| 00:09.38 | SimonRaven | no. won't matter. did you enable fbmode at boot? do that, and you're on your way there. then it's a matter of using the proper x driver (ati or radeon, not sure which). the kernel driver is recommended to be kernel built-in, and append="r128fb" or such |
| 00:14.28 | Gnu_man | fbmode? |
| 00:14.39 | SimonRaven | framebuffer mode |
| 00:14.53 | Gnu_man | I thought it had to be direct hardware support. . . |
| 00:15.18 | SimonRaven | it is. i just told you how to do that |
| 00:15.20 | Gnu_man | I'm using the r128 driver for the x server |
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| 00:16.27 | Gnu_man | this append=r128fb is in yaboot? |
| 00:16.46 | Gnu_man | or the xserver config? |
| 00:17.05 | SimonRaven | yes. and use the quotes. oh, i got wrong: append="video=foofb" |
| 00:17.30 | SimonRaven | the former (got lagged) |
| 00:17.41 | Gnu_man | heh, that's OK |
| 00:19.15 | Gnu_man | in the general section, or the image area? |
| 00:20.18 | SimonRaven | image. though IIRC either is ok. i put it in image= so i can play with it if i need |
| 00:22.45 | Gnu_man | OK, I'll be testing that when my kernel finishes compiling. . . |
| 00:23.16 | Gnu_man | adding support for more partition types and fstypes |
| 00:23.46 | Gnu_man | is it bad that I have support for both the Mach 64 and the R128? |
| 00:25.13 | Gnu_man | Also, the video shows up in panther (OSX) and lspci as a Rage Mobility M3 |
| 00:25.37 | Gnu_man | but the r 128 driver works, and glxinfo showes it as such |
| 00:25.59 | Gnu_man | is there a way to double check this? |
| 00:26.23 | Gnu_man | Apples specs show this unit as having the R 128. . |
| 00:32.18 | SimonRaven | nah |
| 00:32.19 | SimonRaven | xdpyinfo, xdriinfo should help |
| 00:32.19 | SimonRaven | glxinfo too |
| 00:32.20 | Gnu_man | glxinfo shows it as the r128 |
| 00:32.29 | Gnu_man | with direct rendering. . . |
| 00:33.13 | SimonRaven | says something like "direct rendering enabled" |
| 00:33.14 | SimonRaven | ? |
| 00:34.14 | Gnu_man | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Rage 128 Mobility 20041026 AGP 1x |
| 00:34.46 | Gnu_man | name of display: :0.0 |
| 00:34.46 | Gnu_man | display: :0 screen: 0 |
| 00:34.46 | Gnu_man | direct rendering: Yes |
| 00:34.47 | SimonRaven | so it's working |
| 00:35.19 | Gnu_man | but it crashes on FlightGear, and I get the noise when I run OpenGL apps |
| 00:35.35 | Gnu_man | perhaps it is not accelerated enough/ |
| 00:35.37 | Gnu_man | ? |
| 00:35.45 | SimonRaven | glxgears isn't a good benchmarking tool. it's more useful for as a game |
| 00:36.20 | SimonRaven | flightgear here runs superslow due to it being a ram hog (have 128 MB on this thing), and the OGL is enabled etc. |
| 00:36.20 | Gnu_man | OK, what would a good benchmarking tool be? |
| 00:36.38 | SimonRaven | ppracer :P |
| 00:37.03 | SimonRaven | planetpenguin-racer or such |
| 00:37.20 | Gnu_man | I have 320MB RAM, and an 80G drive (20G to Linux) |
| 00:38.19 | SimonRaven | that funny thing with the cursor i've always seen. whether it was an ncrapdia card or ati card. |
| 00:42.53 | Gnu_man | hmmmm |
| 00:43.09 | Gnu_man | you running a clamshell? |
| 00:44.49 | SimonRaven | no, but i have had access to various ati cards, and an nvidia card |
| 00:45.01 | Gnu_man | I was thinking perhaps that my vram was corrupt. . . |
| 00:45.25 | Gnu_man | ahhh, so you are on a desktop |
| 00:47.47 | SimonRaven | currently yes |
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| 00:58.13 | Gnu_man | OK, my access to desktops is limited. . . |
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| 01:43.18 | wwpwwp | ---Installation on B&W G3 help --- on second stage booting, the screen stops at "EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode"... what do I do? --- I used the following iso for installation -- debian-31r1a-powerpc-netinst.iso (from www.debian.org)-- |
| 02:16.11 | wwpwwp | anyone there may help? |
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| 03:51.01 | BrianHV | I updated gtk et al, and now gaim, gimp, and eog seg on startup. I suspect it has to do with pixbuf, but I'm not sure... |
| 03:51.18 | BrianHV | I don't see any pixbuf bugs, but I'm not sure that's the source, so where would be the appropriate place to submit a report? |
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| 04:35.19 | SimonRaven | BrianHV: sudo apt-get install reportbug; reportbug <package name> |
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| 05:02.58 | wwpwwp | ---Installation on B&W G3 help --- on second stage booting, the screen stops at "EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode"... what do I do? --- I used the following iso for installation -- debian-31r1a-powerpc-netinst.iso (from www.debian.org)-- any idea? |
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| 11:47.27 | johill | uh, oo0_JeS_0oo, you were interested in benh's radeon patches too iirc |
| 11:47.28 | johill | right? |
| 11:47.31 | johill | he just published new ones |
| 11:47.36 | johill | http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/radeon-memmap-7.0-3.diff |
| 11:47.41 | johill | http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/radeon-memmap-drm-4.diff |
| 11:47.47 | johill | (first against xorg, second against drm) |
| 11:48.57 | oo0_JeS_0oo | of course, thank you for your interest |
| 11:49.32 | johill | I don't really have time to test this right now but if you do please let me know :) |
| 11:49.47 | oo0_JeS_0oo | sure |
| 11:52.17 | johill | did you ever test the previous patches? |
| 11:52.33 | oo0_JeS_0oo | one question, patches are supossed to be aplied to XORG & DRM sources?? |
| 11:52.39 | oo0_JeS_0oo | nop |
| 11:52.55 | oo0_JeS_0oo | As you, I have not time |
| 11:53.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | to try it... |
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| 11:53.31 | johill | yes, the first patch needs to be applied to the xorg sources (7.0) and the second to the radeon drm |
| 11:54.54 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I'll greet you if you could send the URL to XORG sources and DRM sources |
| 11:55.05 | oo0_JeS_0oo | (I am too lazy, :P) |
| 11:55.18 | johill | uh try apt-get source xserver-xorg ;) |
| 11:55.29 | johill | and for drm, well, it's in the kernel :) |
| 11:55.35 | johill | but you can always try without drm first |
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| 11:55.59 | oo0_JeS_0oo | debian's sources?? |
| 11:56.28 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I thought you were about trying xorg native sources... |
| 11:56.57 | johill | the patch ought to apply to debian sources too, don't think debian modifies the radeon driver... |
| 11:58.49 | oo0_JeS_0oo | allright |
| 12:00.27 | johill | oh but maybe it won't work since debian still uses 6.9, no? |
| 12:00.49 | johill | well there shouldn't be much difference so unless benh hacked around the build system it hsould work |
| 12:01.37 | oo0_JeS_0oo | yeah, unstable xserver version is now 6.9 |
| 12:03.22 | Corsac | johill: what are the patches supposed to do ? |
| 12:03.29 | johill | fix radeon on powerbooks |
| 12:03.37 | Corsac | fix ? |
| 12:03.39 | johill | and probably various other machines too |
| 12:03.51 | Corsac | (i have a radeon 9600 in my powerbook and it works) |
| 12:03.54 | johill | yes, xorg hangs when you start it |
| 12:03.55 | Corsac | (i guess) |
| 12:04.03 | Corsac | duh ? |
| 12:04.24 | johill | well I have a powerbook5,6 and xorg 6.9 freezes the system when I start it |
| 12:04.50 | johill | it somewhat depends on the memory maps if I understand correctly, so different models may have different behaviour |
| 12:05.17 | Corsac | i have a 5,6 too |
| 12:05.22 | Corsac | and xorg 6.9 works fine here |
| 12:05.25 | Corsac | with dri working |
| 12:05.53 | Corsac | kernel 2.6.15.2, xorg from debian sid |
| 12:06.02 | johill | heh |
| 12:06.12 | johill | ok so maybe it doesn't work without dri or something |
| 12:07.11 | Corsac | brrr |
| 12:07.17 | Corsac | don't scare me >< |
| 12:07.25 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I am right now compiling a 2.6.16-rc2 from sources... |
| 12:07.52 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: please, send me your kernel config file |
| 12:07.58 | johill | Corsac: I'm not fully aware of all the issues |
| 12:08.12 | johill | Corsac: but I suppose it doesn't work for benh either since he's creating patches to fix it ;) |
| 12:09.07 | Corsac | oo0_JeS_0oo: wait |
| 12:09.29 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I'll tell you... |
| 12:09.45 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I think my powerbook is a 5.6 too |
| 12:09.58 | Corsac | http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/config-2.6.15.2.txt |
| 12:10.27 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I ask you for your config 'cause there is a bug when compiling kernel sources |
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| 12:23.51 | itom | with the kernel 2.6.16-rc2 new Powerbook's sound card work? |
| 12:24.33 | Corsac | there was a mail on the mailing list about that |
| 12:24.33 | Corsac | wait |
| 12:24.50 | johill | yeah but that mail just said that it doesn't work |
| 12:25.14 | Corsac | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/02/msg00096.html |
| 12:25.27 | Corsac | «The beep starts working and I see 2 other outputs in alsamixer,» |
| 12:25.28 | Corsac | :) |
| 12:25.34 | Corsac | hmh |
| 12:25.35 | Corsac | too late |
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| 12:26.09 | itom | ops |
| 12:26.26 | itom | so I've read the kernel changelog, but someone that try it have reported that don't work |
| 12:27.03 | Corsac | itom: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2006/02/msg00096.html |
| 12:30.07 | itom | Corsac, thanks |
| 12:41.12 | oo0_JeS_0oo | there is this error when compiling kernel sources: |
| 12:41.33 | oo0_JeS_0oo | arch/powerpc/platforms/built-in.o: In function `pmac_calibrate_decr': reference to `pmu_register_sleep_notifier' not define |
| 12:41.44 | Corsac | with 2.6.16-rc ? |
| 12:41.45 | oo0_JeS_0oo | make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 |
| 12:41.55 | oo0_JeS_0oo | yes |
| 12:42.08 | Corsac | i havent tried, so i can't tell you |
| 12:42.25 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I will try your kernel config |
| 12:49.44 | oo0_JeS_0oo | johill: any idea of this bug? |
| 12:52.27 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: your kernel configuration is rather good |
| 12:53.21 | Corsac | thanks :) |
| 12:55.06 | oo0_JeS_0oo | but in sound configuration you have disables the OSS secuencer and OSS mixer... |
| 12:55.14 | Corsac | yes |
| 12:55.18 | oo0_JeS_0oo | *disabled, sorry |
| 12:55.27 | Corsac | i don't want to use oss anymore |
| 12:55.28 | Corsac | :p |
| 12:56.16 | oo0_JeS_0oo | so do I |
| 12:56.51 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: do you have any idea of setting up MIDI on a powerbook? |
| 12:57.06 | Corsac | hmh, nop |
| 12:57.16 | Corsac | i assume it's all software ? |
| 12:58.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I found a a kernel option to set up a virtual MIDI card or something like this... |
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| 13:05.15 | johill | yeah do a virtual midi card and timidity |
| 13:05.22 | johill | eh that bug... no idea sorry |
| 13:11.51 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: same error with your config |
| 13:11.57 | Corsac | ok |
| 13:14.22 | TBBle | I find timidty sucks way too much CPU power on a PowerBook. >_< |
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| 13:15.15 | manager | hi |
| 13:16.03 | manager | I've installed kubuntu on my powerbook and I would like to know if debian handle the trackpad better. I've many problems with trackpad... |
| 13:16.12 | johill | well what do you need midi for anyway :P |
| 13:16.13 | oo0_JeS_0oo | TBBle: it easy to change that, anyway |
| 13:16.27 | oo0_JeS_0oo | see "man timidity" |
| 13:16.41 | TBBle | Is it? I tried the various options suggested there for reducing CPU, and it didn't seem to make much difference. |
| 13:17.34 | oo0_JeS_0oo | tell us how did you setup MIDI |
| 13:18.52 | TBBle | Hmm. apt-get instal timidity, turn on the daemon in /etc/default/timidity, aplay -p 128:0 file.mid |
| 13:18.55 | TBBle | aplaymidi rather. |
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| 13:35.54 | oo0_JeS_0oo | -p, not valid option... |
| 13:42.23 | TBBle | 00:18 < TBBle> aplaymidi rather. |
| 13:44.48 | oo0_JeS_0oo | no sound |
| 13:46.48 | TBBle | Got the volume turned up? |
| 13:47.21 | TBBle | Oh, wait. I saw this happen today, actually... Use top, see if timidity's actually using any CPU time. |
| 13:48.17 | oo0_JeS_0oo | yeah |
| 13:49.22 | oo0_JeS_0oo | no |
| 13:50.13 | TBBle | Meh... Try restarting timidity? I didn't figure this problem out, I had to dash out... |
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| 20:27.33 | davidw | uhrm... started getting some nasty looking errors on unstable: |
| 20:29.17 | davidw | http://pastebin.ca/41041 |
| 20:30.21 | davidw | there's definitely something broken:-/ |
| 20:30.45 | davidw | Linux florence 2.6.14-1-powerpc #1 Tue Nov 1 15:42:02 JST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
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| 21:13.41 | SimonRaven | doh |
| 21:13.57 | SimonRaven | paster is already here =) |
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| 22:59.08 | Curtis | hello |
| 22:59.17 | SimonRaven | beige g3 you might well forget about booting from the linux side. the firmware on them a buggier than even 1.0.5 version of open firmware |
| 22:59.53 | Curtis | yes, the firmware is buggy, but I think it'll work |
| 22:59.54 | SimonRaven | unless you are absolutely determined to make it boot from linux; then i'll point you to various resources |
| 23:00.59 | Curtis | I'm curious if the installer will recognize the HFS/HFS+ volume, or should I copy the install files to a linux partition using another computer with linux |
| 23:01.28 | SimonRaven | no, it will. you just need to run the hardware detecion (as the inst. guide says) |
| 23:01.52 | SimonRaven | detection* |
| 23:02.20 | Curtis | ah ok.... I didn't go through the whole thing, but I have installed Debian for x86 a few times |
| 23:04.10 | SimonRaven | not much different from x86; differences are the drivers, and bootloaders - at a basic level. you know to know more though to do it successfully IMO |
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| 23:05.32 | Curtis | I'm just confused why the cd can't be read. If the cd could be read, I could do the install. I know the cd drive is being recognized. Any thought? |
| 23:06.00 | SimonRaven | oh it should be able to read it, just not boot from it |
| 23:07.11 | Curtis | yeah, I'm not trying to boot from it. I'm using BootX and got the kernal and ram disk image from penguinppc.com |
| 23:08.16 | Curtis | I already partitioned and initalized the drive, but I can't read the CD on the mac. I can read it on the PC and if I mount the image with an old version of Toast (while using MAc OS 9.2.2) with no problem. |
| 23:08.27 | Curtis | kernel |
| 23:09.17 | SimonRaven | get the sarge cd; that's an old woody copy |
| 23:09.29 | SimonRaven | @sarge |
| 23:09.30 | ravenbird | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 23:10.53 | Curtis | I've got got 3.1r1 |
| 23:11.24 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
| 23:11.55 | SimonRaven | what happens eactly? does it go "Cannot read your cdrom" in the installer? |
| 23:12.57 | Curtis | I think that's what it is, or a message about it not being mounted |
| 23:14.12 | SimonRaven | yeh... a few have seen that happen - still dunno why, but one of the more recent ones might help (a daily, e.g.) |
| 23:14.15 | Curtis | I just checked it... not mounted successfully |
| 23:14.18 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 23:14.42 | Curtis | so it's somewhat of a common issue? |
| 23:15.11 | SimonRaven | was in a certain cd iso anyway |
| 23:15.41 | SimonRaven | pre-release sarge (mine does that) some others |
| 23:16.00 | SimonRaven | if you want details ask in #debian-boot |
| 23:17.03 | Curtis | The iso I got was from a mirror ftp site and I've only tried the one ISO |
| 23:17.38 | Curtis | I had a similar issue with Ubuntu, but I was using different brand media and figured it was partly that |
| 23:18.01 | SimonRaven | could be. md5sums are useful ;) |
| 23:18.47 | Curtis | heheh... that would be a way to tell |
| 23:19.43 | Curtis | I want to try manually mounting the cdrom, but I'm a but rusty. would the ide cdrom on an old g3 be /dev/hdb ? |
| 23:19.59 | Curtis | I'm thinking not |
| 23:20.44 | Curtis | prehaps /dev/cdrom |
| 23:21.00 | SimonRaven | likely; though if you're in the 2.4 kernel, it'll be under /dev/ide/blah/bleh/wtf/isthis/installer/using/devfs/for/anyway/disc |
| 23:21.45 | SimonRaven | only for 2.4 though, thank $DEITY |
| 23:22.04 | Curtis | :) |
| 23:22.20 | Curtis | I could try the network install |
| 23:24.08 | Curtis | that method seems to be working and I've got decent broadband so I guess I'll go for it |
| 23:25.29 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 23:25.43 | SimonRaven | most people use the netinst |
| 23:25.59 | SimonRaven | i use floppy+netinst |
| 23:26.23 | SimonRaven | boot from floppy; fetch rest of stuff from net |
| 23:26.45 | Curtis | I thought about that, but since I have problems with the cd, netinst will work |
| 23:27.33 | SimonRaven | the floppy drives on most of the old macs are really picky |
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