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| 00:12.58 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 00:13.12 | Rawplayer | which drivers do i need for sound on my g4 qs? |
| 00:13.25 | Rawplayer | on osx i had a little bit of sound comming out of my mac |
| 00:24.59 | pahartik | Rawplayer: "snd-powermac" |
| 00:25.24 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 00:25.29 | Rawplayer | i thought i had it compiled |
| 00:25.32 | Rawplayer | but i didnt |
| 00:27.37 | pahartik | Rawplayer: "grep CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC /boot/config-$(uname --release)" |
| 00:28.04 | Rawplayer | root@appeltje:/usr/src/linux# grep CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC .config |
| 00:28.04 | Rawplayer | CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC=y |
| 00:28.04 | Rawplayer | CONFIG_SND_POWERMAC_AUTO_DRC=y |
| 00:28.06 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 00:28.10 | Rawplayer | compiling finished |
| 00:28.12 | Rawplayer | gonne reboot |
| 00:33.06 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 00:33.17 | Rawplayer | pahartik: its doesnt have anything todo with alsa right? |
| 00:33.54 | pahartik | Rawplayer: it is ALSA driver |
| 00:34.07 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 00:34.51 | pahartik | Rawplayer: ...for various types of PowerMacintosh audio hardware |
| 00:35.45 | Rawplayer | so i also should be able to use amixer/alsamixer? |
| 00:36.49 | pahartik | Rawplayer: yes |
| 00:42.50 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 00:42.52 | Rawplayer | still not working |
| 00:49.34 | Rawplayer | access("/etc/asound.conf", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.38 | Rawplayer | access("/root/.asoundrc", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.41 | Rawplayer | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.44 | Rawplayer | open("/dev/aloadC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.47 | Rawplayer | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.50 | Rawplayer | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.53 | Rawplayer | open("/dev/aloadC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:49.56 | Rawplayer | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 01:12.45 | Rawplayer | wierd |
| 01:12.54 | Rawplayer | i have enabled everything in the alsa part |
| 01:13.01 | Rawplayer | and the mac driver parth for soundcards |
| 01:13.06 | Rawplayer | also isc |
| 01:13.10 | Rawplayer | i2c i mean |
| 02:32.44 | chrisa | hmm, bcm43xx is giving me hell |
| 02:53.07 | dj-death | rt2570 too ... |
| 02:58.48 | Rawplayer | :? |
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| 06:09.07 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | current release: 2.6.14 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | Airport Extreme driver: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ and http://tinyurl.com/8dpmt and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-409194.html | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg ravenbird 2006 key |
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| 09:29.27 | johill | Corsac: I think what you mailed me helps. it'd be nicer if I could read the data dump easier, but such is life... :) |
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| 09:51.47 | pillage | evening. anyone who knows anything about pbbuttons? |
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| 11:33.41 | Bor_Ed | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9498492377.html hmm, decent hackable ppc at $240 |
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| 11:49.39 | dj-death | 266MHz PowerPC processor??? |
| 11:49.39 | dj-death | decent ?? |
| 11:49.42 | dj-death | wth ? |
| 11:53.02 | Bor_Ed | embedded thingy :) |
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| 12:25.41 | oo0_JeS_0oo | when entering /trunk/driver and "make" it, it returns this error: |
| 12:25.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | make[2]: *** [/usr/src/linux-2.6.15-rc7/airport/source/trunk/driver/bcm43xx_wx.o] Error 1 |
| 12:25.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/linux-2.6.15-rc7/airport/source/trunk/driver] Error 2 |
| 12:25.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | make[1]: se sale del directorio `/usr/src/linux-2.6.15-rc7' |
| 12:25.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | make: *** [modules] Error 2 |
| 12:26.08 | oo0_JeS_0oo | what could be the problem?? |
| 12:26.44 | oo0_JeS_0oo | is it about a driver broken release?? |
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| 12:45.05 | _rene_ | oo0_JeS_0oo: a) peaste in a sensible language |
| 12:45.09 | _rene_ | oo0_JeS_0oo: b) don't paste here |
| 12:45.32 | _rene_ | oo0_JeS_0oo: c) you want to point to your correct kernel sources |
| 12:46.00 | oo0_JeS_0oo | sorry |
| 12:46.59 | oo0_JeS_0oo | but do you think it is a driver's issue?? |
| 12:47.21 | _rene_ | no |
| 12:47.42 | _rene_ | as I already said with c) |
| 12:48.10 | _rene_ | and copying the driver into the kernel tree doesn't make that much sense anyway |
| 12:48.13 | oo0_JeS_0oo | so, how can I do to correct that?? |
| 12:48.31 | _rene_ | oo0_JeS_0oo: check it out, point it to the correct dir |
| 12:48.45 | _rene_ | look at the Makefile. or use a kernel which has a correct /build symlink... |
| 12:52.31 | oo0_JeS_0oo | sorry man, I will never paste there |
| 12:52.39 | oo0_JeS_0oo | thanks anyway |
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| 13:15.51 | oo0_JeS_0oo | _rene_: help me, please I had previously compiled the driver with this kernel so I don't know why now does not want to compile... |
| 13:18.49 | TBBle | The test you pasted above indicates that an error occurred a line or two above the text you pasted. You might want to paste the _whole_ error into a pastebot or similar (see the topic) so that you can get helped fixing it. |
| 13:19.25 | johill | but set LC_ALL=C before or something so the error messages make sense |
| 13:19.26 | Corsac | johill: i've run you command and used your Makefile, so I thought it enabled debugging but maybe... |
| 13:19.41 | Corsac | btw, I've completely cleaned my modules folder and reinstalled everything |
| 13:19.45 | Corsac | and now I'm connected |
| 13:19.47 | johill | Corsac: dunno then. may well be a bug in my makefile |
| 13:19.47 | Corsac | so.. |
| 13:19.59 | johill | so you're saying it doesn't crash with that |
| 13:20.06 | _rene_ | johill: is there softmac snapshots without the kernel 80211 somewhere? |
| 13:20.19 | _rene_ | johill: or do you need that specific one because it's patched? |
| 13:20.30 | johill | _rene_: right. the latter, you need these patched ones |
| 13:20.46 | johill | I know, that's suboptimal. I'm hoping for the patches to go upstream |
| 13:21.01 | Corsac | johill: i'll see if it doesnt crash next time and let you know |
| 13:21.03 | _rene_ | aha |
| 13:21.06 | _rene_ | but.... |
| 13:21.06 | johill | (they were submitted. but hey, no one seems to really care, not even the maintainers) |
| 13:21.09 | _rene_ | it works. |
| 13:21.11 | _rene_ | ;-) |
| 13:21.17 | johill | what works? |
| 13:21.25 | _rene_ | the driver. ;) |
| 13:21.25 | johill | Corsac: ok |
| 13:21.33 | johill | without the ieee80211 from softmac? |
| 13:21.41 | oo0_JeS_0oo | the whole error is there http://pastebin.com/505267 |
| 13:21.42 | _rene_ | johill: no, with. the whole stuff :) |
| 13:22.10 | _rene_ | johill: the iee80211 stuff was just for clarifying whether I really need it for packaging ;-) |
| 13:22.13 | johill | _rene_: yeah, I sure hope so ;) |
| 13:22.33 | johill | oo0_JeS_0oo: 'make install' in softmac before building bcm43xx |
| 13:22.36 | oo0_JeS_0oo | (if there is language indetermination please ley me know) |
| 13:22.44 | _rene_ | ok, that means dpkg-divert'ing the modules from linux-image-2.6.15-1-* away, but.. :) |
| 13:22.58 | johill | _rene_: they ought to be backward compatible if built against the same kernel |
| 13:23.16 | johill | and since you have to build against the same kernel anyway... :) |
| 13:23.36 | TBBle | You don't need to divert the modules away... Just install them somewhere alphabetically after 'kernel' in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 13:23.51 | johill | after? |
| 13:24.52 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill: I did make install in softmac |
| 13:25.14 | TBBle | Yeah. depmod only remembers the _last_ module of a certain name it saw, and scans that folder alphabetically and depth-first. |
| 13:25.36 | johill | TBBle: oh ok. is that documented behaviour or just fluke? |
| 13:25.42 | TBBle | Fluke. ^_^ |
| 13:25.53 | johill | heh |
| 13:26.12 | TBBle | I yelled at the rt2x00 guys until they started setting MODULE_INSTALL_DIR='rt2x00' instead of leaving it alone, which put it in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/extra which meant that kernel modules of the same name overrode them. |
| 13:26.29 | TBBle | Well, it _might_ be documented in depmod, I haven't looked. |
| 13:26.54 | johill | it isn't on the manpage |
| 13:27.35 | TBBle | It just says it scans, not in what order or that it throws away old results. |
| 13:27.46 | _rene_ | johill: the snapshots on the site are daily? |
| 13:27.58 | johill | _rene_: yeah, something like 5am utc |
| 13:28.01 | _rene_ | johill: dso the one which is on the hompage is 20060114? |
| 13:28.04 | _rene_ | ok |
| 13:28.23 | johill | you can probably find out with a HEAD request :P |
| 13:28.38 | johill | or if-last-modified-since :) |
| 13:28.50 | TBBle | On the other hand, if the symbol _names_ have changed, you have other issues... The symbols.map (I think) file in the kernel has all the symbols for the kernel-build-time-built modules in it, and the default module build thing will look at those, and complain if they don't match. |
| 13:29.18 | johill | I added two symbols |
| 13:30.16 | johill | which bcm43xxx needs |
| 13:34.02 | TBBle | Adding symbols isn't a problem. It's changing the that hurts. |
| 13:34.06 | TBBle | them. |
| 13:35.13 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill: I think the problem is about softmac, what is the correct link to get the source? |
| 13:35.34 | johill | something like softmac.sipsolutions.net/softmac-snapshot.tar.bz2 |
| 13:35.36 | johill | or .gz |
| 13:38.03 | _rene_ | or you wait a few minutes/hours and get my experimental debs bubilt against linux-2.6.15-1-powerpc ;-) |
| 13:38.31 | _rene_ | s/linux/linux-image/ |
| 13:38.55 | johill | might be a better solution |
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| 13:40.28 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I use a kernel compiled from sources, 2.6.15-rc7 and a few days ago it worked fine |
| 13:40.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | and driver compiled without a problem |
| 13:43.04 | TBBle | Does softmac do WPA-PSK and DHCP? |
| 13:43.18 | johill | according to larry, yes |
| 13:43.38 | johill | I haven't tried it. I do dhcp fine, but I haven't tried wpa |
| 13:43.47 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Some days ago I have been with AE working with WEP and DHCP ... |
| 13:44.08 | oo0_JeS_0oo | WAP did not work for me |
| 13:44.09 | johill | but since larry says he's using wpa, I guess that's good enough :) |
| 13:44.25 | johill | yeah it was fixed 2 days ago or so (which, incidentally, is the cause of your building problems) |
| 13:48.04 | TBBle | Interesting. Well, once there're debs, I'll be happy. And I have to say, when it comes to .debs, dpkg-diverting headers out of the way is better, since it keeps the build-environment consistent with the installed modules. |
| 13:49.02 | TBBle | http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/bcm43xx/trunk/driver/Makefile?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 ? It's adding the -I to the _end_ of CFLAGS, rt2x00 adds to the beginning. That's the only thing that leaps out at me. |
| 13:49.13 | TBBle | Gah, wrong channel |
| 13:51.05 | oo0_JeS_0oo | now it could finally compiled driver and installed it but when trying it: FATAL: Error inserting bcm43xx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-rc7/kernel/drivers/net/bcm43xx/bcm43xx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:51.52 | TBBle | oo0_JeS_0oo: Did you try seeing dmesg? |
| 13:52.08 | johill | you have old ieee80211 modules loaded or built into the kernel |
| 13:52.12 | johill | you *need* the ones from softmac |
| 13:52.59 | oo0_JeS_0oo | it returns this: http://pastebin.com/505298 |
| 13:53.24 | TBBle | _rene_: iwconfig wlan0 rate 11m fixed? |
| 13:53.38 | _rene_ | TBBle: I meant im some config file... |
| 13:53.51 | _rene_ | TBBle: so that people using that driver don't have to do it per-hand. |
| 13:53.58 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill: I installed which you ahve told me |
| 13:54.04 | TBBle | Oh, I see. |
| 13:54.28 | johill | softmac/bcm43xx don't support rate X fixed yet ;) |
| 13:54.35 | johill | or rather non-fixed |
| 14:01.43 | almost-ctr | hello |
| 14:02.04 | almost-ctr | how can i turn off this "click on mouse pad' affair, I hate it, and how can I bind right click to say, f12 ? |
| 14:02.52 | TBBle | For right-click to F12, see either mouseemu (which I found caused serious problems on my PowerBook G4 15") or the mac_hid module's sysctl settings. |
| 14:03.16 | TBBle | For click-on-mousepad, again either mouseemu or pbbuttonsd has an option to change mousepad tap mode. |
| 14:05.16 | almost-ctr | pk |
| 14:11.35 | johill | not for the usb touchpads though |
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| 14:28.30 | Chain|Q | hi |
| 14:29.06 | Chain|Q | i've an apple laserwriter 320, connected to my 9600/300... can i use this thing under Linux? |
| 14:31.55 | Chain|Q | it's connected to the old-style printer port on the 9600, if that helps |
| 14:35.04 | pahartik | Chain|Q: if it can be configured to listen to serial port and not just expect LocalTalk... |
| 14:38.23 | Chain|Q | pahartik: well, no idea... all manuals only talk about "connect to localtalk port, and that's it" |
| 14:38.43 | Bor_Ed | is it the round or square connector you have it connected to? |
| 14:40.57 | Chain|Q | it's a round port, with a printer logo next to it... two very similar ports next to eachother. the one has a printer logo, the one has a phone logo, that's a "modem port", so a serial port i guess. |
| 14:41.27 | Chain|Q | but the printer is connected to the other one, with the printer logo |
| 14:41.37 | Chain|Q | it's similarly sized to the ADB connector |
| 14:42.01 | Bor_Ed | it's serial... should work on linux too if cups or lprng has the driver |
| 14:42.10 | pahartik | Chain|Q: if it is "Personal LaserWriter 320", it requires LocalTalk... according to http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Printers/Personal_LaserWriter_320.pdf |
| 14:42.32 | Chain|Q | pahartik: yes it's personal laserwriter 320 :( |
| 14:42.53 | Bor_Ed | buggr that then |
| 14:44.57 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: LocalTalk is LAN... using RS-422 serial port as physical transport |
| 14:45.07 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 14:45.26 | Bor_Ed | does linux support that on atalkd btw? |
| 14:46.01 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: AFAIK Linux does not have any support for LocalTalk... |
| 14:46.16 | Bor_Ed | that's pretty shitty then |
| 14:47.46 | pahartik | Chain|Q: nice little PostScript printer, but not functional without MacOS system to serve data to it, because of LocalTalk requirement |
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| 14:49.00 | Chain|Q | pahartik: :(( |
| 14:49.12 | Chain|Q | anyway, thanks guys |
| 14:52.14 | pahartik | Chain|Q: if i had that printer and spare time, i could think about setting up something like Macintosh LCII or LCIII to act as printer server on ethernet |
| 14:55.17 | Chain|Q | well, i've an old performa630 somewhere ;) |
| 14:55.47 | Chain|Q | but having such a computer running all day long to act just an ethernet <-> localtalk converter is like a waste of electricty... |
| 14:55.56 | Chain|Q | but the idea is good |
| 14:57.20 | Chain|Q | i've a 7300/166 running, as a server, but that also runs debianppc... :/ |
| 14:57.39 | pahartik | Chain|Q: yes it is, especially if printing rarely happens... but then again, in that case devices could be turned on when needed |
| 15:00.49 | pahartik | Chain|Q: my PowerMacintosh 7300 and 7500 (both with PowerPC 604e) are working as DVB servers... |
| 15:03.05 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: i built "boinc" and that was easy... but cannot see instructions anywhere about how to build "seti_boinc"... damn that |
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| 15:32.53 | alberto | hi |
| 15:34.20 | alberto | Internal GStreamer error: pad problem. File a bug.gstpad.c(2562): gst_pad_set_explicit_caps: /gnomebaker-convert-to-wav-pipeline/decoder/vorbisdec1: |
| 15:34.20 | alberto | failed to negotiate (try_set_caps with "audio/x-raw-float, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2, endianness=(int)4321, width=(int)32, buffer-frames=(int)0" returned REFUSED) |
| 15:34.30 | alberto | someone with this error in gnomebaker with gstreamer? |
| 15:39.52 | dj-death | strange ... |
| 15:41.00 | alberto | dj-death, do you have debian sid? |
| 15:46.25 | dj-death | yes |
| 15:47.33 | alberto | can you take a look for that error? |
| 15:50.13 | alberto | please |
| 15:50.16 | dj-death | how ? |
| 15:51.14 | alberto | launching gnomebaker and trying to burn a cd-audio with an mp3 or ogg file |
| 15:52.03 | dj-death | I cant |
| 15:52.15 | dj-death | I dont have cd to burn |
| 15:52.23 | alberto | no needed |
| 15:52.41 | alberto | the error is in some library of gstreamer |
| 15:52.46 | dj-death | and even in simulation mode gnomebaker asks me one |
| 15:52.50 | alberto | it appears before burning |
| 15:52.56 | alberto | is not needed simulation |
| 15:53.07 | alberto | is not needed, believe me |
| 15:54.03 | dj-death | ok |
| 15:54.14 | dj-death | well ... it seems to work fine |
| 15:54.31 | dj-death | Internal GStreamer error: pad problem. File a bug.gstpad.c(2562): gst_pad_set_explicit_caps: /gnomebaker-convert-to-wav-pipeline/decoder/vorbisdec15: |
| 15:54.31 | dj-death | failed to negotiate (try_set_caps with "audio/x-raw-float, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2, endianness=(int)4321, width=(int)32, buffer-frames=(int)0" returned REFUSED) |
| 15:54.45 | dj-death | no it doesnt |
| 15:54.56 | alberto | I see |
| 15:55.10 | alberto | :/ |
| 15:55.13 | alberto | sucks |
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| 16:42.34 | Bor_Ed | hmm, how much worth is g4/500 with 384M ram? |
| 16:43.33 | noahb | Depends on what you have, how much cash you have, and how much use you would get out of it of course :-D |
| 16:43.57 | Bor_Ed | like I'd buy a ppc to sell it :D |
| 16:49.09 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 16:49.33 | Q-FUNK | is it possible to partition a disk for Mac, from e.g. an x86 box? |
| 16:49.52 | Bor_Ed | yup, if the x86 has apple partition table support |
| 16:52.03 | dj-death | what's about apple x86 ? |
| 16:52.10 | dj-death | do they have bios ? |
| 16:52.16 | dj-death | or still openfirmware ? |
| 16:52.34 | Bor_Ed | they have special firmware |
| 16:52.45 | Bor_Ed | not OF though |
| 16:53.19 | Q-FUNK | they use EFI, iirc |
| 16:53.26 | Bor_Ed | there was some info about that on the duobook or what was the dualcore powerbook wintel thingy |
| 16:53.29 | Bor_Ed | efi, right |
| 17:12.42 | Bor_Ed | http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=25747288 geebus, box that cheap... |
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| 18:46.22 | Q-FUNK | wasn't xlibs supposed to be removed starting with 6.9? |
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| 18:52.29 | Rawplayer | MI |
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| 19:20.43 | TBBle | Q-FUNK: Yes |
| 19:21.10 | TBBle | Q-FUNK: Um, I mean no. That's xlibs-dev |
| 19:22.18 | Q-FUNK | xlibs also seems to have become a metapackage |
| 19:24.00 | TBBle | It's also got some data in it, according to the description. |
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| 20:59.16 | xbaez | if a have this |
| 20:59.19 | xbaez | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F |
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| 20:59.57 | xbaez | i can upgrade ok |
| 21:06.20 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 21:06.51 | Bor_Ed | @tell xbaez about 2006 apt keys |
| 21:07.20 | Bor_Ed | hrm... my memory serves wrong for a change :) |
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| 21:38.34 | SimonRaven | 2006 key |
| 21:38.55 | Bor_Ed | bleh :) |
| 21:39.05 | Bor_Ed | @tell xbaez about 2006 key |
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