| 00:00.07 | Caroch | brb |
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| 00:07.56 | Caroch | so I'd like to install the fuse module. I'm running debian stable ppc. following the advice of somebody here, I installed kernel-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc. indeed now I can compile fuse. however "modprobe fuse" fails with "Invalid module format" and at the end of what dmesg says I can read "fuse: version magic '2.6.12-1-powerpc gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.12-1-powerpc gcc-4.0'". what can I do ? |
| 00:11.59 | Caroch | can I compile my own 2.6.12-1 kernel with gcc 3.3 ? if so, how ?\ |
| 00:12.12 | Caroch | (I mean, with apt-*) |
| 00:23.22 | SimonRaven | yes. FYI, that means the module and kernel were compiled with different gcc version, and therefore refuses to load it. |
| 00:23.29 | SimonRaven | @tell Caroch -about kp |
| 00:39.57 | Caroch | and how can I compile it with the exact same options as debian used when creating linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc ? |
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| 02:26.09 | Caroch | well, if somebody wants to help me install shfs or sshfs on a debian stable ppc, I'll be very happy. |
| 02:30.27 | SimonRaven | use the debian .config |
| 02:30.52 | SimonRaven | shfs: use module-assistant |
| 02:34.59 | Caroch | module-assistant fails because it can't find kernel-headers-2.6.8. then someone here advised me to switch to linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc, which I did. now module-assistant fails because I don't have gcc-4.0. |
| 02:35.38 | Caroch | where can I find the debian .config ? |
| 02:36.52 | SimonRaven | from /boot |
| 02:37.07 | Caroch | ok, thanks |
| 03:31.50 | demon | anyone know what's up with the latest packages in sid for PPC? it wants to take out gnomemeeting and fam and some virtual packages... is it all kosher? |
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| 03:46.51 | SimonRaven | demon: fam is dead, gamin is the replacement |
| 03:47.13 | SimonRaven | the replaces: and such are ok, everything works out |
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| 05:11.06 | Caroch | ouch, perhaps I should have configured my kernel manually instead of copying the default debian config file... it takes forever to compile |
| 05:11.43 | xwl | just the first time takes long, i think :) |
| 05:15.09 | Caroch | unfortunately I don't plan to do it twice. :) |
| 05:20.57 | xwl | but there are always situations that require you to do. :) |
| 05:21.25 | xwl | it depends, though. But true for me. |
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| 10:43.28 | pflanze | Hello. What about the hdparm setting "IO_support" on macs? On my BlueG3, it's set to "0 (default 16-bit)" |
| 10:43.42 | pflanze | Doesn't this seem slow? |
| 10:47.10 | SimonRaven | so set it |
| 10:50.20 | pflanze | I was wondering whether it was dangerous. Considering that the docs say that usually the right mode would be choosen anyway and one shouldn't play with it. |
| 10:51.59 | SimonRaven | 'chosen'. and that is safe, certain ones that aren't are marked DANGEROUS or * in hdparm --help (can't recall exactly, it'll tell you) |
| 10:54.40 | pflanze | ah, I was reading the -p option in man hdparm. |
| 10:54.46 | pflanze | Whereas the right one is -c I guess. |
| 10:55.22 | pflanze | ok thanks SimonRaven, also for correcting my english. |
| 10:57.59 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 13:19.06 | noahb | I am trying to resurrect a dead mac (beige G3) and the CD won't boot... it won't boot off the HD, and all I have is a floppy, (and I heard there was some sort of a grub-like built in shell.) |
| 13:19.19 | Bor_Ed | it won't boot from linux cd |
| 13:19.30 | Bor_Ed | grub like built in shell is OF |
| 13:19.41 | Bor_Ed | alt+apple+o+f after 'boing' at boot |
| 13:19.51 | noahb | Thanks |
| 13:20.57 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 13:21.47 | Bor_Ed | btw, run system disk apple floppy before trying to install linux, it's available in dd'able form at http://simonraven.nuit.ca |
| 13:22.28 | noahb | Thank you! I went hunting through all my junk looking for one of those... |
| 13:23.16 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 13:29.38 | noahb | Where is it, exactly? I searched for "system disk" and I get a tutorial that tells me I shouldnt use dd one the provided image. |
| 13:30.03 | Bor_Ed | a sec |
| 13:30.44 | Bor_Ed | or 5 |
| 13:31.42 | Bor_Ed | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/src/macos/disktools8+systemdisk.img |
| 13:31.51 | Bor_Ed | that's dd'able I recall |
| 13:31.56 | noahb | Thanks |
| 13:32.12 | Bor_Ed | np |
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| 13:40.10 | noahb | Is there something |
| 13:40.16 | noahb | I have to do to |
| 13:40.24 | noahb | get it to boot from the floppy? |
| 13:40.40 | Bor_Ed | dd it and put to drive |
| 13:42.26 | noahb | Must be something wrong with my setup then _ |
| 13:42.36 | noahb | Or dust or something |
| 13:42.46 | Bor_Ed | hmm, lessee if it really was a dd'able |
| 13:43.13 | Bor_Ed | does it spit the floppy out or just hangs? |
| 13:43.31 | noahb | Just hangs |
| 13:43.49 | noahb | It clicks once, then tries the CD |
| 13:43.54 | Bor_Ed | prolly a faulty floppy |
| 13:44.06 | Bor_Ed | the disk is dd'able... |
| 13:44.21 | noahb | Well, I just made another :-) |
| 13:45.05 | noahb | Same thing... |
| 13:45.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, you could try to get the box back on track by keeping alt+apple+p+r down for 5 boings on the boot and release |
| 13:45.40 | Bor_Ed | (resets the pram settings) |
| 13:47.38 | noahb | Well, I did that. |
| 13:47.57 | Bor_Ed | it should boot from floppy now if it ain't broken |
| 13:48.03 | noahb | Doesnt seem to be booting, maybe I should make another disk |
| 13:48.22 | Bor_Ed | yup... oldworld macs tend to have issues with floppies :) |
| 13:53.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm, nappy time, I've slept 3 hours in last ~48 |
| 13:56.00 | noahb | :-D |
| 13:56.33 | noahb | Thank you and have fun on your nap |
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| 15:53.25 | noahb | Hello people. |
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| 17:52.59 | mrwick | so, if I were to desire to acquire a new PPC machine in, say, 5 years to replace my PowerBook G4.. will I have a choice? |
| 17:53.09 | mrwick | and if so, what do y'all think it will be? |
| 17:53.46 | Bor_Ed | www.pegasosppc.com |
| 17:53.54 | Bor_Ed | they'll have a lappien in 5 years |
| 17:57.51 | mirak | mrwick: why would you want to stick to ppc ? |
| 17:58.26 | Bor_Ed | prolly bacause of sparc lappies are still power hungry :) |
| 17:59.46 | mrwick | Bor_Ed : thanx! |
| 18:00.14 | mrwick | mirak : politics :-P |
| 18:00.33 | Bor_Ed | no prob |
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| 18:51.14 | SimonRaven | hardly politics... ppc cpus are better at power consumption (except maybe 970, but that even has stuff x86 64 doesn't) |
| 18:53.17 | Bor_Ed | 970mp has pretty decent power rating |
| 18:53.40 | Bor_Ed | and if one doesn't need 64 bits, mpc8641d does decent performance too |
| 18:55.50 | SimonRaven | the cpu itself is below a p4, but a p4 is still 32 bit ;) |
| 18:56.14 | SimonRaven | i mean in terms of power consumption per hour |
| 18:56.23 | Bor_Ed | so is mpc... just dualcore and 10W/GHz |
| 18:56.37 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 18:56.46 | SimonRaven | mpc, freescale? |
| 18:56.50 | Bor_Ed | the same |
| 18:56.59 | Bor_Ed | google/search e600 dualcore |
| 18:57.08 | SimonRaven | meegwetch :) |
| 18:57.11 | Bor_Ed | ibm has done decent job on the 970mp too though |
| 18:58.33 | SimonRaven | Reliability 10 yrs at 105°C |
| 18:58.35 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 18:59.07 | Bor_Ed | that's ok for passively cooled cpu I'd say |
| 18:59.14 | SimonRaven | what, 20+ years at ~30 C ? ;) |
| 18:59.40 | Bor_Ed | I've managed to get this clocked up ppc up to 54C peak... still at least 15 years to live |
| 19:01.16 | SimonRaven | i freak if it hits 40 :) |
| 19:01.33 | Bor_Ed | I had amd k6-3 constantly at ~70 :D |
| 19:01.59 | Bor_Ed | during winter this box heats up to 28-32C on cpuburn |
| 19:03.27 | SimonRaven | wow |
| 19:04.01 | Bor_Ed | we had 30+ atmospheric temp inside last summer so it heated up the box a bit too |
| 19:04.23 | SimonRaven | yeh us too |
| 19:05.34 | Bor_Ed | anyway, I wonder when genesi or some other ppc maker gets a first ppc lappie built... there are several cpus currently suitable for the task |
| 19:06.20 | Bor_Ed | been way too long since ibm had its lappies and they never went for end users |
| 19:10.16 | SimonRaven | ppc ones anyway. they have those crappy x86 based ones |
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| 19:10.37 | Bor_Ed | well, like I was talking about x86 ones :D |
| 19:12.19 | SimonRaven | heehee |
| 19:13.07 | Bor_Ed | the genesi mpc5200 board would fit to a lappie case but it's only 466MHz 603e based controller |
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| 19:17.01 | SimonRaven | oh |
| 19:17.20 | Bor_Ed | they have the announce an availability on the site |
| 19:17.35 | Bor_Ed | 15k usd for 50 boards minimum order :I |
| 19:17.52 | Bor_Ed | though we have 50 users on chan easily so lets all get one? :D |
| 19:21.28 | SimonRaven | hehe :) |
| 19:21.55 | Bor_Ed | some victim in yankees can get the order and ship the boards globally, prob solved |
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| 19:26.08 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Blog/ |
| 19:26.13 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 19:26.38 | SimonRaven | last few post are new from today |
| 19:26.42 | SimonRaven | posts |
| 19:26.47 | Corsac | mpf |
| 19:27.02 | Bor_Ed | yer site seems to be a bit slow :o |
| 19:27.05 | Corsac | lastest softmac snapshot hangs my powerbook |
| 19:27.22 | SimonRaven | i know, i still need to tweak mod_perl |
| 19:27.31 | Bor_Ed | hmm, some spamming? |
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| 19:29.30 | SimonRaven | no, i need to balance the number of preloaded modules to load, so that a) it's balanced between such and such modules, being preloaded b) and memory use, so as to minimise swapping |
| 19:31.01 | SimonRaven | preloading seepds up the compilation of the modules, but if too many are loaded, then it makes it swap |
| 19:31.04 | SimonRaven | gah |
| 19:31.07 | SimonRaven | @shoot my typist |
| 19:32.15 | SimonRaven | Swap: 511992k total, 185740k used, 326252k free, 128240k cached |
| 19:32.26 | Bor_Ed | bah, |
| 19:32.27 | SimonRaven | Mem: 514096k total, 449484k used, 64612k free, 20k buffers |
| 19:32.32 | Bor_Ed | that's 3 times the ram I have :) |
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| 19:32.56 | SimonRaven | it's a busy machine. runs several high mem consumption daemons |
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| 19:33.06 | SimonRaven | s/several/a few/ |
| 19:33.30 | SimonRaven | apt: you got it right this time |
| 19:33.38 | Bor_Ed | gee :) |
| 19:34.00 | Bor_Ed | heaviest thingy running on my server prolly is the proftpd :D |
| 19:34.14 | avar | If I want to install Mac OS X, NetBSD and GNU/Linux using grub as a bootloader I should do it in that order, right? |
| 19:34.26 | SimonRaven | apache2 + php + mod_perl2; postgres; mysql; |
| 19:34.31 | Bor_Ed | grub is ported to ppc? well, yea |
| 19:34.36 | SimonRaven | grub doesn't work on ppc |
| 19:34.41 | SimonRaven | grub2 yes |
| 19:34.41 | avar | eh fuck |
| 19:34.48 | avar | yaboot I mean |
| 19:34.51 | SimonRaven | grub2 isn't in debian yet |
| 19:34.51 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:34.57 | SimonRaven | ah, yeh :) |
| 19:34.59 | Bor_Ed | well yea, the order was right anyway |
| 19:35.04 | avar | mm |
| 19:35.25 | avar | OSX is the only one that thinks "woo, boot sector, that must be mine *writes to it*" right? |
| 19:35.43 | Bor_Ed | yup, others ask kindly if they could possibly write there |
| 19:35.58 | avar | woo, as I thought;) |
| 19:36.03 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 21:48.59 | Flimzy | Hrm! I was able to associate with one AP here at work... altho the one that doesn't have a useable internet connection |
| 21:49.11 | Flimzy | Then when I tried the other one, the machine locked up agian |
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| 21:50.40 | Flimzy | I keep getting this message in dmesg: |
| 21:50.41 | Flimzy | SoftMAC: cannot associate without being authenticated, requested authentication |
| 21:50.51 | Flimzy | Why is it doing this on a wireless network that is unencrypted? |
| 21:56.38 | SimonRaven | encryption != authentification. though i wouldn't do the latter without the former, or some kind of non-cleartext password set up |
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| 23:02.02 | Joersch_ | hi all |
| 23:03.52 | Flimzy | grr |
| 23:03.52 | Flimzy | can't download the softmac snapshots |
| 23:04.22 | Joersch_ | how can i tell an oldworld powerbook to boot from cd?? |
| 23:06.56 | Flimzy | Shake your finger wildly while shouting "Boot from this CD!" |
| 23:08.09 | Joersch_ | are you sure it will help ? |
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| 23:11.47 | Joersch_ | Flimzy, okay... thx... it worked fine, while pushing the right button |
| 23:14.28 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 23:17.38 | Joersch_ | another question... is there a channel of nupus-mac ? |
| 23:19.19 | Flimzy | dunno |
| 23:19.24 | Flimzy | I'm rather new to the mac stuff |
| 23:20.43 | Joersch_ | okay |
| 23:38.27 | Flimzy | I guess sipsolutions.net is down |
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