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| 01:56.00 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | current release: 2.6.14 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | AE driver: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ (please test it at http://p.d.o/~rene/bcm43xx) and http://tinyurl.com/8dpmt and http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-409194.html | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg ravenbird 2006 key |
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| 03:25.20 | TBBle | _rene_: You about? |
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| 03:49.23 | dk0r_ | Hi. I'm trying to learn C on osx 10.4. I am wondering how to save a .c file using the osx's native "TextEdit", as I am unable to 'save as' or rename the extension without the file reverting back to *.rtf |
| 03:49.30 | dk0r_ | Hi. I'm trying to learn C on osx 10.4. I am wondering how to save a .c file using the osx's native "TextEdit", as I am unable to 'save as' or rename the extension without the file reverting back to *.rtf |
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| 04:44.42 | Milk | Good evenin folks |
| 04:45.18 | Milk | I'm having a problem with the "make system bootable" portion of an install on an oldworld g3, It says OF is having trouble identifying the FS. Does anyone have any sugestions? |
| 04:46.26 | Milk | anyone at all? |
| 04:51.10 | TBBle | Doesn't look like it. |
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| 06:38.32 | TBBle | forlornly |
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| 08:06.58 | Bor_Ed | nnn, got 15 ubupupu cds today... ordered them less than a month back :D |
| 08:07.32 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 08:07.38 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 08:08.01 | Bor_Ed | got to get the peecee disk sets to work today so that ppl can test out |
| 08:08.15 | Bor_Ed | 9 left since wife stole 1 peecee ver |
| 08:10.11 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 08:10.50 | Bor_Ed | yup, I wonder if the 5.10 will run on oldworld too, got couple of ppc versions among others |
| 08:11.08 | Bor_Ed | whoops, mac versions :) |
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| 08:40.23 | TBBle | Uh? |
| 08:56.46 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ubububu didn't recognize 3com 509c card in legacy mode in peecee |
| 08:57.01 | Bor_Ed | and didn't even ask for network interface on load |
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| 08:58.50 | Q-FUNK | neither does debian |
| 08:59.00 | Q-FUNK | ISA hardware is not recognized. |
| 08:59.05 | _rene_ | TBBle: yes? |
| 08:59.54 | Q-FUNK | out of udev, hotplug and discover, absolutely none of them finds the ISA network cards. none of them. |
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| 09:01.44 | Bor_Ed | debian at least asks if there are network interfaces, ubuntu autodetected and didn't find the legacy device |
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| 09:36.36 | Bor_Ed | hmm, ubububu has automated plugin installer on firefox :o |
| 09:37.14 | KiBi | :D |
| 09:37.50 | Bor_Ed | I think 1 box less to admin when I slip the ubuntu install cd to wifes box... I'll still stay on deb though :) |
| 09:38.21 | KiBi | :) |
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| 09:41.31 | TBBle | _rene_: Excellent question... Oh yeah. I don't suppose you're interested in packaging the dscape version as well? I'm having a lot of problems with the softmac version. |
| 09:42.19 | _rene_ | TBBle: as it needs a patched kernel... |
| 09:42.27 | TBBle | No it doesn't. |
| 09:42.51 | TBBle | There's a standalone dscape module in the rt2x00 CVS tree, and the headers need the same diversion trick as softmac. |
| 09:43.00 | _rene_ | mmh |
| 09:43.13 | TBBle | Also, do you mind if I make a few suggestions about the softmac pacakges? |
| 09:43.45 | _rene_ | TBBle: nope |
| 09:46.01 | _rene_ | TBBle: constructive critics is always welcome |
| 09:46.47 | TBBle | Well, I'd think the bcm43xx package would build against an installed ieee80211-softmac-headers rather than including a copy of its own privately. |
| 09:46.58 | TBBle | Also, that package seems to have two copies of the driver in it. |
| 09:47.26 | _rene_ | TBBle: it doesn't. it builds against ieee80211softmac-headers.x.y.z |
| 09:47.39 | TBBle | Well, it _includes_ the softmac headers in it. |
| 09:47.42 | TBBle | Sorry. |
| 09:47.44 | TBBle | Let me rephrase. |
| 09:47.51 | TBBle | I didn't check the build process. The files are present though. |
| 09:48.47 | TBBle | Actually, I'm working through the packaging of the dscape stuff here, so if you're interested, I'll use my currently-installed dscape modules if upgrading the bcm softmac driver to current HEAD doesn't work, until your package's ready. If you're not interested, I'll try it myself. |
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| 09:51.04 | _rene_ | TBBle: and what's about the two copies? |
| 09:51.40 | _rene_ | .oO ( Hmm. Now that I look at it again; the i386 -mdoules package seems to be broken ) |
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| 09:52.57 | TBBle | When I dpkg-source -x'd bcm43xx-20060108, there's a copy of the driver source + softmac headers in the created bcm43xx-20060108 directory, and another copy in a bcm43xx-20060108 directory inside _that_, from which the -source package is prolly built, if I understood m-a's docs. |
| 09:54.29 | _rene_ | I didn't yet care about m-a |
| 09:55.47 | TBBle | Oh? So where else is there docs about packaging modules? Those're the only ones I could find. |
| 09:56.02 | TBBle | No. Those were the _first_ I found, so I stopped looking. |
| 09:56.47 | _rene_ | I used dh_make and startet from there |
| 09:57.01 | _rene_ | and followed how other modules to it |
| 09:57.17 | _rene_ | wrt the headers and the subdirectors, yes, error |
| 09:58.12 | TBBle | Cool. |
| 09:58.29 | TBBle | That's what I did, although I stopped for dinner five hours ago and haven't gotten back to it. |
| 09:58.51 | _rene_ | better said: cruft from testing. and no idea how the subsĀr came into it. Hmm |
| 09:59.31 | TBBle | Oh, one other thing, would it be better to install the modules into their own directory in /lib/modules/_KVER_/ rather than /lib/modules/_KVER_/kernel/{,drivers/}net ? |
| 10:00.44 | TBBle | Alsa uses updates/alsa (due to alphabetical reasons, this allows them to be modprobe'd in preference to the kernel module) and mol user 'misc'. |
| 10:01.12 | TBBle | This _might_ save diverting the kernel's modules, although I have a terrible feeling depmod/modprobe changed behaviours on that recently. |
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| 13:14.44 | amck | Hi. Does ISDN work on DebianPPC? The kernel in sarge (2.4.27) complains of unauthorised code... |
| 13:21.10 | Tenkawa | unauthorised? |
| 13:21.19 | Tenkawa | havent seen that before |
| 13:35.06 | amck | Basically, there is some code in the ISDN drivers that needs to be 'authorised'. (I think its checksummed); without which a device will not be allowed on the ISDN network. This means you can't just write a driver yourself. |
| 13:37.16 | Tenkawa | intriguing |
| 13:37.21 | Tenkawa | this must be a non-us thing |
| 13:37.24 | amck | I think it means someone would need to sign the code for each arch. |
| 13:37.52 | Tenkawa | because I ran isdn years ago with a generic motorola isdn adapter and a serial port |
| 13:38.08 | amck | Yes, this is a generic PCI ISDN card |
| 13:38.45 | Tenkawa | I'm not really sure how much help I can be it has been 7 years since I've used isdn |
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| 13:39.01 | avar | oi |
| 13:39.07 | Tenkawa | hi |
| 13:39.09 | amck | Ok, I was just wondering if anyone had experience of ISDN on PPC recently |
| 13:39.23 | avar | just installed the latest sarge:) |
| 13:39.54 | Tenkawa | amck: you might try going to a 2.6 kernel too |
| 13:40.06 | Tenkawa | Linux duneppc 2.6.15-1-powerpc #2 Wed Jan 11 04:53:28 UTC 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 13:40.08 | Tenkawa | :) |
| 13:41.43 | avar | refresh my memory, its unstable -> testing -> stable right |
| 13:41.57 | Tenkawa | well thats backwards but yes sorta |
| 13:42.08 | Tenkawa | unstable is newest |
| 13:42.14 | Tenkawa | newest/unchecked |
| 13:42.50 | avar | does testing have xorg-x11 |
| 13:42.56 | avar | or was that only sid |
| 13:43.37 | pahartik | avar: it does have "xserver-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11" |
| 13:44.16 | avar | pahartik: which one |
| 13:44.56 | Tenkawa | avar: it would just be xserver-xorg |
| 13:45.01 | Tenkawa | or what are you asking? |
| 13:45.08 | pahartik | avar: answer was to your "does testing have xorg-x11" question |
| 13:46.41 | Tenkawa | ok time to go to work |
| 13:46.42 | Tenkawa | bbl |
| 13:46.43 | avar | thanks, |
| 13:47.08 | avar | would you reccomend updating to unstable, I was using gentoo previously and its probably more stable than that |
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| 17:07.04 | avar | hia |
| 17:07.18 | avar | (again) |
| 17:10.01 | avar | I just installed sarge, and then did dist-upgrade to sid, and I'm having some small difficulties, when I run perl it complains that I should check that LANGUAGE, LC_ALL and LANG = en_US are supported on my system |
| 17:11.54 | pahartik | avar: install "locales" package... or run "dpkg-reconfigure locales"... |
| 17:13.02 | avar | I installed localeconf, seems to be something similar.. |
| 17:14.50 | avar | woo, fixed:) |
| 17:20.17 | avar | I've got some more issues, the clock is set to 2005-12-19, and I'm unable to start fluxbox with startfluxbox, it claims it can't connect to the XServer |
| 17:22.15 | avar | I just got ntpdate to fix the time, but shouldn't I do something more? |
| 17:22.33 | avar | IIRC you had to poke the clock on the ibooks in some special way for them to behave |
| 17:29.23 | avar | bbl:) |
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| 17:39.43 | avar | http://www.simnet.is/velfag/tmp/fb.txt <- this is the issue I'm having with starting x |
| 17:40.38 | avar | also, the therm_adt746x module is loaded on boot, which makes the fan spin at 100%, fixed by unloading it |
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| 21:15.23 | dj-death | I just installed it ;) |
| 21:15.38 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: saw my pmsg earlier? |
| 21:15.50 | _rene_ | TBBle: I am just looking at that dscape stuff. at least you don't need module diversions.. |
| 21:16.00 | _rene_ | TBBle: which headers should need diversions? |
| 21:19.26 | _rene_ | TBBle: also, bcm43xx-dscape wants ieee80211_common.h which I can't find anyhwere |
| 21:19.44 | _rene_ | (at least not in the ieee80211/ dir of rt2x00 CVS) |
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| 21:48.50 | \xe6var | what packages do I need for power management on an ibook g4, pmud and pbbuttonds? |
| 21:49.45 | Corsac | pbbuttonds should be ok |
| 21:51.25 | \xe6var | Starting pbbuttonsd:ERROR: The file '/dev/pmu' doesn't exist. |
| 21:51.25 | \xe6var | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.36 | \xe6var | that's what I get when I install it |
| 21:52.23 | Corsac | hmh |
| 21:52.42 | Corsac | maybe you need some module |
| 21:52.52 | Corsac | but it's strange it has not been automatically loaded |
| 21:56.32 | \xe6var | I should have it if pmu is built into the kernel |
| 21:56.34 | \xe6var | 2.6.8-powerpc |
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| 22:00.22 | KiBi | sudo modprobe apm_emu # Or something like that? |
| 22:01.42 | demon | xe6var: are you using devfs, or udev, or a static /dev? |
| 22:02.42 | TBBle | _rene_: ieee80211.h needs diverting for dscape... Uh, ieee80211_common.h is a dscape header... |
| 22:04.42 | TBBle | _rene_: in the 'net' directory of the ieee80211 directory, there's the headers that need to go to include/net |
| 22:05.22 | _rene_ | TBBle: bah, I am blind. thanks :) |
| 22:05.26 | TBBle | _rene_: Oh, that reminds me, about your other packages... Neither softmac nor dscape need the radiotap header diverted. softmac uses it (or at least the IPW code does) and dscape doesn't use it _yet_ but will hopefully be ported to it. |
| 22:06.03 | TBBle | For dscape, the only header I've found _needs_ diverting is the ieee80211.h itself, although I usually move _crypt.h out of the way for consistency. |
| 22:20.05 | _rene_ | ah well.... |
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| 22:33.17 | _rene_ | I won't go the hassle and removing those diversions again as long as it isn't needed and doesn't do harm |
| 22:33.40 | _rene_ | and when it might be needed in future we are ready, that might be an advantage |
| 22:41.48 | TBBle | Well, the only issue is that ieee80211_radiotap.h _is_ needed (I think) for an out-of-tree ipw driver build, which ought to work even with softmac headers installed (although not dscape) |
| 22:42.12 | TBBle | There's a movement to replace prism2 headers with radiotap, apparently. |
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