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| 02:47.44 | captbob | I just reinstalled debian, but on bootup I get "Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing" and none of my daemons start. I cant find a real start-stop-daemon anywhere |
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| 03:05.39 | blahhhh | anyone know anything about dhcp not working when installing "testing" on an ibook |
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| 03:25.25 | blahhhh | I have my ibook g4 wired to a netgear router that i know is configured correctly, anyone have any idea why dhclient isnt getting an IP address on an ibook when installing testing or stable? |
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| 03:40.44 | danamania | I have a newly acquired g3/233 here OC'd to 300MHz and running well. Using both buses fully would be awesome :) |
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| 04:32.54 | SimonRaven | danamania: ask Bor_Ed is a few hours, or pahartik |
| 04:33.57 | danamania | SimonRaven: I shall - thanks :) |
| 04:34.05 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 04:34.32 | danamania | I need to start putting http://www.danamania.com/temp/grotty.jpg to work sooner or later |
| 04:38.38 | SimonRaven | holy |
| 04:39.57 | SimonRaven | impressive |
| 04:44.39 | XYZZZ | 9600 or 8600? |
| 04:44.46 | XYZZZ | I've got a 9600 and S900 in the closet |
| 04:46.25 | danamania | 9600/300 |
| 04:47.09 | danamania | that 9600, a g3/233, a IIsi and a 9500/180MP are 4 newies from last week |
| 04:47.12 | XYZZZ | ahh, nice. I was "smart" enough to buy a 200MP |
| 04:47.18 | XYZZZ | I could have got the 350 for less |
| 04:47.53 | XYZZZ | So much for Apple's promise for MP support |
| 04:48.54 | XYZZZ | been buying from schools? |
| 04:50.07 | danamania | some - goodwill style stores get a lot of school stuff dumped on them - and a few friends moving house and whittling down their own collections cheaply |
| 04:52.19 | XYZZZ | good stuff |
| 04:52.25 | XYZZZ | my favorite mac is my g5 |
| 04:52.37 | XYZZZ | i don't miss theol days, except for being unable to play amazon trail |
| 04:53.28 | SimonRaven | those old ppcs are like old cars, built to last |
| 04:53.48 | danamania | :). My most often used is the eMac (that's the quickest one I have) - but I do love low-end debian. |
| 04:54.04 | danamania | The IIsi would be a good challenge there |
| 04:54.54 | XYZZZ | emacs are nice |
| 04:55.02 | XYZZZ | those g3 all in ones are very solid |
| 04:55.07 | SimonRaven | only to use and look at ;) |
| 04:55.11 | XYZZZ | w/ the zip and floppys built in |
| 04:56.01 | danamania | yeah! I'd love to import one here someday. It'd be insanely expensive, but probably quicker than finding one of the australian owners ready to give up theirs |
| 04:56.19 | SimonRaven | i was present when an emac was getting serviced... just the fricking hdd and cd/dvd drive took forever. and these two are long-time mac users |
| 04:57.12 | danamania | mine (the last PC133 one) is pretty easy for the CD - but the entire motherboard & cabling has to come apart for the HD. ugh. |
| 04:57.38 | XYZZZ | that blows |
| 04:57.45 | SimonRaven | though take them out of their case, and stick them in an atx case, and some fannage ;) |
| 04:58.22 | SimonRaven | there's some folks that did some case modding and other stuff with the emacs |
| 04:58.27 | danamania | yeah. They're worse than 9500s to get all the way into |
| 04:58.42 | danamania | 9500 being cool -> http://www.danamania.com/temp/9500smp.jpg |
| 04:58.52 | XYZZZ | the S900 has the best case of those old macs i've seen |
| 04:58.57 | XYZZZ | it's much better than the 9600 |
| 04:59.07 | XYZZZ | it takes a while to get used to, but it's an excellent design |
| 04:59.28 | SimonRaven | ooh, that's one old mac i'd like, one of those smp ones |
| 04:59.48 | XYZZZ | they're wicked |
| 05:00.42 | danamania | What kind of applications suit smp well? |
| 05:01.19 | SimonRaven | math intensive, first thing off the top of me head |
| 05:02.26 | XYZZZ | well, the smp support in 9 is not present |
| 05:02.30 | XYZZZ | so, it doesn't do anything |
| 05:03.02 | SimonRaven | *ahem* which channel are you on now ;) |
| 05:03.13 | danamania | perhaps under load it'd keep going where the single would keel over |
| 05:03.28 | SimonRaven | danamania: that's more disk i/o and mem intensive |
| 05:03.56 | SimonRaven | yeh, that would help when you have a lot of requests for pages |
| 05:04.43 | SimonRaven | boost the ram on it to max, give it a decent scsi card, and some fast disks, and that thing will fly |
| 05:05.14 | SimonRaven | afk |
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| 11:52.54 | Corsac | does someone use debian eclipse on ppc ? |
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| 14:33.52 | launch | Hi i compiled a new kernel using the debian way, and ending with the dpkg -i command, but that dont generate a initrd image, i got problem when i reboot, please what to do |
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| 14:47.54 | SimonRaven | @kp mantra |
| 14:48.49 | SimonRaven | @kp mantra |
| 14:48.50 | ravenbird | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 15:05.02 | avdyk | can I use yaboot on oldworld? |
| 15:10.35 | SimonRaven | no |
| 15:11.38 | avdyk | that's what I thought :'( |
| 15:11.49 | avdyk | I goot problems with quik :'( |
| 15:11.55 | avdyk | I got problems with quik :'( |
| 15:19.04 | avdyk | does someone know how to boot on a cdrom with openfirmware 2.4? |
| 15:20.22 | pahartik | avdyk: by using traditional MacOS install media... |
| 15:21.23 | avdyk | pahartik: do you have a link to explain, I don't understand what you mean? Booting on the macos cdrom? that's not what I want |
| 15:21.54 | avdyk | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/02/msg00064.html |
| 15:22.41 | SimonRaven | avdyk: you don't |
| 15:23.29 | SimonRaven | @install guide |
| 15:23.42 | SimonRaven | bot will take a while to respond ... |
| 15:23.49 | avdyk | ;-) |
| 15:24.00 | avdyk | @install guide |
| 15:24.04 | avdyk | oups ;-) |
| 15:24.11 | SimonRaven | load avg on the machine is around 65 ATM |
| 15:25.27 | avdyk | is there a link somewhere to explain that? |
| 15:25.58 | avdyk | do I have to make my own cd image? |
| 15:26.25 | SimonRaven | bascially, www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual/ |
| 15:26.39 | SimonRaven | no, and it will not boot a linux cd. period. |
| 15:27.06 | avdyk | why does netbsd guys can boot there cd? |
| 15:27.13 | avdyk | why does netbsd guys can boot their cd? |
| 15:27.27 | SimonRaven | different os |
| 15:28.05 | avdyk | no kidding ;-) |
| 15:28.21 | SimonRaven | ffs debain is the only one that even tries to install quik. the other ones 'cheat' and go straight to bootx |
| 15:28.25 | SimonRaven | debian even |
| 15:29.03 | avdyk | so: root.img is too big, macos has been erased by my installation and the macos installer does NOT see the hd... what can I do? throw it away? ;-) |
| 15:29.07 | SimonRaven | you could help the kfreebsd folks for porting debian/*bsd to ppc ;) |
| 15:29.21 | SimonRaven | did you see the list posts about that? |
| 15:29.22 | avdyk | hehe ;-) |
| 15:29.35 | avdyk | which post? about kfreebsd? |
| 15:29.45 | SimonRaven | no, root.img being too big |
| 15:29.58 | SimonRaven | debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org |
| 15:30.00 | avdyk | there are two or three threads with root.img |
| 15:30.21 | SimonRaven | is that a daily snapshot? |
| 15:30.24 | avdyk | sven seems to be working on it but he did not send mail about it for several days/weeks |
| 15:30.28 | avdyk | yep |
| 15:30.50 | SimonRaven | he's working on it, no worries there... |
| 15:31.04 | avdyk | yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeah! |
| 15:31.12 | avdyk | it seems it's now 1.3Mb! |
| 15:31.19 | svenl | mmm, fjp mentioned that it is now fied with the 2.6.15 kernels. |
| 15:31.27 | avdyk | I try it everyday, and today seems to be the good one ;-) |
| 15:31.36 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 15:31.40 | avdyk | ok, I'll try to burn these images |
| 15:31.44 | SimonRaven | ls -l it? |
| 15:32.06 | SimonRaven | i'm curious to see how big the image is |
| 15:32.32 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
| 15:32.41 | SimonRaven | i'll go see myself then |
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| 15:34.14 | avdyk | avdyk@gluck:/home/luther/public_html/d-i/images/daily/powerpc/floppy$ ls -l |
| 15:34.14 | avdyk | total 6936 |
| 15:34.14 | avdyk | -rw-r--r-- 1 luther Debian 1474560 Feb 6 15:02 boot.img |
| 15:34.14 | avdyk | -rw-r--r-- 1 luther Debian 1355776 Feb 6 15:02 cd-drivers.img |
| 15:34.14 | avdyk | -rw-r--r-- 1 luther Debian 1384448 Feb 6 15:02 net-drivers.img |
| 15:34.15 | avdyk | -rw-r--r-- 1 luther Debian 1474560 Feb 6 15:02 ofonlyboot.img |
| 15:34.17 | avdyk | -rw-r--r-- 1 luther Debian 1390042 Feb 6 15:03 root.img |
| 15:34.21 | avdyk | \o/ |
| 15:34.48 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 15:36.04 | svenl | yeah, i wonder what really changed. |
| 15:37.50 | avdyk | svenl: = Sven Luther? |
| 15:38.25 | svenl | avdyk: who else ? |
| 15:38.35 | avdyk | a fake! |
| 15:38.36 | avdyk | :-D |
| 15:38.51 | avdyk | svenl: many thanks for all your work on ppc |
| 15:39.07 | svenl | avdyk: no problem. |
| 15:39.50 | avdyk | SimonRaven: thanks ;-) |
| 15:40.17 | avdyk | :( the first disk does not (auto) eject |
| 15:41.31 | avdyk | houraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! |
| 15:41.42 | avdyk | debian-installer is up and running :-D |
| 15:41.42 | SimonRaven | for some reason they haven't since woody, even though i know that the d-i folks made it so it would. though that's true i did see one auto-eject once |
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| 15:42.32 | svenl | avdyk: cool. |
| 15:43.03 | SimonRaven | doesn't matter as long as you have a decent straightened out paper clip ;) |
| 15:43.50 | avdyk | SimonRaven: yep, I got a paper clip ;-) |
| 15:44.53 | avdyk | I'm loading the cd-drivers |
| 15:45.33 | avdyk | I choose the languages but the arabic, hebrew and other non 'ascii' letters did not print in the console |
| 15:45.49 | Bor_Ed | you need to use uxterm instead of xterm |
| 15:46.16 | Bor_Ed | hrm... or load some font that has the chars |
| 15:46.52 | oo0_JeS_0oo | excuse me, a simple question, do you look forward to ppc arquitecture?? |
| 15:47.28 | avdyk | the installer cannot read the drivers :'( |
| 15:47.41 | Bor_Ed | apple was ~3% share of ppc markets so there will be plenty of boards even after apple decided to fsck ppc arch |
| 15:48.02 | svenl | avdyk: the fonts for the non-ascii languages are not included. PLease file an installation report about this. |
| 15:48.08 | avdyk | Bor_Ed: I'm talking about the debian-installer |
| 15:48.37 | avdyk | svenl: It can't load the driver floppies |
| 15:48.39 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: both IBM, mercury and genesi are still producing powerpc hardware, without counting the numerous embedded products. |
| 15:48.42 | Bor_Ed | avdyk: noticed when it was too late |
| 15:48.50 | avdyk | Bor_Ed: ;-) |
| 15:48.53 | Bor_Ed | svenl: ain't mai too? |
| 15:48.55 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: myself will be producing a powerpc-based board for july/september. |
| 15:49.00 | svenl | Bor_Ed: mai is dead. |
| 15:49.05 | Bor_Ed | mmkay |
| 15:49.15 | oo0_JeS_0oo | ? I meant Debian team |
| 15:49.16 | svenl | Bor_Ed: they only produced the articia northbridges, not really boards. |
| 15:49.32 | Bor_Ed | svenl: you'll board will be based on mpc8641d or other nice chip? :) |
| 15:49.35 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: IBM just donated me half of a XServe G5 for example. |
| 15:49.55 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: of course, your work is worth, thank you again, ;·) |
| 15:49.57 | svenl | Bor_Ed: it is an embedded product, i will use hte MPC8349. |
| 15:50.23 | Bor_Ed | aight |
| 15:50.37 | svenl | :s/a/r |
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| 15:50.48 | svenl | Bor_Ed: but then, it is just a wild dream right now :) |
| 15:50.49 | Bor_Ed | naa, no typos in there :) |
| 15:50.54 | svenl | aight ? |
| 15:51.04 | Bor_Ed | svenl: you ain't only one dreaming of own ppc board |
| 15:51.15 | Bor_Ed | don't search the word from dictionaries either :) |
| 15:51.27 | oo0_JeS_0oo | is r300 driver driver going to be stable, one day?? |
| 15:51.56 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: /me was running xorg 6.9-rcsomething on my radeon 9800 Pro AIW in my pegasos box, and it worked just fine. |
| 15:52.56 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I've read some messages in DebianPPC list and it appears to produce some bugs and X becomes unstable? |
| 15:53.34 | svenl | well, it will not stay long. |
| 15:53.35 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: how did you take X install?? |
| 15:53.59 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: back then it was not yet built on powerpc, and i had to rebuild everything and dog. |
| 15:54.02 | svenl | :) |
| 15:54.25 | oo0_JeS_0oo | better? what way do you recommend installing Debian?? |
| 15:54.48 | oo0_JeS_0oo | so? compiling from sources? |
| 15:55.34 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: nope, it should work out of the box. |
| 15:59.13 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: Some months ago I tried to run Xorg 6.9 debian's package under my powerbook but did not succed? |
| 15:59.43 | oo0_JeS_0oo | when launching X, the screen just went black and did nothing |
| 15:59.44 | svenl | well, try it again. |
| 15:59.54 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: what where you running previously. |
| 15:59.57 | oo0_JeS_0oo | no error messages |
| 15:59.58 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: and did you file a bug report ? |
| 16:00.04 | johill | nah, don't, it still has the bug with radeon afaik where benh posted patches |
| 16:00.22 | svenl | johill: ok. |
| 16:00.31 | svenl | johill: where the patches Xorg patches ? |
| 16:00.34 | johill | yes |
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| 16:01.52 | oo0_JeS_0oo | sure, where are the patches? |
| 16:02.04 | johill | essentially the bug is that the radeon memory maps are set up incorrectly |
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| 16:02.36 | svenl | johill: stupid bug. |
| 16:02.44 | svenl | johill: it is not yet fixed in the debian package ? |
| 16:03.09 | johill | http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/radeon-memmap-7.0-2.diff |
| 16:03.15 | johill | http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/radeon-memmap-drm-3.diff |
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| 16:03.21 | svenl | johill: nice. |
| 16:03.23 | svenl | hi otavio. |
| 16:03.25 | johill | svenl: I have to admit I haven't tried in a while |
| 16:03.33 | otavio | is anyone aware of problems in 2.6.16-rc2 ? |
| 16:03.48 | svenl | otavio: not tried yet. |
| 16:03.55 | otavio | svenl: hi! I uploaded Parted yestarday. I hope this is enough to get s390 back to etch |
| 16:04.19 | svenl | otavio: i hear it doesn't build from the kernel folk, and since 2.6.16 will move to ARCH=powerpc for 32bit too ... |
| 16:04.37 | otavio | svenl: I'm using cogito to be aware of current development. It currently freeze just after kernel uncompressing saying: returning from prom_init |
| 16:04.56 | svenl | otavio: ah, what machine ? |
| 16:04.57 | otavio | svenl: it's fixed after rc2 release and current git tree builds again. |
| 16:05.02 | otavio | svenl: a ibook g4 |
| 16:05.03 | svenl | otavio: nice. |
| 16:05.08 | oo0_JeS_0oo | octavio: sure I had problems trying to compile 2.6.16-rcxx? |
| 16:05.10 | svenl | radeonfb is fucked then. |
| 16:05.46 | otavio | svenl: I'm trying to build using old radeonfb driver. I was using the new one but reverted this change in my .config file. |
| 16:06.01 | otavio | oo0_JeS_0oo: are you using today linus tree? |
| 16:06.28 | oo0_JeS_0oo | nop, it was about a week ago? |
| 16:06.48 | otavio | oo0_JeS_0oo: a week ago it failed to link while building the final kernel binary. |
| 16:06.49 | svenl | mmm, no, the fix doesn't seem to have gone in. |
| 16:06.57 | otavio | oo0_JeS_0oo: prep_setup IIRC |
| 16:07.04 | svenl | ok, have to go see you later. |
| 16:07.34 | otavio | svenl: cya! |
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| 22:43.40 | simonrvn | T="Re: [OpenFirmware2.4] Can't boot on cdrom ('loader: unrecognized client program format')" |
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