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| 00:24.59 | *** topic/#debianppc is Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | current release: 2.6.14 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls | PPC sound cards http://tinyurl.com/7lrrk | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg ravenbird 2006 key |
| 00:29.20 | johill | is anyone else using evince and a lot of stuff is black? |
| 00:31.05 | piem_ | johill: yes. well rather white actually :) |
| 00:31.20 | johill | white? I have many pdfs that are completely black |
| 00:31.37 | piem_ | all the pdf i produce myself i can read |
| 00:31.48 | johill | there must be something wrong again with endianness, I don't see this on x86 iirc |
| 00:32.02 | piem_ | but many of the ones i download remain with a white page, regardless the endian |
| 00:32.04 | johill | I think it's mostly images... although I've seen anti-aliasing go horribly wrong |
| 00:32.22 | johill | can you check this: http://developer.intel.com/technology/1394/download/ohci_11.pdf |
| 00:32.29 | piem_ | xpdf is still the one that can read them all |
| 00:32.38 | johill | (and also on little endian if you can) |
| 00:37.38 | piem_ | johill: ah yes, all black in evince :) |
| 00:37.45 | piem_ | looks fine in xpdf |
| 00:37.53 | johill | yeah, just installed xpdf to check |
| 00:38.02 | johill | bleh. I'm going to file a bug report :) |
| 00:38.09 | johill | oh does that occur on other platforms too? |
| 00:38.15 | johill | can't check at the moment |
| 00:38.17 | piem_ | let me check |
| 00:38.51 | piem_ | i bet so :) |
| 00:39.12 | johill | I've had lots of similar problems in the past that were endianness bugs |
| 00:39.17 | piem_ | yep |
| 00:39.24 | piem_ | all black on x86 too |
| 00:40.22 | piem_ | xpdf is so much faster i tend to use it anyway |
| 00:40.31 | johill | hm |
| 00:40.32 | johill | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337136 |
| 00:40.37 | johill | looks pretty much like that |
| 00:40.43 | piem_ | i wonder why there is so many pdf rendering engines though |
| 00:40.53 | johill | except that I don't understand why they'd have a transparent png background |
| 00:41.07 | johill | piem_, the engines are all based on poppler which is a fork of the xpdf code |
| 00:41.39 | piem_ | but why is there so much in between them? |
| 00:42.49 | piem_ | code duplication is evil :-) |
| 00:43.04 | johill | well poppler dissects the pdf and then renders it using cairo (in evince) and using xlib (afaik; in xpdf) etc. |
| 00:43.21 | johill | they're supposed to all just link libpoppler ;) |
| 00:43.47 | piem_ | really? the current series of pdf related security updates doesn't seem to mean that :) |
| 00:44.04 | johill | yeah, 'supposed to' :) |
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| 01:57.08 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07810648148148156716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 and info http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/ |
| 02:01.11 | johill | hah |
| 02:01.15 | johill | "We don't know exactly what it was designed for, but several local engineers have gotten it to boot Linux" |
| 02:02.31 | fishhead | the 2nd page confirms it works |
| 02:02.56 | fishhead | btw folks that ppc I pasted the url for $20, there are a few people in #edev that have them working with linux |
| 02:03.29 | johill | yeah, still makes you wonder |
| 02:03.48 | fishhead | dude for $20 |
| 02:03.48 | fishhead | wtf |
| 02:03.55 | fishhead | I haven't worked in 3 yrs and even I ordered one |
| 02:04.47 | johill | yeah. shipping it to europe will be comparatively expensive though ;) |
| 02:04.57 | fishhead | oh sorry :/ |
| 02:05.07 | fishhead | I am sure some will turn up in europe shops |
| 02:05.11 | johill | heh |
| 02:07.37 | fishhead | I apolgise, I forgot to mention that store url is us based so people out of the country might not want to bother |
| 02:08.04 | johill | any idea how big the board is? |
| 02:08.15 | johill | nah don't worry, that's ok |
| 02:09.01 | fishhead | dunno |
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| 03:23.52 | fishhead | jo |
| 03:23.56 | fishhead | jb's all over ebay |
| 03:24.02 | fishhead | you want one without the little pinhole led on the front |
| 03:24.10 | fishhead | the ones with the pinhole have only 2 meg of ram vs 8 |
| 03:24.16 | fishhead | and the rom is a glob plastic instead of a tsop |
| 03:24.26 | fishhead | although the hack to boot external rom uses the cart port |
| 03:24.39 | fishhead | but you could replace the rom too if you had the skills |
| 03:24.49 | fishhead | my hands shake like crack addict hence I doubt I can do tsop any timesoon |
| 03:24.49 | fishhead | :P |
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| 12:08.13 | johill | uh, did my question arrive? is anyone around who has a firewire device? |
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| 12:27.54 | pahartik | johill: i have IEEE-1394 harddisk device, iBook G4 with on-board IEEE-1394, PCI IEEE-1394 adapters, IEEE-1394 DVD-RW device... |
| 12:28.33 | johill | cool, would you show me what /sys/bus/ieee1394 looks like when you plug some in? |
| 12:31.19 | johill | I'm trying to figure out what the best way would be to extend the ieee1394 subsystem to get drivers bound to nodes, instead of units |
| 12:31.36 | johill | but I don't quite understand how they represent them yet |
| 12:31.37 | johill | :/ |
| 12:37.20 | pahartik | johill: http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/IEEE-1394 |
| 12:37.46 | johill | thanks |
| 12:38.15 | johill | could you do the same for /sys/class/ieee1394* please? |
| 12:38.47 | johill | I don't understand if there's no distinction between local and remote nodes |
| 12:38.49 | pahartik | johill: that is from my iBook G4, with only harddisk connected... i do not have long enough cable to continue from current location of harddisk to Alpha workstation |
| 12:39.37 | johill | that's great already :) |
| 12:40.54 | johill | looks like <id> is the node, and <id>-<num> is the unit directory entry or something |
| 12:41.01 | johill | the terminology seems to go a bit weird |
| 12:41.13 | johill | they call it 'struct unit_directory' when imho it is a 'struct unit_directory_entry' |
| 12:42.00 | johill | otoh this seems to be the official terminology. bit confusing |
| 12:42.22 | pahartik | johill: http://zazu.vip.fi/~pahartik/IEEE-1394-class |
| 12:44.17 | johill | thanks, much appreciated |
| 12:46.51 | pahartik | johill: you are welcome |
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| 12:49.52 | pahartik | johill: i had bit of a problem when i visited at my brother's place, could not get iBook G4 networked over IEEE-1394 with PowerBook G3, both were running Linux 2.6.14... harddisk device worked on both |
| 12:50.25 | johill | you mean target disk mode? |
| 12:50.43 | johill | or external device |
| 12:50.44 | pahartik | johill: networking over IEEE-1394 has worked fine between Alpha workstation and iBook G4 |
| 12:50.52 | pahartik | johill: external device |
| 12:50.57 | johill | hm |
| 12:51.14 | johill | not sure, I couldn't even get target disk mode of another powerbook to connect so far |
| 12:51.22 | johill | didn't try networking |
| 12:53.33 | pahartik | johill: damn that |
| 12:57.41 | pahartik | johill: could not get networking up between iBook G4 and tower Macintosh G4 workstation (that was running MacOS X 10.4) either |
| 12:57.52 | johill | odd |
| 12:58.53 | pahartik | johill: i suppose Linux IEEE-1394 driver does have some problem when two PowerPC hosts are on same bus... |
| 12:59.17 | johill | that'd be pretty weird though |
| 12:59.35 | johill | but it does look like it |
| 12:59.45 | johill | maybe something about the controllers (I guess apple always uses the same) |
| 13:01.20 | DelTree | hi... |
| 13:01.30 | DelTree | any news about powerbook 5,9 |
| 13:01.34 | DelTree | any news about powerbook 5,9 ? |
| 13:02.19 | pahartik | johill: yes, if those IEEE-1394 controller chips are not fully supported |
| 13:03.50 | johill | I dunno. maybe I'll try all this once I get the powermac (next week, hopefully) |
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| 13:41.02 | beaufils | I am using sid on 2.6.15.1-powerpc kernel, the laptop is unable to suspend correctly. Each time I try it freeze completely any idea ? |
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| 14:00.15 | johill | does someone want to crash their machine? ;) I have some untested code for a /dev/fwmem device like bsd has for firewire :) |
| 14:02.17 | Corsac\gala | you need some testing ? |
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| 14:06.34 | johill | well, I don't really know. I doubt it'll not crash the machine. I myself can't test until I get my powermac though :) |
| 14:07.58 | Corsac | i have a powerbook 5,6 here, if you need some testing and tell me what to do |
| 14:08.12 | johill | you'll need another computer with firewire too |
| 14:08.39 | Corsac | arh |
| 14:08.47 | Corsac | i don't :/ |
| 14:09.08 | johill | my problem too :) |
| 14:09.49 | johill | and I won't pick up a firewire card (even if cheap) when I have no other use for it and get a new machine with firewire (hopefully) next week |
| 14:10.12 | Corsac | i have a firewire hard drive |
| 14:10.21 | Corsac | what's the point of a /dev/fwmem ? |
| 14:10.26 | Corsac | direct access to other computer memory ? |
| 14:10.29 | johill | yep |
| 14:10.32 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:10.35 | Corsac | hmh |
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| 14:11.09 | Corsac | there is a french magazine called misc where there is an article about this |
| 14:11.20 | johill | oh it isn't hard |
| 14:11.33 | johill | just a bunch of infrastructure work in linux' ieee1394 cod |
| 14:11.34 | johill | e |
| 14:12.30 | Corsac | you need to allow direct access on the other computer, right ? |
| 14:12.47 | johill | all os'es we tested (except windows!) do |
| 14:12.51 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:12.52 | Corsac | hey |
| 14:12.53 | Corsac | wait |
| 14:12.58 | johill | by default |
| 14:13.00 | Corsac | my mother has a powerbook too |
| 14:13.06 | Corsac | under osx |
| 14:13.12 | johill | yeah that could work |
| 14:13.26 | Corsac | (her laptop won't suffer ?) |
| 14:13.46 | Corsac | (she uses it for important work, so..) |
| 14:14.32 | johill | well you can easily crash it |
| 14:14.43 | johill | if you access beyond the real ram, I think it might crash |
| 14:14.45 | johill | not sure |
| 14:15.46 | Corsac | hmh, i'd prefer not, so |
| 14:16.16 | johill | yah I'll just test next week or whenever I get the machine :) |
| 14:16.29 | johill | easier to fix bugs when you see them yourself anyway |
| 14:16.34 | Corsac | yes |
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| 14:19.44 | kattmat | hello. |
| 14:20.03 | kattmat | i'm having problems with GPG keys when using apt-get update. is there anything more you have to do than just import the key? |
| 14:20.17 | johill | read topic |
| 14:21.01 | Corsac | current release: 2.6.15 |
| 14:21.01 | Corsac | :) |
| 14:22.08 | kattmat | i'm blocked from messaging anyone since im not registered |
| 14:22.23 | kattmat | and the key is for another non-debian.org source |
| 14:22.38 | kattmat | but maybe it's still the same? |
| 14:22.52 | Corsac | no you need the key for the source you're using |
| 14:23.24 | kattmat | i have the key |
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| 14:23.26 | kattmat | i have imported the key |
| 14:23.30 | kattmat | but i'm still getting errors. |
| 14:23.52 | johill | run apt-get update again |
| 14:24.11 | kattmat | done it a million times. |
| 14:24.14 | kattmat | always the same error |
| 14:25.10 | kattmat | "... could not be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BDCE3370C88CEDF6" |
| 14:25.17 | johill | ok |
| 14:25.18 | kattmat | and i have imported that key! |
| 14:25.25 | johill | are you sure it is on the list? |
| 14:25.37 | johill | # apt-key list |
| 14:25.47 | kattmat | it's not on THAT list |
| 14:25.53 | kattmat | it's on gpg --import list |
| 14:25.57 | kattmat | how to add it to apt-list? :) |
| 14:26.02 | johill | apt-key |
| 14:26.09 | johill | well you have to import it to apt's keyring, not yours ;) |
| 14:26.25 | kattmat | ah. yes. |
| 14:26.28 | kattmat | now it worked :) |
| 14:26.30 | kattmat | haha |
| 14:26.32 | kattmat | sorry. |
| 14:26.58 | kattmat | thanks a million. this is my second day with debian. :) |
| 14:27.30 | kattmat | i've been using evilwm for a long time now (been running other *nixes before) and i'm thinking about finding something else. got any suggestions? |
| 14:27.47 | johill | whee, here are all the patches: http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/mem1394 |
| 14:28.16 | Corsac | kattmat: xfce \o/ |
| 14:29.09 | kattmat | xfce? hmm. i don't know. i didn't like it last time. i could try it, of course. i'll do that right after i've installed mplayer, which is bitching with me right now. |
| 14:30.20 | Corsac | when was the last time you tried ? |
| 14:30.27 | Corsac | xfce 4.2 is really great :) |
| 14:30.33 | Corsac | deb http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/ |
| 14:30.37 | Corsac | try this for mplayer |
| 14:31.13 | johill | back in a while |
| 14:32.12 | kattmat | Corsac: that's the one i'm using |
| 14:32.16 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:32.23 | kattmat | but it wants a lot of stuff that nots there, like libggi2 and such. |
| 14:32.41 | kattmat | it depends on a _long_ list of stuff i can't access |
| 14:33.01 | johill | are you installing stable? |
| 14:33.12 | kattmat | stable debian ? |
| 14:33.23 | johill | yah |
| 14:33.27 | kattmat | no. unstable |
| 14:33.31 | johill | ok |
| 14:33.34 | johill | dunno then |
| 14:35.38 | kattmat | hm. apt-get -f install might solve something. |
| 14:37.10 | kattmat | okay only thing that's missing now is libpolyp0 |
| 14:38.11 | kattmat | which i cant get. |
| 14:38.13 | kattmat | hmm |
| 14:40.41 | kattmat | anyone knows why i can't install mplayer? |
| 14:41.10 | Corsac | without an error, it's pretty hard to tell |
| 14:41.50 | kattmat | "mplayer-powerpc: Depends: libpolyp0 but it can not be installed" (i'm translating from my swedish debian system) |
| 14:43.56 | kattmat | debian only got libpolyp0 for amd64.. |
| 14:45.08 | Corsac | add testing sources |
| 14:46.16 | kattmat | i just found it in the testing :) |
| 14:46.27 | kattmat | thanks anyways. |
| 14:49.14 | kattmat | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:191: process_queue: Försäkran "dependtry <= 4" falsk. |
| 14:49.17 | kattmat | what..? |
| 14:49.42 | kattmat | oops |
| 14:49.47 | kattmat | falsk = false |
| 15:04.29 | SimonRaven | you can do "LANGUAGE=C command" to get it in english |
| 15:09.06 | kattmat | aha thanks |
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| 15:25.09 | johill | kattmat: you need to force a package |
| 15:25.24 | kattmat | i just did. solved it. hehe. |
| 15:25.26 | johill | there's a circular pre-depends dependency, which is bad |
| 15:25.42 | kattmat | dpkg --configure --force-dependencies -a or what it now was |
| 15:25.54 | johill | something like that |
| 16:01.46 | Corsac | hmh, my shift+f10 is binded on right click and I can't find where it configured |
| 16:01.49 | Corsac | (no sysctl) |
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| 16:17.24 | Mistakill | hello |
| 16:17.58 | Mistakill | is there somebody plz ? |
| 16:18.06 | fishhead | for all the channels that this applies to, this is tne 2nd and last time i paste this url, I DO NOT WORK FOR THIS COMPANY, and do not have anything to do with them other than I saw this thing, bought one and thought it's so cool I wanted to get the word out |
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| 16:19.02 | Mistakill | I need some help for a debian installation ... can somebody help me plz ? |
| 16:20.21 | fishhead | <fishhead> http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07810648148148156716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 and info http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/ |
| 16:20.24 | fishhead | <fishhead> btw folks that ppc I pasted the url for $20, there are a few people in #edev that have them working with linux |
| 16:20.27 | fishhead | <fishhead> I apolgise, I forgot to mention that store url is us based so people out of the country might not want to bother |
| 16:21.01 | fishhead | sorry about the disclaimer, but I already just about had death threats from morons who thought I was a spammer |
| 16:21.40 | fishhead | mista I wish I could help :( |
| 16:21.42 | fishhead | did you try the main debian channel or a help channel |
| 16:22.04 | fishhead | if anyone still thinks I am a spammer, just message lilo, he has known me for yrs |
| 16:27.47 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Mistakill: what problem do you have with Debian?? |
| 16:42.07 | Mistakill | i want to install debian with a internet-setup |
| 16:43.14 | Mistakill | and everything's working well but the graphic interface : there is a problem with xfree86 and it's configuration |
| 16:46.44 | Mistakill | i think the problem is one with the mouse ... do you have any idea ? |
| 16:50.37 | oo0_JeS_0oo | what happens with your mouse?? |
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| 17:09.34 | Mistakill | when i start debian, he tries to start the graphic interface, but after some trys he says "Error:couldn't open display(NULL)" |
| 17:10.02 | Mistakill | and he shows me the command line |
| 17:16.11 | Mistakill | no idea ? |
| 17:31.30 | pahartik | Mistakill: could be easier to guess if you show configuration file and logfile of that xserver... |
| 17:40.28 | Mistakill | yes i'm gonna reboot with linux and tell you |
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| 18:35.26 | xbaez | where can i found documentation to make that airport works ? |
| 18:36.12 | piem_ | xbaez: bcm43xx.berlios.de |
| 18:36.40 | xbaez | thanks |
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| 18:42.52 | kattmat_ | name a good app for audio volume control. :) |
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| 18:43.06 | Corsac | xfce4-mixer ? |
| 18:45.06 | Bor_Ed | alsamixer-gui |
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| 18:48.14 | kattmat_ | aumix is a classic ^^ |
| 18:49.41 | kattmat_ | i have a rather hard problem that i need to crack. |
| 18:49.46 | kattmat_ | i'm using dvorak |
| 18:49.59 | kattmat_ | and i need to be able to write some special signs (swedish characters to be exact) |
| 18:50.19 | kattmat_ | and for 1) i don't have alt-gr on my keyboard, only left-alt and 2) i don't know how to do what i want. |
| 18:50.28 | Bor_Ed | öäå |
| 18:50.32 | Bor_Ed | copy from there |
| 18:50.34 | kattmat_ | hehe |
| 18:50.58 | Bor_Ed | dvorak is 7 bit chars only? |
| 18:51.02 | kattmat_ | no |
| 18:51.10 | kattmat_ | just that i don't know how to make them on this dvorak layout. |
| 18:51.15 | kattmat_ | if it even is possible |
| 18:51.19 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 18:51.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I think there's scandinavian dvorak too in /etc land |
| 18:51.36 | kattmat_ | i'm used to mac os x, and there it's solved by alt-a, alt-u+a and alt-u+o |
| 18:51.41 | kattmat_ | svorak is bad. |
| 18:51.54 | kattmat_ | they don't have {}[]=+/\ etc where i want them. |
| 18:52.40 | Bor_Ed | pc-dvorak-latin1.kmap.gz might work |
| 18:53.35 | DJSpike | i have the same problem with my ADB French keyboard |
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| 18:53.59 | Bor_Ed | I use peecee keymap on this adb keyboard |
| 18:54.03 | kattmat_ | Bor_Ed: even without alt-gr? |
| 18:54.24 | kattmat_ | i was thinking if i had to make my own keymap or something |
| 18:54.36 | Bor_Ed | well I have altgr on this kb... the smaller extended KB I had didn't but I confed apple key to be one |
| 18:54.57 | kattmat_ | you can do that? how? |
| 18:55.08 | DJSpike | with xmodmap ? |
| 18:55.16 | kattmat_ | do i know how to use xmodmap? no :) |
| 18:55.42 | Bor_Ed | xmodmap |
| 18:56.05 | DJSpike | Bor_Ed: what is the model of your ADB keyboard ? |
| 18:56.13 | Bor_Ed | some RTFM required to get it doing what you want... sysctl is another option if you want console mode too |
| 18:56.41 | Bor_Ed | adb extended II with scandinavian layout |
| 18:57.27 | DJSpike | ah yes this one has a good tutorial, but i tried the xmodmap provided, and the character went all wrong |
| 18:57.38 | fishhead | btw http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut <-- for anyone looking at that ppc url I pasted earlier, they undated the wiki |
| 18:57.44 | DJSpike | my ADB keyboard is the Apple Design |
| 18:58.32 | DJSpike | maybe they don't use the same keycodes ? |
| 18:58.52 | kattmat_ | xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = Mode_switch" ? |
| 18:59.11 | Bor_Ed | if 115 is your apple key |
| 18:59.21 | kattmat_ | how to know if it is? ^^ |
| 18:59.22 | DJSpike | :) |
| 18:59.34 | Bor_Ed | with showkey command in console mode |
| 19:00.28 | kattmat_ | "Warning: Currently running in a pseudoterminal." |
| 19:00.34 | kattmat_ | oh su.. |
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| 19:01.15 | Bor_Ed | nope, in console mode, ctrl+alt+f1 .. |
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| 19:04.56 | kattmat__ | hm i couldn't kill showkeys! |
| 19:05.11 | Bor_Ed | it'll die after some secs of not being used |
| 19:05.22 | kattmat__ | gah :) |
| 19:08.11 | kattmat__ | hm 91 is my left apple key |
| 19:10.27 | kattmat__ | anyways. what could i do to make the swedish characters work in dvorak? |
| 19:11.01 | Bor_Ed | you need to put the chars to some key/combo |
| 19:11.08 | kattmat__ | how to do that? |
| 19:11.54 | Bor_Ed | add to either xmodmap or sysctl |
| 19:12.30 | kattmat__ | yeees.... |
| 19:12.55 | kattmat__ | if i want alt-gr+a to be aring, for example. how to do that? |
| 19:13.06 | Bor_Ed | google a bit, it's been way too long since I found out that I can use peecee keymaps too :D |
| 19:13.20 | kattmat__ | hehe |
| 19:14.40 | kattmat__ | okay now i know how |
| 19:14.53 | kattmat__ | but i don't know what the word for aring and auml and ouml is in xmodmap |
| 19:15.54 | Bor_Ed | all chars are somewhere in /usr/share/console* iirc |
| 19:19.47 | kattmat__ | hmm |
| 19:19.59 | kattmat__ | my Mode_switch doesn't seem to work.. hmmmm |
| 19:26.22 | kattmat__ | yes now it does |
| 19:26.24 | kattmat__ | and åÅ works |
| 19:26.25 | kattmat__ | Aring |
| 19:26.32 | kattmat__ | but the other two aren't Auml and Ouml.. |
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| 19:27.13 | cr3 | anyone here happen to have an XF86Config file for powerbook g3? |
| 19:28.21 | Bor_Ed | oring and don't recall what ä is |
| 19:28.39 | kattmat__ | acute? |
| 19:29.07 | kattmat__ | nah |
| 19:29.10 | kattmat__ | not oring, nor acute |
| 19:29.17 | Bor_Ed | hmm |
| 19:29.35 | Bor_Ed | the chars are still hidden somewhere in /usr... lessee if I can find 'em |
| 19:29.43 | kattmat__ | cheers |
| 19:31.25 | kattmat__ | ah found it |
| 19:31.30 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 19:31.36 | kattmat__ | odiaeresis |
| 19:31.49 | Bor_Ed | and why didn't we figure that out already :D |
| 19:31.57 | kattmat__ | åäö |
| 19:32.00 | kattmat__ | hehe |
| 19:32.07 | kattmat__ | i'm gonna have a hard time getting used to this new stuff ^^ |
| 19:32.12 | Bor_Ed | got øæ too? :) |
| 19:32.16 | kattmat__ | nah, don't need them =P |
| 19:32.31 | Bor_Ed | always... you never know when you have to write norwegian |
| 19:32.49 | kattmat__ | haha |
| 19:32.59 | kattmat__ | they can understand åäö and that's good enough =P |
| 19:33.20 | Bor_Ed | true |
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| 19:40.35 | cr3 | sorry for leaving like that, is there a way to find a working xf86config file for a powerbook g3 lombard laptop running sarge? I looked on the net, downloaded a XF86Config-4 file for wallstreet, and it crashes my computer somehow. |
| 19:41.39 | Bor_Ed | try r128 driver and 800x600@60Hz |
| 19:42.49 | Corsac | hmh |
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| 20:09.18 | cr3 | I generated xf86config-4 to use r128 and not it's complaining about a missing fontpath |
| 20:12.29 | cr3 | I installed xfonts-100dpi and not it's complaining about libspeedo |
| 20:12.42 | cr3 | does it really matter if I'm wearing a speedo or trunks? |
| 20:14.07 | Bor_Ed | you have x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed? |
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| 20:17.29 | cr3 | bob: sorry about that, I kill sirc by accident. I don't have x-window-system but I'm installing it now. thanks for the tip. |
| 20:18.13 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 20:18.24 | Bor_Ed | it'll install the required packages to run X |
| 20:20.39 | DJSpike | anybody had success with a PC flashed radeon 7000 on a mac ? |
| 20:20.56 | DJSpike | i can get it to work on X11, but not in console mode |
| 20:21.07 | Bor_Ed | it'll work on X even without flashing |
| 20:21.34 | DJSpike | yes i guess flashing purpose is OF related |
| 20:21.51 | Bor_Ed | yup, OF won't work with it without the FCODE burned to the card |
| 20:22.14 | cr3 | I'm still getting an error: libspeedo.a:spencode.o: symbol not found |
| 20:22.29 | Bor_Ed | cr3: comment that out on X conf |
| 20:22.32 | DJSpike | i'll have to recompile a kernel ? |
| 20:23.06 | Bor_Ed | DJSpike: the radeon driver should be on the kernel already... |
| 20:23.24 | DJSpike | then it does'nt work for mine :S |
| 20:23.35 | Bor_Ed | could be OF related... |
| 20:24.17 | cr3 | Bor_Ed: now I'm getting: no device detected |
| 20:24.47 | Bor_Ed | cr3: try cat /proc/fb ... it should tell the device |
| 20:24.57 | DJSpike | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.15 | DJSpike | with Xpostfacto |
| 20:25.54 | DJSpike | it lights up on OF boot |
| 20:25.55 | Bor_Ed | DJSpike: then it could be kernel related... check if the driver is built to your kernel in /boot/config- your kernel ver |
| 20:26.10 | cr3 | Bor_Ed: what do I do with that device? |
| 20:26.21 | Bor_Ed | cr3: what did it say? |
| 20:26.31 | DJSpike | i tried many kernels, many kernel arguments |
| 20:27.06 | cr3 | !exec cat /proc/fb |
| 20:27.15 | cr3 | oups, I was expecting something else :) |
| 20:27.19 | SimonRaven | did you do append="video=radeonfb" ? |
| 20:27.24 | DJSpike | yes |
| 20:27.38 | DJSpike | i tried video=radeon too |
| 20:28.10 | SimonRaven | 'radeon' wouldn't've worked |
| 20:28.45 | DJSpike | i've read it may have worked this way on certain kernel versions |
| 20:29.03 | SimonRaven | not that i've seen |
| 20:29.08 | cr3 | Bor: /pci/ATY,RageLTPro |
| 20:29.25 | Bor_Ed | cr3: ahh, that's 'ati' driver |
| 20:29.46 | SimonRaven | same card that i have on my server, heh |
| 20:30.00 | Bor_Ed | I just have mach64 on this one :) |
| 20:30.17 | SimonRaven | append="video=atyfb,scrollback:256k l2cr=0xa9080000 elevator=deadline" |
| 20:30.18 | DJSpike | you have a Beige G3 ? |
| 20:30.19 | Bor_Ed | no wonder r128 didn't find devices though |
| 20:30.27 | Bor_Ed | yup, this is beige g3 |
| 20:30.31 | DJSpike | same here |
| 20:30.47 | DJSpike | but with a ZIF G4/500 inside |
| 20:30.52 | Bor_Ed | 233@315MHz |
| 20:30.56 | DJSpike | hehehe |
| 20:31.05 | DJSpike | good % |
| 20:31.17 | DJSpike | mine went up to 250 |
| 20:31.21 | Bor_Ed | I'd need to replace the dimms to get more out of the cpu, ram can't get overclocked any more |
| 20:31.34 | Bor_Ed | sys booted at 350 and 366 too |
| 20:31.46 | DJSpike | i overclocked the bus to 83 |
| 20:31.57 | Corsac | how do you overclock powerpc ? |
| 20:32.01 | Bor_Ed | I got up to 75... |
| 20:32.08 | Bor_Ed | Corsac: by jumpering the logic board |
| 20:32.16 | DJSpike | but my sonnet went down to 417 instead of 500 |
| 20:32.16 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 20:32.32 | DJSpike | because it sets the PLL by himself |
| 20:32.45 | Corsac | ok, so niet on a powerbook i guess ? |
| 20:32.48 | Bor_Ed | yup, it'll ignore board... though you can set FSB there |
| 20:32.57 | SimonRaven | Corsac: NO, big NIET |
| 20:33.05 | Bor_Ed | Corsac: some might have jumpers... not sure |
| 20:33.13 | DJSpike | yes the powerlogix |
| 20:33.23 | SimonRaven | defeating the purpose of having a scalable cpu ... IMO |
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| 20:33.49 | Bor_Ed | yea... though lappie clocking is best to be done with just changing the FSB |
| 20:34.11 | SimonRaven | yeh yeh :P |
| 20:34.36 | SimonRaven | s/ss/s/ |
| 20:34.40 | Bor_Ed | eh? :o |
| 20:35.09 | SimonRaven | i was kidding you |
| 20:35.33 | DJSpike | i'm hoping someone will find the mods to do on the ZIF resistors to force the multiplier |
| 20:35.59 | DJSpike | with a 75 mhz bus i could reach 566 |
| 20:36.20 | DJSpike | bus i prefere not to overclock the PCI bus |
| 20:37.26 | Bor_Ed | hmm, wasn't there possibility to set pci to async too? I recall something like that |
| 20:38.40 | DJSpike | i don't think so, it's unchanged in 66-83 settings only |
| 20:40.32 | Bor_Ed | http://lowendmac.com/ppc/j16.shtml |
| 20:41.07 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I wonder if grackle could be forced to 100 or 133MHz... the specs on it support that, it's just a matter of getting timing caps/resistors done |
| 20:41.55 | DJSpike | i'd like to find a way to force it to 100 |
| 20:42.15 | DJSpike | then my sonnet would work as it was in a B&W |
| 20:42.19 | Bor_Ed | it's just a matter of getting ppl to give right frequencies |
| 20:42.24 | DJSpike | B&W* |
| 20:42.36 | Bor_Ed | mpc106 supports 100MHz and probably will run faster too |
| 20:43.12 | DJSpike | yes, that's why i didn't hesitate to 'overclock' it to 83 |
| 20:43.42 | Bor_Ed | I got ram refusing to work at 78MHz... prolly need to get pc133 dimms :D |
| 20:44.05 | DJSpike | my PC66 is fine at 83 |
| 20:44.34 | Bor_Ed | this has couple of small old dimms |
| 20:45.00 | Bor_Ed | 160M ram total... I'll need to get 3 256M sticks anyway at some point |
| 20:45.16 | DJSpike | i've got 352 for the moment |
| 20:45.28 | Bor_Ed | I'll get the maxed out on upgrade |
| 20:45.36 | DJSpike | :D |
| 20:45.55 | Bor_Ed | 256M sticks aren't that expensive nowadays |
| 20:46.08 | DJSpike | do you run tiger on it ? |
| 20:46.16 | Bor_Ed | lol no |
| 20:46.24 | Bor_Ed | debian unstable |
| 20:47.41 | DJSpike | i did both, but as long as i can't get console to work with the Radeon 7000, i prefer to stick to Tiger, and do my kernel tests on a external SCSI drive |
| 20:48.15 | Bor_Ed | just use some *dm |
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| 20:49.26 | DJSpike | which is ? |
| 20:49.27 | Bor_Ed | I have 168x54 terminal here over xfce to get the corrupted console thingy bypassed |
| 20:49.43 | Bor_Ed | kdm, gdm, xdm or whatever |
| 20:49.53 | DJSpike | i've got a second screen on the Mach64 |
| 20:51.05 | DJSpike | have you tried e17 ? |
| 20:51.24 | Bor_Ed | nope, I prefer to have 'desktop' around when I need one |
| 20:56.29 | DJSpike | i had problem with the radeon DRI too |
| 20:56.45 | DJSpike | it sometimes works sometimes not |
| 21:00.34 | DJSpike | i tried mac-on-linux, too, but i only could get to the clashing floppy disc gray screen |
| 21:00.46 | DJSpike | flashing* |
| 21:01.14 | DJSpike | i wouldn't boot my OS 9 or OS X partitions |
| 21:01.15 | Bor_Ed | mol doesn't seem to like the OF on beige g3... though I used my 4400 OF rip and it worked out |
| 21:01.40 | DJSpike | in oldworld boot mode ? |
| 21:01.49 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 21:02.07 | DJSpike | it did not work for OS X then ? |
| 21:02.21 | Bor_Ed | haven't used it more than just tested the thingy... I have qemu to goof around :) |
| 21:02.30 | DJSpike | :) |
| 21:02.33 | Bor_Ed | I don't have osx medium to install it in the first place |
| 21:03.40 | DJSpike | maybe opendarwin could work too ? |
| 21:04.27 | DJSpike | just to try |
| 21:05.29 | Bor_Ed | I don't think osx/opendarwin will boot on 4400 OF |
| 21:05.40 | Bor_Ed | they require newworld box |
| 21:06.02 | Bor_Ed | on qemu-system-ppc perhaps... it supports newworld models too |
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| 21:06.29 | DJSpike | i booted apple darwin beta with XPF once |
| 21:06.47 | Bor_Ed | xpf? |
| 21:06.52 | DJSpike | xpostfacto |
| 21:06.57 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 21:07.49 | Bor_Ed | if I get the box I'm after, I might have to get used to the hack too |
| 21:08.13 | Bor_Ed | http://karju.uwasa.fi/cgi-bin/auction.pl?category=pc&item=1138791860 I have highest bid currently and closes on wednesday :) |
| 21:09.00 | DJSpike | your beige is your main machine ? |
| 21:09.26 | Bor_Ed | yup, beige g3 is my desktop... I have 4400 as firewall/server too |
| 21:10.04 | DJSpike | i have a 6500 motherboard in a 6200 box |
| 21:10.04 | Bor_Ed | both do their jobs just fine |
| 21:10.21 | DJSpike | i had problems with ethernet on it |
| 21:10.34 | DJSpike | so i gave up linux on it |
| 21:10.51 | Bor_Ed | hmm, 6500? ain't that nubus thingy? |
| 21:11.10 | DJSpike | maybe if i get a realtek NIC i'll try it back |
| 21:11.35 | DJSpike | no the 6200 has a PDS slot, the 6500 is PCI |
| 21:11.44 | Bor_Ed | ahh |
| 21:12.12 | Bor_Ed | I have some realtek card in the server... 100Mbit and all (only such on my lan :) |
| 21:12.13 | DJSpike | the PCI came for the x400 series |
| 21:13.01 | Bor_Ed | you can use any nic on linux... OF just is picky on the cards if you're thinking of netboot |
| 21:13.23 | DJSpike | the console told me about skbuffer problems, which made eradic timeouts |
| 21:13.28 | DJSpike | i'm not the only one |
| 21:14.28 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 21:14.30 | DJSpike | my 3 tested NICs had similar problems |
| 21:14.49 | Bor_Ed | just get 3c905 or 8139 then |
| 21:14.56 | DJSpike | 2 tulip, and 1 via-rhine |
| 21:15.13 | Bor_Ed | 0000:00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 21:15.22 | Bor_Ed | seems to work just fine for me on 4400 |
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| 21:15.36 | DJSpike | i've heard they're the best |
| 21:15.43 | paulproteus | Hmm, where'd the links to rene's bcm43xx packages go? |
| 21:15.51 | paulproteus | BTW, DJSpike, what's the best? (-: |
| 21:15.53 | Bor_Ed | it was noname card with just winhoser driver floppy shipped :) |
| 21:16.31 | DJSpike | paulproteus: Debian :D |
| 21:17.29 | Bor_Ed | hmm, there was a link earlier today on chan to the bcm docs |
| 21:19.15 | paulproteus | apt-cache search shows bcm43xx-source, so I guess I should just grab that. (-: |
| 21:19.38 | Bor_Ed | possibly |
| 21:22.27 | DJSpike | Bor_Ed: what kernel do you use on the beige ? |
| 21:23.14 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.14.5 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 31 14:29:15 EET 2005 |
| 21:23.18 | Bor_Ed | selfbuilt one |
| 21:27.13 | DJSpike | did you have video glitches problems ? |
| 21:28.22 | Bor_Ed | video is corrupted in console mode, it's been in every 2.6.8+ kernel, something about initing some chip vars |
| 21:28.50 | DJSpike | i'm still with the 2.6.8 |
| 21:29.02 | Bor_Ed | no other video probs here... xvids/divx's run just fine and so on |
| 21:30.23 | DJSpike | there is no way to fix it ? |
| 21:31.56 | DJSpike | no magical kernel argument ? :'( |
| 21:32.16 | Tenkawa | Any of you watching the Rolex 24 at Daytona? |
| 21:32.52 | Bor_Ed | no way to get magical kernel arguments... the init code is buggered on recent kernels |
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| 21:34.47 | DJSpike | i hope a new kernel version will take this problem into account |
| 21:35.03 | Bor_Ed | dunno if it's even been reported on lkml |
| 21:55.11 | kattmat__ | hm. how to install glib-config? |
| 21:55.26 | kattmat__ | it doesn't come with glib, and it's not on its own in the tree. |
| 21:57.00 | Bor_Ed | it's in -dev package |
| 21:57.27 | kattmat__ | i have that installed too! |
| 21:57.59 | Bor_Ed | libgtk1.2-dev |
| 21:58.07 | kattmat__ | libglib1.3-dev yes |
| 21:58.09 | kattmat__ | not in 2.0 |
| 21:58.12 | kattmat__ | cheers |
| 21:58.15 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 21:58.23 | Bor_Ed | that's prolly on 2 then |
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| 22:01.31 | Bor_Ed | time to hit the sack... just passed the midnite here |
| 22:01.33 | TBBle | glib2-config I would thing. |
| 22:01.35 | TBBle | think |
| 22:04.34 | gnufan | gung ho fat choi |
| 22:07.09 | pahartik | happy new year |
| 22:18.03 | gnufan | By the way is there a "this is not #ubuntu-ppc" trend in here? |
| 22:18.57 | TBBle | Nope, this looks like #DebianPPC to me. |
| 22:20.23 | gnufan | Hehe I don't mind it really is for a friend this time - I am x86 owner - too poor for a really stylish computer. |
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| 22:28.38 | mattl | gnufan: lo |
| 22:28.39 | gnufan | Talk of the devil. |
| 22:29.15 | mattl | it wasn't me. whatever i did - i didn't. |
| 22:29.40 | mattl | been telling people i'm running Ub**tu? ;) |
| 22:31.49 | gnufan | Is the Wiki suppose to say "IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device" |
| 22:33.27 | mattl | gnufan: i'd imagine not. so, what's the solution to all my problems? install Debian? |
| 22:33.55 | gnufan | No, but you'd presumably trade them for ones the guys here would answer. |
| 22:34.39 | mattl | does Debian's powerpc architecture include powerpc64? |
| 22:48.43 | TBBle | Yes, sortof. |
| 22:49.33 | TBBle | In so far as a 32-bit userland is faster for general use on powerpc64 than a 64-bit one, you just need to build/install a PPC64 kernel and then 64-bit versions of whatever apps need the 64-bitness. |
| 22:50.13 | mattl | aah. okay. in case you missed it - i installed Ubuntu yesterday. |
| 22:51.15 | TBBle | Right. Well, the same thing applies, although they may or may not have the PPC64 kernel stuff in place. Dunno, you'd have to ask Ubuntu people to be sure. |
| 22:51.21 | mattl | it's kind of a mess though. i'd prefer to use Debian. |
| 22:51.50 | mattl | yeah, i have a 64 bit kernel - Linux emily 2.6.15-14-powerpc64-smp #1 SMP Wed Jan 25 16:38:51 UTC 2006 ppc64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:52.31 | TBBle | Then you're all good. Now go and find yourself a molecular modeller or something that can use 64bitness effectively, and enjoy the benefits of your new computer. |
| 22:53.32 | mattl | heh.. i wanted to play my AAC encoded music -- now i appreciate it might not be possible to do that with free software -- and if that's the case, i will rip my CDs to Vorbis... |
| 22:54.09 | gnufan | Is it like Sparc 64 bit where sun found thing ran slower in 64bits - presumably CPU cache issues. |
| 23:01.53 | pahartik | mattl: at least "mplayer", "vlc" and "gxine" play AAC encoded audio streams just fine (they use FAAD2 library for decoding and FAAC library for encoding) |
| 23:02.39 | TBBle | Actually, I saw a presentation on why PPC64 is slower on Wednesday or Thursday... Function calls have a whackload more overhead, and loading a 64-bit constant chews up five cycles... There's talk of an ABI change on PPC64 to fix up the function call overhead issue, mind you. |
| 23:04.50 | mattl | pahartik: and they're all free software? see, i thought they used windows .dll files? |
| 23:05.48 | TBBle | Not for the AAC, no. |
| 23:06.15 | mattl | next computer i buy will be an intel x86, probably.. that won't be for a few years tho. |
| 23:06.20 | pahartik | mattl: http://www.audiocoding.com/ |
| 23:07.36 | mattl | thanks :) |
| 23:07.56 | mattl | which Macs are you running Debian on? |
| 23:07.57 | *** part/#debianppc gnufan (n=srw@84-45-158-52.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 23:08.03 | fishhead | well i think the x86 is a much higher performance cpu |
| 23:08.05 | fishhead | *BUT* |
| 23:08.14 | fishhead | at least in embedded space |
| 23:08.18 | fishhead | ppc hauls ass |
| 23:08.19 | TBBle | What? Nooo! PowerPC kicks _ass_ |
| 23:08.43 | mattl | I can't believe how snappy my Mac feels under GNOME, even with things not working 100%. |
| 23:09.07 | TBBle | During the closing ceremony of linux.conf.au.2006, the IBM representative asked "Who here would like a PowerPC-based designed-for-linux laptop?" and *every* hand in the room shot up. I think he was rather surprised. |
| 23:09.34 | mattl | Heh, I'd buy that, though... IBM don't make computers now. |
| 23:10.15 | fishhead | that might be good space too |
| 23:10.17 | fishhead | ppc laptops |
| 23:10.44 | pahartik | mattl: and "mpeg4ip" library is also needed if one wants to put AAC in MPEG-4 container |
| 23:10.47 | mattl | next week i will be dual booting my powerbook. i can't dump OS X on that, as work will complain. |
| 23:12.42 | fishhead | mattl as long as work pays |
| 23:12.45 | fishhead | who gives a flying canuck |
| 23:14.10 | mattl | i'm learning GIMP... hopefully one day I'll be able to drop Photoshop. |
| 23:14.36 | mattl | As long as I've got people sending me PSD files, I'll have to keep opening them. sigh. |
| 23:14.44 | Corsac | gimp ? |
| 23:16.34 | mattl | yeah, but it doesn't support them 100%, as they keep adding stuff to PSD format, i guess. |
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| 23:19.06 | Madkiss | hi all, does somebody remember where _rene_ put up his bcm43xx-Packages? |
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| 23:35.14 | benoitc | hi all |
| 23:36.03 | benoitc | would like to know if some people works all the day on a debian ppc ? I'm currently asking myself if it's possible :\ |
| 23:36.57 | Corsac | i am |
| 23:37.12 | fishhead | btw |
| 23:37.15 | fishhead | that $20 ppc board |
| 23:37.16 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.17 | fishhead | opps |
| 23:37.19 | fishhead | wrong paste |
| 23:37.27 | fishhead | there is guy in #edev playing with one righ tnow |
| 23:37.35 | fishhead | http://pastebin.com/528029 |
| 23:37.55 | benoitc | Corsac: professionnaly ? |
| 23:38.18 | Corsac | i'm a student, but, yes, professionaly |
| 23:38.28 | mattl | benoitc: i will be, from tomorrow, doing professional work, employed as a programmer, on Debian PPC. |
| 23:38.38 | benoitc | ifn fact I do web development and a little graphism. so dunno. I have linux installed for now but |
| 23:38.55 | mattl | benoitc: sounds like me :) |
| 23:42.36 | benoitc | mmm only thing I have to find is a tool like textmate on linux |
| 23:42.47 | benoitc | don't find it yet. Any idee ? |
| 23:45.12 | mattl | benoitc: there are a lot of editors.. depends how like textmate you need? |
| 23:46.40 | benoitc | hum I like vim, but I don't know how to have such editr with project management ie ave access to all file of a project easyly |
| 23:47.02 | mattl | ScITE is pretty good. |
| 23:47.10 | benoitc | currently I use eclipse, but it's a little slow |
| 23:47.25 | benoitc | mmm I would try it thanks |
| 23:48.12 | mattl | http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2005/11/07/windowslinux-alternative/ |
| 23:49.24 | benoitc | mattl: thanks :) |
| 23:49.37 | TBBle | I've been using a PowerBook G4 15" running Linux for work since mid November last year... |
| 23:49.51 | mattl | benoitc: i was an OS X user until yesterday. |
| 23:49.52 | benoitc | TBBle: what do u do ? |
| 23:50.10 | TBBle | I'm the Operations Manager of an ISP. |
| 23:51.03 | benoitc | oki |
| 23:51.14 | mattl | I'm the senior developer for a large department of the UK Government. |
| 23:51.32 | mattl | people are using Debian in real world environments ;) |
| 23:51.41 | benoitc | mattl: and why do u go on linux ? and not stay on osx? |
| 23:51.55 | mattl | freedom. |
| 23:52.19 | benoitc | k :) |
| 23:52.39 | benoitc | hum think I will stay on linux so. |
| 23:52.48 | mattl | w00t. you'll love it. |
| 23:53.31 | benoitc | btw I'm on linux ppc since 1 year but from time to time when I'm on osx, I feel bad ;) |
| 23:54.19 | mattl | aah, i've been on it for two days. |
| 23:54.38 | mattl | http://mattl.co.uk/blog/switch/ |
| 23:57.10 | TBBle | I have MacOS X. In a window using mol, although I've not yet had a _use_ for it. |
| 23:57.33 | benoitc | the problem is I'm on a powerbook |
| 23:57.43 | mattl | benoitc: why is that a problem? |
| 23:58.34 | benoitc | because some hardware things do'nt work yet : dual head, video-out |
| 23:58.46 | mattl | do you use them? |
| 23:58.51 | benoitc | yes |
| 23:59.08 | paulproteus | (Hey mattl!) |
| 23:59.17 | benoitc | from time tto time I need them |
| 23:59.20 | mattl | paulproteus: hey! |
| 23:59.36 | mattl | paulproteus: you stalking me on IRC? ;) |
| 23:59.59 | benoitc | good blog mattl |