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| 00:11.38 | CryptoQuick | Anybody having better luck with sound on their Mac mini using the new kernel? |
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| 01:55.10 | Percy | Hello all! I just tried to boot a 2.6.14.3 PPC kernel on the newest iMac G5, PowerMac12,1 -- it started with about 5 lines kernel messages and crashed/fall back to OF. Anyone had success on such an new iMac? |
| 01:57.44 | SimonRaven | ask on debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org |
| 01:59.38 | Percy | OK, will do that -- thx. |
| 01:59.57 | SimonRaven | np |
| 02:04.37 | pahartik | Percy: since you have iMac G5, did you try POWER4 kernel instead? |
| 02:08.14 | pahartik | Percy: PowerPC 970 (used in Apple PowerMacintosh G5 models) is closer to POWER4 than PowerPC 7400 (used in Apple PowerMacintosh G4 models)... |
| 02:08.36 | Percy | I tried the 2.6.14.3 "Yellow-Dog 4.0 Kernel", pre-build binary from ppckernel.org / specialized. I tried to compile/build it myself, but compilation failed: missing "smu.h" and following errors. A POWER4, what is that. .. OK. |
| 02:09.37 | Percy | Shall I try to compile a POWER4 version without this buggy SMU then? |
| 02:11.29 | pahartik | Percy: why do you try to boot binary kernel of some other distribution on Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 02:13.00 | pahartik | Percy: use kernel provided by Debian or configure and build your own kernel? |
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| 02:14.43 | Percy | The latest Debian Net-iso CD failed booting in the same way... then I was experimenting with some kernels and tried to build the most recent one and wanted to boot it via yaboot and OF manually -- just test kernels -- to do a Net-install later... |
| 02:16.13 | Percy | I need to find one kernel variant to get that thing started... and launch a debian net install |
| 02:17.24 | pahartik | Percy: does that installed prompt one to choose kernel before booting one? |
| 02:18.09 | Percy | Yes, I tried both options, ppc and ppc64 -- both failing |
| 02:20.26 | Percy | Not sure which kernel version it was, was somewhat old, that's why I started compiling and searching for ppc kernel binaries. All I found was on ppckernel.org |
| 02:22.58 | pahartik | Percy: oh, hmmm... |
| 02:24.42 | Percy | I just stated a new compile -- have not tried without "smu", hopefully this compiles. Set Processortype to POWER4/G5 and enabled "THERMAL" (Windfarm), everything else default. |
| 02:38.06 | pahartik | Percy: maybe you will have to wait for Linux 2.6.15... if it is really recent hardware |
| 02:40.53 | Percy | Yeaaa, hope this will work. -- At times I hate that OSX, even with X11&Fink :( I tried patch to 2.6.15xxx, but was missing some patches to go there from 2.6.14. I'll better wait and see what the kernel experts are doing. Thx. |
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| 02:48.00 | TBBle | I'm having a weird-ass problem on my PowerBook G4, every so often it'll decide to stick/repeat a key for a second or two... I stopped pbbuttonsd, and it still happened... I don't suppose anyone's seen this? Debian/unstable, 2.6.14 kernel. |
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| 03:04.59 | pahartik | TBBle: i have noticed that with all systems with ADB... |
| 03:06.14 | pahartik | TBBle: but it does not happen too often |
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| 03:13.27 | TBBle | I've had it happen several times today. Generally it only catches me when I hit 'new terminal' at which point my system tries to create a hundrend billion xterms and grinds to a halt until I killall bash; killall xterm from a console. |
| 03:13.46 | TBBle | Sometimes it's ctrl-tab in mozilla, or ctrl-t. |
| 03:14.36 | TBBle | Once it's happening, I can sometimes get just letters or enter or backspace repeating in the console, so I don't think it's X. |
| 03:15.02 | pahartik | TBBle: i notice it about once per few weeks... |
| 03:17.53 | pahartik | TBBle: and usually not with highly annoying results, usually just getting some character repeated until i press another key... i do not remember waiting to see if it stops by itself |
| 03:21.33 | TBBle | When it happens to me, system load goes so high, I have to wait, so I can see what I've just typed. |
| 03:21.37 | TBBle | So, adb, eh? |
| 03:21.42 | TBBle | Hmm. |
| 03:22.38 | Percy | TBBle: i also saw this happening at times, depend how much I'm typing. happens every where, from console to xemacs. Almost any key. Most annoying was once F1 openeing toons of help windows:( And it is present on my very old TiG4/400 Power Book still with 2.4.23-pre5-ben0 (just writing on) and on my office G4 PowerBook 1.666GHz G4 with 2.6.12 in the same way. No clue. It's not as bad for me also. |
| 03:23.59 | Percy | I have no Bluetooth toys and no clue about it :) |
| 03:24.11 | pahartik | TBBle: if that repeat causes kernel to fork() new processes as fast as possible, i can understand delay... |
| 03:26.26 | TBBle | Yeah. It fills the WM's message buffer with "create new term" and then my system starts to cry as it processes the commands. |
| 03:26.32 | pahartik | Percy: my iBook G4 is about to be opened soon, so i would like to know if replacing built-in Bluetooth 1.1 would make sense... harddisk died on yesterday |
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| 03:29.29 | pahartik | Percy: (i use Bluetooth just about every day, so "not functional yet" would not be acceptable) |
| 03:31.17 | Percy | pahartik: Sorry, I cannot tell. How to check it? I hace a 2.6.12 on the G4 Al 15" PowerBook, it has Bluetooth but I never used it. did you ever tried to compile a original kernel from kernel.org for PPC? It compiles for some time (until now) and bang -- error in via-pmu.c :( Anyone knows why these PPC kernels from stable not compiling sane -- it is really annoying??? |
| 03:32.32 | pahartik | Percy: i have built kernels from those sources too... |
| 03:34.22 | Percy | pahartik: is there somehwere a kernel config which is known to compile a kernel for POWER4 OK? |
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| 03:36.52 | pahartik | Percy: you are trying to build Linux 2.6.14.3 for POWER4 on PowerBook G4? |
| 03:37.37 | pahartik | Percy: i have never tried Linux on POWER4... |
| 03:37.58 | Percy | Yes, the fastest running PPC with Linux I have. Is this a problem? The G5 is Darwin only until now:( |
| 03:38.24 | pahartik | Percy: it should not be problem... |
| 03:38.36 | Percy | Can I attenmpt top build if on Darwin/OSX ?? |
| 03:39.49 | Percy | The errors are looking trivial, the frist one a missing header ?!??! The second error "undefined symbol" in via-pmu.c ... |
| 03:42.52 | pahartik | Percy: i could try your ".config" on my iBook G4 but since it is out... :) |
| 03:47.32 | Percy | pahartik: It is the default, only set CPU to POWER4 and enabled "Thermal". Original source of 2.6.14.3.tar.bz2 from kernel.org! |
| 04:07.43 | Percy | -- Linux charon 2.4.23-pre5-ben0 going to sleep soon -- |
| 04:36.51 | SimonRaven | wtf is he building a power4 kernel when he has a pb g4? |
| 04:37.17 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 04:39.55 | dj-death | hmmm |
| 04:40.15 | dj-death | powerprefs juste fucked up my pbbuttonsd config |
| 04:40.32 | dj-death | this tool just sucks |
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| 04:53.45 | pahartik | SimonRaven: Percy was trying to build kernel for iMac G5 on PowerBook G4 |
| 04:55.58 | SimonRaven | ok, i see |
| 04:56.07 | SimonRaven | now it makes sense |
| 04:58.21 | pahartik | SimonRaven: latest iMac G5 probably requires some kernel patching... as Linux 2.6.14.3 failed on it |
| 04:59.26 | SimonRaven | yeh. kernel folks haven't caught up to the newest stuff yet it seems |
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| 08:50.22 | CryptoQuick | Does anybody here know of a live cd distribution for ppc? |
| 08:50.39 | Corsac | ubuntu ? |
| 08:50.48 | CryptoQuick | Hrm... |
| 08:51.47 | CryptoQuick | I guess I can try that. That PPC Knoppix CD wouldn't load. Waste of disk. |
| 08:54.40 | CryptoQuick | Now that I've tried Debian, I was wondering what Ubuntu was like. |
| 08:54.48 | CryptoQuick | Is it much better? |
| 08:56.48 | Corsac | it runs fine |
| 08:57.17 | CryptoQuick | Heh... Okay. Well, I'll go to sleep while it's downloading. Hopefully I can fix that kernel I trashed, eh? |
| 08:57.19 | Corsac | i think you've got more help from the system, it's easier, but more contraignant |
| 08:58.20 | CryptoQuick | Contra-- ign'ant? |
| 08:58.43 | SimonRaven | contraignant in english is 'restrictive', 'narrow' |
| 08:59.03 | CryptoQuick | Wow. Something my dictionary doesn't have, actually. |
| 08:59.40 | CryptoQuick | Well, I'm out. 'night y'all. |
| 09:00.10 | Corsac | SimonRaven: thank you :) |
| 09:00.56 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 11:02.18 | pahartik | Corsac: iBook G4 is waiting for replacement harddisk at store... covered by warranty |
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| 11:33.01 | Corsac | re |
| 11:33.06 | Corsac | pahartik: ok |
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| 15:57.16 | pahartik | Corsac: when talking with repair technician person at store, i was told that built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR is different on latest iBook G4 models than Bluetooth 1.1 on earlier models |
| 16:01.28 | pahartik | Corsac: Bluetooth 2.0+EDR is on same module with Airport Extreme adapter now, and it is located deeper inside iBook G4... not right under keyboard anymore and physically incompatible with earlier Airport Extreme adapter that is still sold separately |
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| 20:23.45 | folken | greetings: My 12" Powerbook crashes upon switching from X11 to console on a terminal not connected by a getty. E.g. vt8.. it however works fine when switching to e.g. vt1-6. Ideas anyone? |
| 20:25.26 | folken | i tried the shadowfb option in XF86Config, i used nvidiafb instead of rivafb, switched off/on support for openfirmware.. all to no avail |
| 20:26.16 | folken | the screen is completley garbled almost looks like a low res raster format screen. |
| 20:26.31 | folken | the colors are wierd too. ;) |
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