| 00:00.04 | LionsMane | hi |
| 00:00.25 | gizmo | I'm having trouble installing the newest stable version of debian (netinst) on my PowerBook 5,8. It boots correctly but fails the HW-detection step because a CD-ROM drive issue. Common problem or is it me? :) |
| 00:02.10 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: you can get OF? |
| 00:02.16 | LionsMane | yes |
| 00:02.26 | LionsMane | I am there now |
| 00:03.58 | helgoman_ | ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-3.0/macppc/INSTALL.html#Examples%20of%20Open%20Firmware%20boot%20commands |
| 00:04.26 | helgoman_ | there are commands to boot netbsd-cd with OF |
| 00:06.06 | gizmo | Is this URL meant for me? Sorry, what's OF? |
| 00:06.15 | gizmo | Oh, I see. |
| 00:08.39 | gizmo | Please, anyone, help me ;) |
| 00:09.15 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en#boot-cd |
| 00:09.28 | helgoman_ | did you read that? |
| 00:12.43 | LionsMane | Yea, looks like they want a mac floppy there. |
| 00:13.05 | LionsMane | At least for the second option you gave me (the Debian option. |
| 00:13.08 | LionsMane | ) |
| 00:13.36 | gizmo | I'm being ignored :< |
| 00:15.19 | helgoman_ | hm, you can't boot debian from cd because driver isn't avalible... but there is a an option to boot from an existing harddrive partition. perhaps you can use the netbsd system ?!? did you try booting the netbsd- system? |
| 00:15.28 | helgoman_ | gizmo: sorry ;-) |
| 00:15.53 | gizmo | I can wait :p. |
| 00:15.54 | helgoman_ | gizmo: stable or testing? |
| 00:16.04 | gizmo | I've tried both. |
| 00:16.19 | gizmo | I've even downloaded the whole DVD ISO :< |
| 00:16.30 | LionsMane | helgoman_: I am working on the link you sent me, the first one. |
| 00:16.34 | gizmo | (the stable one) |
| 00:17.32 | helgoman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.14 | Corsac | does someone in X taskforce care about 6.9 only being built on i386 you think ? |
| 00:18.40 | gizmo | Yes. 1.67GHz. 15.2", 1.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM, ... |
| 00:21.30 | helgoman_ | gizmo: sorry,no idea |
| 00:22.25 | gizmo | Could it have something to do that I haven't prepared an exclusive partition for debian yet? |
| 00:23.04 | gizmo | It's so weird it boots without problems but then shuts down the disc drive.. :/ |
| 00:25.16 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: http://paste.debian.net/3500 |
| 00:37.07 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: you can boot and install darwin on your laptop? |
| 00:39.47 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: no... i had an idea but don't seems to work ... |
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| 00:56.17 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: i think, if there is another debian- machine avalible you can try netboot to install your system. have a look on debian.org to set up a netboot- server and netbsd.org to get OF booting over ethernet |
| 00:57.35 | Joersch | oh... hi again... still the same problem?? |
| 00:59.03 | helgoman_ | Joersch: hi, i think so... yes |
| 00:59.39 | Joersch | does the macos system work now?? |
| 01:00.20 | helgoman_ | i think not |
| 01:00.49 | helgoman_ | what do you think about booting over ethernet? |
| 01:00.55 | Joersch | well.... if you cant even install macos.... |
| 01:01.26 | helgoman_ | but he have access to OpenFirmware |
| 01:02.06 | helgoman_ | if there is a unix-like machine avalible he can set up a bootserver |
| 01:02.12 | Joersch | as he told i build in another harddisk... with an working macos you could cross boot.... and if he cant install or even boot the debian cd, so how should he start the ethernet boot.... |
| 01:03.39 | helgoman_ | he don't have any MacOS installation- media... am i right? |
| 01:04.31 | helgoman_ | I have MacOS 9.. but I can't get it to install |
| 01:04.35 | Joersch | he got a macos 9 cd.... |
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| 01:05.24 | helgoman_ | that is a posting from 00:43 |
| 01:05.58 | helgoman_ | LionsMane: are you still there? |
| 01:06.12 | Joersch | oh... maybe something changed since... |
| 01:14.31 | Joersch | okay.... |
| 01:14.40 | Joersch | so we forget it :-) |
| 01:15.53 | helgoman_ | ;-) |
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| 03:06.16 | LionsMane | Joersch: YOu there? I had to step away for a while. |
| 03:06.49 | Joersch | yes... still here... for some minuits before sleeping |
| 03:08.04 | Joersch | LionsMane, so whats up? |
| 03:09.07 | LionsMane | The netboot idea. |
| 03:09.20 | LionsMane | I was reading back on what you two were talking about. |
| 03:09.32 | LionsMane | Did I read I can xfer the OF boot over the wire? |
| 03:09.50 | LionsMane | I have a pair of SuSE boxes that can have a DHCP and TFTP server setup. |
| 03:10.19 | Joersch | okay, so you just need to get a boot over the wire.... |
| 03:10.27 | LionsMane | hmmm |
| 03:10.39 | LionsMane | NOw there is a thought... What about a "diskless boot" |
| 03:10.40 | LionsMane | noo. |
| 03:10.46 | LionsMane | I wait to see what you are talking about first. |
| 03:11.21 | Joersch | but, maybe i'am wrong, but i think you just need to get the system going, i just hang on the fact that even macos does not work correctly |
| 03:12.12 | LionsMane | Well, this is a "not blessed" HD.. blank. |
| 03:12.17 | LionsMane | The old one pooched. |
| 03:12.31 | LionsMane | So I went and got another IDE drive and put it in, but it is blank.. not blessed. |
| 03:12.45 | LionsMane | I was able to initialize it, but I don't know what I need to partition it. |
| 03:12.48 | LionsMane | Or bless it. |
| 03:13.15 | LionsMane | And, in turn, give the MacOS9 installer and place to store a read/write-able desktop folder. |
| 03:13.20 | LionsMane | Make sense.? |
| 03:13.23 | LionsMane | Any sense? |
| 03:13.29 | LionsMane | Am I blatering? |
| 03:13.38 | LionsMane | Should I switch to decaf? :D |
| 03:14.00 | Joersch | under macos its a kind of easy... at install you can partition it... that what i would do first... later on you can do a dual boot |
| 03:15.18 | LionsMane | but but but... Damn. |
| 03:15.29 | LionsMane | I wish I had my 10.1 disk. |
| 03:15.36 | LionsMane | Some one took off with them. |
| 03:15.41 | LionsMane | I had 10.1 on the machine. |
| 03:15.48 | Joersch | so you can work with it... you should install macos first... than try quik or xboot, for a dual boot... thats what i would do.... but enough for now... maybe helgoman_ can help further on... its about 4 o'clock over here... and i go sleeping a bit :-) |
| 03:15.59 | LionsMane | Do you have 10.1 disks? |
| 03:16.02 | LionsMane | Please say yes. |
| 03:16.06 | LionsMane | D: |
| 03:16.07 | LionsMane | :D |
| 03:16.16 | Joersch | no sorry... a 8.5 somwhere here |
| 03:16.22 | LionsMane | ~sigh~ |
| 03:16.24 | LionsMane | Fair enough. |
| 03:17.00 | Joersch | so, just good night.... hope you can solve your problem... |
| 03:17.49 | LionsMane | Thanx.. maybe tomorrow, then. |
| 03:17.51 | LionsMane | Nite |
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| 04:21.56 | pillage | morning sall |
| 04:22.01 | pillage | sll, even |
| 04:22.12 | pillage | sigh, my typing just isn't up to it today |
| 04:22.23 | pillage | does anyone know if you can do anything with macos .dmg psckages on linux? |
| 04:22.56 | LionsMane | dmg2iso |
| 04:23.05 | LionsMane | It is a package I downloaded a few weeks ago. |
| 04:23.10 | LionsMane | Works sweet. |
| 04:23.25 | pillage | that allows you to mount the package as a filesystem doesn't it? |
| 04:23.38 | LionsMane | It has some odd (read several) dependancies like python or perl or something and some lib packages. |
| 04:23.48 | LionsMane | No, dmg's are compressed images. |
| 04:23.56 | LionsMane | dmg2iso decompresses the image. |
| 04:24.03 | pillage | I'm trying to install coldfusion on linux running on a powerbook - but the linux binary doesn't operate and I can't execute the mac package |
| 04:24.06 | LionsMane | Then, if the image is iso9660 you can mount it. |
| 04:24.15 | LionsMane | But it is unlikely that it is, tho. |
| 04:24.31 | pillage | hrm I might have phrased the question badly |
| 04:24.32 | LionsMane | oooohhh |
| 04:24.34 | LionsMane | hmmm |
| 04:24.41 | pillage | by the looks of it I have cf_install.app |
| 04:24.55 | pillage | I can move into it like a directory but I'm not sure if there's any way I can execute it |
| 04:25.40 | LionsMane | I doubt it will run in linux on ppc. |
| 04:25.54 | pillage | you're probably right |
| 04:27.14 | LionsMane | .app are MacOS things. |
| 04:27.30 | LionsMane | Like the difference between a DOS .COM file and a windows .EXE file. |
| 04:27.41 | LionsMane | Both run on a x86 CPU, but they are not the same. |
| 04:29.23 | pillage | yeah, I was just hoping I could find something inside that might be usable |
| 04:29.27 | pillage | thanks for the help anyways |
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| 09:21.54 | Corsac | woot !! |
| 09:21.56 | Corsac | @kernel |
| 09:22.00 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.15, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.15-rc5-mm3 |
| 09:22.02 | Corsac | \o/ |
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| 09:33.32 | Flimzy | I am having difficulty getting mol to start... I'm using macos X... 10.4 I think. I get infinite 'RVEC-DEBUGGER <1882>' errors on startup... and it never finishes loading. My google searches have been of no help. |
| 09:35.49 | _rene_ | Flimzy: mol doesn't support 10.4 |
| 09:35.54 | Flimzy | ahh |
| 09:35.59 | Flimzy | I guess that would explain it |
| 09:36.01 | Flimzy | that sucks :/ |
| 09:36.11 | Corsac | there is a patch avaiable somewhere |
| 09:36.14 | Flimzy | oh |
| 09:36.15 | Corsac | and it works great |
| 09:36.17 | Flimzy | that sucks less |
| 09:36.28 | Corsac | you may have a look at debian-ppc list archive |
| 09:38.14 | Flimzy | is it an official mol patch? |
| 09:38.15 | Corsac | i don't know |
| 09:38.32 | Flimzy | I think I found it |
| 09:40.18 | Flimzy | it patched cleanly against 0.9.70 it looks like |
| 09:40.24 | Flimzy | I'll soon see if it compiles as well! |
| 09:41.01 | Corsac | don't forget to build the modules |
| 09:41.09 | Corsac | that's where the patch applies iirc |
| 09:41.17 | Flimzy | okay |
| 09:41.39 | Flimzy | the kernel modules? |
| 09:41.46 | Corsac | yes |
| 09:41.50 | Flimzy | alright |
| 09:42.09 | Flimzy | so... just out of curiosity... how is performance of MacOS while running under mol? |
| 09:42.16 | Corsac | not too bad |
| 09:42.35 | Flimzy | my main motivation is to get the airport card working |
| 09:42.47 | Flimzy | so performance shouldn't be a huge issue |
| 09:42.50 | Corsac | hmh |
| 09:42.58 | Corsac | you know there is a driver out there, right ? |
| 09:43.04 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: you should be able to get the airport card working without using mol |
| 09:43.06 | Flimzy | a native linux one now? |
| 09:43.09 | Corsac | yes |
| 09:43.15 | Flimzy | hmm! |
| 09:43.19 | Corsac | http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 09:43.20 | Flimzy | my info must be outdated |
| 09:43.26 | Corsac | not everything works, but.. |
| 09:43.30 | dondelelcaro | although, I still haven't managed to get it to associate with an open network... |
| 09:43.35 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 09:43.51 | Corsac | dondelelcaro: here it works fine |
| 09:44.32 | dondelelcaro | Corsac: I kept getting the softmac "no I don't want to communicate with an unauthenticated network" messages |
| 09:44.54 | dondelelcaro | granted, i haven't really had much chance to deal with it beyond that |
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| 09:48.37 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 09:48.42 | Flimzy | requires 2.6.15 |
| 09:48.52 | Flimzy | I guess I'll be upgrading my kernel now |
| 09:50.09 | Flimzy | whoa |
| 09:50.13 | Flimzy | when did 2.6.15 come out? |
| 09:50.20 | Corsac | this morning |
| 09:50.24 | Flimzy | ah |
| 09:50.37 | Flimzy | I could have sworn that a few hours ago, 2.6.14.5 was the newest |
| 09:50.37 | Flimzy | hehe |
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| 10:11.57 | Corsac | ok now i can't associate() |
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| 10:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Corsac: ;-) |
| 10:17.25 | Corsac | SoftMAC: cannot associate without being authenticated, requested authentication |
| 10:17.34 | dondelelcaro | Corsac: yeah, that's what I was seeing earlier too |
| 10:17.36 | Corsac | well, last revisions infected me I guess |
| 10:17.37 | Corsac | :) |
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| 10:41.58 | Flimzy | Well... with the patched mol, it doesn't give the same error |
| 10:42.05 | Flimzy | but it does say there's still no bootable disk :/ |
| 10:44.03 | Corsac | startmol -X |
| 10:44.04 | Corsac | ? |
| 10:46.48 | Flimzy | ah yes I forgot t he -X |
| 10:46.49 | Flimzy | let me try again |
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| 12:36.29 | Corsac | hhmm |
| 12:36.31 | Corsac | (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled |
| 12:36.35 | Corsac | corsac@hidalgo: glxinfo | grep render [~] |
| 12:36.39 | Corsac | direct rendering: No |
| 12:36.39 | Corsac | :/ |
| 12:38.05 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Does anyone know when X 7.0 (6.9) will be released?? |
| 12:38.53 | _rene_ | oo0_JeS_0oo: X 6.9 *is* released |
| 12:39.28 | _rene_ | oo0_JeS_0oo: and also in sid. (not yet for powerpc, though) |
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| 12:42.21 | Corsac | yes, i've rebuilt it |
| 12:42.29 | Corsac | there is a problem with MANIFEST file |
| 12:44.09 | Corsac | but still, i don't have dri :( |
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| 13:48.31 | itom | hi all, I've a new Powerbook 15' 1,67ghz G4 |
| 13:48.43 | itom | I've tried to install without success Debian sarge and testing |
| 13:49.36 | itom | the problem are the kernel that don't find a cdrom and hd |
| 13:49.54 | itom | only last kernel I understand that made this possible |
| 13:50.32 | itom | so do you know where I can get a custom installer iso (netinstall is perfect for me) with recent kernel? |
| 13:50.42 | johill | don't think there is one |
| 13:51.01 | johill | you could try booting that gentoo live cd that has a new kernel, and then somehow installing debian via that |
| 13:51.44 | itom | you mean deboostrap and choort and install a compile a recent kerenel on it? |
| 13:52.46 | johill | something like that, yeah |
| 13:52.50 | johill | I haven't actually tried |
| 13:53.01 | johill | oh you could of course just copy the gentoo kernel into it too |
| 13:55.10 | itom | thanks for the suggest! I understand it |
| 13:56.42 | johill | I haven't actually tried it, I cloned my powerbook onto my brothers with target disk mode |
| 13:56.54 | johill | and on mine I had a recent enough kernel (mine is an older model) |
| 13:58.23 | itom | the idea is true, I made disaster recovery with live cd; I know that it possible to do |
| 13:58.34 | itom | is a great idea :) |
| 14:01.32 | SimonRaven | itom: try doing up a jigdo from another linux box, or livecd |
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| 14:08.45 | itom | another idea is install a base system on a G4 not-new; compile a last kernel with patch; with a live cd copy the data in the new powerbook |
| 14:09.09 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 14:09.16 | itom | explain jido from another linux box |
| 14:09.48 | itom | so I must found a live cd for ppc that have last kernel |
| 14:10.02 | SimonRaven | oh, jigdo you can make custom cds |
| 14:13.50 | itom | SimonRaven, you mean a unofficial debian images with recent kernel downloaded with jidgo? |
| 14:17.14 | SimonRaven | exactly as i said. then you could put in custom kernel and the rest be stuff from d-i (installer) |
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| 14:29.52 | itom | SimonRaven, Is impossible to think that about jidgo; I need to learn something about that |
| 14:30.06 | SimonRaven | 'jigdo' |
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| 14:53.03 | Corsac | johill, svenl: do you think i should fill a bugreport with the usbhid patch for fn-key on debian bts ? |
| 14:53.23 | johill | nah, it's changing all the time |
| 14:53.32 | johill | and hopefully it'll just go upstream soon |
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| 14:55.13 | itom | bye |
| 14:56.01 | svenl | Corsac: sure. |
| 14:56.14 | svenl | always file bug report, but it going upstream is nice too. |
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| 14:57.28 | Corsac | svenl: comme on dit, j'ai pas envie de marcher sur les plates bandes de quelqu'un d'autre :) |
| 14:58.00 | svenl | Corsac: filer des bugs c'est toujours bien, c'est pas garanti qu'on les appliquent apres. |
| 14:58.54 | Corsac | (i didn't know how to say "marcher sur les plates bandes" in english :p) |
| 14:59.04 | Corsac | and i don't know from where comes this patch :/ |
| 14:59.41 | johill | hansmi |
| 15:00.06 | svenl | Corsac: file a wishlist bug asking for the functionality, and mentioning the patch then ? |
| 15:01.26 | Corsac | on linux-2.6 ? |
| 15:04.30 | svenl | sure. |
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| 15:17.14 | Corsac | johill: ? |
| 15:17.36 | johill | hansmi (Michael Hanselmann) made the buttons patch |
| 15:17.41 | Corsac | yes |
| 15:17.46 | Corsac | i'm on his website |
| 15:18.11 | johill | ah ok. you said something about not knowing where it was from |
| 15:18.20 | Corsac | i'm using currently usbhid-hook-try4.diff |
| 15:18.34 | Corsac | but there is a https://hansmi.home.forkbomb.ch/public/usbhid-hook-try6.diff |
| 15:19.55 | johill | yeah, that's a port to the quirks thing |
| 15:20.44 | Corsac | which one should I submit ? |
| 15:20.51 | Corsac | try4 or try6 ? |
| 15:20.56 | johill | 6 |
| 15:21.13 | johill | I think that it'll probably go into mainline (or a slight variation of it) |
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| 15:26.42 | Corsac | it's rather annoying that you're not subscribed to the bugs you submit :( |
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| 15:35.02 | svenl | Corsac: indeed. |
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| 15:35.14 | svenl | Corsac: file a bug report against the BTS :) |
| 15:36.19 | dondelelcaro | Corsac: there's already a bug open for that; for the time being, you can just subscribe... |
| 15:36.49 | Corsac | :)) |
| 15:36.55 | dondelelcaro | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=37078 |
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| 22:26.55 | dan_t_ | hello |
| 22:27.34 | dan_t_ | i have some problems with yaboot on a ibook after i tryed to enable the desktop extension as described here: http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html |
| 22:27.48 | dan_t_ | at boot time yaboot is not loaded anymore |
| 22:28.22 | dan_t_ | someone can help me? |
| 22:30.26 | pahartik | dan_t_: boot manually from OpenFirmware console? |
| 22:31.39 | dan_t_ | pahartik: i booted with a live cd and reisntalled yaboot (ybin -v) but after the reboot yaboot is no loaded |
| 22:32.00 | Corsac | boot with apple O F |
| 22:32.05 | Corsac | (pressed) |
| 22:32.15 | Corsac | then choose to boot from your linux partition |
| 22:32.39 | dan_t_ | Corsac: how? |
| 22:32.55 | Corsac | dan_t_: press Apple O F at boot |
| 22:33.34 | dan_t_ | ok |
| 22:33.49 | dan_t_ | i'm in open firmware. then? |
| 22:34.16 | Corsac | you should have some menu asking you the boot disk |
| 22:34.20 | Corsac | (iirc) |
| 22:36.09 | dan_t_ | any menu but after the last try now yaboot is loaded |
| 22:36.28 | dan_t_ | now i retry to configure the nvram again for the desktop extension |
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| 23:04.37 | Joersch | hi all |
| 23:07.36 | dan_t_ | Corsac: pahartik: now is fixed. i probably did something wrong the first time. thank you |
| 23:07.50 | Corsac | k |
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