks for your time! |
| 01:29.20 | pahartik | p8r_: stable version of "upgrade-system" installs nice default "/etc/apt/preferences" |
| 01:30.51 | pahartik | p8r_: it prefers packages from "stable" unless other version is specified |
| 01:34.17 | p8r_ | pahartik: having an already modified preferences file with testing (pin-priority 700) and unstable (650) |
| 01:37.18 | p8r_ | pahartik: but as i try 'apt-get -t unstable install libstdc++6', it says: already newest version |
| 01:38.05 | pahartik | p8r_: try choosing it in "aptitude"? |
| 01:38.47 | p8r_ | pahartik: oh sorry, i have no unstable entries in my sources list yet :-* |
| 01:39.14 | pahartik | p8r_: that would make it difficult |
| 01:39.43 | p8r_ | pahartik: :-) |
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| 01:46.10 | p8r_ | pahartik: installing the unstable version of libstdc++6 would update my cpp, gcc, and others, and as i had a lot of fuss with my last compiler upgrade, i will wait a bit with that though. But thanks for getting me into pinning again. |
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| 06:14.30 | SimonRaven | 14 hours? yikes. shouldn't it build faster than that? |
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| 06:26.19 | pahartik | SimonRaven: it is fairly slow |
| 06:32.16 | SimonRaven | quite. a module-heavy kernel on the g3 builds in about 1.5-2 hours |
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| 07:25.29 | Bor_Ed | ~70 mins here for a bit ripped kernel |
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| 08:04.10 | CryptoQuick | Hello; I'm new to Linux. Can someone help me installing my distro? |
| 08:04.42 | Bor_Ed | @d-i |
| 08:04.43 | ravenbird | d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 08:04.56 | Bor_Ed | ^^ site possibly |
| 08:05.28 | CryptoQuick | Oh, nice. How would I use that with my dvd distro? |
| 08:05.59 | Bor_Ed | read the install manual on dvd documentation dir |
| 08:06.09 | CryptoQuick | Will do. Thanks. |
| 08:06.27 | Bor_Ed | it's online too at debian.org |
| 08:06.48 | CryptoQuick | Um; oh, one thing... |
| 08:07.35 | CryptoQuick | I'm running the installer and I tried to make the partitions according to the Mac mini guide, previously, in the Mac OS X installer... |
| 08:08.03 | CryptoQuick | But my previous partitions don't show up. I used HFS+ (Journalled, Case-sensitive). |
| 08:08.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, what version of linux you're trying to install? |
| 08:08.34 | CryptoQuick | Let me check... |
| 08:09.02 | CryptoQuick | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0a, "sarge" Official powerpc |
| 08:09.20 | Bor_Ed | that might be too old for macmini |
| 08:09.25 | CryptoQuick | No kidding!? |
| 08:09.41 | CryptoQuick | I went through all that trouble to download the images and it's too old? Goodness. |
| 08:09.44 | Bor_Ed | that's relatively new hardware and sarge has been up for a good while |
| 08:10.01 | CryptoQuick | Are you implying I should go with etch, eh? |
| 08:10.19 | Bor_Ed | or use the d-i to install updated sarge, etch or sid |
| 08:10.31 | Bor_Ed | it allows install of those 3 over the network |
| 08:12.02 | CryptoQuick | I should probably use the "netinst" image, then... Um, can I use the extra packages on my dvd's? Or would they be too old? |
| 08:12.33 | Bor_Ed | you can use them... it's probably just the installer or kernel or both that have hard time with install |
| 08:13.23 | CryptoQuick | Ah. What's the latest kernel version? 2.6... um... something... |
| 08:13.35 | Bor_Ed | @kernel |
| 08:13.40 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14.3, prepatch: 2.6.15-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.15-rc5-git1, 2.4: 2.4.32, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-rc5-mm1 |
| 08:14.04 | CryptoQuick | @kernel |
| 08:14.06 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14.3, prepatch: 2.6.15-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.15-rc5-git1, 2.4: 2.4.32, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-rc5-mm1 |
| 08:14.13 | CryptoQuick | I see. |
| 08:14.18 | Bor_Ed | btw, what partitioning tool you used to try making the partitions? |
| 08:14.37 | CryptoQuick | The OS X Disk Utility... on OS X install DVD. |
| 08:15.20 | Bor_Ed | hmm, no idea how it's done on osx... never used that |
| 08:15.45 | CryptoQuick | I'm disappointed, really. I was thinking, as long as I got this installed, I could just update the kernel within linux. |
| 08:15.54 | CryptoQuick | *sigh* |
| 08:16.16 | Bor_Ed | hmm, make the partitions on linux installer, install mockos to its partition and install linux to its partitions after that |
| 08:16.25 | Bor_Ed | probably works even with sarge installer that way |
| 08:17.59 | CryptoQuick | Mockos? 932 hits on google. |
| 08:18.26 | Bor_Ed | nickname for apples excuse for an operating system |
| 08:18.39 | CryptoQuick | Ohhh... You're a funny one. |
| 08:18.53 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 08:19.53 | CryptoQuick | It makes sense that the linux community would resent something that incorporates their own kernel; I'm sure you look at what Apple did and what you can do, and that there are large differences between the functionality, eh? |
| 08:20.56 | Bor_Ed | I actually use apple software just as oversized bootloader here... and that's going to change as soon as I don't feel lazy |
| 08:21.24 | CryptoQuick | You don't use yaboot? |
| 08:21.30 | Bor_Ed | bootx :/ |
| 08:21.41 | CryptoQuick | Isn't that old world? |
| 08:21.42 | Bor_Ed | I have oldworld ppcs only currently |
| 08:21.57 | CryptoQuick | I'm starting to get this linux stuff. ;) |
| 08:22.38 | Bor_Ed | been thinking of getting the new genesi board but buggr minimum order is 50 pieces |
| 08:23.01 | Bor_Ed | http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php |
| 08:23.27 | CryptoQuick | This is an embedded system? |
| 08:23.40 | Bor_Ed | desktop capable |
| 08:23.42 | CryptoQuick | I read about those all the time in EETimes. |
| 08:24.04 | CryptoQuick | I really just read it to follow the semiconductor industry, though... :) |
| 08:24.34 | Bor_Ed | the pegasos boards they sell too are complete desktop boards... efika is somewhere in between desktop and embeddable I'd say |
| 08:25.40 | CryptoQuick | I've never really thought about low-profile computers; all the time I've been running these really impotent systems that can't play games. It's never really occured to me that I don't need all that power for the things I do regularly. |
| 08:26.32 | Bor_Ed | we have gaming console for games as well as good ol' c64 :) |
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| 08:26.38 | Bor_Ed | computers are for other usages |
| 08:26.52 | CryptoQuick | True. That's a good philosophy. |
| 08:27.34 | CryptoQuick | Now... Why would you run PPC for goodness sakes? Doesn't the Yonah trump the PPC even for TDP? |
| 08:28.11 | Bor_Ed | ppc has low power consumption and it's quiet too compared to x86 |
| 08:28.50 | CryptoQuick | I meant... shoot. TDP is thermal depolymerization, lol... What's the term for thermal watts and stuff? |
| 08:29.14 | Bor_Ed | like I'd remember |
| 08:29.35 | CryptoQuick | *research* |
| 08:30.02 | CryptoQuick | It IS TDP! |
| 08:30.06 | CryptoQuick | I got it right, yay... |
| 08:30.20 | CryptoQuick | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Point |
| 08:31.30 | Bor_Ed | you think I should worry about that when the board takes 2watts in max? :D |
| 08:31.39 | CryptoQuick | Huh? |
| 08:32.14 | Bor_Ed | the efika has 2 watts power in iirc |
| 08:32.32 | CryptoQuick | Nah... That is far too low. Perhaps for the proc, but not the whole board! |
| 08:32.59 | Bor_Ed | there's only ram and rom that adds some to it... ~5watts for whole board I'd say |
| 08:34.08 | Bor_Ed | just noticed though <2watt board with arm9 cpu at linuxdevices a while back... looked decent for vnc and surfing box |
| 08:34.49 | CryptoQuick | VNC is pretty neat. I used that to show a friend some GIMP tricks. :) |
| 08:36.05 | Bor_Ed | I used it during when I did my time in military to use my own box from bootcamp |
| 08:36.44 | CryptoQuick | Wow! How long have you been using linux? |
| 08:38.00 | Bor_Ed | some time :) |
| 08:38.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, around 9 years now I think |
| 08:39.56 | CryptoQuick | Impressive. I would assume you switched to linux because you were tired for paying for basic software? Or did you switch because it was "the cool thing to do?" |
| 08:40.35 | Bor_Ed | I used free basic software on commercial OS before that... just wasn't my kind of OS in the end, it was nice though |
| 08:41.08 | CryptoQuick | I really want to get my hands on OpenOffice.org. I hear it's really good. |
| 08:41.52 | Bor_Ed | it's ok... though I used stardecks staroffice (which was bought by sun and released as openoffice) on the os/2 |
| 08:42.05 | CryptoQuick | OS/2... lol... |
| 08:42.25 | Bor_Ed | it was best desktop os for wintel chips back in day... |
| 08:43.56 | Bor_Ed | off to make breakfast |
| 08:43.59 | CryptoQuick | OK. |
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| 09:08.07 | Bor_Ed | more or less back |
| 09:08.55 | CryptoQuick | Okay... I said, screw my previous installation of OS X; I'm going to use the partitioning software included in the release I downloaded just now. |
| 09:09.12 | CryptoQuick | I can install OS X later, eh? |
| 09:09.48 | dondelelcaro | CryptoQuick: yes, but you'll have to rerun ybin from a chroot |
| 09:09.57 | dondelelcaro | (since it'll nuke the bootloader) |
| 09:10.28 | CryptoQuick | Ah, right... It would be something like Apple bootloader... Heh. |
| 09:11.20 | CryptoQuick | Now I get to choose the size and shape of my partitions! Yay! This is the most fun I've had since spiced ice! |
| 09:14.23 | CryptoQuick | Okay. I want to share certain files between operating systems, such as music; should I use FAT32 for my storage partition? |
| 09:14.38 | CryptoQuick | Um, by storage, I mean, like, yeah, music, and stuff. |
| 09:15.26 | Bor_Ed | fat32 has the 4GB filesize limitation |
| 09:15.38 | CryptoQuick | No kidding!? I that that was FAT16. |
| 09:16.00 | Bor_Ed | fat16 has 512M partition size limit |
| 09:16.08 | Bor_Ed | or was it 2G |
| 09:16.19 | CryptoQuick | Ack. |
| 09:17.03 | Bor_Ed | hmm, got to be 2G since the CF cards are formatted to fat32 |
| 09:17.16 | CryptoQuick | FAT32 can hold 2 terabytes, however, max file size is 4gb. |
| 09:17.20 | CryptoQuick | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32 |
| 09:17.24 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 09:17.44 | CryptoQuick | I see... That's what you said! |
| 09:18.38 | CryptoQuick | What is this "Unix File System" that Apple supports? It's not really listed in the installer... |
| 09:18.45 | Bor_Ed | ufs? |
| 09:18.55 | CryptoQuick | Yeah, I guess... |
| 09:19.20 | Corsac | is there a way to disable adt746 debug messages ? |
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| 09:56.45 | CryptoQuick | I'm having a problem with the installer; it won't let me make a FAT32 partition at /shared in IDE1#6. |
| 09:59.00 | CryptoQuick | Can anybody think of any reason why the installer won't let me create my partition table? |
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| 10:02.12 | CryptoQuick | Nevermind. I fixed it. |
| 10:16.51 | CryptoQuick | Aw, shoot. I'm trying to get my dvd packages scanned, but my mac mini's drive doesn't have an eject button! How am I supposed to insert the section dvd!? |
| 10:16.59 | CryptoQuick | *second dvd!? |
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| 10:29.55 | CryptoQuick | Is there any way to enter the command prompt during the package install program? If I can just get in there and type eject /cdrom that would fix my problem, right? |
| 10:34.51 | CryptoQuick | Okay; is there a way to access the command line in Apt configuration? |
| 10:36.27 | Corsac | CryptoQuick: can't you just open another term and type eject ? |
| 10:37.04 | CryptoQuick | How? This isn't inside GNOME, if that's what you're thinking; it's trying to scan my DVDs when I start up. |
| 10:41.29 | CryptoQuick | Okay, I'll just install the basic packages to get my system running, then use my DVDs once I have a GUI to run from, eh? |
| 10:41.54 | CryptoQuick | Someone really should put an eject command inside that program, though. Sheesh! |
| 10:42.49 | Corsac | don't you have another console ? |
| 10:43.43 | CryptoQuick | I'm using another computer, but I don't see how I can eject the DVD from my mini from this powerbook. |
| 10:44.07 | Corsac | i mean another console on the same computer |
| 10:44.25 | Corsac | i can't understand what you're trying to do |
| 10:45.45 | CryptoQuick | Heh; no, there's no other console in the program that starts up once you've installed the basic Debian core, then restarted. |
| 10:48.28 | Corsac | you can login ? |
| 10:49.20 | CryptoQuick | Um... I just told it what my login information is, so I would doubt I could get to a login screen. |
| 10:49.39 | Corsac | well |
| 10:49.46 | Corsac | try alt f2 |
| 10:50.14 | CryptoQuick | I'll try it next time, thanks. ;) |
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| 11:33.13 | Q-FUNK | pretty strange. no single commit to 2.6.15-rc5 since 5 days. |
| 11:33.35 | CryptoQuick | Does this mean that development is slowing? |
| 11:34.17 | Q-FUNK | probably just that Linus is currently on vacation in Finland. |
| 11:34.32 | Bor_Ed | he doesn't have *book yet? |
| 11:35.05 | Q-FUNK | I would think that when he comes here, he uses a *book of some sort, but barely has enough time to read mail. |
| 11:35.22 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 11:35.38 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to donate the ericsson mc218 to him :D |
| 11:35.54 | Q-FUNK | he was at the ID presidential ball. |
| 11:36.19 | Bor_Ed | yea, I recall spotting that from i-s |
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| 11:40.17 | Q-FUNK | Bor_Ed: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=q-funk@iki.fi |
| 11:40.38 | Q-FUNK | seems I'm this close to hijacking ispell-fi |
| 11:40.41 | Bor_Ed | bought yourself yet one of those arm boards? :) |
| 11:41.01 | Q-FUNK | nope. never had any of those. |
| 11:41.14 | Bor_Ed | they just went out for deb devels this week |
| 11:41.30 | Bor_Ed | I could buy the board from you if you decide to order :) |
| 11:41.45 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9805538664.html |
| 11:41.48 | Q-FUNK | ah yes |
| 11:42.50 | CryptoQuick | Anyone ever put linux on a printer? ARMs are used on printers, so... |
| 11:43.26 | Bor_Ed | printers tend to run on ppc and m68k... at least the ones I've opened (laser printers) |
| 11:43.40 | Bor_Ed | arm is used on pdas and such though |
| 11:44.04 | CryptoQuick | Yeah, my old Newton 2100 uses one. :) |
| 11:44.29 | Bor_Ed | my ericsson mc218 has one too |
| 11:44.57 | CryptoQuick | *hops off to phonescoop.com* |
| 11:46.35 | CryptoQuick | Not on phonescoop.com, since it's not a phone, heh... |
| 11:46.42 | CryptoQuick | That's quite a device! |
| 11:46.50 | Bor_Ed | it's psion series 5mx clone |
| 11:47.54 | CryptoQuick | My Newton is several times faster than yours. :P |
| 11:48.47 | CryptoQuick | I could, like, pump out Folding@Home scores with this baby. |
| 11:48.49 | Bor_Ed | oh well, epoc32 is fastest OS I've seen so far so no biggie |
| 11:50.06 | CryptoQuick | Oh yeah? Well, my Newton OS can read handwriting. Beat that! |
| 11:50.33 | Bor_Ed | bleh |
| 11:50.45 | Bor_Ed | so can palmos... on 8MHz m68k :D |
| 11:50.48 | CryptoQuick | It's way better than Palm's craplimentation, too. |
| 11:51.03 | Bor_Ed | palm was nice when one used couple of mins to learn it |
| 11:52.39 | CryptoQuick | Are you saying Newtons aren't intuitive? |
| 11:52.57 | Bor_Ed | nope, I'm just saying I don't have need for such |
| 11:53.49 | CryptoQuick | They're cool little devices. I would use it as teleportation device if I had an oscillation overthruster. |
| 11:56.18 | CryptoQuick | Okay... How am I going to get sound to work on my mini? Something about alsa-lib... I downloaded it, installed it, but my Music Player isn't working, still. |
| 11:56.38 | CryptoQuick | I get error sounds from my OS, though. Plenty of those. |
| 11:58.02 | Bor_Ed | modprobe the sound driver |
| 11:58.08 | Bor_Ed | google for correct one |
| 11:59.30 | CryptoQuick | It's an Intrepid audio driver. It's supposedly included in alsa-lib... |
| 11:59.31 | CryptoQuick | "Apparently his patch is in kernel 2.6.12-rc4 or later, and you need alsa-lib 1.0.9rc3 or later." |
| 12:01.46 | Bor_Ed | you have patched kernel running? |
| 12:02.07 | CryptoQuick | Huh? I did the whole ./configure make install thing... |
| 12:02.14 | CryptoQuick | But that was just alsa-lib. |
| 12:02.39 | Bor_Ed | you need to patch the kernel too according to the line you pasted |
| 12:02.42 | CryptoQuick | Oh! Um, how do I check that version. |
| 12:02.53 | Bor_Ed | uname -a |
| 12:03.37 | CryptoQuick | Hrm... It says 2.6.12-1-powerpc... Does that mean it's higher or lower than rc4? |
| 12:03.41 | Bor_Ed | and btw, I think deb has alsa-lib 1.0.9 or later |
| 12:03.49 | Bor_Ed | higher |
| 12:04.01 | Bor_Ed | you still need the patch too though |
| 12:04.05 | CryptoQuick | Okay, so everything should be working. |
| 12:04.44 | CryptoQuick | Well, his patch is in the kernel I'm running, and the alsa-lib... How do I figure out what version of that i"m running? |
| 12:06.06 | Bor_Ed | eh? |
| 12:06.20 | Bor_Ed | you said you have 2.6.12-1 |
| 12:06.32 | CryptoQuick | Is there a way to figure out the version of alsa-lib I'm running? Not the kernel. The library. |
| 12:06.44 | Bor_Ed | dpkg -S or similar |
| 12:07.48 | Corsac | dpkg -l ? |
| 12:07.54 | Bor_Ed | right |
| 12:08.08 | CryptoQuick | Thanks, that works a bit better. |
| 12:08.50 | CryptoQuick | It put too much into the window, and it stops at the G's. |
| 12:09.50 | CryptoQuick | I mean, the command puts too much text into the window, and won't scroll up all the way. |
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| 12:23.42 | CryptoQuick | I don't know what version of alsa I'm running, but I've downloaded alsa-lib, and I need to install this. Do I just do ./configure make install, that sort of thing? |
| 12:34.42 | Bor_Ed | you'd prolly better off to install alsa-base or so package that ships with the needed stuff |
| 12:36.45 | CryptoQuick | I figured out the sudo command. I think it's all done, I just need to restart the system, no? |
| 12:39.36 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 12:39.45 | Bor_Ed | one has to reboot only for a new kernel |
| 12:40.05 | CryptoQuick | No kidding? Uh... That's cool! Just log out next time, then? |
| 12:40.13 | Bor_Ed | or lock screen |
| 12:40.26 | Bor_Ed | or hibernate or whatever you prefer |
| 12:40.52 | CryptoQuick | That's good to know. |
| 12:41.20 | Bor_Ed | not sure if hibernate requires a special partition... google a bit to find out if you're interested on that option |
| 12:42.08 | CryptoQuick | Hibernation? Nah, I'm still trying to figure out sound! Okay, so the error is "Could not create audio output element; check your settings." |
| 12:42.30 | Bor_Ed | what app whines that? |
| 12:42.37 | CryptoQuick | Music Player. |
| 12:42.50 | Bor_Ed | you might need to specify the audio plugin as alsa |
| 12:43.15 | CryptoQuick | Not many options in the preferences... |
| 12:43.32 | Bor_Ed | music player eh? mplayer? |
| 12:44.04 | CryptoQuick | No, the built in Music Player. In Sound & Video. Is there a better app? |
| 12:44.20 | Bor_Ed | that's linux now, right? |
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| 12:44.43 | CryptoQuick | Debian, yes. I am in #debianppc, am I not? :P |
| 12:44.53 | Bor_Ed | I tend to use beep-media-player for music playback |
| 12:45.02 | Bor_Ed | does decent job at little load |
| 12:50.52 | CryptoQuick | Let's see if it works. |
| 12:54.12 | CryptoQuick | Hrm... It would appear that it can't find X11. |
| 12:54.25 | Bor_Ed | you don't have X up? |
| 12:55.01 | CryptoQuick | Um... How would I know if it's installed? |
| 12:55.16 | Bor_Ed | if you have, startx will get you to gui |
| 12:55.55 | CryptoQuick | It gives me errors in both terminals, root and regular. |
| 12:56.51 | Bor_Ed | then you probably don't have X there |
| 12:57.15 | CryptoQuick | I would assume. Is that odd? It didn't get installed in the Debian distro? |
| 12:57.38 | Bor_Ed | only basesystem gets installed if you don't select anything |
| 12:58.28 | CryptoQuick | How do I enter that installer thing again? |
| 12:59.14 | Bor_Ed | base-config or similar app |
| 12:59.22 | Corsac | does someone use bonjour/zeroconf ? |
| 12:59.35 | Bor_Ed | or install the software just with apt |
| 12:59.50 | CryptoQuick | Bonjour, isn't that the connectivity application? For, um, connecting to things? |
| 12:59.55 | Corsac | CryptoQuick: yes |
| 13:00.04 | CryptoQuick | It's used on OS X. |
| 13:00.50 | Corsac | http://www.passerelleco.info/article.php3?id_article=489 |
| 13:00.52 | Corsac | gmnmng |
| 13:00.53 | Corsac | not that |
| 13:01.13 | Corsac | making it possible to take two laptop computers, and connect them with a crossover Ethernet cable, and have them communicate usefully using IP, without needing a man in a white lab coat to set it all up for you. |
| 13:01.28 | Corsac | it's used in os9/X, win98/2000/XP |
| 13:02.29 | CryptoQuick | Ouch! French! I just burned myself, it's so haute. |
| 13:02.43 | Corsac | ? |
| 13:02.51 | CryptoQuick | Um. Bad pun. |
| 13:02.56 | Corsac | =/ |
| 13:03.01 | CryptoQuick | But aren't they all bad puns? |
| 13:03.22 | CryptoQuick | It's joke if it's actually funny; a pun is just something that makes you cringe. |
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| 13:33.58 | CryptoQuick | Is there a Firefox 1.5 debian package? |
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| 13:35.14 | Bor_Ed | probably |
| 13:36.27 | CryptoQuick | I'm not seeing it on debian.org |
| 13:36.39 | _rene_ | because it failed to build on ppc |
| 13:36.42 | _rene_ | welcome in sid, wait |
| 13:37.24 | _rene_ | (and it was renamed mozilla-firefox -> firefox...) |
| 13:37.28 | Bor_Ed | prolly on apt-get.org |
| 13:37.48 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: no. it is in sid. just fails to build on ppc |
| 13:37.56 | Bor_Ed | I use only vanilla moz so dunno about the ff :) |
| 13:38.00 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: the maintainer has to fix that and upload a new version |
| 13:38.19 | Bor_Ed | Mozilla 1.7.12 |
| 13:38.20 | Bor_Ed | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051009 Debian/1.7.12-1 |
| 13:38.30 | Bor_Ed | I'd say this is recent enough to run most sites :) |
| 13:38.51 | _rene_ | and he asked for firefox, you are off-topic |
| 13:38.57 | Bor_Ed | true |
| 13:39.48 | CryptoQuick | Heh... Um... This debian is proving difficult. I like a challenge, though. How do you access apt again? |
| 13:40.18 | Bor_Ed | with apt commands, using tasksel or other front ends and so on |
| 13:40.58 | CryptoQuick | Oh, so there are add-on softwares that don't come with the debian distro that I got that will make all this software installation much easier? Is that what you are trying to tell me? |
| 13:41.36 | Bor_Ed | the other software installers are included on debian |
| 13:42.23 | _rene_ | most software out there *are* packaged for debian |
| 13:42.30 | _rene_ | err. s/are/is/ |
| 13:43.09 | Bor_Ed | yup, but installable through the easy to use tools like apt-get :) |
| 13:44.42 | CryptoQuick | Let me figure this apt-get thing out... |
| 13:45.34 | CryptoQuick | What's the difference between apt-get and dpkg? |
| 13:46.26 | Bor_Ed | apt-get downloads the packages, solves deps and calls dpkg to do the install... similar diff as on mandriva with rpm and urpmi |
| 13:46.31 | _rene_ | apt-get is a frontend to dpkg |
| 13:47.05 | CryptoQuick | Oh! Awesome! Solves dependencies! I was thinking I'd have to download all that other stuff too... That would have been a pain. |
| 13:48.06 | _rene_ | that would be the rpm world :-P |
| 13:48.33 | Bor_Ed | well, urpmi works on mandriva... and I've heard that suse has nowadays a working front end too |
| 13:48.57 | CryptoQuick | Oh, yeah, suse is cool. It's way easier than debian, imho. |
| 13:49.17 | CryptoQuick | It's just that... all the cool people use debian! |
| 13:49.32 | Bor_Ed | suse and mandriva are desktop distros... debian is a bit more to propellerhead league |
| 13:50.08 | CryptoQuick | Heh... If I wanted to do normal stuff, I would have stuck with OS X. ;) |
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| 13:50.58 | lqb | Hi |
| 13:51.10 | Bor_Ed | afternoon |
| 13:51.14 | CryptoQuick | Morning. |
| 13:51.24 | lqb | or morning |
| 13:51.26 | lqb | :P |
| 13:51.47 | lqb | I need help :SS |
| 13:51.59 | Bor_Ed | we all do... |
| 13:53.08 | lqb | I've kubuntu installed on my ibook (there aren't any channel #ubuntuppc :SSS) and At the begining of install it the ibook go to suspend ok when I close the screen... but now when I close the screen it make nothing.... :SSSS I don't touch any configuration of power, apm, acpi.... |
| 13:53.16 | lqb | What can I make? |
| 13:53.43 | _rene_ | no idea. works fine on Debian :P |
| 13:53.53 | CryptoQuick | APT has a laptop configuration... |
| 13:53.57 | _rene_ | and this *is* #debianppc, that there is no #ubuntuppc is irrelevant :-P |
| 13:54.19 | CryptoQuick | Haterator. |
| 13:54.49 | lqb | :( ok |
| 13:55.53 | CryptoQuick | He has a point though... Ubuntu isn't nearly as cool as real Debian. |
| 13:56.02 | CryptoQuick | If only I could get it to work! |
| 13:57.05 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.44 | CryptoQuick | grep -R /topic current |
| 13:58.35 | lqb | yes, but there are more possibilities I'll receive help here that in #gentooppc or #ubuntu :SS |
| 13:59.42 | Bor_Ed | #gentooppc... you'd be converted for that and still wait for stage2 installer to load up after 2 weeks of crunching :) |
| 13:59.54 | Bor_Ed | anyway, try out with debian kernel, it might do the trick |
| 14:00.33 | CryptoQuick | It's worth a try, at least. |
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| 14:01.54 | lqb | anyonw know any channel to ask it? |
| 14:02.39 | Bor_Ed | probably ubuntu related since it works on debian |
| 14:03.42 | lqb | |Bor_Ed| debian is linux, gentoo is linux, ubuntu is linuxe, fedora is linux..... |
| 14:04.01 | lqb | linux with different configuration... but linux after all... |
| 14:04.17 | Bor_Ed | lqb: I'm not that sure on gentoo... that doesn't share that much code with vanilla anyway :) |
| 14:04.18 | _rene_ | yes, and? |
| 14:04.23 | _rene_ | if ubuntu has a different config? |
| 14:04.31 | _rene_ | no idea what they hosed up again |
| 14:04.34 | _rene_ | but they often do |
| 14:04.38 | Bor_Ed | though the prob you have is probably because of ubuntu tools/builds or something... |
| 14:05.00 | Bor_Ed | _rene_: thanks for clarifying what I tried to mention :) |
| 14:05.56 | lqb | yes yes... ok.. thanks anyway... I'll go to watch Tv |
| 14:06.03 | lqb | news hour :P |
| 14:06.12 | Bor_Ed | just try debian kernel... it might work |
| 14:06.35 | lqb | |Bor_Ed| debian stable version has old kernel :S |
| 14:06.48 | Bor_Ed | 2.6.12-1-powerpc is old? |
| 14:07.00 | lqb | no :S is new |
| 14:07.08 | lqb | stable version is 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 14:07.09 | Bor_Ed | well you can always use sid one too which is 2.4.16-2 |
| 14:07.18 | Bor_Ed | stable is at 2.6.12 iirc |
| 14:07.35 | lqb | I need 2.6.13 or more... for driver reason... |
| 14:07.44 | _rene_ | then use sids 2.6.14.. |
| 14:07.53 | Bor_Ed | then pick up sid kernel, that's after all what the ubuntu family is based on |
| 14:08.02 | lqb | I'll go to download it... |
| 14:08.18 | lqb | yesterday I'll tray to download it from debian official webpage and the link was broken |
| 14:08.36 | lqb | the link no... but the images are corrupted |
| 14:08.49 | Bor_Ed | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/ works here... use your country id in the middle to get closest mirror |
| 14:09.12 | lqb | gogogoogo |
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| 14:11.34 | lqb | 3.1 sarge ?= |
| 14:12.37 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:13.21 | _rene_ | does anyone know a already apt-gettable location for the non-free Java crap for ppc? |
| 14:13.48 | Bor_Ed | blackdown is on oo.o contribs source, though older than age |
| 14:14.08 | Bor_Ed | just pick up the jre1.5 from ibm developerworks site |
| 14:14.32 | _rene_ | I don't have a login and don't want to register :-P |
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| 14:14.45 | Bor_Ed | hrm... can you accept dcc? |
| 14:14.49 | _rene_ | and I'd need 1.4 anyway |
| 14:14.53 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: jup, should work |
| 14:15.00 | Bor_Ed | I only have the 1.5 though :) |
| 14:15.03 | _rene_ | and I need the sdk :-) |
| 14:15.14 | _rene_ | building OOo2 sarge backport for ppc... |
| 14:15.20 | Bor_Ed | fetch |
| 14:15.47 | _rene_ | thanks. at least a first step for some other stuff ;-) |
| 14:15.52 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 14:16.14 | Bor_Ed | I got the file the same way... developerworks didn't let me to register so I got it from a friend :) |
| 14:16.25 | _rene_ | :-) |
| 14:18.10 | Bor_Ed | just remember not to put the file to public availability(sp)... I recall at least one had to remove it from his site after having negotiations with ibm |
| 14:27.41 | CryptoQuick | Super Cow Powers? WTF? |
| 14:29.38 | _rene_ | Bor_Ed: yeah, no problem. |
| 14:29.57 | Bor_Ed | apt-get moo ? :) |
| 14:30.31 | CryptoQuick | Move over Clarus, there's a new cow in town. |
| 14:35.38 | p8r_afk | Hi, howmany of you have the following line in dmesg: ohci1394: fw-host0: Unexpected PCI resource length of 1000! ? |
| 14:37.35 | CryptoQuick | Oh, shoot. I have gdm installed, and I tried to install xdm. What should I go with? |
| 14:38.05 | Bor_Ed | gdm/kdm has more options than xdm |
| 14:38.39 | CryptoQuick | Oh... How could I install x-windows, then? |
| 14:38.58 | pahartik | p8r_: not here... is it supposed to show up when kernel is booting? |
| 14:39.01 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 14:39.54 | CryptoQuick | Well, durr... I mean... It told me, while doing that... Which default... Okay, I guess I'm being stupid again. I didn't get any sleep last night, okay? |
| 14:40.08 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
| 14:41.20 | p8r_ | pahartik: yes, and i found a lot of powerpc bootup messages like that on google, but since 1394 is working, it doesn't seem to be strange |
| 14:43.49 | lqb | Now I'm here :P |
| 14:44.00 | CryptoQuick | lqb is in the house! |
| 14:44.17 | lqb | uhmm sorry it's trye |
| 14:44.19 | lqb | *true |
| 14:45.05 | pahartik | p8r_: actually i do have it once on "/var/log/dmesg", just that "dmesg" does not show it anymore (after 41 days of uptime) |
| 14:45.28 | lqb | so... 3.1 sarge has 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 14:45.29 | lqb | :S |
| 14:45.41 | Bor_Ed | sarge has only 2.6.12 |
| 14:45.46 | Bor_Ed | sid has 2.6.14 |
| 14:45.54 | Bor_Ed | probably etch too |
| 14:46.06 | lqb | sid... ok |
| 14:46.45 | p8r_ | pahartik: so it does occur sometimes, but really seems no prob so far. |
| 14:46.53 | lqb | |Bor_Ed| look: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/powerpc/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:47.02 | lqb | the first two images are corrupted :S |
| 14:47.13 | lqb | check to download and see the size :S |
| 14:48.28 | Bor_Ed | hmm, if I |
| 14:48.39 | Bor_Ed | 'd need installer, I'd take the netinstall or businesscard iso |
| 14:48.51 | Bor_Ed | and just the d-i, not the whole shebang |
| 14:49.35 | lqb | what is businesscard iso? :SSSSSS |
| 14:50.40 | Bor_Ed | that's the 100something meg iso that has the basesys and not much more |
| 14:50.46 | Bor_Ed | available on deb downloads |
| 14:51.22 | lqb | ajam |
| 14:51.28 | lqb | okay |
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| 15:02.35 | CryptoQuick | Which is better? KDE or GNOME? I'll bet this question gets asked a lot... |
| 15:02.47 | Corsac | xfce \o/ |
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| 15:05.31 | lqb | motherboard of the ibook G4 has acpi support? :SSS |
| 15:06.47 | pahartik | lqb: it does have PMU |
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| 15:09.21 | pahartik | p8r_: it has not caused problems with IEEE-1394 devices i have used |
| 15:09.56 | CryptoQuick | Doesn't anybody call it FireWire? |
| 15:10.02 | Corsac | apple does |
| 15:10.09 | CryptoQuick | Yay! Apple! |
| 15:10.36 | pahartik | Corsac: i was just about to say that |
| 15:11.10 | Corsac | :) |
| 15:11.24 | Corsac | pahartik: my problem with gphoto2 seems to be solved |
| 15:11.25 | Corsac | well |
| 15:11.38 | Corsac | not in gphoto2, but i can use libgphoto2 with gthumb |
| 15:11.45 | pahartik | CryptoQuick: Sony calls it i.Link (or something) |
| 15:11.57 | CryptoQuick | Ew, Sony. |
| 15:12.01 | CryptoQuick | Boo, Sony. |
| 15:13.26 | CryptoQuick | Nobody knows what a rootkit is anyway, right? What they don't know can't hurt 'em... Yeah, right. |
| 15:13.54 | lqb | uhmmm pmu... it explain all.... |
| 15:14.08 | lqb | to go to suspend mode is neccesario pmu daemon is runninng |
| 15:14.10 | lqb | ? |
| 15:14.20 | lqb | ups necesario? xDDDDDDDD neccesary |
| 15:15.29 | Corsac | lqb: nop |
| 15:15.33 | Corsac | i don't have pmud |
| 15:15.47 | lqb | ajam |
| 15:15.47 | lqb | ok |
| 15:15.48 | pahartik | lqb: install "pbbuttonsd |
| 15:16.00 | pahartik | lqb: install "pbbuttonsd" |
| 15:16.01 | lqb | pbuttonsd? ok going... |
| 15:16.21 | pahartik | lqb: sorry about unbalanced quotes |
| 15:17.07 | lqb | uhmm |
| 15:19.09 | grxmrx | whatever I have installed stable (sarge), unstable or testing debian is very unstable here, I found that there are some errors (in the /var/syslog) connected with radeon driver or sth or maybe something else, I have random lockups or random exiting from kde or gnome to the logon screen |
| 15:21.27 | grxmrx | I don't know if it's a bug, there are some error messages like this: r 0: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] |
| 15:21.28 | grxmrx | Dec 10 16:53:16 pegasos kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init call |
| 15:21.28 | grxmrx | ed without lock held |
| 15:23.17 | CryptoQuick | Bor_Ed: I think you'll be glad to know that I have fixed the audio difficulty I was having with some tweaking of Beep-Media-Player. |
| 15:24.53 | pahartik | grxmrx: does your kernel have "CONFIG_PREEMPT" enabled? |
| 15:25.04 | lqb | uhmm but i've one dubte |
| 15:25.23 | lqb | why pmud isn't neccesary to go to suspend mode :S? |
| 15:25.36 | grxmrx | pahartik: how can I check that? |
| 15:26.32 | pahartik | grxmrx: "uname -a" probably shows it |
| 15:27.14 | grxmrx | uname --all |
| 15:27.14 | grxmrx | Linux pegasos 2.6.12-1-powerpc #1 Tue Sep 27 10:28:44 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 15:27.23 | lqb | to eat!! :PPPPP see you |
| 15:28.45 | pahartik | grxmrx: no PREEMPT then... have you tried both, "xserver-xfree86" and "xserver-xorg"? |
| 15:29.45 | grxmrx | pahartik: I have the same problem with 2.6.8 with xfree86, then x.org |
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| 16:05.11 | CryptoQuick | I'm out. Thanks for all of your help! |
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| 18:35.58 | tha_gamemaster | this is going to sound like a stupid question but I can't find the exact answer online. How safe/compatible is hfs+ with linux kernels 2.6.7+ |
| 18:36.21 | Bor_Ed | good luck on trying |
| 18:36.39 | Bor_Ed | it's 'stable' but can break up whole FS |
| 18:36.49 | tha_gamemaster | so it's definately far from perfect then |
| 18:37.05 | Bor_Ed | around the same level as ntfs write is |
| 18:37.19 | tha_gamemaster | oh gawd. might as well just format the drive |
| 18:37.25 | Corsac | hmh |
| 18:37.36 | Bor_Ed | fat32 is more or less safe pick |
| 18:37.38 | Corsac | i use hfs+ for my mp3s since the begining |
| 18:37.39 | Corsac | read/write |
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| 18:37.48 | Corsac | it works fine |
| 18:38.27 | tha_gamemaster | hrm. just hrm. |
| 18:39.30 | Bor_Ed | no worries then |
| 18:40.11 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: it's actually a lot better than NTFS write IME |
| 18:40.43 | tha_gamemaster | see ntfs write says "UNSAFE" or "only does this" hfs+ write says nothing, that's why I'm asking. |
| 18:40.54 | SimonRaven | ntfs write you have to keep the same size file else you get oopses |
| 18:41.00 | tha_gamemaster | yea |
| 18:41.23 | SimonRaven | or worse. data corruption, etc. hfs+ support was better than that even early on |
| 18:42.06 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: ookay |
| 18:42.50 | SimonRaven | on write, way back i got oopses too, but at least i didn't have to be mindful of the file size. that's just crazy |
| 18:43.06 | SimonRaven | and it wasn't for *every* write |
| 18:45.05 | SimonRaven | sorry for a seeming rant, didn't mean for it to be that way |
| 18:45.52 | Bor_Ed | well, all I knew of the support was that it's flakey, you at least corrected that |
| 18:46.17 | SimonRaven | yeh, it *used* to be really flakey. |
| 18:46.25 | SimonRaven | no doubt about that |
| 18:47.42 | pahartik | tha_gamemaster: store data on server, use NFS to access |
| 18:53.46 | Curalton | huh? worked fine here. |
| 18:54.00 | Curalton | or, no it was acutally eth1394 and wlan |
| 18:55.08 | pahartik | Curalton: how did you set it up? |
| 18:56.01 | pahartik | Curalton: when trying "sudo brctl addif br0 eth2" i get "can't add eth2 to bridge br0: Invalid argument" |
| 18:59.17 | Curalton | uhm, just as a normal forwarding. after all wlan was eth1 and firewire eth2. a DNAT rule and done |
| 18:59.39 | Curalton | brctrl, what tool is that? |
| 19:01.48 | pahartik | Curalton: "brctl(8) - ethernet bridge administration" of "bridge-utils" package |
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| 19:02.19 | Curalton | ah, as in joining two 1GB links? |
| 19:03.01 | Curalton | if you mean that actual bridging then i spoke too soon, here it was just used for wlan access |
| 19:03.11 | Curalton | including the NAT hack :/ |
| 19:04.41 | pahartik | Curalton: bridge as in "bridge that relays ethernet frames but is invisible on IP level" |
| 19:09.59 | pahartik | Curalton: i know how to set up NAT... but it would be nice to just be part of existing ethernet LAN, even when connecting node to IEEE-1394 network side |
| 19:11.40 | Curalton | set up the ieee/ethernet host as a router? |
| 19:12.55 | pahartik | Curalton: that might work but i am not sure |
| 19:14.48 | tha_gamemaster | pahartik: I'll probably get flammed for this but I really don't care for nfs ^_^. I've just had bad luck with it is all. |
| 19:15.41 | pahartik | tha_gamemaster: what happened? |
| 19:16.20 | tha_gamemaster | couldn't get the nfs shares (servers/clients) to all communicate. This was a while ago, haven't tried it since. I've just done local filetransfers or scp since. |
| 19:17.36 | tha_gamemaster | 'course we're talking 2.4.x |
| 19:20.47 | tha_gamemaster | anyways, how long you think ppc will be actively developed once apple goes fully intel? i've been worrying |
| 19:20.59 | pahartik | tha_gamemaster: i use NFS all the time... i do not remember if i started that with Linux 2.2 or before |
| 19:23.35 | pahartik | tha_gamemaster: i do not think development will stop until POWER and PowerPC chips stop getting produced at factory and it is difficult to find second-hand PowerPC workstations |
| 19:24.05 | Bor_Ed | thank gawd odw and such projects keep going on |
| 19:25.09 | tha_gamemaster | pahartik: i was hoping so. keep it up guys! whomever you are. |
| 19:42.18 | pahartik | Curalton: it seems only thing i will miss with route instead of bridge is "DHCP working transparently over it" |
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| 20:33.22 | CryptoQuick | Does anybody know of any good parametric modeling CAD programs that work with Debian? Preferably in .deb install packages, but anything is good. |
| 20:40.45 | tha_gamemaster | qcad |
| 20:41.15 | tha_gamemaster | varicad |
| 20:41.26 | tha_gamemaster | tomcad |
| 20:41.52 | tha_gamemaster | CryptoQuick: http://www.architectafrica.com/bin0/news200411111_wine.html |
| 20:42.25 | CryptoQuick | Nothing native to linux, eh? |
| 20:43.35 | Curalton | wine is pretty pointless in regard to linux/ppc |
| 20:43.58 | CryptoQuick | True, true... |
| 20:52.00 | tha_gamemaster | CryptoQuick: weren't qcad, varicad, and tomcad linux native? |
| 20:52.10 | tha_gamemaster | i don't know i never use CAD software, i was just googling |
| 20:53.51 | tha_gamemaster | got to reboot to see if i saved this hard drive. |
| 20:53.54 | CryptoQuick | I'm not sure, but I've heard Varkon is goood, so I'm heading into that right now. |
| 20:55.07 | Curalton | still, if it is not OSS it will most likely be only available for x86 |
| 20:55.38 | Curalton | the only commercial linuxsoftware or even drivers that are also available for ppc is opera it seems |
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| 21:33.31 | techno | does anyone know how to get sound working on a mac mini under debian? |
| 21:34.16 | techno | anyone? |
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| 21:34.48 | CryptoQuick | I figured it out, actually... |
| 21:34.54 | CryptoQuick | Um... |
| 21:34.59 | CryptoQuick | He could have been a bit more patient. |
| 21:35.11 | Bor_Ed | long gone... some ppl just don't have the time to wait for an answer |
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| 21:35.57 | CryptoQuick | Someone with that short of an attention span isn't worthy of installing Debian. He can stick with an Ubuntu distro. |
| 21:36.10 | Bor_Ed | :D |
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| 21:36.28 | Bor_Ed | anyway, I'm off for shuteye |
| 21:36.51 | techno | does anyone know how to get audio working on a mac mini under debian unstable? |
| 21:36.57 | CryptoQuick | Cya. |
| 21:37.07 | CryptoQuick | Oh, hey, it's you again. |
| 21:37.14 | CryptoQuick | Yeah, techno, I got it to work. |
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| 21:37.19 | techno | yes |
| 21:37.21 | techno | tell me more |
| 21:37.29 | techno | how did you do it |
| 21:37.29 | techno | > |
| 21:37.30 | techno | ? |
| 21:37.31 | CryptoQuick | What you need is something called ALSA. |
| 21:37.44 | techno | just apt get install libalsa? |
| 21:37.49 | techno | *apt-get |
| 21:37.53 | CryptoQuick | It's an audio library. What exactly are you trying to run? |
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| 21:37.56 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 21:38.00 | xLobeznox | someone using gnome? |
| 21:38.05 | Neo0019 | I need help installing ISO WHAX on a macintosh G5. |
| 21:38.05 | techno | i need to run xmms |
| 21:38.14 | CryptoQuick | I believei it's called alsa-lib, techno. |
| 21:38.14 | techno | and xmms says "yar, no audio device" |
| 21:38.35 | CryptoQuick | I use something called Beep Media Player. It runs winamp skins. |
| 21:38.52 | CryptoQuick | (I'm listening to Digitally Imported right now) |
| 21:39.12 | techno | yay for di.fm |
| 21:39.25 | CryptoQuick | Totally. Their hardcore channel is delight. |
| 21:39.29 | techno | yes |
| 21:39.31 | techno | it is |
| 21:39.41 | techno | i listen to it all the time |
| 21:39.45 | techno | i would now but... |
| 21:39.55 | techno | alsa is 40% done downloading |
| 21:39.56 | Bor_Ed | http://194.126.124.99:1337 some hardcore to stream... |
| 21:41.21 | CryptoQuick | Remember, y'all, when messing with the keyboard layout, do not screw up the function of the shift key. It *will* mess with your head. |
| 21:41.42 | techno | that is why i dont mess with the keymap |
| 21:41.44 | Neo0019 | Need help whit ISO Whax? |
| 21:42.23 | CryptoQuick | XLobeznox, do you need help with gnome? |
| 21:43.13 | xLobeznox | CryptoQuick, if I install hotplug, gnome-volume-manager will be uninstalled in debian sid |
| 21:44.27 | CryptoQuick | Is that a problem? |
| 21:44.39 | xLobeznox | :? |
| 21:44.49 | CryptoQuick | Go for it. :P |
| 21:45.03 | xLobeznox | is a problem, of course |
| 21:45.09 | xLobeznox | i need both |
| 21:45.23 | techno | cryptoquick, i "apt-get install alsa*" and no device is detected, should i reboot and see what happens? |
| 21:45.35 | Curalton | hotplug is deprecated, udev is used instead |
| 21:45.37 | xLobeznox | same problem here techno , but alsa works |
| 21:45.42 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 21:45.56 | xLobeznox | but 2.6.14 doesn't work here |
| 21:46.57 | CryptoQuick | I'm looking into it, techno. |
| 21:47.40 | CryptoQuick | It worked right out of the box, you don't need to reboot unless it's a kernel upgrade. |
| 21:48.19 | techno | so what exactly should i apt-get |
| 21:48.27 | techno | alsa* doesn't work |
| 21:49.30 | CryptoQuick | Try apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 21:49.47 | techno | already have that |
| 21:49.54 | CryptoQuick | alsa-base? |
| 21:50.38 | techno | already have that |
| 21:50.41 | techno | let me try again |
| 21:50.57 | CryptoQuick | Hrm... You could try logging out and then back in... |
| 21:51.19 | CryptoQuick | How about libasound2? |
| 21:52.10 | techno | already have that and xmms still gives me "yar no audio device |
| 21:52.28 | CryptoQuick | Did you configure it to use ALSA within the application? |
| 21:52.34 | techno | hmm |
| 21:52.49 | CryptoQuick | I had to do that with BMP to get it to work. |
| 21:54.01 | techno | i told xmms to use the alsa plugin and it still wont work |
| 21:54.29 | CryptoQuick | Hrm. I've got a mini, so I'll download xmms and see what needs to be done, eh? |
| 21:54.37 | techno | k |
| 21:55.30 | pahartik | techno: is "snd_powermac" module loaded? |
| 21:56.07 | techno | i assume i type "modprobe snd_powermac" |
| 21:56.41 | techno | i did that and still no luck |
| 21:59.51 | Madkiss | hi all. The attempt to install Sarge on a current pBook just failed horribly; which installation set is known to work? |
| 22:00.26 | johill | Madkiss: none |
| 22:00.36 | pahartik | techno: does "/proc/asound/cards" tell anything? |
| 22:00.37 | Madkiss | hm? |
| 22:00.39 | johill | Madkiss: the kernel cannot work, you need the very latest -rc kernel |
| 22:00.48 | johill | 2.6.15-rc2 or higher |
| 22:00.52 | Madkiss | err, I am not talking of the touchpad. |
| 22:00.54 | johill | (we're at rc5 right now) |
| 22:01.10 | johill | Madkiss: yeah, the kernel can't boot the new powerbooks afaik |
| 22:01.49 | Madkiss | great god ... |
| 22:01.58 | johill | or how does it fail? |
| 22:02.08 | Madkiss | it just tells me that it did not fail a CD-drive. |
| 22:02.13 | johill | oh |
| 22:02.17 | Madkiss | Although there obviously is one. It did not recognize a hard disk, either. |
| 22:02.19 | johill | then you get further than I'd have expected |
| 22:02.22 | johill | ah yeah |
| 22:02.41 | johill | there's a recent gentoo cd that includes a good kernel. but you can't really install debian from it ;) |
| 22:03.29 | CryptoQuick | techno: I can't seem to get xmms to work, but bmp works. |
| 22:03.51 | CryptoQuick | I'm going to have to figure this sound issue out, because several other things don't work as well. |
| 22:04.05 | CryptoQuick | Any kind of volume control, for example. |
| 22:04.08 | Madkiss | how do I burn iso-files with Mac OS? |
| 22:04.15 | CryptoQuick | Disk Utility. |
| 22:04.38 | pahartik | Madkiss: "cdrecord" works on MacOS X... |
| 22:04.40 | CryptoQuick | Just click Burn and load an ISO. |
| 22:05.12 | CryptoQuick | But GUIs are GUIck and easy! |
| 22:05.19 | Madkiss | CryptoQuick: cool, thanks |
| 22:06.36 | techno | cryptoquick i have bmp, but asound says i have no sound cards |
| 22:07.16 | pahartik | techno: try newer kernel then? |
| 22:10.44 | CryptoQuick | Yes, it would seem that 2.6.14 would make it work. |
| 22:10.48 | pahartik | CryptoQuick: unlike "Disk Utility", "cdrecord" is open source and also works on "GNU/Linux" |
| 22:11.11 | CryptoQuick | Thanks for the tip. |
| 22:11.43 | pahartik | CryptoQuick: you are welcome |
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| 22:11.47 | CryptoQuick | I don't think Roxio Toast 7 is quite worth as much as they make it out to be, eh? |
| 22:13.30 | pahartik | CryptoQuick: i bought "Toast" application for my brother... i do not remember if it was version 6 or 7, about 8 months ago |
| 22:14.09 | CryptoQuick | Eight? That would be March. I think Toast 7 came out around the middle of the year. |
| 22:14.51 | melthon | crpytoquick : could you send me the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" ? |
| 22:15.34 | CryptoQuick | It just displays stuff about PMac Toonie - PowerMac Toonie. |
| 22:15.46 | CryptoQuick | Not much there. Wouldn't be worth the trouble of getting it to ya. |
| 22:16.06 | melthon | that may be the reason why i am getting the errors |
| 22:16.20 | melthon | because debian does not think my sound card EXISTS |
| 22:16.42 | CryptoQuick | Oh, dear. What kernel you running? |
| 22:16.56 | melthon | 2.6.8 |
| 22:17.14 | melthon | should i upgrade |
| 22:17.15 | melthon | ? |
| 22:17.17 | CryptoQuick | I'm running 2.6.12-1; that's probably your problem. |
| 22:17.23 | melthon | k |
| 22:17.28 | johill | haha. I'm running 2.6.15-rc5 |
| 22:17.30 | johill | ;) |
| 22:17.36 | pahartik | melthon: this on iBook G4: "http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/proc-asound-cards-kiara" |
| 22:17.44 | johill | but there definitely were problems with alsa stuff |
| 22:18.41 | CryptoQuick | Johil, do you think the 2.6.15-rc5 will fix my problem with volume control? |
| 22:18.44 | pahartik | melthon: that kernel is probably older than device you run it on... |
| 22:19.04 | CryptoQuick | OOH he just dissed you... |
| 22:26.21 | johill | CryptoQuick: don't know |
| 22:26.53 | CryptoQuick | I doubted you would. Okay, is there a way to apt-get a sid kernel? :) |
| 22:27.23 | pahartik | CryptoQuick: yes |
| 22:27.31 | CryptoQuick | Ah.... |
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