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| 09:25.44 | koniDebMac | hello there |
| 09:26.13 | koniDebMac | i need some advices about security on debian |
| 09:29.58 | koniDebMac | is there a security expert around here ? |
| 09:30.53 | Corsac | it depends what you mean for "expert", I guess |
| 09:33.57 | johill | also depends what you're talking about in general :) |
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| 10:08.19 | koniDebMac | sorry guys, was afk |
| 10:15.47 | koniDebMac | so, im building a DMZ, i have installed debian on a powermac with 3 ethCards as a firewall (excuse my low english level) |
| 10:16.32 | koniDebMac | ...the network install, then i have disabled all net services, exept sshd |
| 10:16.59 | koniDebMac | "%lsof -i" gives me something like that : |
| 10:17.14 | koniDebMac | dhclient 1569 root 5u IPv4 3014 UDP *:bootpc |
| 10:17.14 | koniDebMac | dhclient 1609 root 5u IPv4 3067 UDP *:bootpc |
| 10:17.14 | koniDebMac | sshd 2113 root 3u IPv6 3880 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) |
| 10:17.55 | koniDebMac | ...and i feel invinsible |
| 10:19.19 | koniDebMac | iptables just allow ssh connexion to the ftpserver (on DMZ) |
| 10:20.53 | koniDebMac | Do you think it's possible to attack the server ? |
| 10:23.09 | koniDebMac | Am i paranoiac or what ? |
| 11:23.09 | SimonRaven | koniDebMac: nothing is invincible. don't delude yourself that way. |
| 11:29.03 | pahartik | koniDebMac: do you run public FTP server? |
| 11:30.43 | KiBi | :) |
| 11:33.14 | pahartik | koniDebMac: if not, why not just use "scp" over SSH and disable FTP daemon... and disable password authentication for SSH on your router/firewall, only accept public/private key authentication |
| 11:35.21 | pahartik | koniDebMac: actually, disable password authentication on all SSH daemons that do not need to accept users from foreign hosts... |
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| 12:08.33 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Has Debian launched an X11R7.0 source package? |
| 12:09.13 | KiBi | Have you checked pdo.debian.net ? |
| 12:09.21 | Rstanley | I edited yaboot.conf to get to my new kernel, but when I reboot, it won't show up. |
| 12:09.23 | KiBi | (temporary replacement for packages.d.o) |
| 12:09.34 | KiBi | Rstanley: man yaboot? :) |
| 12:09.48 | Rstanley | maybe |
| 12:10.00 | KiBi | Rstanley: yaboot behaves (itself?) like lilo, you need to run yaboot to install yaboot.conf where it belongs |
| 12:10.33 | Rstanley | how |
| 12:13.54 | Rstanley | how would I do so. |
| 12:14.01 | oo0_JeS_0oo | KiBi: sure, thanks, :P |
| 12:14.57 | KiBi | Rstanley: Is that a question? In that case, I guess that my previous post already contains the answer. |
| 12:15.19 | Rstanley | man yaboot? |
| 12:15.36 | KiBi | <KiBi> Rstanley: yaboot behaves (itself?) like lilo, you need to run yaboot to install yaboot.conf where it belongs |
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| 14:15.40 | sollust | hello...anyone having trouble w/ the upgrade to xorg 6.9? |
| 14:16.44 | sollust | my upgrade to xorg 6.9 w/ my voodoo3 card prevents X from working. |
| 14:17.39 | KiBi | Hmmm, incompatible proprietary module? |
| 14:17.52 | KiBi | Did you try Driver Vesa for example? |
| 14:17.53 | sollust | well, not that I know of. Haven't had problems before |
| 14:18.04 | sollust | no...but I sure can try |
| 14:20.02 | sollust | well, tdfx is what I've got. No VESA...so I'm going to try FBDEV |
| 14:20.17 | KiBi | 'k. |
| 14:21.09 | sollust | so fbdev seems to work |
| 14:21.30 | KiBi | \o/ |
| 14:21.48 | KiBi | I just know that some proprietary drivers no longer work with newer xorg. |
| 14:22.07 | sollust | I didn't think tdfx was one of them |
| 14:22.27 | KiBi | I only use free ones, thus don't know that perfectly. :p |
| 14:22.49 | sollust | but this isn't optimal, as my colors aren't true |
| 14:23.16 | KiBi | You've got a X session to search the wide (web|bts) for a solution. ;) |
| 14:24.10 | sollust | yup |
| 14:24.46 | sollust | I guess now I can play with the other driver types |
| 14:24.59 | sollust | see what works best , or works, or doesn't work at all |
| 14:25.15 | KiBi | Have fun! :) |
| 14:25.21 | sollust | thanks for your help! |
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| 15:13.07 | koniDebMac | pahartik : FTP Deamon is disable already, you can connect the ftpserver with sftp only |
| 15:37.18 | DelTree | Hi... |
| 15:37.38 | KiBi | 'lo DelTree. ;) |
| 15:37.50 | DelTree | I've a little problem with fink... anyone can help ? |
| 15:38.44 | DelTree | It's fink 0.8.0 and I get "/usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/cc1plus is not executable!" nearly on everything... The file just doesn't exist... |
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| 15:39.41 | KiBi | DelTree: Just install it? |
| 15:39.49 | DelTree | install what ? |
| 15:39.59 | KiBi | cc/gcc/sth like that. |
| 15:40.08 | KiBi | Got that a long time ago, when I was using fink ;) |
| 15:40.13 | DelTree | where ? |
| 15:40.18 | KiBi | And a simple package was missing, AFAIR. |
| 15:40.28 | KiBi | On my ppc box? |
| 15:40.30 | DelTree | I'm pretty stupid on mac... |
| 15:40.32 | themp | anyone know the old world firmware ? |
| 15:40.51 | themp | i been working with a good system on an 8600/300 |
| 15:42.01 | themp | but I would like to see the kernel boot or have it stop at a prompt for 20 seconds. all I have is the penguin which makes this box hard to use in production. X works fine. |
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| 15:42.49 | themp | i had to take out append="video=ofonly" to make it work but te monitor I am testing on is a vga |
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| 15:52.13 | DelTree | looks like I need to install something from the OSX... :/ |
| 15:52.56 | KiBi | DelTree: gcc is on the installation DVDs, IIRC. |
| 15:53.04 | johill | does anyone know how to set the audio card in gnome? |
| 15:53.14 | KiBi | I guess I found some needed packages on the DVDs, but don't remember well. |
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| 16:03.55 | DelTree | KiBi: that's what I found googling... if I understood correctly... but I don't have the DVD right now... |
| 16:04.21 | KiBi | DelTree: Too bad, I won't have them handy before monday :/ |
| 16:05.39 | DelTree | KiBi: I'll just have to wait 'till I'm back from WE... |
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| 18:12.12 | OfficeChair | I want Times New Roman on my Debian PPC ibook. |
| 18:14.02 | johill | sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 18:14.25 | OfficeChair | johill, thank you. |
| 18:14.41 | OfficeChair | Now I don't need Mac OS 10 Tiger. |
| 18:16.19 | OfficeChair | I ran Debian PPC last on a 1.25 GHz G4 Mac Mini. Shouldn't be any problem on a dual USB (white) 700 MHz G3 ibook, right? |
| 18:17.14 | OfficeChair | My biggest worry is support for the PMU. |
| 18:18.13 | johill | no idea |
| 18:19.32 | OfficeChair | I wish I could install Windows 98 SE on my ibook. :( |
| 18:20.02 | OfficeChair | *sigh*, icewm with the Win 95 theme in Debian PPC will be close enough. :) |
| 18:24.13 | OfficeChair | Compared to Linux and Windows 98 SE, my new ibook's default operating system feels like I am not acquainted with the Mac's. |
| 18:30.01 | astrum-x | hey who has a guide for the oldworld macs with workarounds for quik on the installation? |
| 18:35.48 | OfficeChair | On oldworld Macs (unlike my newworld ibook 700 MHz G3) you have to boot Linux from MacOS Classic don't you? |
| 18:36.25 | astrum-x | you do |
| 18:36.31 | OfficeChair | After I get my Powerbook G3 II's backlight replaced, I'm going to try Debian on it as well. |
| 18:36.32 | astrum-x | but there is a program called quik |
| 18:36.45 | astrum-x | that gives firmware a boot loader |
| 18:36.45 | OfficeChair | Quik? |
| 18:36.50 | astrum-x | but it doesn't work well |
| 18:36.56 | OfficeChair | Hmm. |
| 18:36.57 | astrum-x | and this is supposed to be a production server |
| 18:37.10 | astrum-x | and having to boot mac os to boot linux isn't a very good thing to have to do |
| 18:37.21 | OfficeChair | Production server via oldworld Mac hardware? |
| 18:37.59 | astrum-x | yeah |
| 18:38.01 | OfficeChair | Just make sure you don't alow HTTP referrals from slashdot.org. ;) |
| 18:38.08 | astrum-x | lol i won't :) |
| 18:38.15 | astrum-x | it is for a small business only 11 people |
| 18:38.27 | astrum-x | and it needs to handle linux apache mysql, php,perl,phython |
| 18:38.39 | astrum-x | which is good enough because we only get 45 at max hits a day |
| 18:39.39 | OfficeChair | The last time I did anything with oldworld hardware, it was a Performa 575 with a 33 MHz 68k CPU. I ran Mac OS 8 and ran some program (can't remember the name) to bootstrap NetBSD from inside Mac OS 8. |
| 18:40.24 | astrum-x | i heard netbsd is easy to do |
| 18:40.30 | astrum-x | but i am not familiar with netbsd |
| 18:40.35 | astrum-x | so setting up a webserver would be hard |
| 18:40.48 | OfficeChair | The Performa 575 had no FPU, and FPU emulation was unstable. I was lucky to get vi to run long enough to edit a file without seg faulting. |
| 18:41.00 | OfficeChair | NetBSD is easy. |
| 18:41.13 | OfficeChair | Just install pkgsrc. :) |
| 18:41.31 | astrum-x | is that binaries like debian? |
| 18:41.41 | astrum-x | but i don't understand the rc files in bsd |
| 18:41.49 | astrum-x | how to start and stop daemons |
| 18:41.57 | astrum-x | and security is something i'm not familiar with |
| 18:41.59 | OfficeChair | No, source. But you can get binary packages. |
| 18:42.22 | OfficeChair | What type of Mac? 603e PowerPC? |
| 18:42.25 | astrum-x | i use gentoo on a number on things, but i don't have the time or patience to compile my entire os for a server |
| 18:42.29 | astrum-x | i'll be way behind schedule |
| 18:43.34 | astrum-x | so is it just |
| 18:43.40 | astrum-x | pkg_add like in obsd and fbsd? |
| 18:43.43 | OfficeChair | It would be more cost effective to give them an old desktop PC (Pentium III ones are almost free around here). |
| 18:43.49 | astrum-x | cause my router is obsd and i was lucky enough to do that |
| 18:43.51 | OfficeChair | Yeah. |
| 18:44.15 | OfficeChair | NetBSD is a lot like OpenBSD, because OpenBSD is a fork of NetBSD. |
| 18:44.19 | astrum-x | the real feat is going to be getting sun java messanging server to work |
| 18:44.30 | astrum-x | ohh it is, i thought obsd was a fork of freebsd |
| 18:44.34 | OfficeChair | If you can deal with OpenBSD, NetBSD is no more difficult. |
| 18:44.41 | OfficeChair | Nah. |
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| 18:48.36 | OfficeChair | Hmm, never messed with that. |
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| 18:59.26 | astrum-x | hmm |
| 18:59.36 | astrum-x | the guide is telling me something, but i am not sure what |
| 19:26.08 | OfficeChair | ibook is fixed. :) |
| 19:26.48 | OfficeChair | UPS dropped off my ibook I bought off eBay at my neighbor's house. |
| 19:27.37 | OfficeChair | My neighbor was kind enough throw the poorly-packed ibook at my door, grr. |
| 19:28.35 | OfficeChair | Good thing I have a lot of powerbook and ibook parts around here. |
| 19:30.01 | OfficeChair | Replaced the CD-RW/DVD combo drive, that was the only thing I think really got damaged. |
| 19:30.03 | OfficeChair | Funny thing is the LCD looks "uneven." |
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| 19:47.10 | astra-x | can you install an oldworld mac bootloader to a floppy or zip drive? |
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| 20:50.47 | OfficeChair | My ibook is getting very hot. :| |
| 20:51.46 | OfficeChair | astra-x: If there is enough space. |
| 20:52.07 | astra-x | how do i go about that |
| 20:53.12 | OfficeChair | Well, you have an oldworld Mac, which means your system relies heavily on the toolbox. |
| 20:53.40 | OfficeChair | Your openfirmware doesn't do much more than probe for PCI devices and then use the toolbox to boot. |
| 20:53.58 | OfficeChair | I think there is a way to trick the toolbox into booting a kernel without Mac OS. |
| 20:54.23 | OfficeChair | Linux install floppies for old world macppc use it IIRC. |
| 20:55.07 | OfficeChair | Or you could get Mac OS 8.6 or something to boot off a ZIP disk, then load Linux from there. |
| 20:56.48 | OfficeChair | New World Macs have an open firmware that is implemented fully enough that the toolbox isn't even needed on the ROM (it is on the disk). |
| 20:57.07 | astra-x | i've given up on turning this mac into a debian server |
| 20:57.15 | astra-x | i am going to use solaris on some x86 stuff |
| 20:57.23 | OfficeChair | What kind of Mac is it? |
| 20:57.33 | OfficeChair | Yeah, that would be more cost effective. |
| 20:57.58 | astra-x | it is a beige power g3 |
| 20:58.04 | astra-x | but it has the 1 meg cache |
| 20:58.09 | astra-x | and the scsi channel |
| 20:58.12 | OfficeChair | :) |
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| 20:59.15 | astra-x | it'd be great for a light server |
| 20:59.24 | OfficeChair | I'm going to get my Wallstreet G3 powerbook running NetBSD some time. It is an old world Mac though, so I'll probably need to boot NetBSD from within Mac OS. :( |
| 20:59.27 | astra-x | isn't there a way to trick mac os 10.2 on those |
| 20:59.40 | OfficeChair | XPostFacto. |
| 21:00.31 | OfficeChair | But often hardware support sucks when you try to run Mac OS X on an old Mac. |
| 21:01.05 | OfficeChair | I think my 233 MHz G3 Wallstreet is well supported though. |
| 21:01.19 | OfficeChair | After I replace the backlight. |
| 21:47.16 | DJSpike | astra-x: i've seen there is a quite new bootloader disk for linux on oldworld macs, called "emile", i haven't tried it on my beige yet, but it may be useful to me |
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| 23:16.45 | alucard | hello |
| 23:17.15 | alucard | 3d acceleration work with debian |
| 23:17.29 | Corsac | well, yes |
| 23:17.35 | alucard | i have an ibook g4 |
| 23:17.39 | Corsac | nvidia ? |
| 23:17.42 | alucard | ati |
| 23:18.17 | Corsac | which one ? |
| 23:18.35 | alucard | fglrx driver is only for x86... |
| 23:18.41 | oo0_JeS_0oo | there r300 works rather good, except the Desktop, |
| 23:19.16 | alucard | ati 9200 |
| 23:19.19 | alucard | radeon |
| 23:19.36 | oo0_JeS_0oo | quickly it gets dirty, any idea to solve this? |
| 23:21.27 | alucard | debian repository unstable have only fglrx-driver for x86 |
| 23:22.54 | Corsac | free driver works great |
| 23:22.58 | Corsac | with dri etc.. |
| 23:23.14 | alucard | free??? |
| 23:24.05 | alucard | exist free driver? |
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| 23:25.16 | Corsac | in kernel, yes |
| 23:25.24 | Corsac | i don't use fglrx |
| 23:25.33 | alucard | radeon driver?? |
| 23:25.37 | Corsac | yes |
| 23:25.52 | alucard | with 3d acceleration??? what? |
| 23:26.31 | OfficeChair | I can't find msttcorefonts |
| 23:27.12 | Corsac | alucard: CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m |
| 23:27.26 | Corsac | and install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 23:27.27 | OfficeChair | Can I have msttcorefonts in Sarge? |
| 23:42.23 | OfficeChair | Why not? |
| 23:42.55 | johill | Corsac: does that have r300 now? |
| 23:43.41 | johill | oi. I see it does |
| 23:43.42 | johill | cool |
| 23:45.40 | OfficeChair | My ibook resumes from being suspended to memory faster than my Thinkpads or Toshiba laptops. :| |
| 23:46.09 | johill | so what are you trying to tell us? that we made the right choice? :) |
| 23:46.43 | OfficeChair | What choice? |
| 23:46.57 | Corsac | my acer never went to suspend to ram |
| 23:47.30 | OfficeChair | I simply bought ten laptops off ebay, and kept the one that was most compatible with Linux and resold the others on ebay. |
| 23:47.53 | Corsac | :| |
| 23:47.54 | OfficeChair | The 700 MHz G3 iBook with 256 MB of RAM is most compatible of all. |
| 23:48.10 | OfficeChair | Everything works, and battery life is good. |
| 23:48.36 | OfficeChair | One of the Thinkpads was close though. But resuming from suspend was slow. |
| 23:49.37 | OfficeChair | Ebay is great for finding the right laptop. :) |
| 23:49.57 | OfficeChair | It's like a store that likes you take home laptops and try them for a week. :) |
| 23:50.53 | Corsac | how much does it cost, eventually ? |
| 23:51.17 | OfficeChair | I spend a little under $2000 USD (about 1800 something) |
| 23:52.09 | Corsac | with the ones you sell ? |
| 23:52.36 | OfficeChair | Because of shipping, I lost about $200 USD doing this (after selling the nine I don't want). But it is worth finding the ultimate Linux laptop (which is my dual USB white ibook).) :) |
| 23:53.05 | OfficeChair | Toshiba, two Thinkpads, a Dell, some Armadas |
| 23:53.26 | Corsac | but, in the end, how much this ibook cost you ? |
| 23:53.42 | OfficeChair | $496 USD with shippinh |
| 23:54.02 | Corsac | ok |
| 23:54.54 | OfficeChair | If you want to include the $200 USD loss on the other nine I had to sell, then about $700 USD. |