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| 03:33.01 | Flimzy | I think I might give up on this silly bcm43xx driver for a while... see if it gets better in a few weeks |
| 03:33.43 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: Aww, sorry to hear that. |
| 03:33.55 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: If I notice DHCP works, I'll let the channel know, at least. (-: |
| 03:34.06 | paulproteus|lapt | Erm, *this* channel. |
| 03:34.06 | Flimzy | hehe, okay |
| 03:34.14 | Flimzy | I'm not sure the problem is just with DHCP |
| 03:34.30 | Flimzy | I'll try some more on Monday when I'm at work agian on their network |
| 03:34.42 | Flimzy | at least I can get it working--with several minutes of fiddling, at home |
| 03:35.04 | Flimzy | Now I think I'll try to get mol working |
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| 03:36.24 | Flimzy | When I start mol, it works... except that the video is terribly distorted. I'm using OS X 10.4... any idea what the problem might be? |
| 03:39.10 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: The #bcm-specs folks were saying something about MoL not working on very recent kernels. |
| 03:39.19 | paulproteus|lapt | I don't know what that was about, especially since I don't use MoL. |
| 03:39.33 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 03:39.46 | Flimzy | maybe I should return this powerbook for a Dell or something :P |
| 03:41.22 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: See /topic. (-; |
| 03:41.47 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 03:42.36 | Flimzy | maybe I should put this whole IQ test on hold until I have he amd64 MythTV box working |
| 03:42.48 | Flimzy | if I wait until this lappy is working, I may never get to use Myth again |
| 03:43.45 | TBBle | I've got mol working on 2.6.15-1-powerpc. Had to patch it up for Tiger though. |
| 03:44.08 | Flimzy | I applied the tiger patch... and am using my own 2.6.15 kernel as well |
| 03:44.33 | TBBle | Someone on #bcm-specs said that DHCP should have been working in yesterday's snapshot. I haven't tried it yet though. |
| 03:45.01 | Flimzy | I got dhcp to work... if I initiate it after a precise order of other commands |
| 03:45.08 | Flimzy | and only at home... can't get on at work at all |
| 03:45.41 | TBBle | Well, someone here said it works fine via the wlan0 device, but that means you can't use encryption. Work's just moved up to WPA from WEP104, so that method's closed to me. |
| 03:46.09 | Flimzy | My work doesn't use any encryption |
| 03:46.18 | Flimzy | and I can use whatever I want here... right now not using anything |
| 03:46.30 | Flimzy | I haven't seen any wlan devices, tho |
| 03:46.34 | Flimzy | mine just shows up as eth1 |
| 03:46.36 | Flimzy | is that unusual? |
| 03:46.48 | TBBle | Well, work can use whatever I want, as it happens. I upgraded us to WPA because the bcm driver supports it, but the prism54 driver didn't. |
| 03:47.00 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 03:47.13 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: I use SoftMAC and I get ethx. Maybe dscape uses wlanx? |
| 03:47.19 | TBBle | Weird. Mine appeared as wlanX by default... |
| 03:47.23 | TBBle | Ah, of course. I'm on dscape. |
| 03:47.26 | Flimzy | What is dscape? |
| 03:47.34 | Flimzy | maybe I should try that and see if it helps me |
| 03:47.38 | paulproteus|lapt | http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver |
| 03:47.42 | TBBle | The alternate 802.11 stack. |
| 03:47.47 | Flimzy | interesting |
| 03:47.58 | TBBle | It _is_ possible to build out-of-tree instead of patching the kernel, but it's hard. |
| 03:48.02 | Flimzy | is it "better"? or just "different"? |
| 03:48.26 | TBBle | I suspect it's better, but can't say for sure. I _do_ know that both bcm43xx and rt2x00 are now using it. |
| 03:48.38 | paulproteus|lapt | TBBle: The 802.11 stack is surely "different" (you'll be appalled the first time you ifconfig) and is also at least slightly better. |
| 03:49.06 | TBBle | paulproteus|lapt: I _was_ indeed horrified and upset at the profusion of net_devices... |
| 03:49.09 | paulproteus|lapt | The best bcm development is happening on dscape and being backported to softmac all the time. |
| 03:49.21 | TBBle | Ah. I suspected that, but wasn't sure. |
| 03:49.22 | paulproteus|lapt | TBBle: I know, I switched back to softmac very quickly. (-; |
| 03:49.36 | Flimzy | is the devscape thingie a complete replacement for the driver I'm using? Or does it just replace the softmac portion? |
| 03:49.58 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: It means you don't use ieee80211_softmac.ko anymore and provides a different bcm43xx.ko. |
| 03:50.01 | TBBle | But once I got used to it, I don't mind so much. Happily ifup doesn't care if the physical device you're ifuping exists until it tries to operate on it, so pre-up .add_sta commands make it all nice and smooth |
| 03:50.13 | paulproteus|lapt | TBBle: /me drools |
| 03:50.20 | paulproteus|lapt | I'm willing to try dscape again if I can get my grubby hands on a step-by-step that makes sense. |
| 03:50.56 | paulproteus|lapt | How'd you get it working [well]? And what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:51.12 | TBBle | Well, I'm gonna redo my process with the latest dscape-2.6.15-vanilla and bcm43xx-dscape-, and then post it on the wiki. Prolly in the next few hours. |
| 03:51.43 | paulproteus|lapt | TBBle: Rocking. (-: |
| 03:51.48 | paulproteus|lapt | Then I'll wait eagerly. |
| 03:52.01 | TBBle | First, supermarket time. I'm out of toilet paper. >_< |
| 03:52.08 | Flimzy | where do I find the devscape drivers to try? |
| 03:52.22 | Flimzy | that URL you gave me just offers a description of it, from waht I can tell |
| 03:52.55 | paulproteus|lapt | Usually for me the best way to write wiki pages on things like this is to write the commands on the wiki live, along with their output, saving on each command. |
| 03:53.03 | paulproteus|lapt | Then I go back and fill in the human-readable text between the commands. |
| 03:53.21 | TBBle | Well, I did that in a text file locally. (Syncing, too. I found a BUGON in the bcm driver. ^_^) |
| 03:55.22 | TBBle | I want a second shot at it, though, to improve the process. It's a little nasty. The biggest problem is you have to move the IPW ieee80211 headers out of the way in your kernel tree. And all the alternatives are equally ugly to me. |
| 03:56.29 | paulproteus|lapt | The currently-suggested-to-users method is to move the IPW headers out of the way. |
| 03:56.40 | paulproteus|lapt | mb_ publishes a patch that does this along with insert dsca.e |
| 03:56.41 | paulproteus|lapt | dscape. |
| 03:56.59 | Flimzy | where can I download the dscape drivers? |
| 03:57.35 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: They're in subversion of http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 03:57.39 | paulproteus|lapt | There's a HOWTO in svn as well. |
| 03:57.45 | Flimzy | ahh |
| 03:58.12 | Flimzy | I guess I've seen that... but just assumed it was the same tree that was made available in the .tar.bz2's |
| 03:59.03 | paulproteus|lapt | There's another set of .tar.bz2s somewhere... |
| 03:59.11 | paulproteus|lapt | The bcm43xx list has more info. |
| 03:59.21 | paulproteus|lapt | https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/bcm43xx-dev - see archives. |
| 03:59.35 | Flimzy | oh, fun |
| 04:00.08 | paulproteus|lapt | I'm on that list and #bcm-specs, but ever since I got SoftMAC reliably working on my WEPless network I've ignored most traffic. (-: |
| 04:00.39 | Flimzy | is softmac prefered if/when it works? |
| 04:01.31 | paulproteus|lapt | Flimzy: It was the first development branch. |
| 04:01.33 | paulproteus|lapt | That's why I picked it. |
| 04:01.39 | Flimzy | okay |
| 04:01.44 | paulproteus|lapt | It's less intrusive, too. |
| 04:02.10 | paulproteus|lapt | As it turns out, 802.11 support needs a lot of rethinking on Linux, and softmac is a way of postponing that rethinking. |
| 04:02.17 | Flimzy | intrusive? |
| 04:03.07 | Flimzy | the dscape driver doesn't want to compile |
| 04:03.13 | Flimzy | I think I'll play with mythtv instead |
| 04:16.41 | pahartik | Flimzy: what kind of setup? |
| 04:17.16 | Flimzy | for which? |
| 04:17.33 | paulproteus|lapt | MythTV, I imagine. |
| 04:17.46 | pahartik | Flimzy: for MythTV |
| 04:18.00 | Flimzy | don't have a working setup yet... |
| 04:18.06 | Flimzy | still trying to get the ivtv drivers to work |
| 04:18.57 | pahartik | Flimzy: i have been using VDR for two years by now |
| 04:19.02 | Flimzy | VDR? |
| 04:19.56 | pahartik | Flimzy: Video Disk Recorder - http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ |
| 04:21.02 | pahartik | Flimzy: software to control DVB tuners |
| 04:23.19 | Flimzy | does it work with mythtv? or is it a replacement? |
| 04:24.53 | pahartik | Flimzy: VDR is same kind of application as MythTV |
| 04:25.43 | Flimzy | I think I'll stick witih mythtv... as I have more experience with it |
| 04:26.41 | Flimzy | Grrr |
| 04:26.45 | Flimzy | evvery other time I reboot, I have to run fsck |
| 04:26.57 | Flimzy | b/c it thinks the HD was modified in the future |
| 04:27.04 | Flimzy | on this powerbook... on my amd64, and on my i386 |
| 04:27.10 | Flimzy | makes no sense to me |
| 04:30.02 | pahartik | Flimzy: MythTV is interesting but no option for me... would not run on old 166 MHz and 200 MHz PowerPC (i use both as DVB servers) |
| 04:30.20 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 04:30.51 | Flimzy | Well.... I'll be doing HDTV output |
| 04:30.51 | Flimzy | so 166 and 200Mhz is way out of the question anyway |
| 04:34.34 | pahartik | Flimzy: i think those will be enough for HDTV too, but need tuner with HDMI or DVI output and HD capable hardware MPEG decoder on board |
| 04:35.18 | Flimzy | There aren't any consumer-grade hardware MPEG2 HDTV decoders... |
| 04:35.28 | Flimzy | nvidia can do MPEG2 acceleration with XvMC |
| 04:35.39 | Flimzy | But even there, 2Ghz is pretty much a bare minimum, from what people say |
| 04:35.48 | pahartik | Flimzy: not that i have plans on buying such thing yet... no HD capable monitor around either |
| 04:36.34 | Flimzy | The PVR350 has hardware MPEG decoding... but not at HD resolutions |
| 04:37.49 | pahartik | Flimzy: one of my DVB-C tuners does have hardware MPEG-2 decoder already |
| 04:38.24 | Flimzy | at what resolution, tho? |
| 04:38.36 | Flimzy | I sincerely doubt it's capable of 1920x1080 |
| 04:38.45 | pahartik | Flimzy: it is not |
| 04:39.10 | Flimzy | hehhe |
| 04:39.19 | Flimzy | I hope to get MythTV working with streaming video... |
| 04:39.25 | Flimzy | so I can use my DVR over the web |
| 04:39.30 | Flimzy | but that will be way down the road |
| 04:39.34 | Flimzy | gotta get IVTV working first |
| 04:40.24 | pahartik | Flimzy: video output it is normal (up to) 720x576 SD DVB resolution |
| 04:40.47 | Flimzy | ic |
| 04:40.59 | pahartik | Flimzy: it remains to be seen if any HD content will be available |
| 04:41.11 | Flimzy | where do you live? |
| 04:42.27 | pahartik | Flimzy: if broadcasters start using encryption that is not available as separate CAM... |
| 04:42.30 | Joersch | good morning @ all |
| 04:43.47 | Flimzy | I'm thinking of getting a mod for a cable box to receive un-encrypted HD content |
| 04:43.55 | Flimzy | ... once I can get myth working with the content I have now :) |
| 04:56.11 | pahartik | Flimzy: local DVB-C provider does not mention any HD content tests yet, local DVB-T provider is waiting for analog-switch-off (almost 1,75 years to go) to get free bandwidth for HD content |
| 04:57.58 | Flimzy | are you in the UK? |
| 04:59.31 | pahartik | Flimzy: i would be surprised if i manage to get HD capable hardware within 5 years... and content is probably ruined by proprietary encryption that requires 'approved black-box tuner' by then |
| 04:59.41 | pahartik | Flimzy: location is Finland |
| 04:59.59 | Flimzy | here in the U.S., off-air HD content is unencrypted by law |
| 05:00.40 | Flimzy | and the encrypted content has ways around the encryption.... with certian "approved" hardware that can be hacked |
| 05:02.21 | pahartik | Flimzy: i prefer decent standards over damn hacking tricks... :) |
| 05:02.32 | Flimzy | indeed |
| 05:02.40 | Flimzy | But those are becoming harder to find |
| 05:03.35 | Flimzy | and with stupid governments in charge where most of the new standards are developed (i.e. in the U.S.), it's not likely to get a whole lot better any time soon |
| 05:03.40 | pahartik | Flimzy: but maybe there is hope if HD content is enforced to be FTA by law |
| 05:05.17 | Flimzy | the next big nightmare will be whatever HD DVD format wins (or even if neither wins... they'll both have stupid DRM from the looks of things) |
| 05:05.25 | Flimzy | oh goody, a new version of ivtv |
| 05:05.28 | Flimzy | maybe it will work |
| 05:11.19 | pahartik | Flimzy: "ivtv" is driver for ATSC hardware? |
| 05:13.10 | Flimzy | It's for the Hauppauge PVR 150/250/350/500 |
| 05:13.14 | Flimzy | and perhaps others |
| 05:13.38 | pahartik | Flimzy: so it is analog something? |
| 05:13.42 | Flimzy | yeah |
| 05:13.46 | Flimzy | with hardware mpeg encoding |
| 05:13.58 | Flimzy | and the 350 has hardware mpeg decoding as well |
| 05:18.47 | Flimzy | woot |
| 05:18.57 | Flimzy | I think the new ivtv driver (and/or new kernel) fixed the probs I was having |
| 05:22.19 | paulproteus|lapt | Cha-cha-cha! |
| 05:52.44 | TBBle | Dang. Latest bcm43xx/dscape BUGged my kernel |
| 05:52.56 | TBBle | I hope my howto changes saved. |
| 05:53.23 | paulproteus|lapt | Me, too, TBBle. (-: |
| 05:56.06 | TBBle | Still, the procedure's down pat. I'm pretty sure I synced after doing the hard stuff |
| 06:01.41 | TBBle | Hmm. Apparently it's the dscape stack. |
| 06:01.52 | TBBle | The howto's still there, happily. |
| 06:17.37 | TBBle | Yup, it's 060105. 060102 works fine, or at least doesn't BUG. No wireless network here. |
| 06:19.06 | paulproteus|lapt | Try going more into the future; it's 060108 already. (-: |
| 06:19.32 | TBBle | There's no vanilla 060108 patch yet. |
| 06:19.44 | paulproteus|lapt | Oh, right, I forgot the vanilla requirement. |
| 06:19.44 | TBBle | Let me get these instructions wiki'd, and then we'll party on. |
| 06:19.50 | paulproteus|lapt | Party on! |
| 06:20.12 | TBBle | I can prolly do it from the snapshots, but it might take more work. |
| 06:20.26 | TBBle | In fact, if the headers haven't changed, it'll be really easy. |
| 06:48.23 | TBBle | http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver/Debian_Unstable_with_Devicescape_802.11_stack |
| 06:51.18 | TBBle | paulproteus|lapt: You're on crack. There's no devicescape stack since 060105... |
| 06:51.36 | paulproteus|lapt | TBBle: I was just thinking via svn. |
| 06:51.47 | paulproteus|lapt | TBBle: However, I may still be on crack. |
| 06:51.48 | TBBle | Where's the devicescape SVN? |
| 06:52.01 | paulproteus|lapt | bcm43xx svn under branches/dscape/ |
| 06:53.29 | TBBle | Isn't that just the bcm43xx driver's dscape branch? |
| 06:53.51 | paulproteus|lapt | *Oh*, sorry, thinko on my part. |
| 06:54.42 | TBBle | Heh. Although I'm glad you send me there, looks like they've got a slightly better add_sta.c there. |
| 06:58.56 | TBBle | Yup. The same, but it doesn't segfault when you're missing parameters. |
| 07:01.44 | paulproteus|lapt | That's a nice bonus. (-: |
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| 10:38.04 | bragon | hello |
| 10:38.10 | bragon | anywone use MOL here ? |
| 10:39.47 | dondelelcaro | @anyone |
| 10:39.48 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:41.29 | bragon | ok ok ... |
| 10:41.40 | bragon | i'm not english so my english is very bad |
| 10:41.53 | bragon | so i have a powerbook with a debian unstable with a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 10:42.05 | bragon | i have build the mol module it's ok it's work |
| 10:42.20 | bragon | but when i want to run osx under my debian i have many errors |
| 10:42.23 | bragon | the errors are : |
| 10:42.36 | bragon | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 10:42.36 | bragon | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 10:42.36 | bragon | Could not connect to X server :0.0 |
| 10:42.36 | bragon | Could not open driver 'drivers/video.x': No such file or directory |
| 10:42.36 | bragon | Fullscreen video on VT 8. |
| 10:42.38 | bragon | ==== |
| 10:42.48 | bragon | Could not open '/var/lib/mol/console.kbd' |
| 10:42.48 | bragon | Video driver(s): [console_video] |
| 10:42.50 | bragon | === |
| 10:43.04 | bragon | >> MacOS X Boot Loader 0.9.70 [96MB memory map patch] |
| 10:43.04 | bragon | >> Candidate boot volume: /mol-blk@0/disk@0:0 |
| 10:43.04 | bragon | >> /mol-blk@0/disk@0:0,\mach_kernel (3872560 bytes) |
| 10:43.04 | bragon | >> --> Boot loader failure: failed to load linux side mkext |
| 10:43.06 | bragon | === |
| 10:43.12 | bragon | </flood> |
| 10:43.14 | bragon | === |
| 10:43.16 | bragon | sorry |
| 10:43.38 | bragon | for the first i imagine that mol use as X |
| 10:43.47 | bragon | i must stop my X in order to use mol ? |
| 10:44.59 | bragon | ravenbird is my question understandable ? |
| 10:45.01 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, bragon |
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| 10:45.33 | bragon | hum a bot ... |
| 10:46.54 | bragon | dondelelcaro do you use mol .? |
| 10:51.39 | rilatto | It's my first time trying to set up Sid on my PB and I'm finding a lot of dependencies problems. Shall I report them on BTS or not? |
| 10:52.53 | bragon | i have a powerbook and i'm using sid i haven't dependencies problems |
| 10:53.48 | rilatto | bragon mine then must be an special case... apt-get install gmone => crash |
| 10:54.12 | rilatto | about 10 dependencies umet |
| 10:54.14 | bragon | i test |
| 10:55.02 | rilatto | I've tried diferent mirrors with the same results... |
| 10:55.07 | bragon | i don't have any packet gmone |
| 10:55.18 | rilatto | gnome sorry... |
| 10:55.24 | bragon | arf |
| 10:55.26 | rilatto | pffff.... |
| 10:56.23 | rilatto | libgnomeui-0: Depends: libgnomeui-common (= 2.10.1-1) but it is not going to be installed ; Candidate: 2.12.0-2 |
| 10:56.31 | rilatto | for example... |
| 10:59.03 | rilatto | but talking in general: umet dependencies in Sid, shall be or not reported? |
| 10:59.33 | TBBle | bragon: Firstly, you need to make the mol binary setuid root. |
| 10:59.56 | TBBle | bragon: Secondly, you appear to be missing mol-drivers-macosx I think. |
| 11:00.11 | rilatto | TBBle this mornig I installed X system ok. |
| 11:00.12 | bragon | TBBle: it's ever done |
| 11:00.22 | bragon | TBBle: secondary i have the drivers |
| 11:00.57 | TBBle | OK. Well, don't run MOL as root, run it as the logged-in user. |
| 11:01.34 | bragon | same error |
| 11:02.17 | TBBle | rilatto: I doubt it needs reporting, it looks like autobuilder lag again. libgnomeui-common is arch:all, libgnomeui-0 is architecture specific. |
| 11:02.29 | TBBle | Try running xterm |
| 11:02.55 | dondelelcaro | rilatto: things are not always installable in unstable, unfortunatly... If you run into that problem, try adding a testing source, or installing one of the previous versions |
| 11:02.56 | TBBle | (That was to bragon) |
| 11:03.42 | bragon | TBBle: i'm under xterm at the moment :) |
| 11:03.51 | dondelelcaro | rilatto: the only time that it's worth filing a bug is when its a package that has been removed entirely or is no longer being built (IE, the package which it depends hasn't been uploaded or isn't in NEW or experimental) |
| 11:04.22 | TBBle | bragon: Run one from there. It should also failed with Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 11:04.44 | bragon | TBBle i run 11:03 -!- aazeazea [azeazeaze@77371C95.7FFFFCB9.393FD48A.IP] |
| 11:04.44 | bragon | 11:03 -!- ircname : eazeazeaze |
| 11:04.44 | bragon | 11:03 -!- modes : |
| 11:04.49 | bragon | Sorry :/ |
| 11:04.55 | bragon | a bad paste |
| 11:04.55 | TBBle | dondelelcaro: In this case, they come from the same source, and it's version-skew.... |
| 11:04.59 | bragon | i'm sorry excuse me :x |
| 11:07.11 | bragon | TBBle: http://cwiki.geeknode.org/~bragon/mediawiki-1.5.2/index.php/Mol |
| 11:07.38 | rilatto | thanks for advice. |
| 11:08.25 | bragon | TBBle with this page you could see all the erros and the commands i run in a xterm terminal |
| 11:08.31 | bragon | not in root |
| 11:10.30 | TBBle | "-----> drivers/mods1.mkext: No such file or directory" says you don't have mol-drivers-macosx installed. You say you do. One of you is wrong or lying. |
| 11:11.52 | bragon | :/ |
| 11:12.03 | bragon | i have build the modules |
| 11:12.14 | bragon | and after apt-get the macosx drivers |
| 11:13.48 | bragon | mol-drivers-macos i can find this packet but not mol-drivers-macosx |
| 11:13.56 | TBBle | ls -l /usr/share/mol/drivers/mods1.mkext |
| 11:14.11 | TBBle | That's the problem then. |
| 11:14.25 | TBBle | You need mol-drivers-macosx. It's in contrib, or non-free I think. |
| 11:14.53 | bragon | ok i search the packet |
| 11:15.37 | bragon | http://ftp.crihan.fr/debian/pool/non-free/m/mol-drivers-macosx/ |
| 11:16.08 | TBBle | There. It's in non-free |
| 11:16.17 | bragon | exactely |
| 11:16.25 | bragon | the macos is free but not macosx |
| 11:17.09 | TBBle | Yeah. The MacOSX stuff is under the Apple Public Source License, which isn't DFSG-free |
| 11:17.40 | TBBle | I dunno what license the MacOS stuff is under. |
| 11:17.55 | bragon | mol looks work ;) |
| 11:20.00 | bragon | do you manage to make work the airport with mol TBBle ? |
| 11:21.00 | TBBle | Nope. I didn't want to screw around with the PCI-proxy stuff for MOL, given the Debian packages are basically unmaintained, and I have the bcm43xx driver working in linux anyway, so MacOSX can bridge via the tun driver. |
| 11:21.52 | bragon | TBBle ARF |
| 11:22.05 | bragon | i don't manage to make work my bcm43xx drivers |
| 11:22.17 | bragon | could you help me for this or not ? |
| 11:22.27 | bragon | i have all the tarball |
| 11:22.32 | TBBle | Did you follow my guide? |
| 11:22.36 | bragon | but i don't manage to build the module |
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| 11:22.42 | TBBle | http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver/Debian_Unstable_with_Devicescape_802.11_stack |
| 11:22.48 | bragon | TBBle i don't find any guide for that |
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| 11:23.50 | bragon | so i must to recompile my kernel :/ |
| 11:24.01 | bragon | i don't have the good patch :x |
| 11:24.13 | Makeio | hello! |
| 11:24.21 | TBBle | You don't have to recompile your kernel. |
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| 11:26.14 | bragon | TBBle ha i can patch without recompil ? |
| 11:28.30 | TBBle | Follow the guide I linked less than 10 lines ago. |
| 11:29.42 | bragon | ok thank you for your help |
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| 11:47.17 | TBBle | No wuckers. Let me know how it goes, the guide's only been tested twice so far. |
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| 11:57.39 | ctr | Can someone point me in the direction of getting dvd support working ? |
| 11:59.37 | TBBle | Uh, DVD support working how? |
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| 14:53.00 | Bor_Ed | nice update on sid today... why it want's to install xf86 though? |
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| 15:12.45 | TBBle | Bor_Ed: Uh? apt-get dependancy panic, prolly. Do the upgrade by hand, and it should stop trying to barf with xfree86. |
| 15:13.17 | Bor_Ed | naa, I'll dist-upgrade and see what breaks up this time :D |
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| 17:53.29 | miriam | hello |
| 17:53.35 | paulproteus|lapt | Hello mir. |
| 17:53.40 | paulproteus|lapt | miriam, even. |
| 17:54.07 | miriam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.53 | miriam | is an powerbook 5.8 |
| 17:54.59 | miriam | one of the lastest versions |
| 17:55.19 | paulproteus|lapt | miriam: What's the trouble? |
| 17:56.00 | miriam | i tryed a few weeks ago but i think that the new powerbooks need an specific kernel |
| 17:56.08 | miriam | i tryed with the ubuntu creezy |
| 17:56.20 | miriam | with a debian bussinesscard too |
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| 18:00.38 | miriam | is there someone there? |
| 18:00.57 | SimonRaven | miriam: try etch (testing), sarge kernel might be a bit too old |
| 18:01.30 | miriam | i did simonraven |
| 18:02.38 | miriam | i've just tried to boot from a debian testing bussinesscard |
| 18:02.43 | SimonRaven | ask in #debian-boot, or wait until pahartik shows his face (ping pahartik ;), or demon or chrisa |
| 18:04.06 | chrisa | Haven't worked with the newer pbooks unfortunately |
| 18:05.07 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 18:05.14 | SimonRaven | :/ |
| 18:05.24 | SimonRaven | miriam: saw chrisa there? |
| 18:05.58 | miriam | yes |
| 18:06.22 | chrisa | But what about it doesn't work? |
| 18:06.30 | chrisa | No boot screen? Install doesn't initialize? |
| 18:06.32 | miriam | sorry? |
| 18:06.57 | miriam | i used differents isos but they don't recognize any device |
| 18:07.28 | paulproteus|lapt | miriam: Try the Ubuntu Dapp preview? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight2 |
| 18:08.04 | paulproteus|lapt | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-2/ rather |
| 18:08.23 | miriam | whats that? sorry i am new in that world... |
| 18:08.37 | miriam | but i'd like to install debian |
| 18:08.46 | paulproteus|lapt | Ubuntu Dapper Flight 2 is the second alpha of the 2006-04 Ubuntu release. |
| 18:09.00 | paulproteus|lapt | There should be a solution within the Debian world, too. |
| 18:09.08 | chrisa | Trying ubuntu would help with narrowing down the problem |
| 18:09.38 | miriam | o |
| 18:10.02 | chrisa | May also want to check the debian ppc lists to see if anyone else has reported issues with that line |
| 18:10.30 | miriam | i did |
| 18:10.50 | miriam | i am looking now it too |
| 18:11.07 | miriam | sorry, today my english is bit slept >;p |
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| 18:55.41 | meo | some people with ibook experiences here? |
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| 19:01.19 | stegbth | hello |
| 19:01.51 | stegbth | where can i download the 2.6.14 for ppc sarge (prep ppc)? |
| 19:02.43 | stegbth | is it then enough to copy it with dd .. of=/dev/sda1 ? which is my prep-boot partition? |
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| 22:24.11 | makeio | anybody have a powerbookg4 874, can you send me your .config of 2.6.x kernel? |
| 22:24.49 | bragon | i have this if you really want makeio |
| 22:25.06 | bragon | but it's not Very optimus |
| 22:25.11 | bragon | but it's work perfectly |
| 22:25.49 | makeio | no problem |
| 22:25.54 | makeio | please send me |
| 22:27.12 | bragon | email please |
| 22:27.32 | makeio | pedascoll at gmail dot com |
| 22:27.49 | bragon | it's for a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 22:28.12 | makeio | ok it's perfect |
| 22:28.20 | makeio | powrboook g4 |
| 22:28.24 | makeio | 12 inch |
| 22:28.42 | makeio | ? |
| 22:30.04 | bragon | powerbook G4 17" |
| 22:30.09 | bragon | but it's the same |
| 22:30.20 | bragon | makeio: it's send |
| 22:30.26 | bragon | say me if it's ok |
| 22:30.28 | makeio | thank-u |
| 22:30.34 | makeio | ok |
| 22:30.41 | makeio | ;) |
| 22:30.49 | bragon | with frequency scaling and energy gestion |
| 22:31.56 | stegbth | the powerbook g4 is a chrp machine? so it works with a bootloader? |
| 22:33.49 | bragon | yaboot ? |
| 22:34.12 | bragon | i'm using yaboot |
| 22:34.33 | SimonRaven | it's a powermac machine. it's chrp/prep mix |
| 22:34.57 | stegbth | i am fighting here with a motorola mtx ppc 604 200mhz machine |
| 22:35.29 | stegbth | i am unable to bring a kernel to the prep boot partition with debian sarge |
| 22:36.41 | SimonRaven | it's not prep, nor is it chrp |
| 22:36.59 | SimonRaven | oh, never mind, different box |
| 22:36.59 | stegbth | im even unable to boot the installed system, cause the install-kernel - booted via bootp/tftp - from vmlinuz-prep.initrd runs with several modules |
| 22:37.33 | stegbth | so i dont know how to load the modules and switch afterwards to /dev/sda4 |
| 22:37.39 | stegbth | any ideas? |
| 22:37.57 | SimonRaven | @any ideas? |
| 22:37.57 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 42 rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:38.28 | SimonRaven | root= initrd= etc. ; man bootstrap |
| 22:40.05 | stegbth | SimonRaven, howto load the initrd via tftp? |
| 22:40.22 | stegbth | i dont have a bootstrap? do you mean debootstrap? |
| 22:40.34 | stegbth | the system is already installed, but i am unable to boot it. |
| 22:41.12 | stegbth | i can boot the install-system and switch afterwards with alt+f2, mount /dev/scsi/host.../part4 /target; chroot /target there |
| 22:41.30 | stegbth | i want it to boot directly of the disk. |
| 22:41.58 | SimonRaven | do you have a dhcpd running? is it configured? do you have a kernel in /tftpboot? |
| 22:42.17 | stegbth | i tried also to compile this way my own kernel (2.6.15 and 2.6.8-debian), but both stops with a internal gcc error |
| 22:42.44 | stegbth | yes i have a tftp and a dhcp3 running. i can start the vmlinuz-prep.initrd from there. the installation is running. |
| 22:42.45 | SimonRaven | that's conflicting targets. you netboot, then continue off disk, or you boot off disk. you can't do both at once |
| 22:42.54 | stegbth | but it doesn't make the system bootable :( |
| 22:43.08 | SimonRaven | no, have you read the install guide yet? |
| 22:43.26 | stegbth | yes |
| 22:43.30 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 22:43.31 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
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| 22:44.55 | stegbth | i dont run my processor higher than allowed |
| 22:46.21 | stegbth | i have to copy my kernel with dd if=kernel.prep of=/dev/sda1 to there. but debian-sarge has only a moduled kernel, where the driver for the sym-scsi and ext3 are modules. |
| 22:47.02 | stegbth | so initrd is needed, but if i understand correctly prep doesn't work with initrd, or i am wrong? |
| 22:48.34 | stegbth | SimonRaven, what are conflicting targets? |
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| 22:59.47 | makeio | i have a problem, i make a bzImage and now i don't find it, i find in 7usr/src/linux.../arch/ppc/boot/ |
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| 23:15.54 | stegbth | will give up for today |
| 23:15.55 | stegbth | <PROTECTED> |
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