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| 00:00.18 | johill | dunno then. mine always only complains about being jounaled (yeah, typo in the kernel ;) ) |
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| 00:18.06 | Corsac | svenl: do you use bluetooth ? |
| 00:22.46 | Faust | I'm going to try the testing bus install to see they've fixed the "can't copy file over/cd integrety fails" error. |
| 00:48.08 | Corsac | ok, i 'only' need to hciconfig hci0 down/up |
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| 01:28.54 | pillage | anyone have any experience with mac-fdisk? |
| 01:29.06 | pillage | I'm creating partitions but not getting a prompt to name them... |
| 01:32.05 | SimonRaven | just use c to create, and b to make the bootstrap, like the manual says (? is helpful) |
| 01:33.22 | pillage | SimonRaven: that's the problem - when I did that in my first install it asked me to name the partitions created with c |
| 01:33.26 | pillage | now it's now |
| 01:33.26 | pillage | not* |
| 01:34.43 | SimonRaven | that's weird. it's always done that TMK (being able to name them) |
| 01:34.57 | dikae | yeah, I just did it and it asked me to name them |
| 01:35.32 | pillage | bugger |
| 01:35.41 | pillage | I've absolutely no idea why |
| 01:36.26 | dikae | hm, so I'm trying to share a directory with nfs... it's a directory at which I have a partition mounted. I keep on getting errors, permission denied... any idea what it could be? |
| 01:36.48 | dikae | I know nfs is generally set up well, cause when I set it up to share /tmp/nfstest (just some random dir) it works fine. |
| 01:42.48 | pillage | aha got it |
| 01:43.02 | dikae | what was it? |
| 01:43.11 | pillage | I was typing 512MB for the partition size, and it was using the B as the partition name |
| 01:43.20 | pillage | when I put in 512M it asked me for the name |
| 01:43.35 | pillage | god I hate fdisk |
| 01:43.42 | pillage | thanks for the suggestions anyways :) |
| 01:44.04 | dikae | ah hehe |
| 03:10.26 | demon | does anyone know what the deal is with the mkvmlinuz package? it's kinda cramping my style since it's having mental problems of some sort |
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| 03:34.51 | TBBle | Hmm. I seem to be bouncing back and forth trying to try out the r300 driver... Their site refers me to DRM/DRI/X.org... I've got the 2.6.14 DRM module, just built the mesa 6.2 .deb from source (no idea why it's being autobuilt, it maybefailed in October)... Do I also need to locally build X.org 6.9 from experimental? Or am I missing something else? |
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| 03:50.26 | TBBle | Oh, and while I think of it, is anyone else suffering nasty keyboard lag/stickdown problems with mouseemu? |
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| 04:30.35 | jpablo | hi people, I have an powerbook and I am trying to use the appletouch pad with the synaptic driver |
| 04:30.35 | jpablo | i just keep getting (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device |
| 04:30.55 | jpablo | im using the synaptic currently in debian unstable (0.14.4-1) |
| 04:31.12 | jpablo | i copied exactly the configuration from the appletouch page, any ideas what might be wrong? |
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| 04:54.35 | jpablo_ | crap, looks like i need psmouse |
| 05:12.45 | jpablo_ | no i don't, grr |
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| 08:23.50 | SG1 | so, I have a apple ibook with a seemingly _dead_ ATA controller/disk.. any decent humane way to netboot it using NFS and the like (like x86 machines) |
| 08:25.16 | SimonRaven | yeh, better even. you don't need some dumbass hacks |
| 08:26.02 | svenl | Corsac: i have a 1ghz tibook, not bluetooth there. |
| 08:26.33 | SimonRaven | dumbass pxe* |
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| 08:30.57 | SG1 | yes, so I get that openfirmware will netboot, but how does it get the kernel etc, I've been googing about and I mostly find OSX netboot information.. the other thing is how to get a ppc base system on my x86 server.. (guessing debootstrap, somehow.. confused to think its ppc) |
| 08:33.39 | SimonRaven | you make a netboot kernel, like any other machine/arch |
| 08:33.49 | SimonRaven | nfsroot, initrd, etc. |
| 08:34.48 | SimonRaven | you might want to look at what's already in debian. there some stuff you'd be interested in |
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| 08:35.06 | SG1 | debootstrap --arch powerpc sid /ibook/ http://lyre.mit.edu/debian seems to have done the job for the base |
| 08:35.20 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 08:35.46 | SG1 | so, how does openfirmware grab the kernel? tftp ? |
| 08:37.20 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 08:37.32 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 08:38.13 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/docs/pdf/tftp1_0.pdf |
| 08:40.50 | SG1 | ah lovely |
| 09:14.59 | SG1 | http://hermes.osuosl.org/mediawiki/index.php/Mac_Netboot < hah silly me. |
| 09:15.06 | SG1 | I found a nice tutorial XD |
| 09:15.12 | SimonRaven | there ya go |
| 09:15.21 | SG1 | seems I need some magic dhpc options to get it to work hapilly |
| 09:15.37 | SimonRaven | yeh, it's easy |
| 09:15.56 | SG1 | well they aren't normal options |
| 09:16.20 | SimonRaven | sure they are. not what you'd see in a home net usually though |
| 09:16.24 | SG1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.44 | SG1 | no, with the newest openfirmware its no longer as normal.. |
| 09:17.08 | SG1 | I run LTSP at home XD (for my x86 machinae) |
| 09:17.39 | SG1 | the x86 tftp boot doesn't need these mac options, I swear! |
| 09:17.42 | SimonRaven | oh yeh.... there used to be a patch for isc's 2.x.x dhcpd IIRC |
| 09:18.03 | SG1 | yeah 3.0+ supports all of this magic natively. |
| 09:18.21 | SG1 | XD |
| 09:18.44 | SG1 | this is going to be _fun_ *lets not kill the _rest_ of the network* da da a |
| 09:19.15 | SimonRaven | oh it won't. just specify the mac address in the conf |
| 09:20.14 | SimonRaven | hardware ethernet MA:CAd:dr:ess:he:re |
| 09:22.14 | SG1 | yeah that I know, its just me and confs at this time of day..==typos==dead daemons |
| 09:22.37 | SimonRaven | yup :) |
| 09:23.18 | SimonRaven | that applies to *any* time of day ;) |
| 09:25.31 | SG1 | odd nothing in the dhcp logfile when I "boot enet:0" at of |
| 09:25.37 | SG1 | ah there we go! |
| 09:25.45 | SimonRaven | busy, if you need help, ping. goes for anyone |
| 09:26.35 | SG1 | mhm? |
| 09:27.15 | SimonRaven | oh, highlight me |
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| 09:36.30 | SG1 | SimonRaven: so I'm most of the way there.. I got it too get dhcp.. grab yaboot.. boot a kernel.. and nfs mount.. now.... its up to actually making/obtaining a working ppc base install on my x86 server |
| 09:36.47 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 09:37.04 | SimonRaven | debootsrap conf should get you there |
| 09:38.52 | SG1 | well at the end of that earlier debootstrap command, chroot failed.. for obvious reasons (like ppc binaries NOT running on x86..) |
| 09:39.23 | SG1 | SimonRaven: what exactly do you mean by conf.. |
| 09:39.46 | SimonRaven | well, you need to chroot() there and run base-config |
| 09:40.31 | SG1 | eek, hows that possible.. |
| 09:40.41 | SimonRaven | oh yeh... |
| 09:41.18 | SimonRaven | well, when you boot from it, you'll be on the right arch, so you can do it from there |
| 09:44.27 | SG1 | yeah, so its missing lots of stuff.. |
| 09:44.35 | SG1 | like inittab |
| 09:44.40 | SG1 | and /dev/console at first.. |
| 09:44.47 | SG1 | SimonRaven: this'll be fun! |
| 09:45.45 | SimonRaven | yeh, running MAKEDEV, that sort of thing. MAKEDEV is just a shell script, so just do cd /chroot/dev; MAKEDEV generic-powerpc |
| 09:47.11 | SG1 | I got that. |
| 09:47.27 | SG1 | I'm attempting to fix etc now.. |
| 09:48.23 | SG1 | SimonRaven: I wonder how badly it breaks if I copy the server's etc over... |
| 09:49.49 | SG1 | mhm could always boot with init=bin bash.. and then try to have fun. |
| 09:52.11 | SG1 | SimonRaven: I know what I could do! get one of you folks to debootstrap on PPC and then tar/gzip it up! |
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| 09:52.51 | SimonRaven | yeh, hold, i'll do that up |
| 09:53.25 | SimonRaven | sarge? |
| 09:53.53 | SimonRaven | i'll make it sarge |
| 09:53.56 | SG1 | well been using etch.. |
| 09:54.18 | SG1 | or whatever testing is.. |
| 09:54.35 | SimonRaven | ok etch then |
| 09:55.03 | SG1 | thanks! |
| 09:55.08 | SimonRaven | aha |
| 09:55.10 | SimonRaven | --foreign |
| 09:55.16 | SG1 | mhm? |
| 09:55.20 | SimonRaven | Do the initial unpack phase of bootstrapping only, for example if the target architecture does not match the host architecā ture. A copy of debootstrap sufficient for completing the bootstrap process will be installed as /deboostrap/debootstrap in the target filesystem. |
| 09:56.06 | SimonRaven | i'll do it anyway, be nice to have an etch base tarball |
| 09:57.39 | SG1 | heh, Im reruning my --arch one with foreign now. |
| 09:58.00 | SG1 | didn't see that, whoops |
| 09:58.53 | SimonRaven | sudo debootstrap etch . http://ftp.debian.org/debian :) |
| 09:59.07 | SG1 | seems etch didn't work for me.. sid does seems I did sid before too.. |
| 09:59.18 | SG1 | E: Couldn't find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 slang1a-utf8 |
| 09:59.22 | SG1 | is what etch gave me |
| 10:00.02 | SimonRaven | Found additional base dependencies: libdb4.2 libreadline5 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a readline-common |
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| 10:02.34 | SimonRaven | going ok so far |
| 10:04.57 | SimonRaven | installing... |
| 10:05.01 | SG1 | heh, must be able to do some magic on a ppc system |
| 10:07.35 | SG1 | ok... running here... |
| 10:07.46 | SG1 | on the mac. |
| 10:08.18 | SG1 | (prompt="I have no name!@192#").. init=/bin/bash |
| 10:08.21 | SimonRaven | I: Base system installed successfully. |
| 10:08.27 | SG1 | heh you win |
| 10:08.37 | SG1 | mine died at /debootstrap/devices.tar.gz |
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| 10:10.46 | SG1 | SimonRaven: manually edited script.. _reattempt_ XD |
| 10:27.54 | SG1 | SimonRaven: well after a bunch of hacks to debootstrap things seem to be.. OK, hows it going over there? |
| 10:30.12 | SimonRaven | installing dselect stuff, gonna setup shadow passwds, md5, and such, then some final touches, and tar it up |
| 10:31.54 | SimonRaven | oh, and write a little docs to say what i've done |
| 10:33.32 | SG1 | heh, my crazy-install seems to be making its way through stage 2 now. |
| 10:33.45 | SimonRaven | running base-config now |
| 10:35.04 | SG1 | whoo hoo ncurses and pam! |
| 10:35.44 | SG1 | my nortel is going *blinky* right now. |
| 10:35.54 | SG1 | yay for nfs installs |
| 10:37.38 | SimonRaven | done. now tarring |
| 10:38.12 | SG1 | hehe I'm unpacking the base system now. |
| 10:39.36 | SG1 | eh gpg is part of base these days.. suppose thats for the .sign files. |
| 10:39.55 | SimonRaven | Release.gpg |
| 10:40.16 | SG1 | yeah, to verify sigs. |
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| 10:52.23 | SimonRaven | gzipping -9 |
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| 10:52.59 | SG1 | SimonRaven: booting into my new system (hopefully) |
| 10:53.36 | SG1 | eek |
| 10:53.48 | SG1 | except for the fact it _thinks_ its my server hostname wise |
| 10:53.51 | SG1 | it seems to be ok |
| 10:57.04 | SimonRaven | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 350484480 2005-12-29 05:49 debian_etch_tarball_2005-12-29.tar |
| 10:57.08 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 10:57.11 | SimonRaven | -rw------- 1 simon src 29999104 2005-12-29 05:57 debian_etch_tarball_2005-12-29.tar.gz |
| 10:57.21 | SG1 | rofl. |
| 10:57.27 | SimonRaven | not bad for base install, plus zsh, and a dselect first-run |
| 10:57.48 | SimonRaven | doesn't include /dev ;) |
| 10:58.03 | SG1 | apt-get install vim screen ntpdate |
| 10:58.08 | SG1 | :) |
| 10:58.18 | SimonRaven | i'll let people using it do that |
| 10:58.24 | SG1 | my hacks work |
| 10:58.34 | SG1 | no I mean thats what _im_ doing atm! |
| 10:58.36 | SG1 | yay! |
| 10:58.46 | SimonRaven | and i'm putting explicit instructions on what they need to do |
| 10:58.48 | SG1 | (ntp 'cause its yelling about timestampts) |
| 10:58.53 | SimonRaven | ok :) |
| 10:59.23 | SG1 | osx seems to put hardware time as local time.. :/ |
| 10:59.32 | SG1 | (osx was on the HD before..) |
| 10:59.38 | SimonRaven | and if it's wrong, it's fucked |
| 10:59.52 | SimonRaven | so far it's at 43 MB |
| 11:01.08 | SimonRaven | i'm running watch ls -l =) |
| 11:02.36 | SG1 | could you post a working ppc /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:02.55 | SimonRaven | yeh, i'll include that in the docs |
| 11:03.00 | SG1 | well so either MIT is out of sync |
| 11:03.06 | SG1 | or "Testing" is broken |
| 11:03.08 | SG1 | badly. |
| 11:03.23 | SG1 | apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 11:03.29 | SimonRaven | mit could be out of sync, i used the main archive |
| 11:03.33 | SG1 | throws nasty errors |
| 11:03.34 | SG1 | mhmk |
| 11:03.46 | SimonRaven | at ~72 MB |
| 11:04.08 | SimonRaven | it'll probably hit around 100 MB |
| 11:08.23 | SimonRaven | 106905600 |
| 11:09.21 | SG1 | heh |
| 11:09.34 | SG1 | well this apt-get will be a long wile |
| 11:09.36 | SG1 | while* |
| 11:09.49 | SG1 | 500mb of packages.. 1.4gb install on server |
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| 11:10.03 | SG1 | and then the mac will hopefully have X again.. |
| 11:10.41 | SG1 | it'd be lovely if when this new APE driver finishes itself I can have it netboot over the wifi XD |
| 11:11.12 | SG1 | SimonRaven: is there some way to tell OF to always do "boot enet:0,yaboot" |
| 11:11.22 | SG1 | or something? |
| 11:11.45 | SimonRaven | boot-device |
| 11:11.58 | SG1 | ok |
| 11:12.07 | SimonRaven | l debian_etch_tarball_2005-12-29.tar.gz |
| 11:12.07 | SimonRaven | -rw-r--r-- 1 simon src 123M 2005-12-29 05:49 debian_etch_tarball_2005-12-29.tar.gz |
| 11:12.19 | SimonRaven | not bad, came out to what i thought it would |
| 11:12.20 | SG1 | so "setenv boot-device enet:0,yaboot" |
| 11:12.27 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 11:12.31 | SG1 | ok |
| 11:12.56 | SG1 | well then pm me the link to this tarball, and I'm off to sleep.. |
| 11:13.02 | SG1 | thanks for all your help :) |
| 11:18.53 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 11:40.43 | SimonRaven | yeh, even did up sha1/md5sums and signed the tarball =) |
| 11:41.47 | SimonRaven | SG1 and anyone else: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/base_tarball_and_friends/ |
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| 11:59.36 | marculix | thx SimonRaven |
| 12:05.34 | Q-FUNK | *sigh* I sometimes wonder why I don't simply delete Debian off my iMac and run OS X. |
| 12:05.58 | Corsac | sometimes i wonder why i don't simply delete osx off my powerbook and run debian |
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| 12:08.31 | SimonRaven | oh you silly people. run whatever the fuck you want and be happy |
| 12:09.22 | Corsac | :) |
| 12:09.38 | SimonRaven | :D |
| 12:09.47 | MeisterTom | I am looking for an iso image which can boot on Pegasos1. |
| 12:10.10 | MeisterTom | No luck so far. |
| 12:10.22 | Q-FUNK | MeisterTom: svenl would have ther answer to that and how to turn a pegasos into a finnish bonfire too ;) |
| 12:10.29 | SimonRaven | heheh |
| 12:11.09 | MeisterTom | Q-FUNK: ok |
| 12:11.13 | MeisterTom | Why bonfire ? |
| 12:12.12 | Q-FUNK | erm... something involving a power supply designed for USA while in Finland :-P |
| 12:12.32 | MeisterTom | uh huh |
| 12:29.10 | Corsac | when a powerbook goes to sleep, is there a script which is executed ? |
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| 15:33.21 | Q-FUNK | apt-cache madison <packages separated by spaces> | sort | grep Packages |
| 15:34.34 | Q-FUNK | very addictive command |
| 15:35.49 | demon | what's it do? |
| 15:42.10 | johill | tell you where what version comes from |
| 15:43.03 | johill | Q-FUNK: for speed, you should use sed in place of grep, and invert the grepping and sorting ;) |
| 15:43.25 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 15:43.32 | johill | ... | sed 's/Packages$/Packages/;t;d' | sort |
| 15:44.26 | johill | grep is really slow |
| 15:48.58 | Corsac | does someone use a powerbook g4 (with seehun's keymaps) and xfce4 ? |
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| 16:12.35 | dj-death | still no compiled package of xorg 7.0 ? |
| 16:19.30 | Corsac | mhhm, weird |
| 16:19.52 | Corsac | i don't get right keycodes for Fn+arrows, with usbhid patch |
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| 16:26.30 | Corsac | dj-death: i don't think so |
| 16:26.40 | Corsac | hmhm, this keymap is really weird |
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| 16:59.32 | Corsac | johill: ping ? |
| 16:59.44 | johill | pong |
| 17:00.05 | Corsac | i still have problems with the usbhid patch and my keymap :/ |
| 17:00.20 | johill | hm |
| 17:01.45 | Corsac | especially with arrows |
| 17:02.08 | Corsac | it works with FN keys for pbbuttons (but the keycodes arent the ones given by xev) |
| 17:02.34 | johill | well, yes, the x server screws up |
| 17:02.42 | johill | ignore xev and use showkey on the console |
| 17:02.49 | johill | but the arrows work fine here |
| 17:04.05 | Corsac | showkey gives 0x3c/0xbc for pres/release F1 |
| 17:06.11 | johill | that's down/up |
| 17:06.22 | johill | know what's even better? evtest |
| 17:08.52 | Corsac | usr/bin/evtest misc/dvb-utils,x11/lineakd |
| 17:08.55 | Corsac | ? |
| 17:10.17 | johill | no, the usb evtest, google for evtest.c |
| 17:10.51 | Corsac | ok |
| 17:11.26 | Corsac | hmh, the evtest in lineakd gives Home for Fn+left arrow |
| 17:15.34 | Corsac | ok, that's the same |
| 17:15.47 | Corsac | Event: time 1135876536.371427, type 1 (Key), code 102 (Home), value 0 |
| 17:16.06 | Corsac | so it works, but X screws things up, like you said |
| 17:16.18 | Corsac | is it my keymap (and patchs associated) which does that ? |
| 17:16.57 | johill | probably |
| 17:17.09 | Corsac | brb |
| 17:24.42 | Corsac | maybe the keycodes are wrong |
| 17:26.38 | johill | most definitely not, input.h in the kernel is the definite reference |
| 17:26.55 | Corsac | yes but i have a /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/powerbook |
| 17:27.00 | Corsac | which may differs |
| 17:27.07 | johill | yeah ok |
| 17:28.18 | Corsac | #define KEY_F1 59 |
| 17:28.27 | Corsac | but i have <FK01> = 67; |
| 17:28.32 | Corsac | in keycodes/powerbook |
| 17:28.36 | Corsac | and <FK01> = 130; |
| 17:28.39 | Corsac | in keycodes/macintosh |
| 17:29.03 | johill | I also get 67 in X so it probably maps something |
| 17:29.35 | Corsac | and xev says 9 |
| 17:29.46 | Corsac | and evtest says 1 |
| 17:29.50 | Corsac | ¬¬ |
| 17:32.02 | Corsac | maybe I should ask Jochen |
| 17:32.10 | johill | probably better |
| 17:32.44 | Corsac | does he idle somewhere on irc ? |
| 17:32.48 | johill | no idea |
| 17:43.44 | Corsac | ok i've sent him a mail |
| 17:51.34 | Corsac | !seen lemsx1 |
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| 18:34.44 | Corsac | johill: :( |
| 18:34.45 | Corsac | Since I got bored fighting these battles I just stopped using Linux on |
| 18:34.45 | Corsac | my Powerbook (MacOS X is actually quite usable). Thus, sorry, I |
| 18:34.45 | Corsac | cannot really help here. |
| 18:34.52 | Corsac | :( |
| 18:35.07 | Corsac | i think i'll try hacking macintosh keymap |
| 18:50.10 | SimonRaven | @seen lemsx1 |
| 18:50.11 | ravenbird | lemsx1 <n=lemsx1@p86-65.acedsl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debianppc, 11d 15h 36m 45s ago, saying: 'Corsac, ping'. |
| 18:50.16 | Corsac | ! |
| 18:50.23 | Corsac | SimonRaven: thanks |
| 18:50.27 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 18:56.53 | johill | heh. saying 'Corsac, ping' |
| 18:58.16 | Corsac | :) |
| 18:58.34 | Corsac | we wanted to have splashy working on ppc |
| 18:58.52 | Corsac | 'evening |
| 19:02.10 | Bor_Ed | hmm, an easy one... how would I sync http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/xpde/xpde/src/ to the HD? |
| 19:04.39 | johill | Bor_Ed: explain |
| 19:05.24 | Bor_Ed | I'd like to get the tree grabbed here but I'm as good in CVS as I am in sudoku :I |
| 19:07.54 | johill | ah ok |
| 19:08.02 | johill | go to sf.net/projects/xpde and click on the cvs link |
| 19:08.05 | johill | it'll explain there |
| 19:08.58 | Bor_Ed | too hard to get at these hours, thanks :) |
| 19:09.53 | johill | Bor_Ed: the module name is also xpde |
| 19:10.26 | Bor_Ed | I'll bookmark and try to check out when I'm less sleepy... got to compile with 601 optimizations too to get 'authentic' 'performance' |
| 19:11.12 | johill | heh |
| 19:11.40 | Bor_Ed | btw, just got lazarus environment up couple of weeks back and it sure looks xpde is object pascal developed :D |
| 19:12.40 | Q-FUNK | holly cow! brace yourselves amigos: x.org 6.9 hits unstable |
| 19:13.09 | Bor_Ed | buggr, I need to clean up the HD again to get it installed |
| 19:13.47 | Q-FUNK | upgrade-system |
| 19:14.22 | Bor_Ed | no can do... |
| 19:18.57 | Q-FUNK | the package. |
| 19:19.03 | Q-FUNK | it removes all the cruft |
| 19:19.24 | Bor_Ed | and needs console up? |
| 19:20.09 | Q-FUNK | or ssh or xterm |
| 19:20.13 | Bor_Ed | no xorg 6.9 on .fi mirror yet |
| 19:20.14 | Q-FUNK | command line tool |
| 19:20.37 | Q-FUNK | aye. being uploaded to uunstable now |
| 19:20.43 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
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| 19:58.54 | johill | whee |
| 19:59.03 | johill | now bcm43xx+softmac can also do crypto |
| 20:00.06 | Bor_Ed | so it's time to order the g4 ibook now? |
| 20:00.20 | johill | heh |
| 20:00.33 | johill | well, I just tested wep, and only in software crypto mode |
| 20:00.43 | johill | will fix up ieee80211 to do hw crypto now |
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| 22:48.58 | Corsac | johill: arent you supposed not to touch bcm43xx code ? |
| 22:49.12 | johill | have you looked at the patch? ;) |
| 22:50.20 | Corsac | yes but you don't risk anything ? |
| 22:50.46 | johill | that's stupidly simple and there's no way in hell anyone can claim I stole that code from them |
| 22:51.13 | Corsac | ok :) |
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