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| 00:18.53 | jml6 | is installing debianppc really easy since the hardware won't come from many different vendors? apple? |
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| 02:10.12 | SimonRaven | depends |
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| 10:52.09 | rleigh | Hi folks. Is ltrace known to work in unstable? I can't make it trace library calls (though system calls are OK). |
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| 12:36.22 | lixus | i only know strace. you perhaps have to use -f to also included forks ? |
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| 13:59.53 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 14:00.09 | sobersabre | what's world distribution of mac desktops ... i don't need exact figures.. |
| 14:00.16 | sobersabre | estimation |
| 14:00.19 | sobersabre | 10% ? |
| 14:00.21 | sobersabre | 20% ? |
| 14:00.35 | sobersabre | i mean relative to PC. |
| 14:00.54 | sobersabre | (assuming SGI desktops don't take more than 0.5% ) |
| 14:01.04 | lixus | i guess less than 4% |
| 14:01.33 | sobersabre | hmm |
| 14:01.35 | lixus | and again only 2% out of that 4% run linux on their macs |
| 14:02.06 | sobersabre | and what's linux users percentage out of the PC users ? |
| 14:03.17 | lixus | i do not know |
| 14:03.29 | lixus | but check google for browser statistics by OS |
| 14:04.03 | lixus | that will give you a good clue |
| 14:04.23 | sobersabre | hm I will. just, in e.g. Russia, there's not many macs, and not much internet, and many linux users... |
| 14:07.53 | sobersabre | lixus (some blasphemy) ... why a mac user (not a server user) would want to run linux at all ? |
| 14:08.14 | sobersabre | i mean mac os 10 is... quite unix already... |
| 14:08.26 | sobersabre | only for kernel hackers, I guess.. |
| 14:08.59 | lixus | i prefere linux to mac os x on my powerbook |
| 14:09.20 | lixus | but you are right mac os x is very nice but you still have to pay for it |
| 14:09.33 | lixus | ubuntu e.g. is nice as well and it's free |
| 14:09.37 | lixus | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=69&qpnp=12&qpct=4 |
| 14:09.55 | sobersabre | what do you mean, don't you get os 10 with a mac, and it incl. all the updates ? |
| 14:10.01 | sobersabre | do you need to pay more then ? |
| 14:11.00 | _rene_ | free != free |
| 14:11.44 | sobersabre | _rene_ do you mean you're an ideologist ? |
| 14:12.07 | lixus | sobersabre, i run a pb from 2001 that came with 10.2.8 and that is far to old |
| 14:12.28 | _rene_ | sobersabre: yes |
| 14:13.05 | sobersabre | ok ... i don't get the point.. I use linux on a pc. because I don't want to pay for windows, and because for my purposes linux is better. |
| 14:13.59 | sobersabre | but a mac is far better packaged solution, stable blablabla... do you have to pay for os10 updates ? |
| 14:14.17 | lixus | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 |
| 14:14.23 | lixus | mac os share is about 4% |
| 14:15.16 | sobersabre | yep. |
| 14:16.11 | sobersabre | hm. |
| 14:16.12 | _rene_ | sobersabre: sure you have. mac os x is a commercial, partly-proprietary thing. for 10.x -> 10.(x+1) you need to pay |
| 14:16.38 | sobersabre | and do they have 10.x with end of life ? |
| 14:16.46 | sobersabre | i mean with no updates .. ? |
| 14:17.14 | _rene_ | well, you get security updates and updates for 10.x.y |
| 14:17.29 | _rene_ | but nothing more without buying a new full mac os |
| 14:17.46 | sobersabre | seems if they sell you a mac, you cannot put _any_ hardware, yu have a small predefind selection, so there's no worry of hardware incompatibility... right ? |
| 14:19.51 | sobersabre | I am debating about virii. |
| 14:20.02 | sobersabre | the opponent says there's not much viruses |
| 14:20.08 | sobersabre | for linux, ONLY |
| 14:20.16 | sobersabre | because it isn't widespread. |
| 14:20.33 | sobersabre | and I cannot say much, since... I cannot simulate stats :) |
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| 20:02.39 | maxdoubt | anybody there? |
| 20:02.53 | maxdoubt | has anybody had any luck getting xserver-xorg 6.9.0 to work? |
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| 20:24.42 | Q-FUNK | not me |
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| 20:53.01 | SimonRaven | haven't run xorg on ppc recently |
| 20:54.27 | Corsac | here it runs fine |
| 20:54.52 | SimonRaven | ran 6.8.x, ran ok |
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