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| 02:17.55 | SimonRaven | _rene_: \o/. i see the bcm drivers are in |
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| 02:30.55 | SimonRaven | @listkeys models |
| 02:31.02 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'models' by key (1): macmodels. |
| 02:31.21 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 02:31.54 | cr3 | SimonRaven: hi there :) |
| 02:32.04 | cr3 | @macmodels |
| 02:32.28 | cr3 | is that how it goes? I'm searching google for "powerbook g3 models", I'm not getting anything particularly useful. |
| 02:32.46 | SimonRaven | the bot's gonna come back in a couple |
| 02:33.37 | SimonRaven | www.apple-history.com/ ; you'll see there are several of that description, like i mentioned before |
| 02:33.47 | cr3 | SimonRaven: would having the processor speed useful, it's a 233Mhz powerpc processor. |
| 02:33.56 | cr3 | SimonRaven: it looks like a Series I, 1998 |
| 02:34.31 | SimonRaven | something like kbd colour, reading the bottom, etc. |
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| 02:36.48 | SimonRaven | @macmodels |
| 02:36.48 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml or http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 02:37.00 | SimonRaven | hm |
| 02:37.21 | SimonRaven | @mac models is see also macmodels |
| 02:37.22 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 02:37.28 | SimonRaven | @mac models |
| 02:37.29 | ravenbird | it has been said that mac models is see also macmodels |
| 02:37.43 | SimonRaven | @mac models is <reply>see also macmodels |
| 02:37.44 | ravenbird | ...but mac models is already something else... |
| 02:37.47 | SimonRaven | @no mac models is <reply>see also macmodels |
| 02:37.48 | ravenbird | okay, SimonRaven |
| 02:37.50 | SimonRaven | @mac models |
| 02:37.51 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml or http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 02:37.55 | SimonRaven | better |
| 02:38.16 | SimonRaven | @no macmodels is <reply>http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 02:38.16 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 02:39.45 | SimonRaven | crap |
| 02:40.00 | SimonRaven | @no macmodels is <reply>http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
| 02:40.01 | cr3 | brb, phone (couldn't be at a worse time) |
| 02:40.01 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: okay |
| 02:43.20 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [+o SimonRaven] by ChanServ |
| 02:44.00 | *** topic/#DebianPPC by SimonRaven -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | current release: 2.6.14 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg ravenbird 2006 key |
| 02:44.04 | *** mode/#DebianPPC [-o SimonRaven] by SimonRaven |
| 02:57.19 | cr3 | the keyboard of my laptop is black, not silver |
| 02:57.41 | cr3 | so I'm having a hard time determing whether my model is PDQ or Wallstreet |
| 03:03.47 | SimonRaven | ok, well, either way it won't boot from a linux cd |
| 03:05.47 | cr3 | SimonRaven: at least I managed to get into the open firmware with command-option-o-f |
| 03:06.11 | cr3 | SimonRaven: won't boot? so what can I do to install debian on the laptop? |
| 03:06.12 | SimonRaven | ok, what's the OF version, that'll tell me for sure |
| 03:06.41 | SimonRaven | 3 or higher you're in luck, otherwise it's floppy install |
| 03:07.21 | cr3 | unfortunately, there's no floppy in this laptop. give me a moment, I'll try to reboot again for the firmware version |
| 03:08.00 | cr3 | firmware version is 2.01 :( |
| 03:08.05 | cr3 | what can I do without a floppy then? |
| 03:08.46 | cr3 | I mean 2.0.1 (forgot the second dot, not that it makes a difference) |
| 03:08.48 | SimonRaven | try a net boot |
| 03:09.06 | cr3 | SimonRaven: doesn't that require configuring a bootp and tftp server on the network? |
| 03:09.31 | SimonRaven | or, if you have mock os still there, boot with bootx and use the initrd.gz and vmlinux from sarge to install |
| 03:09.50 | SimonRaven | all of this is in great detail here |
| 03:09.55 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 03:09.56 | ravenbird | for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays. |
| 03:10.43 | cr3 | what's bootx? is that a command I call from the firmware? |
| 03:11.44 | SimonRaven | no, it's a mock os app |
| 03:12.06 | SimonRaven | well, i have to go for a few. bbialw |
| 03:14.51 | cr3 | thanks SimonRaven |
| 03:23.11 | SimonRaven | back |
| 03:23.11 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 04:34.05 | TBBle | _rene_: You about? |
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| 06:07.44 | TBBle | _rene_: I knocked up dscape packages, and worked out the kernel BUG problem (don't load ipv6.ko and it's fine).. http://www.tbble.net/dscape/ if you want to have a look. (Based on yours. Thankyou! ^_^) |
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| 11:50.05 | strat50s | black... |
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| 15:25.09 | sfreak | hi! can't get debian to boot on my old world powermac 7200. keeps spitting boot floppies back at me and BootX doesn't work either. is it supposed to work at all? |
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| 15:57.07 | Bor_Ed | 7200 is picky on floppies, it'll work only on _good_ floppies |
| 16:02.09 | sfreak | i"ll try some more... |
| 16:02.52 | Bor_Ed | took me ~12 floppies to get 2 working ones |
| 16:04.08 | sfreak | great. that's gonna be fun... |
| 16:04.16 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:04.49 | Bor_Ed | other way to get the thingy working is bootx... though you need a mockos install to do that |
| 16:05.28 | sfreak | i installed macos 8.6 and tried bootx... it just exits and does nothing when i click Linux... |
| 16:05.58 | Bor_Ed | you have the initrd on the Linux kernels folder and set that up on the bootx? |
| 16:06.15 | sfreak | yes |
| 16:06.27 | sfreak | do i need to uncompress the initrd as well? |
| 16:06.40 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 16:06.54 | sfreak | than it should have worked... |
| 16:08.07 | Bor_Ed | 2.4.18 kernel and initrd at least work on the 7200/8200, I've used them |
| 16:08.47 | sfreak | bootx is supposed to automatically shut down macos, right? |
| 16:08.58 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:08.59 | sfreak | cause it doesn't |
| 16:09.19 | sfreak | maybe it doesn't work with 8.6? |
| 16:09.28 | Bor_Ed | I use bootx on my oldworld boxen for now to get to linux since OF support doesn't work too well |
| 16:09.34 | Bor_Ed | it ain't because of 8.6 |
| 16:10.09 | sfreak | gonna try my newly written floppies now |
| 16:12.17 | pahartik | sfreak: how did you transfer kernel to HFS? |
| 16:14.39 | pahartik | sfreak: sounds like your BootX does not think that file is kernel image, you have not chosen kernel from that pop-up menu, or BootX does not know where your kernel is |
| 16:14.56 | sfreak | downloaded with opera |
| 16:15.10 | sfreak | it shows up in the drop-down box |
| 16:15.20 | sfreak | i'll download it again... |
| 16:15.22 | pahartik | sfreak: and i do not remember needing to "uncompress" kernel images for BootX |
| 16:15.30 | sfreak | none of my 5 floppies worked |
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| 16:16.32 | Bor_Ed | sfreak: what ver are you trying to install? |
| 16:25.07 | sfreak | sarge. i am currently downloading the kernel from installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/hd-media to try bootx again |
| 16:26.35 | Bor_Ed | that probably won't work on 7200 |
| 16:27.37 | sfreak | i can try woody if that works better |
| 16:30.25 | Bor_Ed | I used to install woody basesystem and dist-upgrade to sid |
| 16:32.16 | sfreak | with the new sarge kernel it doesn't work. with 3.7mb in size it's uncompressed? |
| 16:32.25 | sfreak | i'll try woody next |
| 16:33.31 | Bor_Ed | just install basesystem with woody and dist-upgrade... it should work |
| 16:39.00 | sfreak | does the 7200 actually make a usable linux system (console)? i only worked with linux on recent macs before and in macos the 7200 feels extremly slow |
| 16:39.37 | Bor_Ed | I've had 7200/90 as desktop, did its job |
| 16:44.05 | sfreak | woody kernel doesnt work with bootx either. only woody bootdisks left to try |
| 16:44.43 | sfreak | no idea what i'm doing erong |
| 16:44.47 | sfreak | wrong |
| 16:45.35 | sfreak | haha! |
| 16:45.39 | sfreak | it worked |
| 16:46.16 | sfreak | i just rebooted with bootx as extension and now i suddelnly started the exact same kernel that didnt work 30 seconds ago. wtf? |
| 16:46.54 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.54 | sfreak | yeah, i guess thats about right... |
| 16:48.09 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 16:48.39 | Bor_Ed | been there, done that too :) |
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| 17:10.34 | Tenkawa | Anyone know who the maintainer of the ppc tmsnc package is? |
| 17:10.52 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache show <package> |
| 17:11.05 | Tenkawa | ahh cool |
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| 17:11.33 | Tenkawa | it segfaults trying to run tmsnc |
| 17:13.29 | Tenkawa | whats really odd is gdb gives me nothing useful at all |
| 17:15.07 | Bor_Ed | Package: tmsnc |
| 17:15.07 | Bor_Ed | Priority: optional |
| 17:15.07 | Bor_Ed | Section: net |
| 17:15.07 | Bor_Ed | Installed-Size: 172 |
| 17:15.08 | Bor_Ed | Maintainer: Miriam Ruiz <little_miry@yahoo.es> |
| 17:15.19 | Tenkawa | yyeah I saw |
| 17:15.40 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 17:15.52 | paulproteus|lapt | Tenkawa: Debian packages are stripped by default. |
| 17:16.10 | Tenkawa | paulproteus|lapt: ahh |
| 17:16.22 | Tenkawa | ok time to go to source |
| 17:16.50 | paulproteus|lapt | Tenkawa: apt-get source tmsnc |
| 17:16.56 | Tenkawa | already did |
| 17:16.58 | Tenkawa | configuring now |
| 17:17.00 | paulproteus|lapt | Rock on. (-: |
| 17:17.10 | paulproteus|lapt | Tenkawa: For bonus points, just go to debian/rules and delete dh_strip. |
| 17:17.16 | paulproteus|lapt | THen ./debian/rules binary , and install the package. |
| 17:18.05 | Tenkawa | heh intriguing |
| 17:18.09 | Tenkawa | compiling from source works |
| 17:20.24 | Tenkawa | brb.. |
| 17:21.24 | johill | paulproteus|lapt: not even necessary. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip :) |
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| 17:24.27 | Tenkawa | ok can anyone see this? |
| 17:24.55 | Bor_Ed | no |
| 17:24.59 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.01 | Tenkawa | haahaa |
| 17:25.19 | Tenkawa | testing out centericq to replace pork/irssi/tmsnc/etc |
| 17:25.46 | Bor_Ed | I've heard gaim does good job on replacing several clients too |
| 17:26.25 | Tenkawa | I needed something cli for remote use |
| 17:26.32 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 17:27.37 | Tenkawa | well this is definitely "unique" |
| 17:29.15 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 17:29.18 | Tenkawa | thats better |
| 17:29.27 | Tenkawa | had top hit ctrl x to send anything |
| 17:29.37 | Tenkawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.39 | XYZZZ | yeah |
| 17:29.41 | XYZZZ | I RULE! |
| 17:29.57 | Tenkawa | XYZZZ: what did you do? |
| 17:29.58 | Bor_Ed | got r00t? :D |
| 17:30.13 | XYZZZ | nothing, woke up |
| 17:30.14 | XYZZZ | ;) |
| 17:30.30 | Tenkawa | bah |
| 17:30.32 | Bor_Ed | ... |
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| 17:39.07 | XYZZZ | i got debian running on an Apple II |
| 17:39.13 | XYZZZ | making a website for it right now |
| 17:40.10 | XYZZZ | u'll need a bunch of 5.25" disks |
| 17:40.12 | Bor_Ed | apple II... hmm, that has been running debian since the pyramids were built |
| 17:40.40 | Bor_Ed | I installed mine from ZIP drive on external scsi |
| 17:40.55 | XYZZZ | wish someone would have told me |
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| 17:41.23 | Bor_Ed | had linux on IIcx or such... sold the thingy ages back |
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| 17:41.42 | Bor_Ed | anyway, just required the bootloader and ZIP drive |
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| 18:01.01 | XYZZZ | i used 5.25" disks |
| 18:01.06 | XYZZZ | the problem is on of loading |
| 18:01.10 | XYZZZ | it's quite fun, though |
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| 19:11.39 | DelTree | Hi... |
| 19:11.50 | DelTree | Any news for powerbook5,9 ? |
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| 21:43.24 | Q-FUNK | anybody who could explain to me again hwo to get a kernel to load SCSI drivers from the initrd.img or cramfs image? |
| 21:43.40 | Q-FUNK | the modules are needed to access root |
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| 22:43.06 | beaufils | I run sid on an Albook. I use linux-image-2.6.15-1-powerpc kernel. The suspend function does not work anymore. The screen freeze when I try to suspend the computer. Before I used a home made kernel (2.6.12) and it worked. Then after an upgrade I was unable not only to suspend the computer but also to boot it graphically (the screen freezed each time). Any idea where to look for ? |
| 22:43.30 | johill | nope, suspend works fine on vanilla 2.6.15.1 here |
| 22:43.57 | johill | oh wait, you upgraded everyting including xorg? |
| 22:44.02 | johill | what albook do you have anyway? |
| 22:45.11 | beaufils | Albook G4 15" |
| 22:45.19 | johill | which version? |
| 22:45.24 | beaufils | johill, where can I get the version ? |
| 22:45.30 | johill | /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:45.41 | johill | machine : PowerBook5,6 |
| 22:45.43 | johill | or something |
| 22:45.50 | beaufils | PowerBook5,4 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh |
| 22:46.11 | johill | uh ok, don't know anything about those |
| 22:46.13 | beaufils | I upgraded everything which is not kept |
| 22:46.39 | johill | on mine, I can't upgrade xorg or it'll freeze |
| 22:46.53 | beaufils | You use vanilla kernel 2.6.15.1 or the one prepared by debian kernel team ? |
| 22:47.05 | johill | 'vanilla' |
| 22:47.17 | johill | got a bunch of patches since I develop softmac and stuff, so... |
| 22:47.23 | beaufils | ok, I will try to compile a vanilla one |
| 22:48.22 | beaufils | you are one of the guy working on bcm43xx support for linux-ppc, if so thank's for your great work (even if I did not try to use it yet) |
| 22:48.41 | johill | heh :) |
| 22:49.23 | beaufils | do you know if there are some explanations on how to use the driver (bcm43xx and stuff) on debian somewhere ? |
| 22:49.38 | johill | there are packages. I gather they come with readmes ;) |
| 22:49.45 | johill | dunno |
| 22:49.49 | johill | look in the topic |
| 22:49.58 | johill | oh no, it was removed |
| 22:50.07 | beaufils | yes but there are not explicit enough yet ;-) |
| 22:50.58 | johill | http://people.debian.org/~rene/bcm43xx/ |
| 22:51.28 | johill | that'll only work with the official kernel though unless you pull the source and build the modules to |
| 22:52.32 | _rene_ | johill: obsolete :-P |
| 22:52.37 | _rene_ | johill: it's in sid now properly :) |
| 22:52.46 | johill | whoops |
| 22:53.14 | johill | :) |
| 22:53.29 | johill | yeah, I see it :) hey I could get the source and diff it against mine ;) |
| 22:53.31 | johill | softmac |
| 22:53.40 | beaufils | _rene_, stuff for bcm43xx in sid is working ? |
| 22:53.49 | _rene_ | johill: I didn't yet patch anything. |
| 22:53.56 | johill | k |
| 22:54.07 | _rene_ | beaufils: yes |
| 22:54.13 | johill | can you cc me on softmac bug reports automatically? |
| 22:54.25 | _rene_ | johill: you can subscribe to the PTS |
| 22:54.26 | beaufils | johill, could you send me your .config (2.6.15-1) somehow ? |
| 22:54.34 | _rene_ | johill: than you'll get them automatically |
| 22:54.39 | johill | pts? |
| 22:55.04 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/config.gz |
| 22:55.11 | johill | but it's for a powerbook5,6 |
| 22:55.18 | _rene_ | johill: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-pkg-tracking-system |
| 22:55.24 | beaufils | johill, thank's a lot |
| 22:56.03 | beaufils | johill, ok but I will start with that ... |
| 22:56.06 | _rene_ | can someone please unlock the topic so I can fix it? thanks :-) |
| 22:57.03 | johill | it's not in the topic ;) |
| 22:57.04 | _rene_ | oh. already removed |
| 22:57.07 | _rene_ | nevermind |
| 22:57.14 | _rene_ | didn't see it was removed already :) |
| 22:59.11 | _rene_ | beaufils: if you need to use bcm43xx-source, wait a few hours till you get -4. there was a typo breaking building in the old version. or you fix it yourself (s/mdir/mkdir/) |
| 22:59.33 | _rene_ | err. |
| 22:59.35 | _rene_ | I mean -5 |
| 22:59.54 | _rene_ | god, today is my "typo-and-thinko-writing-day" |
| 23:00.12 | johill | _rene_: ok I subscribed to softmac-snapshot on the pts. will see |
| 23:02.02 | _rene_ | the only bugreport I did yet receive was that I should enable amd64 modules ;-) |
| 23:02.07 | johill | yeah I saw :) |
| 23:08.55 | beaufils | sorry for this off topic question : I am not used with IRC, did some of you know some good tutorial or documentation, so that I don't do too much stupidity on that channel ? |
| 23:13.38 | Q-FUNK | the installation guide? |
| 23:13.53 | johill | a tutorial for irc? |
| 23:14.05 | johill | or for compiling the kernel? |
| 23:15.55 | johill | heh |
| 23:15.58 | johill | If you don't understand why you got this mail, please ignore it, |
| 23:15.58 | johill | you won't be subscribed to anything unless you confirm it. |
| 23:16.25 | johill | :)) |
| 23:17.09 | beaufils | tutorial for irc ... |
| 23:18.39 | johill | don't know about any. just apply normal 'how do I talk to people' rules ;) |
| 23:20.17 | beaufils | ok that is what I do. But I would like to understand what are topic, how work stuff like /msg dpkg, etc. |
| 23:21.42 | johill | the stuff like /msg dpkg is bot-specific (dpkg is the bot here) |
| 23:21.51 | johill | the topic is what you see when you first log in |
| 23:21.57 | johill | usually anyway |
| 23:22.05 | johill | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.37 | _rene_ | since you can't change the topic anyway since this channel is +t the topic isn't that interesting - except that it shows some URLs ;-) |
| 23:22.59 | _rene_ | (the channel-mode-+t is topic-lock) |
| 23:23.19 | johill | oh yeah, mode bits are important too, but they're also server dependent afaik |
| 23:23.47 | johill | some anyway |
| 23:25.53 | _rene_ | johill: oh, and it would be nice if you keep me up-to-date: like bugfix xyz is important, please update, or new fature foo etc ;-) |
| 23:26.21 | johill | yeah I'll try. haven't hacked on the stuff for a while |
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| 23:42.42 | piem_ | meh |
| 23:43.09 | piem_ | ybin: /dev/sda2 appears to have never had a bootstrap installed, please run mkfboot |
| 23:43.28 | piem_ | any idea how my bootblock just vanished? |
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| 23:47.25 | XYZZZ | Yeah, that's right, quit |
| 23:47.34 | XYZZZ | Quit like the baby you are |
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| 23:55.36 | piem_ | mmh. how do i fix my bootblock now ? |
| 23:55.58 | piem_ | ybin says i need to run mkofboot, and mkofboot says 'permission denied' |
| 23:57.16 | piem_ | oh, if i reboot on a cd and chroot in it, mkofboot is happier |
| 23:57.43 | piem_ | now i still wonder how my bootblock died earlier |