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| 00:01.34 | TTimo | I'm start to wonder when the official kernels for ppc will actually boot.. |
| 00:01.44 | johill | on what? |
| 00:01.56 | TTimo | ibook G4 |
| 00:01.59 | TTimo | seems pretty standard |
| 00:02.18 | TTimo | ever since the yaird thing, haven't been able to get a single official kernel to boot fully |
| 00:02.32 | TTimo | and haven't been able to compile one working either |
| 00:02.45 | TTimo | still using an older one from before this whole thing went bang |
| 00:02.46 | johill | hm. I've been compiling own kernels for my powerbook and they've always worked |
| 00:03.01 | TTimo | you use initrd or not at all |
| 00:03.07 | johill | initramfs |
| 00:03.31 | TTimo | yeah. and file recognizes the images you produce ? |
| 00:03.38 | TTimo | here they are completely borked |
| 00:03.51 | TTimo | I tried with the older mkvmlinuz, and the yaird thing, no difference |
| 00:06.08 | TTimo | are there some kernel configs optimized for iBook G4s around btw |
| 00:06.23 | TTimo | i.e. not carrying all the modules I'm never gonna use |
| 00:07.43 | johill | images? yaboot boots the plain elf kernel |
| 00:08.05 | johill | $ file /boot/vmlinux-2.6.15-rc6-susp |
| 00:08.05 | johill | /boot/vmlinux-2.6.15-rc6-susp: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped |
| 00:10.19 | TTimo | yeah I was asking about the initrd image |
| 00:11.50 | johill | I don't use one |
| 00:13.01 | TTimo | you said initramfs though? |
| 00:13.04 | TTimo | got me confused there |
| 00:14.32 | johill | yes, I use initramfs |
| 00:18.54 | TTimo | ok there's probably a difference there that I don't understand |
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| 00:28.17 | TTimo | looks like it's just a newer name for initrd |
| 00:28.42 | johill | no, it's different |
| 00:28.52 | johill | for one, it is compiled into the kernel most times |
| 00:29.21 | TTimo | do you use make-kpkg ? |
| 00:29.30 | johill | yes |
| 00:29.36 | TTimo | and you don't pass --initrd ? |
| 00:29.41 | johill | right |
| 00:29.54 | johill | I just compile in everything I need so I have no use for an initrd |
| 00:32.27 | TTimo | oh, it's the initrd image merged into the kernel image file sort of |
| 00:33.32 | johill | it's not an initrd image, the initramfs is just a cpio archivev |
| 00:33.39 | johill | it can also be loaded via the initrd mechanism |
| 00:33.44 | johill | sorta complicated if you do all of that ;) |
| 00:35.23 | TTimo | Ic |
| 00:35.46 | johill | but unless you need to load modules or use root on nfs or something weird, just don't use either of the two |
| 00:36.31 | TTimo | well I'm gonna compile a new one and see what happens |
| 00:36.44 | TTimo | are the official kernels based on initrd, or initramfs nowadays |
| 00:36.46 | TTimo | ? |
| 00:37.16 | TTimo | cause my yaboot points to an initrd for them, so I'm assuming they are initrd still |
| 00:37.39 | TTimo | (they invariably fail boot with an 'unknown block device' error) |
| 00:54.56 | TTimo | didn't even compile this time :) |
| 00:55.18 | TTimo | undefined reference to `pmac_tweak_clock_spreading |
| 00:56.53 | TTimo | via-pmu.c .. mh, looks like one I need though |
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| 01:01.32 | TTimo | is in #ifndef CONFIG_POWER4 |
| 01:01.56 | TTimo | since I set processor type to G4, that symbol is indeed missing |
| 01:03.32 | TTimo | sounds like this should be a stub on G4 then |
| 01:04.36 | johill_ | must've missed something, what are you talking about now? |
| 01:06.55 | TTimo | current kernel source didn't compile. unresolved |
| 01:07.36 | johill | define 'current' |
| 01:08.09 | TTimo | unstable linux-source package |
| 01:08.20 | TTimo | 2.6.14-6 |
| 01:09.07 | johill | hm. haven't used that old a kernel for a long time ;) |
| 01:10.07 | TTimo | heh |
| 01:11.34 | TTimo | is it actually important to use the debian patched source at all |
| 01:11.48 | johill | no |
| 01:12.03 | johill | been using vanilla ever since after the install |
| 01:12.09 | TTimo | I could try with 2.6.14.4 |
| 01:12.33 | johill | why not go to 2.6.15-rc6 directly? ;) |
| 01:14.02 | TTimo | well, I mostly want a fairly reliable setup. I don't do any kernel dev so I just want to upgrade every now and then, and that's it |
| 01:14.28 | johill | well, that kernel works fine here, including suspend to ram |
| 01:15.00 | TTimo | yeh, would be good to have that working at last |
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| 01:47.55 | TTimo | I expect the same unresolved with this new source though |
| 01:48.18 | TTimo | it still won't be defined when CONFIG_POWER4 |
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| 15:42.40 | Darien | Hey all, I have a strange problem on my new (to me) iMac rev. A/B |
| 15:43.00 | Darien | I grabbed the Netinst CD images, I can boot into the installer, but after choosing my country, the installer locks up |
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| 16:35.21 | TTimo | ok I'm willing to try a few more things to get a newer kernel booting on the ibook |
| 16:35.27 | TTimo | after that I'll probably reinstall |
| 16:38.55 | TTimo | which packages control /etc/kernel-img.conf and the /etc/kernel/ tree ? |
| 16:39.12 | TTimo | I'd probably want to purge and reinstall whichever are related to those |
| 16:42.30 | Curalton | one thing i missed while helping to install debian on a g4 ibook was the chipset support, if you still have the kernelpanic |
| 16:42.39 | Curalton | or was it initrd stuff? |
| 16:45.07 | TTimo | I don't know what it is. I get a 'cannot open root device or unknown block' when trying to boot |
| 16:46.31 | Curalton | check for the chipset |
| 16:47.08 | TTimo | what do you mean |
| 16:47.15 | Curalton | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_PMAC on a g3 |
| 16:47.16 | Q-FUNK | anybody who feels like testing my multiarch netinstall CD? |
| 16:47.41 | Curalton | Q-FUNK: multi as in old/newworld or x86 and ppc? |
| 16:47.54 | Q-FUNK | amd64/i386/powerpc |
| 16:47.58 | johill | Q-FUNK: which kernel on it? |
| 16:48.09 | Q-FUNK | 2.6.8 IIRC |
| 16:48.15 | johill | too old then, sorry |
| 16:48.17 | Q-FUNK | the same as Sarge's netinstall CD |
| 16:48.31 | johill | yeah |
| 16:54.45 | TTimo | someone running one of the official kernel images from unstable willing to paste me his yaboot.conf ? |
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| 17:11.54 | TTimo | grrr |
| 17:12.08 | TTimo | ok. well, probably time to wipe it and start fresh |
| 17:12.27 | TTimo | or just stick to run only OSX on this shit |
| 17:13.33 | Curalton | heh |
| 17:14.30 | TTimo | man this is so frustrating |
| 17:15.15 | Curalton | official kernels dont boot? strange... |
| 17:15.34 | Curalton | well, i'm using custom kernels on everything |
| 17:15.40 | TTimo | well when I see the official image trying to install |
| 17:15.48 | TTimo | it runs some mkinitrd crapolata locally |
| 17:16.01 | TTimo | which appears to fail |
| 17:16.14 | TTimo | even the /etc/kernel/ stuff is broken |
| 17:16.39 | TTimo | it execs some /etc/kernel/postrm.d/mkvmlinuz shit, which just hangs |
| 17:16.52 | TTimo | 'GET mkvmlinuz/bootloaders' |
| 17:17.53 | Curalton | hmm, sid i guess. i'd really say reinstall from sarge and then put kernels and yaboot on hold |
| 17:18.49 | TTimo | not sure I want to put debian again if I reinstall this |
| 17:19.08 | Curalton | but? |
| 17:21.19 | xbaez | Merry Christmas |
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| 18:50.05 | Anthro | I'm having a problem with ieee1394. I have two essentially identical external FW disks. When I plug either of them in, scsiadd -s finds it as some scsi host (it started with scsi1, since I already have an actual scsi card at scsi0) with channel 0, id 0, lun 0. If both are plugged in, however, only one shows up. Help? |
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| 20:38.39 | Q-FUNK | svenl: must the kernel reside in the same folder as yaboot for blessing to work? |
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| 22:50.44 | dinn | Is there any key-combo for ejecting cdrom at mac-mini ? something like Ctrl+?+?+? |
| 22:51.08 | johill | doubt it, but you can bind one of course |
| 22:51.28 | dinn | i want to do it during booting |
| 22:51.35 | johill | ah |
| 22:51.46 | johill | no idea, sorry, don't have a mac mini |
| 22:51.54 | dinn | i believe there is a combo for getting me in openfirmware mode |
| 22:52.10 | dinn | it's something like Ctrl+Windows_key+?+? |
| 23:05.01 | Darien | dinn: hold down the mouse button |
| 23:06.14 | dinn | which of the 3 mouse buttons ? |
| 23:07.22 | dinn | holy sh*t it worked !! |
| 23:07.27 | dinn | thanks man |
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| 23:39.59 | Darien | heh |