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| 10:30.37 | Corsac | johill: \o/ |
| 10:33.06 | johill | morning :) |
| 10:33.24 | Corsac | moing :) |
| 10:33.39 | johill | apple changed the touchpads again :/ |
| 10:33.47 | johill | on the macbook, it's a geyser 3 |
| 10:34.10 | johill | and probably thanks to the crappy bios they actually report a mouse via usb |
| 10:34.29 | johill | which sucks because the 'mouse' implemntation they put into hardware (the thing that makes positional values from the sensors values) is crappy |
| 10:34.40 | johill | and the sensor values aren't returned without reprogramming it |
| 10:34.45 | Corsac | you have a macbook ? |
| 10:35.01 | johill | no, I was just going to say that I'm lucky to not have one ;) |
| 10:35.10 | johill | but Alex Harper wrote me about this |
| 10:35.18 | johill | [he writes some osx stuff for trackpads] |
| 10:35.54 | Corsac | ok |
| 10:36.18 | johill | and I suppose Edgar Hucek will want to know |
| 10:36.21 | Corsac | people are already trying to install linux on it ? |
| 10:36.28 | johill | he's the guy porting linux to the macbook |
| 10:36.34 | Corsac | oki |
| 10:36.36 | johill | it's actually running already |
| 10:36.40 | Corsac | arf |
| 10:36.51 | johill | except for, I guess, the trackpad ;) |
| 10:36.54 | johill | and probably some other things too |
| 10:37.03 | johill | but the wireless is just a newer broadcom chipset too |
| 10:37.37 | Corsac | so bcm43xx should work for it ? |
| 10:37.51 | johill | well, not yet |
| 10:37.59 | johill | it has a different connector chip apparently |
| 10:38.11 | johill | but I'm not going to disassemble x86 code. yuck. |
| 10:38.12 | Corsac | ok |
| 10:38.14 | Corsac | aha |
| 10:38.52 | johill | however, the new driver will probably sooner or later show up on osx/ppc too |
| 10:39.06 | johill | since broadcom has these large all-in-one drivers |
| 10:39.26 | johill | (yes, you can even run your airport extreme in AP mode under OSX) |
| 10:39.27 | Corsac | ah, so you'll have ppc code to decompile :) |
| 10:39.34 | Corsac | heh ? |
| 10:39.47 | johill | it's the same driver as in the small linksys access points |
| 10:39.48 | Corsac | with *broadcom* drivers ? |
| 10:39.54 | johill | yes |
| 10:40.06 | Corsac | (yes i have a wrt54g but it's arm inthere, isn't it ?) |
| 10:40.13 | johill | mips |
| 10:40.17 | Corsac | you just need to activate some stuff ? |
| 10:40.23 | johill | yeah |
| 10:40.27 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/Broadcom_ioctls_under_OSX |
| 10:40.29 | Corsac | great :) |
| 10:41.00 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/Broadcom_ioctls_under_OSX/implemented_commands |
| 10:41.04 | johill | -> that's what you can do |
| 10:41.07 | Corsac | ok |
| 10:41.21 | Corsac | and there will be an AP mode for bcm43xx one day you think ? |
| 10:41.27 | Corsac | (and what about ad-hoc ?) |
| 10:41.34 | johill | sure |
| 10:41.46 | johill | once we get the linux wireless stack sorted out |
| 10:41.53 | johill | after the wireless conference in April ;) |
| 10:42.04 | Corsac | :) |
| 10:42.18 | Corsac | it's the stack role, not the driver's one ? |
| 10:42.33 | johill | well yeah, since the hardware does nothing about it |
| 10:42.41 | johill | except some minor helper things like sending beacons |
| 10:42.44 | Corsac | (it means that every card using kernel stack could have ap/adhoc mode easily ?) |
| 10:42.48 | johill | no |
| 10:42.59 | johill | ipw2x00 won't for example since there the hardware handles the management |
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| 10:43.27 | johill | see, it depends on how smart the chip is. broadcom's chip is pretty dumb so we can do everythign with it ;) |
| 10:43.40 | johill | intel's chips are smart so they need different firmware for a lot of things |
| 10:44.02 | Corsac | ok |
| 10:44.11 | johill | (now, I think Broadcom has a point there, for small updates updating the software is far easier, and the timing related things are in their chips) |
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| 10:49.18 | johill | does anyone know of a daemon that *just* listens to key events like pbbuttonsd? |
| 10:49.36 | johill | pbbuttonsd doesn't like running on my powermac for obvious reasons (no PMU etc) |
| 10:49.44 | johill | but I still have an eject key |
| 10:50.31 | Corsac | mine isn't working |
| 10:50.36 | Corsac | (you can try evdev ?) |
| 10:51.22 | johill | what isn't working? |
| 10:51.48 | johill | I'm pretty sure it's going to show up in evdev |
| 10:52.01 | Corsac | my eject key |
| 10:52.03 | johill | and I can trivially write a small daemon to listen and invoke eject(1) |
| 10:52.05 | johill | but... :) |
| 10:52.09 | johill | Corsac: on what machine? |
| 10:52.24 | Corsac | powerbook |
| 10:52.27 | Corsac | 5,6 |
| 10:52.31 | Corsac | but, hmmh |
| 10:52.45 | Corsac | last time i tried, it didn't shows up in evdev and xev |
| 10:52.47 | johill | on those it's a different evdev device, and I think pbbuttonsd has a bug now or something |
| 10:52.57 | Corsac | now it's ok, keycode 204 in xev |
| 10:53.09 | johill | yeah here too |
| 10:53.12 | johill | ok different question |
| 10:53.19 | johill | how do I dump the open firmware and decompile it? ;) |
| 10:53.26 | Corsac | hmhm |
| 10:53.28 | Corsac | :| |
| 10:54.04 | Corsac | i guess nvsetenv isn't sufficient ? |
| 10:54.45 | johill | I want to check out some other things :) |
| 10:55.57 | johill | well. gotta go |
| 10:55.58 | johill | cu |
| 10:56.30 | Corsac | cu |
| 11:15.21 | johill | found it |
| 11:15.26 | johill | well. gotta catch my train :) |
| 11:16.24 | Corsac | :) |
| 11:17.55 | Corsac | :q |
| 11:17.56 | Corsac | gngn |
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| 11:47.22 | Corsac | mpf, showkey shows keycode 0 for eject key :/ |
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| 12:12.40 | zlost1 | hey guys anyone awake |
| 12:13.07 | zlost1 | im having a problem booting any cds at all |
| 12:13.38 | zlost1 | ive tried holding c and appl c and option c |
| 12:14.18 | zlost1 | ive also tried using startup disk in osx |
| 12:14.40 | zlost1 | im using a blue and white g3 450 |
| 12:16.38 | pahartik | zlost1: CD-ROM device is broken? |
| 12:17.02 | zlost1 | no i use it in osx just fine |
| 12:17.11 | zlost1 | its a dvdrom burner |
| 12:17.28 | zlost1 | heres the interesting points |
| 12:17.41 | zlost1 | its ide and the hdd is scsi wide |
| 12:18.42 | zlost1 | of says default boot device is ide 0 but mentions nothing about a cdrom |
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| 12:23.00 | zlost1 | i cant get setenv to work either |
| 12:23.02 | pahartik | zlost1: was that device ever bootable on that workstation? |
| 12:23.31 | zlost1 | it was at one point. i changed the cdrom to a dvd burner |
| 12:23.38 | zlost1 | hasnt booted to it since |
| 12:23.43 | zlost1 | but both are ide |
| 12:24.34 | pahartik | zlost1: CD-ROM device was bootable, but if you changed it... it is not same device :) |
| 12:24.48 | zlost1 | correct |
| 12:24.52 | zlost1 | i guess |
| 12:25.13 | zlost1 | can i simply zap the pram ? |
| 12:25.24 | pahartik | zlost1: so I assume DVD-ROM device was probably never bootable... |
| 12:25.33 | zlost1 | yes |
| 12:25.36 | zlost1 | i guess |
| 12:25.41 | zlost1 | i never had to bot to it |
| 12:25.54 | pahartik | zlost1: I do not think it hurts to try "zapping PRAM" |
| 12:26.29 | zlost1 | ctrl opt p r ? |
| 12:28.57 | pahartik | zlost1: <Command>-<Option>-P-R |
| 12:29.50 | zlost1 | comman being the apple key correct |
| 12:30.36 | pahartik | zlost1: <Command> is located between <Option> and <Space> |
| 12:32.04 | zlost1 | thanks so far |
| 12:33.22 | zlost1 | is it command c option c or just c to boot cd ? |
| 12:34.29 | pahartik | zlost1: just "C" |
| 12:35.04 | zlost1 | im begining to think this dvd no matter how good it works isnt goignt to boot |
| 12:37.17 | zlost1 | nope nothing |
| 12:37.33 | zlost1 | tried with boot disk and with c |
| 12:37.52 | zlost1 | and the cd is a factory made os 9 cd |
| 12:38.42 | pahartik | zlost1: if CD-ROM drive is still functional, put it back for booting and installing? |
| 12:39.06 | zlost1 | so my choices now are bootx and or the old cdrom ? |
| 12:39.21 | zlost1 | got ya |
| 12:39.22 | zlost1 | brb |
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| 13:07.55 | zlost1 | that was definately the problem |
| 13:08.00 | zlost1 | thank you sir |
| 13:08.12 | zlost1 | si there be penguins here ! |
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| 14:17.44 | elesouef | Hi all, I have an old powerbook G3 (250MHz, 160Mo RAM). The CD is not bootable (I know, read topic). What do you suggest in order to install debian on it ? |
| 14:26.09 | pahartik | elesouef: "BootX" |
| 14:28.36 | elesouef | is it sort of a preboot program ? |
| 14:28.57 | pahartik | elesouef: it boots Linux from traditional MacOS |
| 14:29.27 | elesouef | pahartik: ok, but debian is not already installed. Can it boot a CD ? |
| 14:30.24 | pahartik | elesouef: one needs kernel and ramdisk image to boot installer |
| 14:31.50 | elesouef | pahartik: mhhh, excuse my bad english but I don't quite understand what you mean ? (sorry) |
| 14:35.00 | pahartik | elesouef: in Debian archive mirror, "/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/cdrom/vmlinux" for kernel image, "/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/cdrom/initrd.gz" for ramdisk image |
| 14:35.23 | elesouef | pahartik: ok, I see ! Thank you I'll try. |
| 14:35.29 | pahartik | elesouef: ...assuming that you want to install from CD and not network... |
| 14:36.00 | elesouef | in fact I downloaded a netinstall CD. (I'm used to it on i386 architecture) |
| 14:38.38 | pahartik | elesouef: in that case, look at relevant files at "/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/" instead |
| 14:39.06 | elesouef | okay :) |
| 14:52.01 | elesouef | pahartik: wow, works great. I have to tweak some parameters on bootx... Unable to mount root fs... |
| 14:53.29 | elesouef | oops, CD Rom is hdc not hdb... |
| 15:04.59 | elesouef | well, it refuses to boot on CD... |
| 15:05.36 | elesouef | Do I have to set the root device to /dev/hdc in bootx ? I suppose so but... |
| 15:07.27 | pahartik | elesouef: for booting Debian installer, no... to boot installer you need to define ramdisk image on another dialog of BootX |
| 15:13.02 | elesouef | do you have an example ? |
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| 15:14.41 | elesouef | forget it, I found :) |
| 15:53.08 | pahartik | elesouef: you got installer started? |
| 15:53.17 | elesouef | yes :) |
| 15:53.22 | elesouef | currently installing. |
| 15:53.45 | elesouef | I think I'll fill a bug report... |
| 15:55.28 | elesouef | In fact : the bootloader (don't rember the name) refused to install itself as partman put the / partition on ext3 (which-is-good). Had to restart from the begining with an ext2 / part. |
| 15:55.49 | pahartik | elesouef: if you want to try booting without MacOS and BootX, "/" needs to be "ext2" filesystem... or at least "/boot/" needs to be that but in that case you need to install boot loader ("quik") manually within installer |
| 15:57.09 | pahartik | elesouef: I have installed separate "/boot/" ext2fs and "/" ext3fs... tricky but worth it... |
| 15:57.18 | elesouef | in fact, I used bootx only to boot the installer, I don't have macOS anymore ;) |
| 15:57.40 | elesouef | yep. Thought about it afterward... |
| 15:57.45 | pahartik | elesouef: and that is only useful if "quik" works on your workstation |
| 15:58.19 | elesouef | pahartik: I will tell it to you in 10-15min :) |
| 16:01.30 | elesouef | mhhh, is quik mandatory ? |
| 16:04.37 | elesouef | well, pahartik black screen at boot... |
| 16:12.34 | pahartik | elesouef: sounds like OpenFirmware is waiting for your interaction with console at serial port |
| 16:13.28 | elesouef | huh. |
| 16:13.37 | elesouef | unusual :) |
| 16:16.54 | Q-FUNK | not really |
| 16:17.03 | Q-FUNK | common on old hardware |
| 16:18.19 | elesouef | Q-FUNK: what should I do ? |
| 16:18.35 | Q-FUNK | connect a terminal to the serial port |
| 16:19.27 | elesouef | Mmmhh, must find my USB Serial emulator first... |
| 16:19.35 | elesouef | hard... |
| 16:20.45 | elesouef | And by the way... This G3 laptop don't seem to have a serial port... |
| 16:29.43 | Q-FUNK | oh. laptop |
| 16:29.55 | elesouef | yep, powerbook G3 |
| 16:34.20 | pahartik | elesouef: it does have, if it is workstation described in: "http://www.lowendmac.com/pb2/g3.shtml" |
| 16:36.32 | elesouef | pahartik: seems it is this model. but my screen is a 14" I think. |
| 16:36.41 | pahartik | elesouef: all PowerMacintosh workstations had one or two serial ports, before it was dropped in favour of USB |
| 16:37.01 | elesouef | well... ok, I see it.... |
| 16:37.13 | elesouef | but I don't have such cables... |
| 16:45.15 | pahartik | elesouef: without looking at serial console, I do not know what to do |
| 16:47.00 | elesouef | damn... |
| 16:47.08 | elesouef | and the power off button is inactive... |
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| 17:22.17 | Mayoral | anyone has successfuly booted a netinst cd on a powermac12,1 ? |
| 17:29.01 | elesouef | Mayoral: I don't have such powermac. |
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| 18:35.08 | Burbas | I have just installed Debian netinstall on my iBook 12" 1.33Ghz, but my mouse isnt working. Does someone know whats wrong? |
| 18:37.12 | Corsac | touchpad you mean? |
| 18:37.24 | Burbas | yes |
| 18:37.39 | Corsac | which kernel do you have ? |
| 18:39.12 | Burbas | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 18:41.49 | Corsac | try a recent kernel |
| 18:41.54 | Corsac | (at least 2.6.12) |
| 18:42.00 | Corsac | there is an appletouch module |
| 18:42.05 | Burbas | okay :) |
| 18:42.13 | Burbas | can I use apt-get for this? |
| 18:43.02 | Corsac | hmh |
| 18:43.12 | Corsac | you want to stick with sarge ? |
| 18:43.53 | Burbas | yes |
| 18:44.17 | Corsac | maybe you could try backports.org |
| 18:44.26 | Corsac | or only install the kernel from testing |
| 18:45.28 | elesouef | Anyone has got an answer for my stuck powerbook g3 (blank screen at boot time) ? |
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| 18:46.40 | Burbas | What other kernel could I use? |
| 18:54.24 | pahartik | Burbas: you could configure and build your own kernel binary package from latest sources |
| 18:56.06 | pahartik | elesouef: install traditional MacOS and Linux, use BootX to it boot until you manage to get "quik" and OpenFirmware set up properly... |
| 18:57.55 | elesouef | pahartik: to late... |
| 18:58.09 | elesouef | I'll have to find a MacOS9 CD... |
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| 21:24.53 | p8r_ | hi, got blender crashing on my pismo installed via apt, is this only with me? |
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| 22:06.40 | mooch | any ideas why this can be? |
| 22:06.40 | mooch | Module doesn't contain .plt or .init.plt sections. |
| 22:06.47 | mooch | FATAL: Error inserting bcm43xx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-rc4/kernel/net/ieee80211/bcm43xx.ko): Invalid module format |
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