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| 00:30.36 | Patrick` | why is the latest kernel in debian testing so old! |
| 00:30.40 | Patrick` | (for ppc) |
| 00:30.55 | dondelelcaro | Patrick`: it's linux-image-... |
| 00:31.19 | Patrick` | still onl 2.4.27 |
| 00:31.53 | Patrick` | there's like, what, 2.4.32 out now? |
| 00:32.06 | Corsac | 2.4 is not supported anymore on ppc, irrc |
| 00:32.19 | Patrick` | when MARCH is in /proc/version, I'm starting to worry |
| 00:32.22 | Patrick` | oh, how nice of them |
| 00:32.59 | dondelelcaro | supporting multiple versions of the kernel is kind of a waste of resources, especially when the later kernels are needed for most modern hardware |
| 00:33.12 | Patrick` | and what happens to people that have hardware that's old? |
| 00:33.13 | dondelelcaro | (although, stable will continue to get security fixes for 2.4.28) |
| 00:33.21 | dondelelcaro | old hardware can run 2.6 just fine |
| 00:33.34 | dondelelcaro | (if it can't, file bugs.) |
| 00:33.36 | Patrick` | not when it has wanky non-free hardware with wanky non-free drivers |
| 00:33.54 | dondelelcaro | like what? |
| 00:34.35 | Patrick` | I'm not here to argue details or be chastised for making poor purchasing decisions |
| 00:34.59 | Patrick` | anyway, the latest 2.6 is out of date as well |
| 00:35.08 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; I can't give you alternatives if you don't want to discuss the details. |
| 00:35.37 | Patrick` | alternative kernels or alternative hardware that you'd be prepared to front the postage for a straight swap for? |
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| 00:35.52 | dondelelcaro | well, you'll never know now. |
| 00:36.07 | Patrick` | 'cause if I have a choice between hurd or spending money, you know what way up the toast is gonna land ;) |
| 00:36.19 | bedouin | Any idea why a machine would occasionally kernel panic on startup, when it never did in the past, but be fine once booted? This started to happen every once in a while after a power failure. |
| 00:36.24 | dondelelcaro | anyway, unstable has 2.6.14-2, it should have migrated to testing by now. |
| 00:36.38 | dondelelcaro | if you really care about it, roll your own. make-kpkg exists. |
| 00:36.38 | bedouin | It's an iMac Dv |
| 00:37.23 | dondelelcaro | which piece of hardware on it? |
| 00:38.56 | Corsac | 2.6.14-5 has been built successfully on powerpc |
| 00:39.04 | bedouin | how would I know? |
| 00:39.23 | Patrick` | "should have" |
| 00:39.53 | Patrick` | there's only packages for pwc modules that I can find |
| 00:40.29 | Patrick` | ok, which metapackage will magically make a 2.6 kernel work without filling my / with symlinks which don't even work ? |
| 00:41.30 | Patrick` | obviously I could manually install it but then what's the point, I may as well make a dogs breakfast of the compile myself |
| 00:42.24 | Patrick` | oh, I remember what it was |
| 00:42.35 | Patrick` | quik doesn't support initrd, so I can't use the 2.6 packages |
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| 01:06.53 | Patrick` | ok, maaaybe the reason 2.6.12 never worked before was my own incompetence, but that doesn't mean I was necesarily wrong, just differently correct |
| 01:07.03 | Patrick` | and I still think initrd is overkill. |
| 01:07.05 | Patrick` | but, thanks |
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| 01:08.04 | Corsac | (...) |
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| 07:34.07 | Flimzy | What driver do I need to use for a touchpad on a powerbook g4? |
| 07:37.02 | SimonRaven | pbbuttonsd, or other similar stuff |
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| 07:53.31 | Flimzy | When I try to boot from the 2.6.14.3 kernel I built, it complains that it can't load a ramdisk... Is that necessary to boot debian on a PPC? |
| 07:54.01 | SimonRaven | if it's built with an initrd in mind, yes |
| 07:54.09 | SimonRaven | doesn't matter what arch |
| 07:54.38 | Flimzy | Hrm |
| 07:54.42 | Flimzy | I didn't have an initrd in mind |
| 07:55.25 | Flimzy | So it looks like I do have initrd support in the kernel.. if that support is present, does it automatically try to use it to boot? |
| 07:55.30 | SimonRaven | then you need to re-do it, 'cause it's looking for one it seems. did you just cp in the config from a debian kernel perchance? |
| 07:56.00 | Flimzy | no |
| 07:56.13 | Flimzy | I built the .config from scratch... but apparantly overlooked an option or tw |
| 07:56.13 | Flimzy | o |
| 07:56.14 | Flimzy | heh |
| 07:58.25 | SimonRaven | yeh :) |
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| 08:32.28 | Flimzy | Okay, so my new kernel does not include initrd support... yet it still complains it can't find the initrd when booting |
| 08:32.37 | Flimzy | so is my boot loader misconfigured? |
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| 08:37.28 | Flimzy | perhaps I'll just figure out how the heck to make initrd work |
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| 10:16.34 | Corsac | 2.6.14.4 out |
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| 12:22.13 | hexxeh|work | to what extent is debian ppc64 'production ready' - installation, security support, etc? |
| 13:17.58 | dj-death | hexxeh|work: http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/READ_ME |
| 13:19.01 | hexxeh|work | dj-death, so zero progress on the TODO list in 10 months? |
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| 13:22.09 | dj-death | hexxeh|work: read the mailling list archive |
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| 16:58.57 | Corsac | hmh, what is xmon ? |
| 16:59.07 | SimonRaven | debugging tool |
| 16:59.10 | Corsac | i can't find it in 2.6.15-rc5 kernel |
| 16:59.11 | Corsac | ok |
| 16:59.26 | SimonRaven | it's in the debug section of the kernel config |
| 17:00.06 | SimonRaven | # CONFIG_XMON is not set |
| 17:00.15 | SimonRaven | right under # Kernel hacking |
| 17:00.35 | Corsac | corsac@hidalgo: zgrep -c XMON /proc/config.gz [~] |
| 17:00.38 | Corsac | 0 |
| 17:00.41 | Corsac | :) |
| 17:01.00 | Corsac | (but kernel debugging is unchecked) |
| 17:01.02 | SimonRaven | it's useful. you don't have to turn it on |
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| 21:37.21 | itom | hi all |
| 21:37.57 | itom | how suggest me to partitioning the hd (80GB) for installing both linux and macOSx? |
| 21:38.41 | itom | sda1 60GB macosx ; sda2 20GB linux ; is correct? |
| 21:38.43 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 21:38.44 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 21:39.01 | itom | ok I read it |
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| 21:41.15 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: fix the trigger... woody is more or less obsolete and etch might have an installer already |
| 21:42.09 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 21:42.15 | itom | I have a new powerbook 15' g4 1,67mhz |
| 21:42.25 | Q-FUNK | it does, though it's still a snapshot, IIRC |
| 21:42.39 | Bor_Ed | still for some brave persons :) |
| 21:43.15 | Bor_Ed | I'm just a chicken and install usually with stable/testing installer and dist-upgrade after basesystem gets in successfully :P |
| 21:43.57 | Q-FUNK | du är en kyckling :-P |
| 21:44.16 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: doesn't need fixing :P |
| 21:44.17 | Bor_Ed | nej... jag är fullt :D |
| 21:44.27 | Q-FUNK | :-P |
| 21:44.31 | Bor_Ed | SimonRaven: well ~ |
| 21:44.36 | SimonRaven | sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual # emphasis on stable |
| 21:44.41 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 21:44.47 | Q-FUNK | SimonRaven: do we still need the Woody bit, though? |
| 21:44.55 | Bor_Ed | though I don't think woody is on too many new installs |
| 21:45.06 | Bor_Ed | or if you think so, include potato as well :) |
| 21:45.12 | SimonRaven | until it's no longer supported, i was thinking |
| 21:45.26 | Bor_Ed | ookay then, you've got a point there |
| 21:45.32 | Q-FUNK | hm. true |
| 21:46.06 | Bor_Ed | sowwy :) |
| 21:46.17 | SimonRaven | 's'ok :) |
| 21:46.37 | Q-FUNK | mis sa Bor Bor Ed |
| 21:46.54 | Bor_Ed | eh? |
| 21:46.56 | SimonRaven | now i get to go over there and ground you to your room for a week :P |
| 21:47.11 | Q-FUNK | you sounded like jar-jar there for a second |
| 21:47.21 | Bor_Ed | Q-FUNK: ahh |
| 21:47.32 | SimonRaven | hahah |
| 21:47.38 | Bor_Ed | buggrs |
| 21:48.14 | SimonRaven | Q-FUNK: update your rss feeds *hint* ;) |
| 21:48.23 | Q-FUNK | oh |
| 21:48.45 | SimonRaven | *grin* |
| 21:48.50 | Bor_Ed | hey, a good non-kde/gnome bloat rss feeder needed... either console or X will do |
| 21:49.35 | SimonRaven | liferea is popular |
| 21:50.03 | SimonRaven | bin/view/Blog/WebHome |
| 21:50.08 | SimonRaven | WebRss |
| 21:50.22 | Bor_Ed | hmmm, gnome based but I think I have most of the deps here |
| 21:50.48 | SimonRaven | snownews, and couple others |
| 21:50.58 | Bor_Ed | only 11 new packages with liferea |
| 21:51.26 | SimonRaven | /dev/hda5 3.5G 2.7G 758M 79% /usr :| |
| 21:51.46 | Bor_Ed | /dev/hdb4 3,0G 1,5G 1,4G 53% /usr |
| 21:51.55 | Bor_Ed | I cleaned a bit a while back :) |
| 21:52.06 | SimonRaven | my my |
| 21:52.08 | Q-FUNK | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.14 | SimonRaven | eek |
| 21:52.29 | Bor_Ed | 5.7G / awww |
| 21:52.38 | Bor_Ed | that can't be right |
| 21:53.02 | Q-FUNK | 6gb minus space reserved for the superblock copies and for the journal. |
| 21:53.32 | Bor_Ed | you can drop the superblock thingy as well as space reserved for journal on tune2fs |
| 21:53.55 | Q-FUNK | or well, can reduce it, but then no longer have the safety of the journal |
| 21:54.16 | Bor_Ed | safety, wassat? :D |
| 21:54.30 | itom | thanks, bye |
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| 21:54.34 | Bor_Ed | whoopee, liferea puked on postinstall |
| 21:54.59 | Q-FUNK | http://www.livejournal.com/users/antonm/185069.html |
| 21:57.37 | Bor_Ed | got the liferea up... though it looks and works like moz-mailnews :o |
| 21:57.57 | Bor_Ed | I was kinda hoping for a bit too much prolly |
| 21:58.16 | SimonRaven | @srs bin/view/Blog/WebRss |
| 21:58.17 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Blog/WebRss |
| 21:58.38 | SimonRaven | Q-FUNK: *ahem* ^^ |
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| 22:03.07 | SimonRaven | Bor_Ed: there'a moz plugin for it |
| 22:03.30 | Bor_Ed | you wouldn't happen to have addy or is it included? |
| 22:04.05 | SimonRaven | liferea-mozilla or something |
| 22:04.11 | SimonRaven | apt-get... :) |
| 22:04.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, lessee after dist-upgrade finishes |
| 22:05.05 | Bor_Ed | bleh :) |
| 22:10.39 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8380902400.html decent for an x86 |
| 22:11.11 | SimonRaven | 'decent' and 'x86' in one sentence |
| 22:11.16 | SimonRaven | *blink* |
| 22:11.38 | Bor_Ed | just load the page... stunned me too, especially on the power(wattage) ratio |
| 22:13.19 | Q-FUNK | looks like the thincan's motherboard |
| 22:13.26 | SimonRaven | yeh. under 12 W? wtf |
| 22:13.43 | Bor_Ed | 12W for x86 is WTF |
| 22:13.55 | Bor_Ed | toldya :) |
| 22:14.07 | SimonRaven | maybe they're not couting the cpu :P |
| 22:14.17 | Bor_Ed | it almost challenges arm and ppc on the 300MHz range |
| 22:14.27 | Bor_Ed | arm goes to .9W and ppc ~2W |
| 22:15.44 | Bor_Ed | still, a good deal on a wintel cpu... it might get embeddable eventually |
| 22:16.37 | SimonRaven | nap time. tired.... storm getting closer |
| 22:17.10 | SimonRaven | expecting a blizzard - 20-25 cm |
| 22:17.16 | Bor_Ed | real0m0.000s |
| 22:17.16 | Bor_Ed | user0m0.000s |
| 22:17.16 | Bor_Ed | sys0m0.000s |
| 22:17.22 | Bor_Ed | grmbl |
| 22:17.26 | Bor_Ed | Fri Dec 16 00:16:49 EET 2005 |
| 22:17.27 | SimonRaven | for? |
| 22:17.39 | Bor_Ed | and job lunch at 11 in the morning |
| 22:17.44 | SimonRaven | midnight :). eek |
| 22:17.48 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 22:17.59 | SimonRaven | jeu déc 15 17:17:59 EST 2005 |
| 22:19.00 | Bor_Ed | we're running good way towards weekend here... though only work thingy tomorrow is that lunch... and that's chicken in red wine sauce and some yadayada with it |
| 22:20.50 | SimonRaven | see ya later folks |
| 22:20.58 | Bor_Ed | later |
| 22:21.02 | Bor_Ed | have a good one |
| 22:21.07 | SimonRaven | you too :) |
| 22:21.18 | Bor_Ed | always :) |
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| 22:51.04 | paulproteus|lapt | Hey johill. I'm the guy whose Airport Extreme never works who might have to much RAM. |
| 22:51.17 | johill | hey |
| 22:51.44 | paulproteus|lapt | FWIW, mem= doesn't apply on PPC, only i386. |
| 22:51.45 | johill | any news on that? |
| 22:51.56 | paulproteus|lapt | So I couldn't test with less RAM without ripping the 1GB DIMM out. |
| 22:52.05 | johill | eh. are you sure? (if so, that might explain the stupidity I had with testing suspend. omg) |
| 22:52.18 | johill | ok I'll trust you ;) [so yeah, I was stupid when testing suspend2] |
| 22:52.33 | paulproteus|lapt | johill: Yup. :) |
| 22:53.02 | johill | hmm. can you hack the driver so it prints out the dma addresses? |
| 22:54.14 | Corsac | mhhm, softmac hasn't changed in days, has it ? |
| 22:54.59 | johill | Corsac: I commited a bunch of things yesterday I think |
| 22:55.15 | johill | committed, even |
| 22:55.17 | Corsac | hg update doesnt do anything |
| 22:55.24 | johill | hg pull first? |
| 22:55.36 | Corsac | ho. |
| 22:55.44 | johill | (yeah, using hg was just a test, I don't like it's user and web interfaces either) |
| 22:55.50 | johill | so I'll probably move away from it |
| 22:56.00 | Corsac | (btw, is 2.6.14.4 good for ae ?) |
| 22:56.33 | Corsac | i'm on 2.6.15-rc5 and i don't have suspend to ram anymore :/ |
| 22:56.37 | Corsac | added 38 changesets with 65 changes to 10 files |
| 22:56.41 | Corsac | eheh |
| 22:56.56 | johill | no way to use anything < 2.6.15-rc1 afaik |
| 22:57.12 | Corsac | 2.6.14.4 is more recent than 2.6.15-rc5, that's why |
| 22:57.23 | Corsac | but i don't know what's the code state |
| 22:57.37 | johill | but it contains only fixes from 2.6.`4 |
| 22:57.39 | johill | 14 |
| 22:57.47 | Corsac | ok |
| 22:57.56 | johill | and 15-rcX is where all the interesting stuff is happening (and yeah, we need it) |
| 22:59.05 | Corsac | i have a question about wifi and power saving |
| 22:59.16 | Corsac | if no module is loaded, do the card use power ? |
| 22:59.21 | Corsac | does |
| 23:00.22 | johill | no |
| 23:00.31 | johill | it should be turned off then |
| 23:03.44 | Corsac | Dec 16 00:02:27 localhost kernel: Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 [#1] |
| 23:03.47 | Corsac | :/ |
| 23:03.59 | Corsac | (iwconfig eth1 essid...) |
| 23:04.15 | paulproteus|lapt | Corsac: :) |
| 23:04.33 | johill | bugger |
| 23:04.36 | Corsac | paulproteus|lapt: ? |
| 23:04.43 | paulproteus|lapt | oopses are funny. :) |
| 23:04.48 | johill | what's the backtrace? |
| 23:04.49 | Corsac | johill: last softmact/bcm43xx rev :) |
| 23:05.36 | Corsac | i don't understand why i'm still alive, btw |
| 23:06.25 | Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/3239 |
| 23:07.17 | johill | it was just in process context |
| 23:08.00 | Corsac | but syslog isn't running anymore, it seem |
| 23:08.06 | johill | huh |
| 23:08.36 | johill | hm. I really don't see why it should crash there |
| 23:08.58 | Corsac | maybe it's just bad luck |
| 23:10.15 | johill | hmm |
| 23:12.36 | Corsac | i'll reboot for now. |
| 23:12.36 | Corsac | brb |
| 23:12.58 | johill | it worked for me... hmm |
| 23:15.37 | johill | really. how can you crash when adding a net? that sounds weird |
| 23:19.49 | Corsac | it crashed when trying to associate, i assume ? |
| 23:20.20 | johill | something like that. it looks like it found your network and tried adding it to softmac's list but then crashed |
| 23:20.23 | johill | I cannot really explain why |
| 23:20.45 | Corsac | again... |
| 23:21.00 | Corsac | corsac@hidalgo: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid droledequartier channel 3 rate 11M |
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| 23:35.49 | johill | Corsac: I don't really know right now what's causing that. if you can figure it out, great, if not hope it bites me at some point and I fix it ;) |
| 23:35.54 | johill | right now, I better get some sleep |
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| 23:38.14 | Corsac | :) |
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